Will you leave if the forum is a Paid Subscription?

Thanks for your participation in this poll. Your comments and results of the poll will be taken in consideration by the mod team and the admin.

Peace,
Kevin

[John aka#404]

The following is a response from Bill and Kerry:

We've read all responses with genuine interest and will respond fully - but no time now as we are at the Crash Retrieval Conference.

We understand all the points of view and respect them fully. We're not at all decided how best to proceed. The problem we're trying to solve is basically how to fund Camelot... Avalon costs almost nothing to host. Advertising never, donations yes, merchandising maybe (good idea), maybe some clever way of offering a subscription without locking people out.

Suggestions are all welcome. The problem (basically) is that we are running out of money and we have to find some way of keeping afloat. Lots of people do not realize that we sell nothing, have no independent financial support, and have gone way out on very thin ice in order to do our work, all of which has been made available for free.

Camelot will always remain free - because no-one can own this important information, that belongs to all of humanity. That is our firm position re Camelot and will never change.

We will respond in full within a few days. Respect and thanks to everyone for all opinions, viewpoints and ideas.

- Bill and Kerry
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*as the messenger, I trust everybody understands I will be unable to answer any questions on the above.
Take care and thank you all for your suggestions on this matter.
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[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i think a small fee for running costs is relevant to ghe situation if we can pay it.. i mean people forget this work will be under intense scrutiny and atack soon.. so what are tey to do.. if it comes to it id rather see avalon go down than loose camelot.. the videos are more important than this forum imo.. if it goes it has served its major purpose of getting ground crews together.. most of the important info has laready been passed between people.. CAMELOT must continue..!!!!! 90% of avalon is just a talking shop for theorys and spirituality.

avalon should be about what news is coming and how we can help each other with it.. the site started of as hardcore spiritual and physical survival based knowedge and has now watered down.. maybe its because nothing major has happened yet.. if for one will pay my years subscription!! keep it running until the end of the internet

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

Why should I research for you if you are unwilling to give anything in return?

Bit of a selfish attitude there mate.
Do you only give in the hope you will receive something in return???
Good luck in the future.

[ABHA]

Would have to leave, disabled and broke lol
have a great day, and maybe learn how to find sponsors eh

Originally Posted by Swanny

Bit of a selfish attitude there mate.
Do you only give in the hope you will receive something in return???
Good luck in the future.

Something for nothing, Chicks for free? Is that YOUR attitude? Are you a dole bludger or still living at home with mum & dad? Box your computer up then, mate, and send it to me. I'll be waiting with my hand out.

A fair exchange of energy rather than the sense of entitlement that you seem to be promoting.

It's called the Golden Rule btw
( I had no idea I would be teaching ethics 101 at Avalon. But there seems to be a crying need)

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by Baggywrinkle

Something for nothing, Chicks for free? Is that YOUR attitude? Are you a dole bludger or still living at home with mum & dad? Box your computer up then, mate, and send it to me. I'll be waiting with my hand out.

A fair exchange of energy rather than the sense of entitlement that you seem to be promoting.

It's called the Golden Rule btw
( I had no idea I would be teaching ethics 101 at Avalon. But there seems to be a crying need)

No I happen to be self employed living in my own place helping people when I can thx
I'm a nice bloke thx

[THE PEACEFUL WARRIOR]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Also, let us know if you plan on staying if the forum becomes a paid subscription forum.
This poll will help us understand how a paid subscription service
will affect the Avalon forum.

Thanks,
Kevin - Project Avalon Spiritual Mediator

Hi Kevin,
I haven't read the replies on this thread so I dunno what others are saying, my points are:

This is tough one because even though I have enjoyed being a part of the Forum and totally support and are deeply grateful to Bill and Kerry for what they do, I'm not sure I will stay if there is subscription.

Without wishing to get all political my gut feeling is simply that a community like this should be an 'ACCESS ALL AREAS' situation for everyone, no exclusions and for that reason alone it should BE FREE, no charge, no fee.

My reason is that we are living in and through exceptional times and the free-flow and unobstructed passage of ideas and information is both vital and essential.

One for all and all for one...I say!

PEACE OUT

[tom]

I suppose i could give up my irish pork link's we all have to make sacrifices.

[TAXMASTER]

I think it would be a good idea to have a donate now button tied to paypal and those that receive value will want to pay for it. hopefully that will pay the bills. if it doesn't then there is always plan 2.

Namaste'

[sammytray]

Build it and they will come!

How about invoking the laws of attraction...

If I were to "ask" for the finances to help humanity, would the finances be there by simply "seeing" the expenses of running this forum/site PAID?

I would pay $5/month for "awakening" as many as possible. Yes I would, I would attract the money to do so.

I would state "if this forum still has more to offer, than the finances will be available" The cost of as many as possible acting as one strong consciousness to help bring in the New paradigm?????? PRICELESS

Ask ye shall receive!

[nibiru]

1) a genuine truth seeker will always seek anywhere he/she can find pieces of the puzzle to establish his/her own version of the truth...the law of attraction also works for he/she/them that profoundly and deeply in their hearts search for the real thing...when the pupil is ready the master will appear in his/her life-path...
2) there is an universal law that can be described as : Service to others-service to self... There has to be an equilibrium between both...even at sunday´s church the dish is passed to support the cause...
3) it may be that this splendid door to information might be closed for many who won´t afford it...thus making proyect avalon´s and camelot´s principal mission unavailable to many and therefore will not fulfill their cosmic task...
4) if there is a task to be fulfilled, the universe itself will load proyect avalon and camelot with the necessary abundance to fulfill...the universe itself will take care by connecting bill and kerry with the right people to gather funds for the development of both proyects ....and fulfill....
4) we are all cocreator god/godesses and we all cocreate our own reality...always remember that please....if we as a whole benefit from this site i don´t see the problem in helping finance pa and pc.... Like little ants we all can give away in response and gratitude towards the people involved in serving us in such a great way....helping us in aquiring awareness and the big picture of what is going on in this planetary school...

[nibiru]

I´m in...

Bill,

IMO, DVDs in high definition would be a great way to make money for Camelot. DVD Roms can hold up to 4gb of info. Most new computers support DVD rom drives.
There is also a free windows media encoder that you download for free from Microsoft that will convert all of your video to High Definition.

DVD Roms can be purchased at any department store such as wal-mart, target, best buy, or radio shack.

Peace,
Suriel aka Kevin

[orb]

It's no more than $65 a month for a dedicated server, and $200 a year for Vbulletin, Totalling $980 a year.

Put up a paypal link, and ask everyone to put up a donation. With 69,000 subscribers, if you get a 1 in 300 payment of $5, then you will get $1150 per year enough to cover costs. If you get 5 in 100 at $5 it is 17,500.

If you require a good hosting service for a dedicated server and any help to move it over, let me know, I can do it for free.

Edited:
The issue with the subscription is that alot of people who need the information the most do not have credit cards, for example I use a prepaid mastercard linked to my paypal, but it can be a hassle to get money on it. Not everyone has credit setups. Paypal can go against a bank account, however a monthly subscription might catch a poor person at a time the have no money in an account then costing a NSF charge. So a one off donation would allow them to maybe put $10 in their account and let paypal clear it.

[Help Me Become]

I have to say I would not likely pay a subscription either. By charging a fee you perpetuate the exisitence of the monitory system, the very system that has brought to its knees the world as we know it. What needs to be done to keep it free. Free exchange of ideas and experience is the only way to change our world for the better

[Rebel4Life]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4886 there it is. Why are a selected number under review? I looked in my account any my comments made in that thread are not there no more.

[LadyShankari]

oh sorry i got my 75,000 figure from the "posts", sorry my err

[Karen]

Originally Posted by Rebel4Life

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=4886 there it is. Why are a selected number under review? I looked in my account any my comments made in that thread are not there no more.

hi, that link you posted, it goes to a page not found. are you saying is is back out on the public forum. Can you send a link again? Are there other key words besides common law? Carol explained why threads were being moved to review in a thread here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7124

[eraser2012]

Bill/Kerry: what about a 1-time registration fee when you sign up of like $5? This would surely more than pay for the hosting and management of Avalon. I understand entirely that there are costs to do what you are doing.. I think we all understand that. I know you plan to offer a discounted subscription for those who can't afford the $5/mo, but this information needs to be public domain.

Another alternative, which might make much more sense, is to go ahead and either have sponsors for the site who can then advertise (limited, of course) for supporting the site OR make a wide and strong appeal for financial contributions by those who value your mission (like most of us here). This would be a voluntary option and you are likely to have more than a few of us who might cough up enough cash in total to support the site for the next 12 months or so.

Anyway it it sliced, Project Avalon will likely suffer substantially from a subscription edict both from a population/audience standpoint and from a content standpoint. I hope an alternative can be worked out. (Can you combine Camelot and Avalon to just one site to reduce overhead?)

ATTENTION: SEEKING A HERO (OR HEROIN!) WHO HAS THE MEANS AND UNDERSTANDS THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS INFORMATION AND FORUM TO DONATE WHATEVER THEY FEEL APPROPRIATE TO PROTECT THE VITAL ACCESS TO THE PROJECT AVALON COMMUNITY.

I hope Bill/Kerry that you can provide the community with a donation goal sufficient to meet your expenses and needs for the next 12 months and that you will provide some benefit to anybody donating over a certain amount (such as recognition, special honor, etc).

All the best guys

Originally Posted by eraser2012

This would surely more than pay for the hosting and management of Avalon.

As has been said, the HOSTING of Avalon costs very little... the money is for world tours to chat with whistle blowers... Nice work if you can get it...

77% also did not do the math...

A goodbye thread... how appropriate...

Originally Posted by Reunite

I think not listening to 77% of their supporters suggesting other means to generate an income is career suicide, in saying that I wish Bill & Kerry all the best of luck in the future.

Not really if you look at the numbers... and I too agree with you that its not the money (though 60.00 a years IS outrageous) but the principle.

How can you purport to be a whistle blower on government and PTB wrong doing and greed, then say you will charge for it?

Now then, lets look at the numbers for a minute and put this in perspective...


Fee... 60.00 a year...

Current members as of today...

5,342 times 60 equals $320,520.00

Active Members as of today... about 50%

2,651 times 60 equals $159,060.00

If only half of the ACTIVE members pony up the loot (25% of total members)... that still leaves $79,530.00 a year income. Not to shabby where I come from.

Most of us have to work HARD to get even close to half that for a yearly income, but this money will be used so the Camelot crew can travel around the world to talk to people (who may or may not have anything of value to say, truth wise, as recent wrong predictions have shown)

Add the book sales, t-shirts, coffee mugs and CD's/DVD's and you have a very lucrative business.

Impressive Maybe I should reconsider 'getting into the business' After all ATS is now worth over $250,000.00

So the book is already at 1500 pages in draft form. Seems to me this was planned all along. Hoagland would be proud. Don't forget the Press Club in Washington release. RH sold a LOT of copies from that release

Congratulations for joining the ranks of "Truth for Megabucks" whistle blowers. May you live well in your posh resort in Australia while the ground crews scramble for cover in the dirt when the SHTF, as it so obviously will according to all the 'info' spread here.

Now excuse me... I have to make some changes on the front page of my website

[Lotus]

I guess we won't be reading anymore zorgon