You are so close

[RubyTuesday]

Your message is in my "top ten" I've read here at Avalon. Thank you for putting your wise thoughts out here.

[Xammy]

Thank you! I might be the choir, but I still appreciate it!!


"We are but children with a new toy, the mind. It will take time to control it and not let older kids control us, but we will get it right."

[dayzero]

http://www.whatsuponplanetearth.com/latest.htm

fear is the mindkiller!

Flashlight? Of course you can...

[Harper]

Excellent and fitting, well done. We are ALL being tested by either what you call dark forces or what has been put in our heads for thousands of years, or maybe by ourselves? Those of us here may see this when it happens and have the presence of mind as you did to project something else over it or say stop, I don't believe this or I won't do this even in a dream. This ability takes many years to develop. Something or maybe some aspect of myself pushed it up to me two weeks ago. I was awake and for two hours I was overwhelmed by some sort of terror and when I say terror I mean it. I had a literal battle with my mind or something else where by I had to repeat to myself "you will not have me, you will not break my resolve, I will not crack-up right here, you will not win with the negative blanket you are trying to smother me with." I know this sounds very strange and you have every right, not knowing me, to think I am already cracked :-) I assure you I am not for what its worth.
My normal access to anything of worth or value or predictive notions comes to me in my dreams. I have started sharing them to make sure that I have at least expressed to someone else (a sort of control in the experiment if you will) what I saw (for instance the tsumani, the attack on the scotish airport etc...) I don't believe that I am special or an oracle and usually have to wait to see the event to know the dream was correct so it all seems rather pointless sometimes but I now believe this is designed to let me know like everyone else that we do have more power than they let on. That we do have access to higher versions of ourselves or whatever word you like to use and then maybe we do have access to other entities.
Don't let what I have written scare, if it comes from your head then your head or mind or soul has the ability to overcome it. Take deep breaths and refocus your mind on the most innocent of things, I know its sounds strange, but like a kitten or whatever you would consider to effect you most with peace, smiling faces etc.... Try to conjure up a loving grandmother or someone who is watching over you and say the words I AM.
Other techniques warmly welcomed :-) Do not fear, you are not leaving this place until you realise how wonderful it is, what genius you are and how love can transform both you and the world. Its your own lesson you have come here to learn, you designed it, you live it -- its in your control. Peace be with you all.
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[samncheese]

It sounds to me as if you are trying to fight the battle of good and evil. This is described in the "law of One", I don't know if we are ready for that on this level. I would rather run away to fight another day.

[Harper]

To fight for peace in my mind is just a little silly, you are correct, (in hindsight "battle" was the wrong word, maybe preservation would be better)
My true story was one for which I did not have any conscious desire , it happened as a human event and it was frightening, no one was there but me and perhaps my own powerful negative thoughts, but for no apparent reasoning I could judge then or now, all of a sudden I thought if I don't hang on I could go crazy right here in my own sitting room on an ordinary day. My body shuddered, like shock, you know when somethig hits you a half hour after the event, like falling off your bicycle or something that makes you shake when you imagine what could have happened but didn't. I don't know if I have been clear but the whole point was to do your best of hold on to love even in the most frightening of circumstances. And I guess people on this forum are in one way or another expecting these things to happen, I for one am not wishing myself off of the planet until I'm all used up :-) 100 or so I hope and no one lives a 100 years without some "bad" things happening. The mind is a dangerous place as the saying goes, and can make a hell of heaven or a heaven of hell. I'm all for the latter.

Do tell of your law of one, thing please, briefly. And where do you run to my friend?

[samncheese]

I will not judge you my friend, We will all face our demons at on time or another in life. The law of one readings are a set of books that hold great truth and meaning for me, go to this link http://www.lawofone.info. It makes my heart happy to see your honest words and find a soul that seeks. I will pray and meditate for peace of mind for you.

As for where do I run, I run to the wilderness to seek peace, that is where the love and strength of the Earth flows over me and heals my soul.

[samncheese]

Thank for the link, It is good advise...

[Harper]

Thanks for the lovely words, I am not new to these ideas (well I am new to the fact that half the people on the forum think the other half is reptillion, but I digress:-) ) But I am new to these forum things and as try as I might I haven't been able to figure out how to post an new thread.

I like the feeling of this posting and the people here I have to say and was wondering if all or any of you has heard of DATRE. I am quite surprised that the mention of them has not come up anywhere. Unfortunately both the channell and moderator of the site seem to have disappeared and left plans unfinished which is a true shame as it was the most enlightening and forthright agenda of any site to bring these ideas forward and they were operating from early 90's. I believe they were elderly but find it hard to believe that they might both have died, anyway John the moderator, used to write to me up until a year ago and now nothing. I believe their books are still available and have been translated into at least french and I have kept paper copies of a lot of the transcripts.

It is in my opinion streets ahead of some of the more fantastical stuff about, don't get me wrong, life wouldn't be life without magic but they gave similar universal information without all the drama, and if there is drama then there is and we will deal with that then and not now.

I would love to hear if you have heard of them or if you know what happened to them.
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[samncheese]

I have not heard of them, send me some info and maybe some old links to look for...

To make a new thead, as I looked for a long time, go to a forum heading like "future talk" at the top of that screen you will find a button call new topic or something like that. the screen you want is where the you see the forum and all its threads with the administrator giving the welcome thread as the frist thread, that is where you can make a new one.

[freekatz]

Great post Samncheese...thank you! Lately I've been having very lucid, blissful meditations but often followed by nightmares when I go to sleep. This post just clarifies for me what I already suspected was going on, we just have to try to stay strong throughout this.

Peace to you and all.

[Stabris8]

Wow, great thread! Thanks!

[rosie]

A beautiful reminder, thank you!

[norman]

Originally Posted by samncheese

If you are an intuitive the dark side knows you, they know that you posses great influence on the world around you and want you to live in fear.

I don't usually read these kinds of threads. I'm just not a new age spiritualist of any sort. I expect to be ignored or perhaps dumped-on for posting on this thread. My pineal gland is probably beyond repair and these words could be seen as words from a grave.

samncheese's words resonated with me because they reminded me of old arguments I used to have with various varieties of 'new-agers'. My point then, and still is, that even if 'energies' and 'higher planes', etc, exist ( and I believe they do ), you shouldn't be meddling around with them like babies with boxes of matches.

I used to meditate according to the methods of 'Guru Maraji' ( Prem Pal Sing Rawat ). I still do, occasionally, but I've come to the conclusion that meditation, alone and internally, is dangerous.

Crystals and their energies scare the **** out of me, especially when over enthusiastic people of the superstitious variety 'gift' them to me to help me with this or to help me with that.

I've just watched Kerry Cassidy holding her hands out around the crystal scull while she was talking to it's keeper. That may be OK or it may not be. She freely accepts that it's all a mystery. Mystery it IS but "mystery = good" isn't a part of any logical equation I know of.

If anyone is actually reading this and feels they can shed some useful light on me, please do. I promise I won't rant and rave and argue with you. I'll just read what you write.

norman.

[samncheese]

I am a conservative business owner, I was raised Mormon. I was taught to shun anything mystical or magic or off the beaten path. I had a plan for my life. However, the powers that be wouldn't leave me alone, and to deny they exist would be dishonest. I don't seek evil it seeks me. I accept you as you are, do only what makes you feel comfortable, so long as it hurts no one else. Most of the members here are open minded and know that we are all on a journy of discovery and that we have come to this point from different pathways. Be honest and at peace here and no one will throw you out.

Peace

[Harper]

Norman,

Well I do indeed agree its not as if any of us could just go an run a nuclear power plant because we have love in our heart ! One must only approach the things which resonate with us. There are different planes of experience, existance and reality in the same appartment complex or family or society and not everything is everyones business if you excuse the blatent use of the word. Well said and welcome to the gentle, thus far thread.

For the Datre site it was and the skeleton remains

http://www.mindspring.com/~datrenet/

They gave me most of the material for free and were always in touch despite my novice, at the time, questions. I would gladly sent the material out if I knew they were gone and wanted it deseminated as it is I don't feel it I can with copyright etc... or at least I don't know. Their books are available at Booksurge. Thanks for all your lovely words and peace be with you all.

[samncheese]

I found this site with active links http://www.datrearchive.datrebooks.com/Intro.html

I will explore it thank you.

[Richard T]

Problem with crystals is that the information that humanity has gotten in relation to crystal powers come from dead entities, possibly from some that once populated Atlantis. And people are unaware of the true agenda carried by those entities, so they take the information at face value, believing that they have some sacred positive knowledge that grants them an advantage and use the crystals the way they are instructed to.

And there is a great danger in this, because people believe the information to be correct, while the dead are known liars.

Even those so called spiritual guides lie because they are bound by the laws of their world that is the siege of dominating hierarchies and are lied to themselves.

There are ancient Atlantean souls who have vowed to never reincarnate. And this is a great mistake because they must reincarnate if they are to connect with the source of their origin. And making such a decision automatically makes Luciferian entities of them. Yet, they will present themselves as highly spiritual guides and seek to use the naive spiritual beings on the planet to act as an extension of their schemes.

Even scientists and technologists get caught when inspired for certain 'inventions'.

Crystals are interesting because they are structured over the relationship between the invisible and the material. So that they allow the passage of different energies from one realm to the other.

I can't see how people trust that the use of those, according to the suggestions of intelligences inhabiting a world whose laws are kept hidden, and do so without questioning and really knowing what they are doing.

The same has been true of many so called alternative medicine movements.

Some of them are useful while others are totally destructive.

And since one cannot verify the truthfulness of any entity communicating from the invisible, the only solution is to use the better known empirical processes of testing and validation.

[samncheese]

I think this goes to the heart of this third density thing... it is like a double blind test. It isn't so important what information comes to us, so much as what we do with it.

peace

[sunnyrap]

Nice video that demonstrates 'team playing' to overcome fear and bring us all into a golden age...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BCmJYjeKG8&sdig=1

[samncheese]

Thank you for the link, good stuff. It seems we have a polarity of ideas here on this site. Mr. Green says buy gold, but I can't eat gold.

[Circlewerk]

Enjoyable thread Sam,

I observe that many people are still uncomfortable with uncertainty.
Man seems to want to seek, forever connecting the dots with a walkie talky mind and his past as a reference point index.
Perhaps if the unknown was acceptable, a profound silence would give way to a vibration, that adheres to no thought as absolute truth, yet experiences everything and recognizes the difference between minding and not.
Where that would lead is unknown, but feeling it right now, delivers me peace.

Feel good,
CW

[samncheese]

You seem very insightful on the human condition, aren't all these manafestations of fear. In othere words, Is it more comforting to know the future even if it is doom and gloom, then to just take it one day at a time on faith?

[Circlewerk]

Originally Posted by samncheese

You seem very insightful on the human condition, aren't all these manafestations of fear. In othere words, Is it more comforting to know the future even if it is doom and gloom, then to just take it one day at a time on faith?

I don't know the future, and by using the past to determine the future, I am causing static in my now, using antiquated patterns of an already faulty system to create a future on faith.
So I don't take the future on faith either. I am not looking to be comforted by any source outside of my own spirit.
I know that I have a mind, a body, soul & spirit.
I know that the thoughts that run through my mind, are potentially dangerous if I believe them, grow attached to them, or think they are me.
I know that a thought has the potential to become an emotion, and a reaction.
Even on a unconscious level, my body will react to a thought, even if it is one that is consciously unwanted. You can see many examples of this in disease ridden bodies, who's minds are desperate for health, but give in to the focus of lack.
We are conditioned.
But I find that if I remain neutral, unconditional about the thoughts, if I accept the uncertainty of life and view the contrast that is offered from this neutral position, I am better able to maintain a degree of peace in this moment.
I am not as threatened by the external factors of life, as I am by the thoughts of my mind, if I believe them.
Fear, causes trepidation in the flow of harmony that life is.

If I attach to, or identify with the thoughts/emotions of a doom & gloom future, yet find some sort of satisfaction thinking I KNOW the future regardless of how bleak, or that I even need to know, I am switching from driver to passenger in a car that is going in circles, fueled by recycled thoughts, yet I will convince myself that I am in control, and that the wind feels good in my hair, so I can feel better.
Yet still, nothing new has been brought to the table.

When I am neutral, the future is spotless and I'm ok with that.