Calm Down, And Read It.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Originally Posted by Bobbi

A short story that may help. Although I was raised in a very structured religious environment, family circumstances were such that I didn't actually start to read the bible with any understanding until I was 15 years old. By that time I had been thoroughly enthralled with science fiction. Almost immediately upon reading the bible in study groups, it hit me! The bible, to me, was a very good science fiction novel. I had very big issues with religion (all) because of the blatant hyprocrisy I found everywhere and in everyone I met - including those in our church.

At 19 I threw the baby out with the bath water and refused to have anything further to do with churches, religion, spirituality, whatever title fit. I forbid any religious material in my home or around my children, other than the exposure to their grandmother. One day my five year old daughter asked me this question after visiting with my mother. "If God created man, who created God?" My response was "That's a very good question. I don't have the answer, but this is what I believe. We are here on earth as a science project, a laboratory experiment. We are being monitored and tested, just like a lab rat - tested to see what abilities are inherent in all creatures. I don't know who started it all but I believe there is a higher power, I don't know his name, I don't know where he came from, I don't know why he's doing this, but until I do, I'm not going to drop to my knees and 'worship' him. Let's just wait and see what happens."

I have based my entire life on one scripture from the Bible that I felt was the most important to me and would, in the end, allow my heart to be read for the person that I am. Jesus once said that whenever you give to the least of my brothers, you are giving to me. Therefore, everyone - and I do mean everyone - has been treated as a decent person - UNTIL they prove otherwise.

Decades passed and a few tribulations later and a few more tests and I met my husband, who opened up the floodgates. NOW I knew the "Why". I had always believed in aliens since I was a child. I just never put it together with the bible. WHAT AN EYE OPENER!!!!!!!! I'm still catching my breath, but what I can tell you is that a new peace has settled within me since that time. I now know I have a job to do and when the time comes, I will gladly oblige.

Nice story Bobby and I never realised, you are Norval's lady, what a lucky guy!

[Norval]

Yes, she is quite the gal, well, she puts up with me anyway.

Her allergy to BS helps alot in our research.

[Gale]

This information and knowledge does restore ones sanity in an insane world.
Whereas, lies breed confusion, confusion breeds insanity.

I have to say; Bobbi has a good heart and is a good person, I am very thankful for her help with this research.
The kids and I, with my daughter’s boyfriend Evan that has Cerebral Palsy, the result of multiple births, went camping for a weekend in July of 2007 with Bobbi and Norval at Friday Harbor. Last Christmas, the kids and I visited Bobbi and Norval on the boat and was fortunate to be there for their marriage.

Originally Posted by Norval

Yes, she is quite the gal, well, she puts up with me anyway.

Her allergy to BS helps alot in our research.

Yes, I FULLY understand your first statement Norval.
(and the second one too...hehe)

What little I know of your lovely Bride is this: She 'salts' her words.
She speaks when she has something to say. I admire people that can do that.
This tells me Bobbi is thinking before leaping.
To find a spouse that 'works with you' is rare indeed.
Love is Work. No getting around that. It took me most of my 25+ years married to Mrs Dood to finally understand/grok that.

Now that doesn't mean Mrs Dood does not call ME out on my BS. haha!
However, we have learned to love one another even with our differences.
Learning to love is a major key in a relationship.
(communication is #1 in my book)
When I got married so many years ago I realize now that I was pretty clueless on what love really is....

I am still learning...

I apologize for going a tad off-topic Norval.
I know you do not care for that.
I felt it was necessary to share my thoughts openly with you and other members here...please forgive me.

[Mystica]

Originally Posted by Stephen

I apologize for going a tad off-topic Norval.

I don't think it off-topic at all.

Love is something you do. Not something you feel or talk about. It manifests through actions and goes to the heart of the subject matter.

[Norval]

Bobbi and I wanted to make sure many others saw this picture taken yesterday morning.



I called it "The Mists of Avalon"
The Swan, the Heron at middle right, the Seals at middle left.

Love is expressed in many ways. One of those ways is self sacrifice and seeking the advantage of
another, in other words, help someone accomplish what they want to do.

Even our enemies are to be shown "love", but not to give them bullets for their guns, just
sustenance. We have even won the respect of some of those that we call agents. We have come
to realize that there are reformed former bad ETs also and acknowledged their positions in all of
this at this time.

Then there are the highbred, GMOs, ones with adopted DNA from mankind. Even they are loved
with a provision for continued life. We know that the bible expressly states when the ETs left their
positions and came to earth and "mated" with women, also from the abduction experiences, men
too. They are not to be killed, as in times past, but are afforded the same amnesty based on their
"heart", integrity, honor, and so on, just as mankind will be judged worthy of life, or not.

Remember, Jesus came from up ^ there, became one of mankind and went back up ^ there to be
crowned as King of the Universe. His "sacrifice" also covers all sentient intelligent life forms that
will avail themselves of this provision of amnesty and forgiveness. Yes, love is being shown
beyond our highest expectations.

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Originally Posted by Norval

Bobbi and I wanted to make sure many others saw this picture taken yesterday morning.



I called it "The Mists of Avalon"
The Swan, the Heron at middle right, the Seals at middle left.

Love is expressed in many ways. One of those ways is self sacrifice and seeking the advantage of
another, in other words, help someone accomplish what they want to do.

Even our enemies are to be shown "love", but not to give them bullets for their guns, just
sustenance. We have even won the respect of some of those that we call agents. We have come
to realize that there are reformed former bad ETs also and acknowledged their positions in all of
this at this time.

Then there are the highbred, GMOs, ones with adopted DNA from mankind. Even they are loved
with a provision for continued life. We know that the bible expressly states when the ETs left their
positions and came to earth and "mated" with women, also from the abduction experiences, men
too. They are not to be killed, as in times past, but are afforded the same amnesty based on their
"heart", integrity, honor, and so on, just as mankind will be judged worthy of life, or not.

Remember, Jesus came from up ^ there, became one of mankind and went back up ^ there to be
crowned as King of the Universe. His "sacrifice" also covers all sentient intelligent life forms that
will avail themselves of this provision of amnesty and forgiveness. Yes, love is being shown
beyond our highest expectations.

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

Inspirational stuff Norval, thanks.

[Jacqui D]

It seems this thread is causing quite a stir, many are thinking on the same lines that the bible holds some truth but not everything can be trusted.
The bible has been corrupted it's true teaching mislead by the ones who have worked so hard to keep it's true meaning hidden from the masses.
It is full of idol worship, ritualistic sacrifices, adultery and corruption.

[TAXMASTER]

i have been a searcher all my life. i have studied the bible many times for different reasons. my personal opinion is that revelations is a story about the internal struggle we all face within our own soul. a battle between light and no light.

i do not think any of the enlightened ones who came came before us intended to start a religeon. jesus was in fact a devout jew. religeon was created after the fact by followers of the enlightened ones who presupposed the intentions of the enlightened ones.

If the bible, torah, book of the dead, etc give you peace then good for you. I have come to the conclusion that organized religeon is about control. i travel about and look at these magnificent buildings with 50 rooms built out of the finest quality materials available and wonder how many hungry people could have been fed instead. here is how I view religeon and it's role:

imagine you are a parent with 3 children and their chore is to alternate taking out the trash each day. child 1 loves to help with the household and takes pleasure in being productive and not only takes out the trash but cleans the can and puts in a new trash bag in it's place plus asks if they can do anything else to help. child 2 keeps postponing his time and usually tries to get on of the other 2 children to do it for him. if that doesn't work, you as the parent threaten to take away his privildges and ground him if he doesn't take out the trash. after him-hawing around and stomping his feat, he eventually takes out the trash but that is all he does, nothing else. child 3 refuses to do any chores so you exclude him from family activities & ground him to his room as punishment.

child 1 and child 2 both did their chores. the trash got taken out in both cases however as a parent, which would you feel better about, the 1 that willingly did the deed or the 1 that you had to coerce & threaten?

to me, child 1 is the spiritual one that doesn't need a higher authority to threaten them into doing the right thing. child 2 is the church goer that attends on sunday to feel good about his self and then screws his neighbor on monday. child 3 just screws his neighbor anyway, but he doesn't try to make you think he is somebody that he is not.

Namaste'

[Norval]

Steven,
Fortunately the alterations never harmed the message.

"Second, if you see signs of the apocalypse coming out, it is because the controllers are following
it like a script."

Yes, that is because it is a script in many ways.
Thanks for your input.

TAXMASTER,
As a CPA, you are aware of the manuals that it takes to study the tax codes for various financial
states of peoples resources, to ensure you provide them with accurate information. You lament
because they did not follow your suggestions to avoid this crises they now face. I too will lament
for those that do not make the connection about ET and the bible and to not look at it from any
religious point of view. This discussion is about that connection based on our ability to
technologically comprehend the bible. It is about the Government of the Galaxies, not religion or
religious views. It is also about advanced technology to restore ones health completely.

It is written that riches will be thrown in the streets when King Jesus comes.
I guess that treasure becomes trash then.
Thank you for your input.

[arcora]

Perhaps now that some are fed up with the New Age 'channeler' prophecies that are clearly false, they will take a good hard look at this book which accurately predicted:

1. The rise of the NWO
2. The return of Israel as a nation (against all conceivable odds)
3. The signs in the sky
4. The rise of the New Age religion
5. The dominance of reptilian ET's over society
6. The birth and death of Jesus
7. The rise and fall of the Roman Empire
8. The rise and fall of the Greek Empire
9. The rise and fall of the Babylonian Empire
10. The fall of the Egyptian Empire

And on and on and on....

So, as Norval suggested...Calm down and read it.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Originally Posted by arcora

Perhaps now that some are fed up with the New Age 'channeler' prophecies that are clearly false, they will take a good hard look at this book which accurately predicted:

1. The rise of the NWO
2. The return of Israel as a nation (against all conceivable odds)
3. The signs in the sky
4. The rise of the New Age religion
5. The dominance of reptilian ET's over society
6. The birth and death of Jesus
7. The rise and fall of the Roman Empire
8. The rise and fall of the Greek Empire
9. The rise and fall of the Babylonian Empire
10. The fall of the Egyptian Empire

And on and on and on....

So, as Norval suggested...Calm down and read it.

The rise and fall of the Anglo American Empire
And gods disgust of the league of nations, (United Nations)

[Zynox]

... for the cliff notes ... this sums things up in a reasonably condensed version that feels close enough, for me:

War in Heaven

... in the few weeks spent within this material, my heart has blossomed and i am empowered to have a user guide that allows each to find harmony ...

~ much love ~

[Norval]

When is "disclosure", his return, this King of the universe, when is the return of Jesus?
When will that one thousand five hundred mile big Heavenly New Jerusalem show up?

True, it is written that we will not know at what time of the day, nor the day, that disclosure will
happen. As has been stated before in these threads about the bible, it will happen like a thief in the
night. It also says that it will be at a time when it is least expected.

We are also warned not to run here and there looking for anything. But it does say to look up and
see the signs, and to look around and see the "times" we are in. We are to know the "season" of
when it is immanent. Why else would anybody be searching as we all are?

Because we all know something is going to happen.

[Norval]

Hi Carol, thanks. for removing the SPAM postings.

Guess GOTZEUS, didn't bother to read about posting, nor Carol's warning about all of us being respectfull one one each other, , , , ,


And the two posters below just can't read at all it appears.

[freeze]

For some reason I really dont see why this thread is in Whistleblower Testimony..... it doesnt really shed any valid info and it has been stated more than once that one must read the bible.

I would have expected actually quotes taken from this bible and how they "mean" something else. Most of us here dont take the bible literally and if there is some hidden thing in it then I dont want to be told to read it and find it myself. The whole idea of whistleblower is someone sharing something that has been kept secret. I know the bible has been twisted but tell me something tangible please.

If not then this thread should be moved ....

[gazbom]

Originally Posted by gordon

You are so full of ****, Norval. *I KNOW* YOU are full of ****, because the first post on this thread of yours is **** in everyway. I know because I am the *secret witness* of the Kingdom Of God. I really hope that the Mods of the Avalon can close down this thread or, close Norval for causeing such ****. Trust me, you or anybody else does not want to upset the Almighty-Creator God.

*IF* you can Norval, could you PLEASE EXPLAIN in "detail" of what or how you know what you is talking about is not the **** you are talking about? I need to know or not, that you are not one of those idiots who who just talks on and on and endless **** all the time... PLEASE EXPLAIN IN DETAIL AND TRUTH ABOUT WHAT *YOU* SAY... MR NORVAL.

Did we forgot to take our medicine today Gordon?
Up to our old tricks again are we, why don't you go play with a crockodile and do us all a favour!
I must say it's refreshing to see the MOD's are on their toes again!

[Norval]

From the looks of other parts of the forum, I would have to say that the Mods have their hands
full. Any one I know has yet to hear from a Mod about thread problems after hitting that
REPORT button, so they must be busy.

Besides, several of us had a good belly laugh about "all that crap".

[milk and honey]

What is the 'open letter' you're talking about Norval?

I also believe the fallen angels came here 100s of 1000s of years ago and have been incarnating on earth as we have for ages. They're obsessed with controlling everything and everyone. And yes the angels are extraterrestrial (having not originated on earth just like every soul incarnate here) but i do not accept that they are flying about in 'UFOs' and i don't like to call them "positive ETs" unless we call ourselves the same. No big deal. Obviously no soul originates from planet earth. We're all spiritual beings who originate in the spiritual plane and have incarnated elsewhere aeons ago before our earthly sojourn.

Consequently i don't accept that we or Jesus arrived in 'UFOs' (our soul/spirit simply incarnated here) or that Jesus or anyone else will return in one to give effect to a physical rapture scenario. When we have resurrected the negative aspects of the psyche we, like Jesus, can ascend out of the earth plane into spiritual realms and we will have no need for physical means of conveyance to do so.

Much of the bible is symbolic yet multi-layered and i have written about this at length on other discussion boards. It's always a contentious subject.

[milk and honey]

Norval,

i notice you often save yourself the trouble of responding to the substance of what a poster has written by picking ONE WORD or phrase out and using it to dismiss their entire post because of it. It's most probably just a program you've got running that your ego can hide behind because it must always be right.

Once a person comes to an absolute position on some matter his ego will insist on it to the exclusion of all assertions or evidence to the contrary. This reminds me of the catholic bible thumpers of the 16th and 17th centuries who insisted on their own unassailable interpretation of scripture. The only difference between their mental box and yours is that your rigidity is based on a different interpretation. Understand, i am saying that truth has nothing to do with my point. I am speaking of a state of consciousness. Could you have been a catholic insisting on a different interpretation of the bible a few centuries ago? Your words are different from the old catholics but to my ear, the music sounds the same.

My own views are informed by the bible and other books and by my own interior spirit. I go through a process of external and internal education in order to come to an acceptance of truth. But i am always open to new information in case my perception is incomplete.

Try responding to the substance of my post with just one word changed. It is bolded and capitalised below.

Originally Posted by milk and honey

What is the 'open letter' you're talking about Norval?

I also ACCEPT that the fallen angels came here 100s of 1000s of years ago and have been incarnating on earth as we have for ages. They're obsessed with controlling everything and everyone. And yes the angels are extraterrestrial (having not originated on earth just like every soul incarnate here) but i do not accept that they are flying about in 'UFOs' and i don't like to call them "positive ETs" unless we call ourselves the same. No big deal. Obviously no soul originates from planet earth. We're all spiritual beings who originate in the spiritual plane and have incarnated elsewhere aeons ago before our earthly sojourn.

Consequently i don't accept that we or Jesus arrived in 'UFOs' (our soul/spirit simply incarnated here) or that Jesus or anyone else will return in one to give effect to a physical rapture scenario. When we have resurrected the negative aspects of the psyche we, like Jesus, can ascend out of the earth plane into spiritual realms and we will have no need for physical means of conveyance to do so.

Much of the bible is symbolic yet multi-layered and i have written about this at length on other discussion boards. It's always a contentious subject.

Also Norval....

Every fundamentalist insists that progressive revelation is invalid. Yet even though that is the process upon which most of the bible was written over many millenia, they 'believe' it all stopped 2000 years ago and will begin again in the future when the witnesses and Jesus returns. Consequently, and very conveniently, they can thump one book in the present and deny the spiritual validity and source of anything else since the 1st century AD. So nothing can add or take away from their interpretation of the old and nothing new can add to it. They're boxed in. I'm simply pointing out the closed mindset of fundamentalists of all stripes and saying that the same thing can happen to anyone who comes to a single interpretation of that multi-layered compilation of books, the bible.

[Xammy]

Norval,

i notice you often save yourself the trouble of responding to the substance of what a poster has written by picking ONE WORD or phrase out and using it to dismiss their entire post because of it. It's most probably just a program you've got running that your ego can hide behind because it must always be right.

I have lurked Norvals threads now for a while, and I have made the same observation.

I do not intend this to be an attack of any kind, just a simple statement.

I hope that you, Norval, can take some time to think about how you could better present to people your theories, without invoking the bible all the time.

Unless you are just a bible researcher, or have you also researched other topics, that you perhaps came in to via 'bible studies'?

..


Thought provoking stuff anyways, thanks for time spent here.

And everyone reading this, please do what the title of this thread says, calm down..

Or as I like to put it,

DON´T PANIC!

[Gale]

without invoking the bible all the time

This thread is about the Bible and just reading it as a document; a government document. Years of researching the sciences, history, mythology, legends, language, sociology, you name it and this research has landed us both knee deep into it; Norval particularly as he was into this research long before I met him but since then this research, with verification and re-verification comes right back to, it is all right there in that document.

[Xammy]

This thread is about the Bible and just reading it as a document; a government document. Years of researching the sciences, history, mythology, legends, language, sociology, you name it and this research has landed us both knee deep into it; Norval particularly as he was into this research long before I met him but since then this research, with verification and re-verification comes right back to, it is all right there in that document.

I understand that.

I was asking for something other than "it is all right there in that document", for more reasons than one. For example, it´s very easy for people to discard your general theory of the greater picture if you only cite one source. Even if that one source happens to be a collection of multiple sources.

Why not bring up cross referenced information from other so called 'holy' scriptures? Or contemporary work for that matter?

Or are you just blowing your own pipe with this information and thread?

Sincerly,
Xammy

[stal]

no offense intended here, but is there any chance of anyone posting some actual information in this thread, as opposed to arguing semantics? its an interesting topic, and i for one would like to see where it goes. right now it seems to be going nowhere.

(yes, i realise that by posting this i am contributing to the mess, but it needed to be said)

[dutchie]

Originally Posted by stal

no offense intended here, but is there any chance of anyone posting some actual information in this thread, as opposed to arguing semantics? its an interesting topic, and i for one would like to see where it goes. right now it seems to be going nowhere.

(yes, i realise that by posting this i am contributing to the mess, but it needed to be said)

I agree is there nothing better to do or discuss, lets get with the program.