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Study what Chlorine Dioxide Ion is in depth and how it effects the body. Do not just reject it because you think it's risky. Understand it. Many did not believe the world was round either. So you are not alone. ![]() Peace, Ampgod |
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It is far from intense carefull dosing. You can take 3 drops of acid or 5 or 6, as long as it is enough to react. One drop or two drops of MMS more or less? No problem. And you have not seen 1 single contraindication posted anywhere. There is no probability of harm. Where and what have you been reading lately? Not this thread anyway. |
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Peer,
I'm a medicinal herbalist and I become very concerned when people feel that "natural" things are okay to take and won't hurt you. Arsenic and hemlock are natural but I certainly would not suggest someone take it. Before you get your bloomers in a bunch I am not saying MMS is in the same catagory as arsenic. Yes I understand the benefits of MMS . . . . I just do not feel it is a miracle chemical. The fact that MMS has to be taken by carefully measured drops and ramping up or down means one has to be very careful in using this chemical. When you have to take into consideration someones weight and diet is very telling. I also would be very concerned where the different people are finding this product and how it is being produced or manufactured. I'm not sure about your comment about 2 or 3 drops of "acid" . Are you saying you would ingest something like Hydrochloric Acid and it would be fine if you only took 2 or 3 drops????? If so I rest my case. You stated there are no contraindications or anywhere in the thread that states there has been harm or problem. Well I suggest you read this thread again . . . carefully. Amgod was very clear saying several times that he has become ill . . . very ill using MMS. Myplanet2 states clearly that his wife became "violently ill" after using this product. The fact you have to avoid vitamin c or be careful with citric acid is a contraindication. You have to be careful and understand reactions with other drugs or medications with this type of chemical. For you to state there is no "probability of harm" is extremely dangerous. This type of product does detoxify very quickly and too quickly for some people with delicate or weak constitutions. It acts very aggressively in some cases . . . . which can be good or problematic. Someone asked about viruses . . . . if there is a virus that has been dormant like herpes or Epstein barr or Lymes disease and many others and it is deep in the liver and you take something like MMS or a “heroic” type herb you can activate that virus by trying to get rid of it and it comes back ten fold. I know what I’m talking about. I completely understand the benefits of natural herbs, tinctures, teas and minerals and have used them all my life (I’m 50). I would not be a herbalist if I didn’t. But I also understand fully the possibility of harm. All I’m saying is I feel to tout something as a “miracle” on a site such as this where many read it and take it for granted that because it is on PA then it must be safe and true is not being responsible. Like Swanny who asked if it would cure his friend who has diabetes. Yes Ampgod I agree that knowledge is power but it is what you do with that "power" that makes a massive difference. Knowlege is useless and dangerous without wisdom. I am not rejecting MMS no more that I would reject "poke root tincture" but I also understand both have to be used wisely. Please use common sense and be responsible. Take Care Quote:
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In The Mists
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Several of the MMS websites offer Jim Humbles Free book, explaining the theory and use of MMS. The details really need to be known before much in depth conversation makes sense.
For example, the "acid" used isn't hydrochloric. It's citric acid, or lemon juice. It's needed to turn the sodium Chlorite into the Chlorine Dioxide (stabilized oxygen). There is a correct proportion of sodium chlorite to acid to produce chlorine dioxide. taking vitamin C as in the case of mixing the solution with a fruit juice containing added vit C throws off the proper proportions. So it's good to read up a bit before commenting or assuming anything based on discussion. As far as I know, MMS has no side effects. Nausea, stomach upset, head ache, etc are expected effects which indicate the elimination of toxins or pathogens from the system. |
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Blufire 77 you are a wise!!! Why harm yourselves with miracles??? Namaste
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Please don't attempt to discredit something you don't understand. It is just confusing people. "Blufire77" also said I said something that I did not. Here is what he stated.... "Amgod was very clear saying several times that he has become ill . . . very ill using MMS." Now the truth is this... I got ill ONCE due to me testing the limits which I knew might produce adverse effects. However, I am one to push the envelope and see for myself the truth about the limits. Which I did. I got ill as expected (ONCE) and was back to normal in hours. I moved back to 6 drops and am fine now. *Why not just wait and see how things pan out with this stuff instead of bashing it constantly? *You don't have to test it. Let people like Peer and others including myself do it for you. *No need for bashing it. ![]() There is a good possibility you harm yourself more eating crappy food from the local grocery store (Toxins) than with MMS. Ampgod Last edited by Ampgod; 10-24-2008 at 07:39 PM. |
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This is an excellent thread with many good insights.
Thanks everyone |
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I think and want to make clear that experimenting with those products are not wise and can be harmful, like any medicine. The ingredients are pretty aggresive and as they are used wrong, cause a lot of harm. You might leave composing this product to someone who knows more of such things, to avoid errors.... I know about the healing effect and the use in africa to stabilise symptoms of malaria, hepatitus ect. Just want to say, again..., take care en keep thinking....!!! Namaste
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Here is some further information posted on the internet regarding extreme reactions to MMS.
How to Avoid Nausea Quote:
FREE Download Jim Humble's book Part 1: http://www.mmsmiracle.com/hereforhealing ~ Click on About MMS and scroll to near bottom for link to FREE Download. Low cost shipping rates, include worldwide: See previous and future posts by peaceandlove regarding experience and protocols. Last edited by peaceandlove; 11-25-2008 at 07:53 AM. |
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I dont need a label !
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Does it cure baldness?
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More information from the Internet:Chlorine Dioxide gas circulates in the blood stream, destroying pathogens that are gradually eliminated. ~ MMS doesn't replace damaged body parts or add anything such as vitamins, nutrition, or protein. ~ MMS boosts the immune system immeasurably - 100% or even greater. ~ MMS doesn't heal anything. Sprains, whip-lash, bald head, addictions, and bad attitudes are not caused by bacteria. ~ When your body is free from poisons and toxins, the immune system sometimes "heals" damaged body parts. ~ Life style and positive attitudes are factors in triggering the immune system into reconstructive healing mode. ~ Claimed: MMS can be used periodically to maintain a cleansed toxin-free body, achieving high levels of immunity. ~ Conflict with other drugs is unlikely. If in doubt, voluntarily eliminate one or the other. http://www.mmsmiracle.com/hereforhealing See previous and future posts by peaceandlove regarding experience and usage. Last edited by peaceandlove; 11-25-2008 at 07:54 AM. |
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I dont need a label !
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Oh well not to worry, would have been fun to be a long haired hippy again
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@P&L:
Thank you for the very elaborate information. I loose my patience to quickly when people keep suckin'. Only one remark: The metaphore with the bamboo is not quite correct: If you cut 10 feet a day, next day you will have to cut the same ten feet again. That's the problem with the darn bamboo.... ![]() ![]()
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My dear Blufire,
you advise me to read the thread, while you obviously didn't. I started this thread and why? We were discussing about what to take when you have to do with what you can carry in a backpack and so I came up with MMS. It is called MMS just because it worked miracles and I have seen it working miracles. I am a therapist, I am 60 years of age and I tried it on myself first to know what it did, to know what tolerances it has, and then I asked my friends around me to help me find out what the benefits and eventual non- or contrabenefits are. The real name is Sodiumchlorite 28% but that sounds so chemical The same problem as with acetylsalicylic acid. You wouldn't want to swollow that either but if you call it Aspirin there is no problem at all. I think it's rather obvious you don't swollow hydrochloric acid (which I didn't mention but you). I can't see why you brought this in exept for wanting to be right. Well you are right if you say that you shouldn't try to stop an oncoming train with your two fists only but that also has nothing to do with this topic. I was writing to people who had already read the thread (as you did not) and when I wrote "acid" I meant one of the acids, used to activate the Sodiumclorite or NaClO2. I am sure those people knew what I was talking about and otherwise they could easily find the information in the forgoing posts which I didn't want to repeat time after time. That Vitamin-C is a nono you see as something problematic, well it isn't. MMS is an "oxidating" proces. Is oxidates everything below ph7 which is the healthy balance for your body. Using an anti-oxidant like Vitamin-C will stop the MMS from working so during the cleaning proces you don't take Vit-C. That also has already been mentioned before so why ask again? After you've done take as much Vit-C as you like although if you take too much you may get a Vit-C poisoning, you may even die of it like you will if you drink to much water. I assume that the people reading here and experimenting here are all grown up mature people who are very conscious of what they are doing so jumping up and down with a red flag en telling everybody to be carefull I find disturbing: I know exactly what I am doing and I don't need to be pampered. I personally have experimented with MMS as much as I could and applied it to a lot of things with good, often astonishing results. I would NEVER experiment that much with ANY regular medicin or any of the herbs you mentioned. Yes, If you go too fast the cleaning-reaction can be violent but you're not ILL. Stop taking it and the reaction stops within a few hours and you'll feel fine while if you were ill it would take much more time to recover. Of course everybody reacts differently and that is why I say: Try it out, take some more, take some less. As long as you keep feeling nauseous keep on pushing your body because it means you still are poisoned and you are still in the cleaning-process. As long as you experience diarrhea: Same thing. Go as far as your body lets you without discomfort. No doctor needed. Most likely there will be no doctor available ![]() I have reacted on you twice now which wouldn't have been neccesary if you had done what you advised me to do: "Read the thread" so this is my final reaction on you because I need my energy for other, more important things. |
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Hi Blufire,
being a herbalist myself and classical homeopath for 25 years, I have been looking everywhere to find a remedy that can eliminate toxic agens in a biological living creature. MRSA is on the rise, antibiotics are prescribed as if it was a candy and microbs , virusses aso, are on the loose. NaClO2 is a natural product and mixed with citric acid makes a safe remedy. The " illness" that is spoken of is this-----> http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/herxheimer.html I took the MMS myself for 2 months up to 3 times 15 drops a day to experience the action myself. Taking MMS needs to be guided by someone who can discern between illness and detox symptoms. Fasting on water and tea is much more difficult to detox. Jenny Quote:
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Avalon Senior Member
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Why bother with mms when stabilized oxygen works without acid . no bad taste either. You can take it right
from the bottle and I'm on second day and I feel a big difference. (plus I have been mixing it with absobic acid but read this and don't think I need to do so) It says that 20 drops will complete sterilize a gal of dirty water in 24 hrs. I paid 40 for a quart. Not bad and its 28 per cent |
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Debby I sent a message to you and I thought I would also add message here
I was dianosed with neuropathy, RA,tarsal tunnell, corpal tunnell and osteo perossis in my spine....pain pain pain...I was getting accupunture for them all plus on 16 different meds.............I cured all of them with Vitamin D3 50,000 IU twice a week for a month. I am now on maintenance of 1000 IUs a day for life. Thank God, I went to see a new dr that was from India. She noticed that my feet were curved inwards........no more pain is wonderful.......now I am takin chlorine sodium (mms mixed already) for my copd........I went from 4 to 1.5 on my concentrated oxygen for sleep and 2 or 1 level during the day. 2 when I do something. LOVE IT buy some d3
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During my journey with MMS I have discovered something awesome.
I feel it needs it's own thread here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (MMS) Miracle Mineral Supplement has CURED MY ALLERGIES fully! (When using MMS) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have had terrible allergies all my life. Especially, in October , November & December. I am taking the MMS currently for a virus but found my allergies have disappeared completely! PS. Pills are a joke! Big Pharma... I can't believe I trusted you! Never again! Peace, Ampgod Last edited by Ampgod; 11-11-2008 at 05:31 AM. |
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Ampgod...............pills and dr's are a joke & costly
Congratulations on the missing allergies. waiting for you final results on the virus herpes...........my son has them...........so he says.......... |
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Avalon Senior Member
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All right. So I just read the whole thread tonight, and considered it more relevant than reading the scientific portion (a like a persons voice over say a doctors, does not mean I deny the science), even though you guys explained it pretty well and it makes perfect sense. However, I have two questions. Are all diseases and say negative agents in ones body have a PH of 7 and lower? I couldn't imagine that to be completely true. Also, the notion of it ridding heavy metals seems to be a hard one to grasp. My view is that heavy metals get literally clogged in the system and are really hard to get out. I am a pretty healthy person but have on and off bad allergies. I don't think I have a bunch of gunk in my system but I have a feeling there's definitely some heavy metals.
Also, as I see with Amp God who wants to be rid of his illness completely (and I do not blame him one bit), he's taking quite the regimen. Now, does one have to say exceed 10 drops a dose to reach such effects (aka being completely cured), or does it just speed up the process? As my interest would probably be taking just a nightly dose, or maybe 6 drops day/night. I have no desire to rush things at all as long as it's pushing me in a positive direction for my body, as long as it may take. Also, I was wondering if some other more prominent members (big posters) from Avalon could step forward on this (and I mean this is a purely positive fashion). It's a big and lengthy thread but not a huge diversity of members posting. My only skepticism lies within unnatural supplements/medications. And when I say unnatural, this is something humans wouldn't of come into contact readily in their natural enviroment such as say with aloe vera, sea salt, or apple cider vinegar (easily processed and used throughout history). Otherwise, excellent thread people. I enjoyed the read greatly and the potentials it offers, as my only true miracle pill at the moment are my hands and thought (Good ole reiki :-p). Namaste. |
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Avalon Senior Member
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It is for you to decide for yourself.
![]() I recommend getting the book and dvd. This will explain it all in detail. I believe it will answer many of your questions. It can be obtained here... http://mmsmiracle.com/mjmj275 Last edited by Ampgod; 11-11-2008 at 05:33 AM. |
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My biggest interest is still personal experience (and at the moment I trust Avalon over a posted comment on a website) and for the most part it seems people are in their trial runs with no people confirming complete success results outside no allergies (which sounds absolutely bomb in my book). The implications of this substrate isn't like some vitamin that will just improve daily health, but will supposedly detoxify you of all the poisons in your system and completely eradicate most if not all diseases and infections in ones system. I've read a ton about ORMUS and all the benefits, but I have yet to hear any completely successful results from people, especially in a mass consensus so I don't touch them. I don't know the presenters of the information or let's say success stories on YouTube (if there are), but I feel comfortable hearing from Avalon members and their experiences. You guys are like my intangible family of spiders roaming the web together. So, the more free info, the better ![]() And on that note, ALL of my knowledge in relation to the entire subjects represented on Avalon (which could be everything except for MTV and Sponge Bob), including my recent works with sacred harmonics ('Cracking the Code') and philosophical treatises which have been published on Avalon, stem out of free knowledge I have gained from my own personal experiences and the internet. I have bought two books at Borders and that is it! (2012: The Return of Quetzacoatal, must buy) I would like to keep it that way No one owns information. However, I will gladly dig up the $20 for the bottle of Wonka's magical healing juice.
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so today, i was taking 6-7 drops, my second day, and third dose totally....waiting for a reaction!!!!!!
my reasons for taking it is an immuncollapse 25 years ago, when i was 10, this was a vaccine reaction, that left me off with swollen lymphs on ringht side of tha body, hopprible ulcers in the face (herpes or staphylococcus?), b12 deficency and ekstreme tierdness, i became better over the years, but still never felt the energy really came back, and still have the swollen lymph glands and cords in my right side, the ulcers almost never comes anymore, som they are not a good parametre. but i will hopefulle get back on track soon totally....hehe....keep u informed....i m going for quick reactions.... |
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Avalon Senior Member
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wow alice your pushing it then...
im on day two, had one drop in the morning and thinking of 2-3 in the evening....
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yes...a little "on" here, but have not seen any reaction yet....in the evening i will have smaller dose i think.....
is it normal to take two doses avery day?? |
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