Benjamin Fulford

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Folks:

We have not met this person. The photo was provided by Benjamin. Just for information and interest only.

[ForsakenFalcon]

haha a assassin of motivated by good.

One of My favorite personal quotes =

"Shrouded in darkness to serve the light"

agreed...

[ucan]

Just listened and I'm glad for an update from Ben - I've missed the monthly appearances with Jeff Rense - the last Interview I heard was for the Alex Jones show in August which went quite strangely in my opinion and Alex was quite quick to dismiss Ben's comments about China. One point in this telephone discussion I can't get my head around is Ben's lack of suspicion on the installment of a world government so that E.T. trusts us enough to explore space. I have come across these ideas before and I'm surprised that Ben is repeating these sentiments. Maybe it's my own lack of trust or maybe it's my own experiences that make me want to now turn away from what Ben is saying and focus on my own vision, but I'm pretty sure I'll still be very interested in what this brilliant man has to say - he really does have some wonderful things to say that echo truth in my heart...

Here is an analogy.

Imagine a beautiful pristine lake... a river flows into this lake bringing minerals and fresh pristine water from the mountains. There are plants, bacteria and all sorts of mircrobes growing in the lake. These feed different creatures in a food chain all the way up to the large fish in this lake. And this is all in balance, with no interference from an outside source.

Around this lake is an awe inspiring forest... it is full of shrubs, insects, trees, birds, deer... and their predators, like bears and wolves. But again this is in complete balance around the lake... infact it is in harmony and balance with the lake. And this is without any outside interference.

Now picture this... the water going into the lake from the river is diverted to a city hundreds of kilometers away. Only a trickle is let down the original river as a token gesture.

The eco-system changes... the water level in the lake recedes, the lake warms up. Because of this the oxygen levels go down and algae flourishes through out the lake. All the fish in the lake die, and the microbes turn anaerobic (no oxygen) and a large stench eminates from the lake. The lake is stagnant... mammals, birds, and other creatures have to leave the area because their source of water and food is no longer enough. Trees and plants begin to wither and die because their water source is no enough.

The ecosystem is no longer in balance, which means it is no longer healthy.

Some people will probably think the algae is the reason the ecosystem is upset. So they will dump chemicals into the lake to try and kill the algae... but this will have no effect. Some will suggest that the lake is upset because of the massive amounts of flys in the lake... and will try to put chemicals into the lake to kill them. But this will also not have an effect, both of these are examples of trying to force nature. The only effect will be an even greater degenerative effect on the ecosystem.

The real problem is the fresh water source from the river being diverted. And once the lakes original water source is restored... the problems of algae, stink, flys.... and everything else will go away as balance is restored. It might take some time, but it will be restored.

And it is the same with the darkness on the planet. Label it what ever you want... illuminati, Jesuit, demons... it does not matter, it is all darkness. Darkness not meaning evil, darkness meaning absence of light. A dark act is a dark act regardless of the source, and it is degenerative.

Trying to kill a bunch of people who perform degenerative acts will not solve a thing. The two dark acts will not bring the light. Only generative acts will bring light...

Keeping a persons headspace in a positive light, living a life of honor and integrity... and extending love into all actions is what will change the world. And one person who does this... is far more powerful than millions who do not.

And if enough live like this there will be no darkness... there will only be an earth in harmony and balance. Two examples off the top of my head is Mother Teresa... she change the world dramatically. And Mahatma Ghandi... he took India back from Britain without a single bullet.

Any person who really wants to make a change for the planet... and I really mean make a change should follow their example. And on top of this even if the illuminati, and whatnot were taken out by ninjas... the people are still corrupted. A new group would come in and perform the same acts... the soil will give the same fruit.

[undetected]

I understand your analogy, OceanWinds, and agree, but this whole equation has too many elements. I agree that it's always preferable to choose a peaceful solution, based on love rather than revenge, so I don't want to argue your point, but this situation still raises some questions in me. And I don't have clear answers, there are just too many unknowns.

Abusing your analogy a little, reading the beginning I first thought diverting the stream was analogous to the Illuminati's actions. Then returning the stream would mean getting rid of the Illuminati Just a different perspective.

Then there's this notorious question: would it have been a good or bad thing if someone had killed Hitler a couple of years before 1945? Same thing now with the World Elite. My dilemma is this: if you take drastic measures, like killing, you're committing a crime, not only by our judicial system, but against universal laws too. On the other hand, say at least hypothetically, by not killing these relatively few people, you're allowing for mass murder, torture, mind control, rape, extensive economical scams and similar things to happen. It's a bit like sitting and doing nothing.
Yes, I get the point that there are other ways to go about it. But that brings the question, are these ways quick and effective enough? I believe in the long run the peaceful solutions are necessary and they should be worked on all along. I'm raising the question whether additional, more extreme measures, are cathegorically a bad thing, or a rather necessary support for the less extreme ones. Because in my opinion time is not on our side here. Neither is money and many other things. Not that money is important but it's still an effective tool to achieve many goals. And They have lots of it.

I'm not really taking a side here, I'm not entirely sure what's right or wrong in this situation, so I raise this as a question for everyone to share an opinion. Also, Ben's agenda is "assassination is coming IF you keep killing people [through war/disease etc]". So 1. there is a clear warning, and 2. it's a few assassinations as a response to mass murder basically. So what exactly is ethical or unethical here? Both options have pros and cons. I believe a peaceful way is prefferable. But I'm not so sure that NEVER going to extreme measures, even when dealing with extreme conditions, is always correct.

So what to choose? In a way I like this prospect and in a way I do have a moral problem with it. But I also have a moral problem with letting a few *******s abuse billions of people. I'd like to know people's opinions on this point.

Please if you will... consider the soil that gave the fruit of Hitler. It was just after world war one, and the germans had to repay debt to france. They were upset about it, times were not good. The germans were punished for the nazis actions. The country was poor, and not well treated. It was upset, and it turned to hitler. If after world war one all nations were extended love and unity... instead of punishment I am sure he would have never come to power.

Everything happens exactly as it should... the problem with hilter is that he was only a fly... and not the garbage heap that attracts the flys. Get rid of the garbage, and you automatically get rid of the flys. Just like in your house when you get fruit flys... you can never kill them as long as fruit sits on the counter.

Now as long as everyone treats each other with dignity, respect, love, tolerance... and such. People like hitler will never rise to power... organizations like the illuminati and whatnot cannot exist. Hate, Greed, Contempt, Complacency... these breed hitlers and st
alins.

We have seen that peace can effect large scale change. Just look at Ghandi... he took back india without one bullet. Not one single bullet... imagine fighting a war where the opposing side did not want to fight or kill anyone. And they were the nicest people you could meet... now motivate your soldiers to fight them... i highly doubt anyone could do it.

Violence cannot vibrate in a field of love... the illuminati know this, the dark forces know this. This is why they keep the populations in a field of terror through the media, and other stuff. It cant happen...

I hope I answered your questions.

[CONDE]

BF: The idea is to replace war with a different kind of economic competition. So it would be like a peaceful war, sort of like a global Olympics. For example, the Americans would compete with the Chinese to develop Africa. Or, in other words, come up with some sort of way where we’d periodically give everybody on the planet a goal that they all work towards. Because one thing war has done in the past, it has motivated people to go to extraordinary efforts. Unfortunately it’s been efforts to kill and conquer.

But the idea of mobilizing people can be used for peaceful purposes. A good example was Hitler starting up the Autobahn. He said: OK, you’re all unemployed, you’ve got no work. All right, we’re gonna build the best highway system the world has ever seen. And they did. So never mind all the genocide and stuff-- that happened later-- but just the idea that you mobilize everybody.

So, for example, I’m asking for a 3-year campaign, at the end of which, all environmental destruction will be stopped; every kid on the planet [voices becomes choked with emotion] will have a full mind [wipes away tears] and a full stomach; and human potential will be released. [wipes away tears] And the economic benefits would be just totally mind-boggling.

At the same time, instead of having something like DARPA, you know, high-tech research for the purposes of killing, make it high-tech research for the purposes of promoting life. For example, immortality is around the corner. If you could live another 30, 40 years, you could probably live to be a thousand or more if you wanted. So they should put as much resources as possible into that. And we can make ourselves more intelligent with drugs, with gene therapies, to raise our intelligence. We could have a kind of a paradigm shift, I mean a fractal shift, really-- like the Cambrian explosion-- within a matter of maybe dozens or hundreds of years at most. If we want.

If everybody raises their IQ to 200, 300, and they’ve got infinite free power and immortality, who knows what we’re gonna think up? It’ll set off a kind of, you know, exponential explosion of progress, which you can only begin to wonder and imagine what it’s gonna be like.

But it’s real. It’s not some kind of science fiction. It’s all there in the current technology. You can read it and see it.

KC: We have it within our grasp.

BF: Yes. And so we should really just go for it! I mean, try to save every soul you can. If we can make everybody immortal, we should. And then if there’s not enough room for them, we’ll have to go out into space.

KC: But in essence, it seems like this threat that you’re talking about the Yakuza and the secret societies have made to, in essence, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, right?-- the ones that are at the very top-- that if things don’t change, they are basically going to be motivated to, sort of, eliminate them?

BF: Well, it’s a slave revolt they’re dealing with, basically. And it’s one they can’t stop this time. I mean, Kennedy basically lead an unsuccessful slave revolt.

KC: Right.

Appreciation


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Forgiveness


Humility


Understanding


Valor

[Draecon13]

Thank you Oceanwinds for your understanding of the principles of Knowledge. Your position is correct and "IF" enough people can re-connect with that inner understanding, I feel there is a chance for our survival and redemption. Time is very short and most seem to be caught in the illusion of reality we as a race have created in the world. We need to let go of that illusion and let our inner Knowledge (that has always been there from the Creator) guide us. If we can do this we have a chance of seeing the damage we have done to our world and ourselves, and correct it. And we have a chance of seeing the negative intervention the off-world races are currently unfolding in our fractured and ill-prepared world. We need to enter the community of intelligent life in the universe united, self sufficient and with discretion.

Strength and Knowledge to All

[Zelphael]

I too side with the position that Ben seems like a lovely, deeply compassionate man who has been caught up in some very unusual situations.

Of course, like all info, we analyse and assess it against other sources. That is just common sense.

But I get a real sense of genuineness from Ben and if there are any errors from his sources, I don't believe he is making stuff up.

[CONDE]

MR. FULFORD AT RENSE NOW LIVE !

[CONDE]

OK ?

[Bill Ryan]

The transcript of the 6 September Benjamin Fulford phone interview has just been posted at Project Camelot.

Clck here

Kudos again to our extremely efficient transcription team. Guys, you know who you are.

Here is what you are saying... Would it be ok to kill a few men to save millions of lives, suffering, and grief? and you gave an example... which is hitler. And my answer is that it is not that simple... but in the end it is never ok.

Right now there is two problems with this that I can see.

#1. You use Hitler and his Nazis as the reference... and that if they were "nipped in the bud" millions of lives and suffering would have not happened. Now just because millions of lives are saved in this scenario doesn't mean life on earth would be better for it. This is an assumption. Perhaps this war averted something even worse...

#2. Your second assumption close the first, in that you think that the scenario will work out exactly the same each time. This is an exemplafied scenario... given by church, hollywood, government, and so forth. The general idea being that if you go out and kill the baddies life gets better for everyone. This approach has never ever worked through out history. Just look at iraq and afghanistan...

The problem is with the soil... greed, contempt, complacency, and whatnot is generates the environment for these types of things to happen. So kill one million "baddies"... they will just keep on coming back, like the teeth in a sharks mouth. As long as that shark has food to eat those teeth will keep coming back. But starve that shark of its prey... and it will whither away or leave to different waters.

And yes... in history there have been times where peacefull peoples have been conquered ruthlessly. The spanish inquisition is a good example... it could have been karmic... or something necessary for humanity to learn something about itself. I dont have all the answers... again its not that simple... but i will tell you this. All things happen as they should.

[undetected]

Ok, OceanWinds, you're going a bit around the problem I have in mind, so I'll try to explain better.

As for the Hitler thing - sure, if people had been different, Hitler would never happen. But that's not the point. Hitler did happen. So imagine it's like 1942, war is going on and here's the question: would killing him be a bad thing? Sure he's not the only one, just a fly like you say, but this is more about the principle. Let's assume for a moment the nazi force would crumble without him. I'm talking about an archetype situation where you have a chance to kill a guy who will otherwise kill millions. Would it be a bad thing to kill him?

As for Illuminati - if people had a sense of personal responsibility, we wouldn't be where we are now. But we are here, in this mess. I don't wanna hear "IF we'd have acted differently, things would be different now." Mankind has acted as it did and here we are. There are people who commit mass murder, develop and release diseases, start nonsensical wars, steal... you name it. And we know about it and know who they are, to a large extent. And we have reasons to believe that if we don't stop them, it will get much worse. If we all got microchipped, out "life" would be over, because what we'd have couldn't be called life. So I'm asking: can you really stop them with love? Before it's too late?

You're right that killing some, others would probably come in their places. But maybe, getting rid of the few on the top who push very fast for the worst things imaginable would slow Them down a lot and give us a much better chance of working on better solutions. The choice just MIGHT be -no violence and slavery- on one side, and -a bit of violence and freedom- on the other.

You said "imagine fighting a war where the opposing side did not want to fight or kill anyone. And they were the nicest people you could meet... now motivate your soldiers to fight them... i highly doubt anyone could do it."
In my opinion here you are _completely_ wrong. Wars are ALL about people killing other people who are not in the least their enemies. The guys on the battlefield have no interest in killing the guys on the other side. Your location says Canada. What if my country gets into war with Canada and they send you and me to fight? What interest do I have in shooting at you? None. Would I do it? No. Would the other soldiers do it? You bet they would! Because the government brainwashes them with crap about patriotism and fighting for their country. Or you want to tell me that the US fights in Iraq because the citizens of Iraq are bad people? It's in fact very easy to motivate basically nice people to kill other nice people and it's been happening all throughout history. People are easy to manipulate. You doubt anyone could do it? The Illuminati are masters of doing it. They wouldn't fool me and they wouldn't fool you I'm sure. But they damn well would fool almost all the rest.

But imagine, kill top ten military officers or involved politicians on each side and the war is over. There will be no one left to have interest in it. Just a few shots instead of several years of killing civilians. Cause ordinary soldiers are pretty much civilians too. Just guys like you and me who got a uniform and a gun and an order to kill.
Or even better, as someone said recently - put the politicians [like Bush] on the battlefield to sort it out among themselves, and the war will not be over soon, it will never begin in the first place. Wars are all about people with no interest in the war killing other people who have no interest in the war. The soldiers are not bad people. But they kill. Because a few guys convince them that it's the right thing to do.

I agree Gandhi was a great man and did things right. It's just that right now we need a few dozen of them working really fast. Yes, love is the right way. But somehow people have been missing that point for centuries and now it seems to be a bit late.
Anyway, I'm still interested in what others think too.

[Event_Horizon]

Originally Posted by Contactee77

I agree....the more I think I think about this, the more I believe we won't make it to the election.

Some serious stuff coming our way.

I have had some theories over the last couple of years in the run up to Nov 08. Because of people waking up to their lies the "Elite" would be hard pressed to commit another 9/11 scale attack. Simply for the fact. I don't think people would buy into it, and secondly one or two attacks are easy, well easier to de-bunk because everyones attention and resources are aimed at them. We have to assume these "Enlightened ones" have learned from the last 7 years since 9/11.

However a series of much smaller scale flase flag "Terrorist" attacks spread perhaps across the country or even including American targets abroad will service their dark needs. Rather than being made for the media, (giving the camera crews time to show up before the second plane hit) like 9/11 may infact target media outlets leading to a news blackout, or a power blackout.

This would from their point of view serve the martial law goal as they would be required to step in to bring order to the situation. If there are bombs going off in the local petrol stations, suicide bombs in the malls shootings in local government buildings, schools of what is called small town America (no disrespect intended, I couldn't think of a better term) people, well the uninformed are going to be crying out for the troops to be deployed. People that are scared are all to willing to give up their rights. And by the time its all over and people realise they have bought a lie it will be too late.

So as for False Flag a fast high intensity strike like 9/11 no, but a series of small scale attacks all over the place that last over time period of serveral hours, even days... In my humble opinion this could be what happens. Belsan or the Moscow theater happening in America is a nightmare I have had since I really started thinking about what would happen next.

Aside from this my other thoughts on the matter are that they may infact "break" a terrorist ring, or stop an attack in progress. Perhaps against the "election" process. I think this would happen closer to the election because of course the enemy "Hate our freedoms" and would try and "stop our democratic process". This is a less intensity false flag but it does allow them to spread the "Bush was right" lie and let him leave office vindicated, and of course McCain would take the torch from him. It seems as if American Presidents are crowned with a major "event" so this could be McCain's.

Really it depends how desperate these people are. If Ben Fulford is correct then the nationwide attacks might be the path they choose. If he is wrong, I still think something will happen.

Peace.

[towhom]

I doubt that the control is in the hands of the originators.

Peace and Joy
Always

Sally Anne

[seekntruth]

There do seem to be similarities between what Benjamin and George have been told by their sources. But as Bill has said, it's hard to separate the facts from the noise. I really believe that a lot of the noise is deliberate misinformation.

You know, one thing that I try to keep in mind is the concept that the members of the "world management team" has had MANY centuries to think of everything. Every contingency has been considered and dissected down to the smallest degree. They are not about failing, they are not about quitting, unless they are routed out completely. But that doesn't necessarily mean that something violent must happen. Humanity could collectively decide that we no longer accept being manipulated by these people.

These people are religious fanactics in their own way. But, their religion is the worship of Lucifer. And, these people were given control (or the knowledge to be able to control mass populations) by "neighbors" from elsewhere. Their given task by those overlords is to maintain control of the population through whatever means is necessary. They are also supposed to control the availability of critical resources that the "neighbors" require when they ultimately return to Earth.

So, with that in mind, the "world management team" has a job to do, and they believe they have a higher authority giving them the right to do that job.

The question is this... is humanity mature enough to realise this situation and collectively decide to choose a different future than the one the "team" and the visitors have chosen for us?

Time will tell!

Vance

[Chaordic Simplexity]

the control mongers are so organized and stacked with power and resources, yet the spiritual people lack any kind of togetherness....most of us are just living our silly little dramas with our "important" family and loved ones. ugh.

And then the powerful spiritual people dont seem to care....the world is meaningless to them and theyre just dealing with cloud nine issues and getting outta here. I met one who could see right thru these disinfo clowns like nothing. But are we organized enough to take advantage of our powers? Its frustrating ay?

Why do we put up with the lies...when we should easily have a team of psychics reading right thru the lies. They could just see the lies in their aura or whatever. But instead we bumble around frantically digging thru mountains of chaos.

Just wish we were being more creative and wise with our range of assests. Of course the Cabal doesnt have moral rules like we do.

Hmm, i just dont know lol

connecting a dot...

As Kerry and Bill asked it correctly towards the end of the interview: but what about the bigger plan, the overall world plan? It is not about the US, or the puppets in washington.

BF said that the bancrupty of the US might be postponed, even avoided by a HUGE SPACE PROGRAM. For what? To do what?

connect this with the ongoing buzz about a FAKE ALIEN INVASION and this starts to make sense on a global scale.

Fake alien invasion units the world against them, US releases info on secret tehcnology and needs money to get the production going.

venciremos.

[ARE WE THERE YET]

Originally Posted by ewald

connecting a dot...

As Kerry and Bill asked it correctly towards the end of the interview: but what about the bigger plan, the overall world plan? It is not about the US, or the puppets in washington.

BF said that the bancrupty of the US might be postponed, even avoided by a HUGE SPACE PROGRAM. For what? To do what?


connect this with the ongoing buzz about a FAKE ALIEN INVASION and this starts to make sense on a global scale.
Fake alien invasion units the world against them, US releases info on secret tehcnology and needs money to get the production going.

venciremos.

ARE WE THERE YET quotes-....,the United States Must;CONTROL THE NEW “INTERNATIONAL COMMONS” OF SPACE AND “CYBERSPACE,” and pave the way for the creation of a new military service – U.S. Space Forces – with the mission of space control. (This is a direct quote from project of a New American century)
http://www.newamericancentury.org. EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS
as this is what they want and what they planned. The question is ,military space control of what??????.
The author Tony Bushby has viewpoints on fake alien invasion and is well worth some research.

Two unfolding events which focus on Mr Fulford's September 8th date:

Detroit's big three are seeking government handouts

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

and the Freddie/Fannie takeover

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0908/p01s01-usec.html

The failure of Freddie/Fannie has the capacity to bring down the
entire global financial system.

[ForsakenFalcon]

Reguarding the Population decreass I think nature's been personaly on the assult for awhile.

Allready People are naturealy haveing less kids then what our grandparents were breeding at the rate of rabbits, Then there is a hell of alot more People whom simplely can not have kids be it the male sperms is bad or the females eggs, then natural disaster's and more sickness/diesea's world wide, and the well to save arguement's I wont claime there is more now then 10-20 year's ago but the mass increas of homosexuals has played a small role in it due to the natureal aspect of You need both Sex's to reproduce (No im not saying gays dont have a right to children just technicaly nature doesn't alloued them to breed with there prevered sex)

All in all We dont want people to simplely "Die" but We realy do need a decreass and so I'm just going to wait it out for the next few years and see if nature want's Me here or not.

Main thing I am worried about though is the state of the othere spiece's =/ if WW3 does happen or some desaster on a world scale I hope some factions out there has allready made plans to make sure We don't make the truely innocent suffer greatly by makeing them exstinked.

I don't buy into the whole "Animals don't have soul's" My experience with so many different spieces and indervidal personalitys has taught Me otherewise, I wounder if they to will experience some form of Spiritual Awakening?

[StClair]

Dear Bill & Kerry

SUGGESTION

Can we invite Ben here to explain things and to answer to some questions?

I have studied now the figures he quotes , the amounts in gold etc., and I think I am pretty certain his sources are impossibly wrong on some of the figures. That is the minimum comment I have. But if that is wrong, then how does the rest stack up?

For the UN to move to China is not impossible, but I think UN will as such be disbanded by 2020. If not before, and replaced by something more in tune with the emerging realities on the grand COSMIC Chess Board.

Anyway. Can we invite him here to explain things better. Why? because it is important he knows we are very interested, and we just wish to understand the logic his sources operate with.

he can take our questions back to the sources. Also who are these sources really? OK i feel this at this point a legitimate question if his reputation is to survive.

I was given similar info in 2003, but put it on the back burner, because something did not ring right to my own knowing.

Peace
M StC.

[stresswon]

Interesting conversation from the site. (PC) Only time will tell.