Bill Ryan's thread - Page 16

sloper · 12-12-2009, 07:15 PM

There is something about Steven Greer as a human being that has never added up to me. There is an incongruence there, as though he is not hooked up to his core, pretending to be something he is not.

However, unless he has said he is now gay, or unless we have a picture of his head attached in a picture with another man, I don't buy the Manhunter ad. I really don't buy the little essay he wrote about what he likes and what he doesn't sexually. For one reason, he doesn't strike me as that sophisticated. For another, he has said his family was one of the founders of the country. Do you really think he would put himself in that position in an ad? To me, this is a blatant set up and another distraction from the issues we care about.

What next? Will we be seeing Bill in a bustier and whip, Kerry in a dog collar? Deagle in a tutu?

Dadrious · 12-12-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sloper

What next? Will we be seeing Bill in a bustier and whip, Kerry in a dog collar? Deagle in a tutu?

IMU · 12-12-2009, 07:30 PM

I'm still interested in how someone could find Greer's ad? Unfortunately noone's nature can be changed regardless to the matter that his ancestors were the founders of the US...

I have a question to you, Bill:
Have you heard anything about Clifford Stone and Jim Sparks recently?
Clifford has a very similar opinion about the visitors as Greer's. Cliff says that they are absolutely not hostile and the real danger is us. He seems to know nothing about the Reptilians (as such) or the Annunaki or the Illuminati. He says his friend, Korona is a Reptilian (?) He's a very generous Christian man and I believe his words. There's a very good interview with him on www.consciousmedianetwork.com in the "interviews" section. Highly recommendable. Are you considering interviewing him once again or Jim Sparks? What is your opinion about Whitley Strieber? Sorry for the number of questions... Love ya Kerry and Bill!

MaskMarvl · 12-23-2009, 03:30 PM

When I first discovered the "Disclosure Project" and saw the video, I was amazed at Greer's courage, witnesses and testimonys... Perhaps TPTB also took notice of his actions and have somehow "compromised" him? Perhaps he had the best of intensions at the start, but perhaps now, he may not even be in total control of his own life...

Carol · 12-23-2009, 05:17 PM

Greer took the high road. His focus and intention is on raising others consciousness through meditation and leading groups of people in contacting ETs in the spirit of Universal Peace. Since all of his ET contacts have been positive with full recall and in a state of heightened conscious awareness his ET experiences are positive.

He has not been compromised. He just evolved.

There is the saying that water seeks its own level. The same can be said for the energetic vibrational frequency one resonates at. As a person becomes more committed to the spiritual path its possible for there to be more discordant interactions from those people who are operating at a denser energetic frequency.

I would also like to add that TPTB targeted Greer and his partner for death. Subsequently both got a rare form of cancer. Greer's partner died but he was able to beat it. It is no wonder his life took another direction after years and years of doing what he could to bring disclosure at the governmental level. He realized it was not going to happen ~ TPTB, the shawdow government were never going to allow it. Even President Clinton told Greer that he would have to do it himself because if he, Clinton disclosed, TPTB would kill him. One needs to understand the personal history of Greer in order to see how he has evolved in his endevor to wake people up.

Dr. Greer is a man who has devoted his entire life to helping others at great personal sacrifice. One only has to look at his history to know that he is a man of geat integrity and spiritually motivated.

lightwalker · 12-23-2009, 10:22 PM

Thank you Bill and Kerry for all that you have done in presenting me with multiple viewpoints for me to ponder. At least one things for sure......there is a lot more going on than we are and have been consciously aware of. I am so glad that you cannot prove anything. And we can all just hash it all out here on this forum and have a good time doing it. I loved your interview of 2 + hours, without a break on Freedom Central !

So my comment/request to you is in the area of your experience with your lady friend Angie. You spoke of the incident where-in you were so emotionally challenged when she up and left (who wouldn't be !) that you were unable to move physically. And I am just paraphrasing this experience of yours. My request is.....when your "visitors" came and assisted you in helping you "clear the charge" (which is a Scientology phrase is it not?)...

....can you tell us more of that and what exactly did you experience and do you think you could or have you tried to do that again on your own? And was it completely permanent in that you did not have future challenges in that arena of someone abruptly leaving you or any emotional challenge for that matter?

And since you did have assistance do you not think that we can also create or should I say co-create forms of assistance with those visitors that are interested in our well-being?

From my own understanding there is a quarantine on this planet which will be lifted 2012 (also something I cannot prove for anyone here who needs proof) and I have learned that "they" cannot do for us, we need to do it ourselves. Which from my perspective means that we DO have the power within us to create the positive, aligned, world harmony that we all so desire.

I believe that there are both positive and negative perspectives both human and ET. My choice is to align with the positive of course, but to be aware of that which is not and use the most powerful tool I know of, which is love, to represent who I am as human. Again, thank you for all that both of you have given in this awesome journey to enlightenment.

lightwalker

abraxasinas · 12-27-2009, 06:40 PM

Hi All!

I have posted some scientific content on what Steven Greer 'seems' to be trying to convey about no 'bad' aliens.

I have worked on the science of consciousness for decades (I have a science degree, which is a bit old now from Queensland Australia in the 1980s), but specialise in pioneering mainstream standard models in physics (cosmology and particle physics).

Now the thing with Steven Greer was the following. I viewed the interview with Bill and Kerry and found Steven's comments in just about 95% line with my own work.
Then I watched his Barcelona (or Madrid?) representation and found a GENERAL convergence in his address with everything else know about through my own research.

I normally do not engage in 'persona' debates on public forums; but I experienced a resonating electromagnetic 'spark' when I viewed Greer's interview with Bill and Kerry.
This wasn't persona oriented, but related to what he said.
This is unusual (and I do converse with many people on an impersonal - just data -level) and therefore did I take the time to check things out.
Now today, reading much of your comments and the debates here and on the Bill Ryan thread; I learn about 'money' and 'sexual' issues about Steven Greer and this (in the former not the second as the second has rather important implications to 'harmonise' and to metamorphosise the 'old human' cosmic Id into a 'new starhuman' Id) of course does indeed ALLOW a kind of double-agent role wrt his proclaimed agenda.

Allow me to state, that I have tried to personally contact Steven Greer via his website and I shall refine my 'analysis' as to his integrity of stated purpose if and when I get a reply from him.
I shall inform the forum here about any developments.
I have also sent the post (to Steven Greer) to Bill and Kerry.

Lastly, allow me to state that there are wonderful people on this forum and whilst there seem to be some disagreements in interpreations; all contributions I have read derive from a well above the norm 'understanding of the true spirituality' inherent in all of the old human caterpillars who have fed enough to enter their cocoons to transform into a new and hitherto utopian 'butterflies of joy and love'.

There does exist a 'Secret of Humanity' and this 'secret' addresses your cosmic identies, both individually and collectively.
The difference between those two modes (you are all at more places simultaneously and your own doppelgaengers or shadows) - is at the basis of the 'good ET- - 'bad ET' dichotomy.

John Shadow

franciejones · 12-27-2009, 11:06 PM

I think its funny that early on in this thread that I replied to a post and was "reprimanded" for it by a mod...yet here many others are doing it and none of their posts are being edited by a mod....what the heck? I know the mods do not like me...but fair is fair right?

qbeac · 12-28-2009, 02:51 AM

Context and recent news:

Hi everybody, this is a clarification note about my previous posts (pag. 20. #478 and pag. 20. #494) regarding “real” versus “faked-Bluebeam” ET disclosure scenario (good ETs vs. dark ETs)”, because today I’ve just read two articles from two PC interviewees (David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford) who seem to give contradictory info about Barack Obama.

So, one of them must not be correct.

I highly recommend their two articles, they are very interesting.

In summary:

Benjamin Fulford thinks Obama is just another puppet of the dark elite (or cabal).

David Wilcock thinks Obama is a good guy supported by a good faction named the “New Kremlin”.

Benjamin Fulford’s comments about Barack Obama
December 28, 2009
http://benjaminfulford.net/2009/12/2...b-250-billion/

Excerpt:

… First let us re-cap the New World Order moves towards a fascistic world government in 2009. It started with the inauguration of Barack Obama as president. At first everybody was hopeful but, it did not take long for the truth to sink in.

Obama was a Nazi puppet who broke all his important promises and refused to withdraw from Iraq, failed to close the Guantanamo torture camp and actually increased the amount of troops in Afghanistan. Later, he attempted to make himself de-facto world President by taking the post of head of the UN Security council, in direct violation of the US constitution. To bolster his position he was given the Nobel “peace” prize….

David Wilcock’s comments about Barack Obama
Dec-24-09
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...ndgame?start=2

Excerpt (Pag. 3-5):

… As we have been saying all along -- both from our intuitive data and with credible insider testimony and research to back it up -- Obama did not fit this mold. He was never supposed to win the apparently 'rigged' 2008 election. Hillary -- Bill's wife -- was the 'selected' candidate.

As redundantly explained by the "Voice of the White House" source on TBRNews.org, the insiders were terrified because Obama was not blackmailable, despite what Skolnick said about most other presidential candidates here.

Thus, we have seen a variety of 'weird violence' directed against him and his circle, as expected -- but we'll get into that later on.

(…)

The insider propaganda machine of the Rockefeller / Rothschild military-industrial complex has done a fantastic job of channeling our collective Internet fear-porn addiction towards a single target: President Obama.

(…)

… Obama was never supposed to win – despite a highly impressive amount of propaganda that has now been released on the Internet to suggest otherwise.

The Illuminati / Rothschild faction wanted Hillary, and the New World Order / Rockefeller faction wanted McCain.

(…)

Say what you want, but once you have enough background to see that this world of insider occult politics is far from a unified system where everyone is on the same team, you can clearly see how the different factions took their sides in the last election.

Note from qbeac: David Wilcok’s article is very long, I recommend reading the whole thing, but I’ll just summarize several important points of what David says:

a) David says there are at least three main factions in the power structure of this world (pag. 3-5):

1.- The Rockefeller / New World Order / Neocon faction (which Beter calls the Rockefeller Cartel);

2.- The Rothschild / European Illuminati faction (which Beter calls the Bolshevik-Zionist axis, but identifies with the Rothschilds), and

3.- Faction Three (*1), or what I call the New International Coalition, whose roots are interconnected with what Beter calls the Christian "New Kremlin" faction in Russia.

(*1) Note from qbeac: Faction 3 are the “good guys”, according to David Wilcock
b) David says (or implies) that Barack Obama is a good guy supported by the “good guys”: Faction Three (New Kremlin).

c) David says (or implies) that Obama’s disclosure should be the “real” disclosure of positive ETs; also, that the norwegian lights were a sign from the good guys (New Kremlin) performed by sophisticated technology (HAARP or similar) to “remind” (or put pressure on) the dark elite that real disclosure should be done imminently by Obama… etc.

Questions to Bill and Kerry:

1) David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford are both Project Camelot interviewees, but they seem to have contradictory opinions about Barack Obama…

… so, one of them must not be correct, so:

Would it be possible for you (PC) to interview them both (David and Benjamin… inviting also Alex Jones would be even better) at the same time (Ex: by Skype), so that you all can debate and try to clarify the “Obama mystery”?
For instance: Is Obama good, dark, a good double agent, a dark double agent? Is he being supported by good or dark factions? Will the Obama’s ET disclosure be the real one or a faked one (Bluebeam)? Is it really possible for a USA presidential candidate to be elected “unless” he receives the full support of the MSM? And that has been very much indeed the case with Obama, he’s been ALL OVER the MSM, he appears everywhere: TV, newspapers, magazines, etc. But we thought the dark elite controls just about all MSM, is that correct? So, what’s going on here? Perhaps the New Kremlin faction also controls a portion of MSM, or what…??? Something doesn’t add up... etc.

2) Same questions about the “Dr. Steven Greer mystery”.

3) Bill, please, if you have a chance, take a look at my previous questions regarding this topic in pag. 20. #478 and pag. 20. #494, and especially the possibility of having two different versions of Project Bluebeam, the “bad” version (invasion by bad ETs) and the “nice” version (bad ETs disguising themselves as good ETs, like in the TV series “V”).

Thanks. qbeac.

FastMax · 12-28-2009, 03:00 AM

Hi all,

I believe that everything is perfect Right Here, Right Now. And Right Here Right Now is all there is.

Forget about the past. It does not exist, except in your memory. Drop it. And stop worrying about how you're going to get through tomorrow. Life is going on Right Here, Right Now -- pay attention to that and all will be well.

Embrace the present moment with gratefulness and wonder, and you will turn it into whatever you have been waiting for.

shiftmonkey · 12-28-2009, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by FastMax

Hi all,

I believe that everything is perfect Right Here, Right Now. And Right Here Right Now is all there is.

Forget about the past. It does not exist, except in your memory. Drop it. And stop worrying about how you're going to get through tomorrow. Life is going on Right Here, Right Now -- pay attention to that and all will be well.

Embrace the present moment with gratefulness and wonder, and you will turn it into whatever you have been waiting for.

I like that

carriblu · 12-28-2009, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FastMax

Hi all,

I believe that everything is perfect Right Here, Right Now. And Right Here Right Now is all there is.

Forget about the past. It does not exist, except in your memory. Drop it. And stop worrying about how you're going to get through tomorrow. Life is going on Right Here, Right Now -- pay attention to that and all will be well.

Embrace the present moment with gratefulness and wonder, and you will turn it into whatever you have been waiting for.

hey i appreciate the positive vibe but would like to say that this is bad advice. understanding the past and past experiences are cruicial for learning and growth. forgetting the past is not accomplishing anything except escaping it - if you really had a button to forget all the bad things that have happend to you, would you really push it? didnt you learn so much? i would also like to say that the message you're sending is what the bad guys in the V series said in the last episode to get everyone under their influence (just something funny to think about, cus it made me stop and think about it). and as for everything being perfect right here right now, that is simply not true.

HENNA · 12-28-2009, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by qbeac

Context and recent news:

Hi everybody, this is a clarification note about my previous post (pag. 20. #478) regarding “real” versus “faked-Bluebeam” ET disclosure scenario (good ETs vs. dark ETs)”, because today I’ve just read two articles from two PC interviewees (David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford) who seem to give contradictory info about Barack Obama.

So, one of them must not be correct.

That is weird, I just got done reading the whole Wilcock ebook. Anyway, I am usually a fan of David's, some times things that he says raises a "mind flag" with me though. I have only read a couple things of Fulfords. His economic tales seem a bit wack..but that is just me.

As far as the Obama opinions, I would have to side with Fulford on this one. Something is just not right with David's story. He is fully defending (and is accusing anyone that doesn't agree of being a fear monger) a communist set of ideals and says that it is ok to do this because they are not one of the other 2 factions, so they must be good guys. I can't in good conscious stand behind socialist ideals because they coincide with a faction that might be behind a disclosure movement.
Does disclosure automatically give us free energy, peace on earth, no illness, no war, no pollution and a Kumbaya song for all? I am thinking the truth is what is right, disclosure is right, but it is not going to solve all our problems. Neither is Obama

12-28-2009, 01:29 PM

Hi Bill

Would it be possible to get PC whistle blowers and other people you interviewed (including Greer) all together in one room....no cameras...not tape recorders...no "outside people" and let them talk to each-other...exchange experiences...compare notes....solve and re-solve the contradictions....

no need to come out with the working 0 energy device or a detailed plan on how to make it...you made it clear not doing that keeps you all alive...ok

but how about coming out (in general...no great specifics if you can not) with some common ground you can all work on....

the point is in getting together...insiders connecting the dots...better organization....better knowledge...gaining an advantage....solving the BIG QUESTION....focusing on the main point....setting a goal....finding the final answer....

i am willing to donate (more than people donate on average) to that cause happening...and I think there are many others that would see the benefit for all of us in this happening that would also donate (if need be)...like traveling expenses etc...

etc

EDIT:typos

qbeac · 12-28-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cardillac

@qbeac-

hello- thank you for posting your thoughts-…..

Thank you, Cardillac, I guess all of us are trying to figure out “the Big Picture” (the main and most important elements of the puzzle) and also the way in which we all can help to bring to fruition a better future for this world. One think anybody can do is SPREAD THE WORD of what’s going on, because all of this is being censored in MSM. So, I encourage people to do that: tell everybody, tell your friends, family, local authorities, etc. Speak out!

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Originally Posted by Spregovori

Hi Bill

Would it be possible to get PC whistle blowers and other people you interviewed (including Greer) all together in one room....no cameras...not tape recorders...no "outside people" and let them talk to each-other...exchange experiences...compare notes....solve and re-solve the contradictions....

Very good point, Spregovori, I agree with it. Now that many whistle blowers have explained their view points, it would be good to see them get together and debate their different perspectives. I would also support more “open PC debates” among their different whistle blowers.

That would also help us (regular people) to see what info is correct, wrong, disinfo, etc.

qbeac · 12-28-2009, 02:32 PM

Questions to Bill and Kerry:

Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)?

I guess they might be quite busy, and a talking debate (by Skype) might be easier and not so time consuming as a writing one. But perhaps they wouldn’t mind showing up and giving us a few clues, or links, etc. Well, it’s just an idea.

Another idea: Would Dr. Steven Greer show up in this thread and let us (regular people) ask him questions?

housemouse2 · 12-28-2009, 02:50 PM

Hi everyone,

I would like to add one other possibility for Obama. We have all heard of something called a "false flag" where the government does something and blames it on an enemy.

IMHO Obama is a false flag. He's very charming, likable and over all very entertaining. Like an actor, a Hollywood actor.

When Obama was first elected I found the magazines comparing him to previous presidents like Lincoln, JFK and Roosevelt rather disturbing. First he hadn't done anything yet but what I found most disturbing was the trio all died in office.

I recall an awful lot of predictions of Obama being assassinated. The new reported he receives 30 death threats a day...something else I found odd for our propaganda news source to report.

In all I believe Obama was appointed for the sole purpose of "dying" in office and becoming a martyr. I do not think he will actually die but rather his death will faked. Obama swept away to a isolated island.

Once Obama is supposedly dead I expect to see a fury of activity to get non popular measures passed in his memory. Obama has already been elevated by the media to that of a god. They have called him a messiah.

Obama is an actor on a stage.

THEWATCHER · 12-28-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by qbeac

Questions to Bill and Kerry:

Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)?

I guess they might be quite busy, and a talking debate (by Skype) might be easier and not so time consuming as a writing one. But perhaps they wouldn’t mind showing up and giving us a few clues, or links, etc. Well, it’s just an idea.

Another idea: Would Dr. Steven Greer show up in this thread and let us (regular people) ask him questions?

LOL you have some hope there asking if any of these 'super-duper' megastar interviewees come here and talk, facing the public directly LOL LOL Hell will freeze over first LOL

Daft Ada · 12-28-2009, 08:08 PM

You won't get David Wilcock on here where people can say what they want to him, he will only accept Ego stroking and praise, you only have to look at the comments he allows to be posted on his site to see that. Anything that doesn't agree with his views or that arrent complements for him, gets deleted.

synaxis · 12-28-2009, 08:15 PM

The recent comments by qbeac & Spregovori on resolving contradictory/inconsistent information raise an important issue.

qbeac (#527) mentioned an inconsistency in the views of Benjamin Fulford and David Wilcock on Obama. Here's another example.

In an article posted today, Fulford explains as follows re: the Nov 09 hacking of emails from a server at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia:

"Russian BDS [Black Dragon Society] members hacked the East Anglia University computers and proved the "global warming" campaign was based on false data."

http://benjaminfulford.net/2009/12/2...b-250-billion/

David Wilcock provides a very different account in "Disclosure Endgame" part 3:

"As of November 2009, the Rockefeller faction -- now in complete free-fall after losing the 2008 election -- was almost certainly responsible for leaking the "Climategate" emails. This was a blatant, desperate attempt to destroy the credibility of any arguments to reduce our fossil fuel consumption -- and thereby preserve whatever shreds of economic power and oil money they still have at this point."

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...ndgame?start=2

These are very different accounts of the same incident.

I agree with Spregovori/532 re: the need to create a situation whereby contradictions in the testimony of PC whistleblowers and others can be resolved. This would help to clarify the point where assumptions are shaping the interpretation of the facts. Ideally this process should be open for input from others.

powerviolence · 12-29-2009, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by qbeac

Questions to Bill and Kerry:

Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)?

I guess they might be quite busy, and a talking debate (by Skype) might be easier and not so time consuming as a writing one. But perhaps they wouldn’t mind showing up and giving us a few clues, or links, etc. Well, it’s just an idea.

Another idea: Would Dr. Steven Greer show up in this thread and let us (regular people) ask him questions?

You ever think that both wilcock and fulford are probably wrong?

powerviolence · 12-29-2009, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by qbeac

Questions to Bill and Kerry:

Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)?

I guess they might be quite busy, and a talking debate (by Skype) might be easier and not so time consuming as a writing one. But perhaps they wouldn’t mind showing up and giving us a few clues, or links, etc. Well, it’s just an idea.

Another idea: Would Dr. Steven Greer show up in this thread and let us (regular people) ask him questions?

You ever think that both wilcock and fulford are probably wrong?

EDIT: And To further elaborate, isn't obama a proven skull & bones member? in other words, obama is a full blown illuminati member, which rules out ANY "white knight" scenario, which was absolutely ridiculous in the first place, obama was "elected" because the factions behind him decided to make it appear so, they portrayed mccain as a babbling outdated man and obama as a charismatic, ethnic, young sharp guy, remember these people are actors, that wasn't no coincidence. Does David Wilcock think that Obama somehow defeated both Rothschild and Rockefeller interestes? how? through the electoral process? you gotta be kidding me does Wilcock know anything?

Never in the history of mankind has a US president been some kind of radical white angel working from the inside, he was born and raised illuminati, he was trained for his role, he knows what's gonna happen, just like bush, just like all of them, they appear to be pawns, they are to some extent, but they will never, ever be, any type of positive force, they are all illuminati, they are all working for the same agenda.

And to top of that, we all know secret goverment is the real goverment, not the mainstream media white house/congress soap opera they feed people, you gotta be kidding me guys, ANYBODY who talks about obama like he's gonna make something happen or like he's a symbol of any importance is obviously uninformed in the workings of the US govt.

Bobbie · 12-29-2009, 04:18 PM

Agreed - I guess there is a remote possibility that he's a double agent working with the Great White Brotherhood and was sent in undercover to make the Elites think he is one of them and then he'll pull a whammy on them....but, naaah, probably not. Once again - forgive the intrusion into Bill's thread - I'll say no more.

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Originally Posted by powerviolence

You ever think that both wilcock and fulford are probably wrong?

EDIT: And To further elaborate, isn't obama a proven skull & bones member? in other words, obama is a full blown illuminati member, which rules out ANY "white knight" scenario, which was absolutely ridiculous in the first place, obama was "elected" because the factions behind him decided to make it appear so, they portrayed mccain as a babbling outdated man and obama as a charismatic, ethnic, young sharp guy, remember these people are actors, that wasn't no coincidence. Does David Wilcock think that Obama somehow defeated both Rothschild and Rockefeller interestes? how? through the electoral process? you gotta be kidding me does Wilcock know anything?

Never in the history of mankind has a US president been some kind of radical white angel working from the inside, he was born and raised illuminati, he was trained for his role, he knows what's gonna happen, just like bush, just like all of them, they appear to be pawns, they are to some extent, but they will never, ever be, any type of positive force, they are all illuminati, they are all working for the same agenda.

And to top of that, we all know secret goverment is the real goverment, not the mainstream media white house/congress soap opera they feed people, you gotta be kidding me guys, ANYBODY who talks about obama like he's gonna make something happen or like he's a symbol of any importance is obviously uninformed in the workings of the US govt.

bashi · 12-30-2009, 10:00 PM

Hi, i am new here.
After all the info put out and interviews done by Bill and Kerry, it has become quite clear that mankind is at a crucial junction for its future development. At the same time we are under massive influence and attack by the “dark” side in order to facilitate a particular outcome which for most of us is not desirable.
The workings of the “dark” powers are by most of us not well understood and definitely underestimated. I guess that just few of us were attacked, manipulated or influenced and came out of it unharmed and complete.
Because the playing – level of this “war for our souls” reaches far beyond the material world as we normally know it. We are not talking about weapons or jump-rooms, but about Mind Control, Spiritual Energies, Possession etc.
So how to make a difference? How to become spiritually stronger to stand up against the onslaught? Somehow we have to start, and believe me: Its a long way to go from here…
There is a saying: “Be the change you want to see”.
I think there is a lot of wisdom in it.
Or: “Don’t do to others, what you do not want to be done to yourself”.
What does it mean practically?
We are complaining that the Reptilians are eating human flesh. From their standpoint, why shouldn’t they? They are much more than we are in almost all aspects. Therefore they are regarding us as a resource – as livestock. Are they not having the same approach as we have towards “lower” animals? Additionally we are the only species on earth which is killing itself in Millions, either actively or inactively through hunger, untreated diseases etc. We don’t care for our own species, so why should they?
Eat and be eaten, that’s then the rule . An eye for an eye.
We are only complaining, because we are not at the top of the food-chain, and therefore we fear to be eaten. Don’t you think a cow would not be afraid, if it realizes that it ends up at the abattoir?
Have you heard that the “higher” spiritually developed, benevolent alien races are slaughtering “lower” animals and are eating them? I learned only about “Fruitarians”, drinking “liquid light” or direct energy assimilation.
So, for our (selfish) benefit, I want to make a strong case for becoming a vegetarian. In my opinion that’s one of the base stones for a strong spiritual development and protection. You don’t have to become member of any group or sect to start it. If you would really listen to your heart, then you would already be a vegetarian.
Before talking about how to gain psychic powers to fight the “dark” enemy, you should be sure about your personal moral stand. Power without love and compassion is extremly dangerous.
My opinion is: Develop your heart and LOVE first. Because in that field we are by far superior than the Reptilians and many other alien races. You can´t fight with a Reptilian by using weapons or psychic powers, because you are bound to loose. But what you can do is to respect and LOVE them.
Yes , I am serious: LOVE the Reptilians !
Because they can´t stand the high LOVE vibration and they will retreat and leave you alone (probably only for some time until they learned their lesson, because they are very stubborn).
That’s how to make a stand and keep the battle ground.
Start with yourself: Fight the temptation of the tongue and become a veggie. Then discuss within your friends and family. That’s to start making a difference.
Becoming a veggie is a first step to improved protection; because the more exposed you are, the more vicious the attacks. That’s not easy: Once they are hooked into you, your chances are diminished. Many are getting lead away into the dark, only to never resurface without help.
While I am not sure that Dr. Greer has been able to protect himself, I noticed that Bill and Kerry are seemingly doing well. And I don’t think that’s only because of the White Hat´s protective Psi-Ops.

So, my question to Bill:
"You briefly mentioned in the Freedom Central interview that you are doing some daily spiritual exercise.
Can you elaborate on that without creating a new sect?"

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hippihillbobbi · 12-30-2009, 11:00 PM

:cheerfu l_h4h:

i LOVE you people, and i LOVE PC/PA, and Bill & Kerry, and this thread! so much great info .... so many inspiring spirits .... such "inquiring minds"!!!

Bill -- this is my question -- do you think there are any defectors from the Reptilian overlords (Reptilian whistleblowers i guess) who would really like to help the "masses" of us to become awake/aware-enough re: the above-top-secret stuff (how we are being controlled/manipulated, off-planet bases and civilizations, free energy, etc.) that we can more consciously and deliberately as a race (human) strive to save our mother-earth and contribute to the well-being of our fellow travellers. In other words, is it possible for these entities ("royal reptilians") to empathize/sympathize with human beings enough to reject their own heritage to try to help us in a truly compassionate way??? would this be analagous to a human being who tries to help/save cattle from being used to advance our human agenda???

Thanks so much, bill & kerry, for sharing yourselves so generously. you are real heroes! May those of us who have come to respect your work and love your spirit follow your examples of courage, vision, and generosity. ya'll are Love Personified(at least on your best days!) Your friends and fans are MUCH blessed!

12-12-2009, 07:15 PM	#1
sloper Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 12	Re: Bill Ryan's thread There is something about Steven Greer as a human being that has never added up to me. There is an incongruence there, as though he is not hooked up to his core, pretending to be something he is not. However, unless he has said he is now gay, or unless we have a picture of his head attached in a picture with another man, I don't buy the Manhunter ad. I really don't buy the little essay he wrote about what he likes and what he doesn't sexually. For one reason, he doesn't strike me as that sophisticated. For another, he has said his family was one of the founders of the country. Do you really think he would put himself in that position in an ad? To me, this is a blatant set up and another distraction from the issues we care about. What next? Will we be seeing Bill in a bustier and whip, Kerry in a dog collar? Deagle in a tutu?

12-12-2009, 07:30 PM	#3
IMU Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17	Re: Bill Ryan's thread I'm still interested in how someone could find Greer's ad? Unfortunately noone's nature can be changed regardless to the matter that his ancestors were the founders of the US... I have a question to you, Bill: Have you heard anything about Clifford Stone and Jim Sparks recently? Clifford has a very similar opinion about the visitors as Greer's. Cliff says that they are absolutely not hostile and the real danger is us. He seems to know nothing about the Reptilians (as such) or the Annunaki or the Illuminati. He says his friend, Korona is a Reptilian (?) He's a very generous Christian man and I believe his words. There's a very good interview with him on www.consciousmedianetwork.com in the "interviews" section. Highly recommendable. Are you considering interviewing him once again or Jim Sparks? What is your opinion about Whitley Strieber? Sorry for the number of questions... Love ya Kerry and Bill!

12-23-2009, 10:22 PM	#6
lightwalker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Milford CT USA Posts: 51	Re: Bill Ryan's thread Thank you Bill and Kerry for all that you have done in presenting me with multiple viewpoints for me to ponder. At least one things for sure......there is a lot more going on than we are and have been consciously aware of. *I am* *so glad that you cannot prove anything.* And we can all just hash it all out here on this forum and have a good time doing it. I loved your interview of 2 + hours, without a break on Freedom Central ! So my comment/request to you is in the area of your experience with your lady friend Angie. You spoke of the incident where-in you were so emotionally challenged when she up and left (who wouldn't be !) that you were unable to move physically. And I am just paraphrasing this experience of yours. My request is.....when your "visitors" came and assisted you in helping you "clear the charge" (which is a Scientology phrase is it not?)... ....can you tell us more of that and what exactly did you experience and do you think you could or have you tried to do that again on your own? And was it completely permanent in that you did not have future challenges in that arena of someone abruptly leaving you or any emotional challenge for that matter? And since you did have assistance do you not think that we can also create or should I say co-create forms of assistance with those visitors that are interested in our well-being? From my own understanding there is a quarantine on this planet which will be lifted 2012 (also something I cannot prove for anyone here who needs proof) and I have learned that "they" cannot do for us, we need to do it ourselves. Which from my perspective means that we DO have the power within us to create the positive, aligned, world harmony that we all so desire. I believe that there are both positive and negative perspectives both human and ET. My choice is to align with the positive of course, but to be aware of that which is not and use the most powerful tool I know of, which is love, to represent who I am as human. Again, thank you for all that both of you have given in this awesome journey to enlightenment. lightwalker

12-27-2009, 06:40 PM	#7
abraxasinas _ Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Queanbeyan/Canberra; NSW, Australia Posts: 635	Re: Bill Ryan's thread Hi All! I have posted some scientific content on what Steven Greer 'seems' to be trying to convey about no 'bad' aliens. I have worked on the science of consciousness for decades (I have a science degree, which is a bit old now from Queensland Australia in the 1980s), but specialise in pioneering mainstream standard models in physics (cosmology and particle physics). Now the thing with Steven Greer was the following. I viewed the interview with Bill and Kerry and found Steven's comments in just about 95% line with my own work. Then I watched his Barcelona (or Madrid?) representation and found a GENERAL convergence in his address with everything else know about through my own research. I normally do not engage in 'persona' debates on public forums; but I experienced a resonating electromagnetic 'spark' when I viewed Greer's interview with Bill and Kerry. This wasn't persona oriented, but related to what he said. This is unusual (and I do converse with many people on an impersonal - just data -level) and therefore did I take the time to check things out. Now today, reading much of your comments and the debates here and on the Bill Ryan thread; I learn about 'money' and 'sexual' issues about Steven Greer and this (in the former not the second as the second has rather important implications to 'harmonise' and to metamorphosise the 'old human' cosmic Id into a 'new starhuman' Id) of course does indeed ALLOW a kind of double-agent role wrt his proclaimed agenda. Allow me to state, that I have tried to personally contact Steven Greer via his website and I shall refine my 'analysis' as to his integrity of stated purpose if and when I get a reply from him. I shall inform the forum here about any developments. I have also sent the post (to Steven Greer) to Bill and Kerry. Lastly, allow me to state that there are wonderful people on this forum and whilst there seem to be some disagreements in interpreations; all contributions I have read derive from a well above the norm 'understanding of the true spirituality' inherent in all of the old human caterpillars who have fed enough to enter their cocoons to transform into a new and hitherto utopian 'butterflies of joy and love'. There does exist a 'Secret of Humanity' and this 'secret' addresses your cosmic identies, both individually and collectively. The difference between those two modes (you are all at more places simultaneously and your own doppelgaengers or shadows) - is at the basis of the 'good ET- - 'bad ET' dichotomy. John Shadow

12-27-2009, 11:06 PM	#8
franciejones Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 307	Re: Bill Ryan's thread I think its funny that early on in this thread that I replied to a post and was "reprimanded" for it by a mod...yet here many others are doing it and none of their posts are being edited by a mod....what the heck? I know the mods do not like me...but fair is fair right?

12-23-2009, 03:30 PM	#4
MaskMarvl Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mexico Posts: 35	Re: Bill Ryan's thread When I first discovered the "Disclosure Project" and saw the video, I was amazed at Greer's courage, witnesses and testimonys... Perhaps TPTB also took notice of his actions and have somehow "compromised" him? Perhaps he had the best of intensions at the start, but perhaps now, he may not even be in total control of his own life...

12-23-2009, 05:17 PM	#5
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: Bill Ryan's thread Greer took the high road. His focus and intention is on raising others consciousness through meditation and leading groups of people in contacting ETs in the spirit of Universal Peace. Since all of his ET contacts have been positive with full recall and in a state of heightened conscious awareness his ET experiences are positive. He has not been compromised. He just evolved. There is the saying that water seeks its own level. The same can be said for the energetic vibrational frequency one resonates at. As a person becomes more committed to the spiritual path its possible for there to be more discordant interactions from those people who are operating at a denser energetic frequency. I would also like to add that TPTB targeted Greer and his partner for death. Subsequently both got a rare form of cancer. Greer's partner died but he was able to beat it. It is no wonder his life took another direction after years and years of doing what he could to bring disclosure at the governmental level. He realized it was not going to happen ~ TPTB, the shawdow government were never going to allow it. Even President Clinton told Greer that he would have to do it himself because if he, Clinton disclosed, TPTB would kill him. One needs to understand the personal history of Greer in order to see how he has evolved in his endevor to wake people up. Dr. Greer is a man who has devoted his entire life to helping others at great personal sacrifice. One only has to look at his history to know that he is a man of geat integrity and spiritually motivated. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198 Last edited by Carol; 12-24-2009 at 02:05 PM.

12-28-2009, 02:51 AM	#9
qbeac Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 44	Re: Bill Ryan's thread Context and recent news: Hi everybody, this is a clarification note about my previous posts (pag. 20. #478 and pag. 20. #494) regarding “real” versus “faked-Bluebeam” ET disclosure scenario (good ETs vs. dark ETs)”, because today I’ve just read two articles from two PC interviewees (David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford) who seem to give contradictory info about Barack Obama. So, one of them must not be correct. I highly recommend their two articles, they are very interesting. In summary: Benjamin Fulford thinks Obama is just another puppet of the dark elite (or cabal). David Wilcock thinks Obama is a good guy supported by a good faction named the “New Kremlin”. Benjamin Fulford’s comments about Barack Obama December 28, 2009 http://benjaminfulford.net/2009/12/2...b-250-billion/ Excerpt: … First let us re-cap the New World Order moves towards a fascistic world government in 2009. It started with the inauguration of Barack Obama as president. At first everybody was hopeful but, it did not take long for the truth to sink in. Obama was a Nazi puppet who broke all his important promises and refused to withdraw from Iraq, failed to close the Guantanamo torture camp and actually increased the amount of troops in Afghanistan. Later, he attempted to make himself de-facto world President by taking the post of head of the UN Security council, in direct violation of the US constitution. To bolster his position he was given the Nobel “peace” prize…. David Wilcock’s comments about Barack Obama Dec-24-09 http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...ndgame?start=2 Excerpt (Pag. 3-5): … As we have been saying all along -- both from our intuitive data and with credible insider testimony and research to back it up -- Obama did not fit this mold. He was never supposed to win the apparently 'rigged' 2008 election. Hillary -- Bill's wife -- was the 'selected' candidate. As redundantly explained by the "Voice of the White House" source on TBRNews.org, the insiders were terrified because Obama was not blackmailable, despite what Skolnick said about most other presidential candidates here. Thus, we have seen a variety of 'weird violence' directed against him and his circle, as expected -- but we'll get into that later on. (…) The insider propaganda machine of the Rockefeller / Rothschild military-industrial complex has done a fantastic job of channeling our collective Internet fear-porn addiction towards a single target: President Obama. (…) … Obama was never supposed to win – despite a highly impressive amount of propaganda that has now been released on the Internet to suggest otherwise. The Illuminati / Rothschild faction wanted Hillary, and the New World Order / Rockefeller faction wanted McCain. (…) Say what you want, but once you have enough background to see that this world of insider occult politics is far from a unified system where everyone is on the same team, you can clearly see how the different factions took their sides in the last election. Note from qbeac: David Wilcok’s article is very long, I recommend reading the whole thing, but I’ll just summarize several important points of what David says: a) David says there are at least three main factions in the power structure of this world (pag. 3-5): 1.- The Rockefeller / New World Order / Neocon faction (which Beter calls the Rockefeller Cartel); 2.- The Rothschild / European Illuminati faction (which Beter calls the Bolshevik-Zionist axis, but identifies with the Rothschilds), and 3.- Faction Three (1), or what I call the New International Coalition, whose roots are interconnected with what Beter calls the Christian "New Kremlin" faction in Russia. (1) Note from qbeac: Faction 3 are the “good guys”, according to David Wilcock b) David says (or implies) that Barack Obama is a good guy supported by the “good guys”: Faction Three (New Kremlin). c) David says (or implies) that Obama’s disclosure should be the “real” disclosure of positive ETs; also, that the norwegian lights were a sign from the good guys (New Kremlin) performed by sophisticated technology (HAARP or similar) to “remind” (or put pressure on) the dark elite that real disclosure should be done imminently by Obama… etc. Questions to Bill and Kerry: 1) David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford are both Project Camelot interviewees, but they seem to have contradictory opinions about Barack Obama… … so, one of them must not be correct, so: Would it be possible for you (PC) to interview them both (David and Benjamin… inviting also Alex Jones would be even better) at the same time (Ex: by Skype), so that you all can debate and try to clarify the “Obama mystery”? For instance: Is Obama good, dark, a good double agent, a dark double agent? Is he being supported by good or dark factions? Will the Obama’s ET disclosure be the real one or a faked one (Bluebeam)? Is it really possible for a USA presidential candidate to be elected “unless” he receives the full support of the MSM? And that has been very much indeed the case with Obama, he’s been ALL OVER the MSM, he appears everywhere: TV, newspapers, magazines, etc. But we thought the dark elite controls just about all MSM, is that correct? So, what’s going on here? Perhaps the New Kremlin faction also controls a portion of MSM, or what…??? Something doesn’t add up... etc. 2) Same questions about the “Dr. Steven Greer mystery”. 3) Bill, please, if you have a chance, take a look at my previous questions regarding this topic in pag. 20. #478 and pag. 20. #494, and especially the possibility of having two different versions of Project Bluebeam, the “bad” version (invasion by bad ETs) and the “nice” version (bad ETs disguising themselves as good ETs, like in the TV series “V”). Thanks. qbeac. Last edited by qbeac; 12-28-2009 at 11:10 PM.

12-28-2009, 03:00 AM	#10
FastMax Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 4	Re: Bill Ryan's thread Hi all, I believe that everything is perfect Right Here, Right Now. And Right Here Right Now is all there is. Forget about the past. It does not exist, except in your memory. Drop it. And stop worrying about how you're going to get through tomorrow. Life is going on Right Here, Right Now -- pay attention to that and all will be well. Embrace the present moment with gratefulness and wonder, and you will turn it into whatever you have been waiting for.

12-28-2009, 01:29 PM	#14
Spregovori Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Bill Ryan's thread Hi Bill Would it be possible to get PC whistle blowers and other people you interviewed (including Greer) all together in one room....no cameras...not tape recorders...no "outside people" and let them talk to each-other...exchange experiences...compare notes....solve and re-solve the contradictions.... no need to come out with the working 0 energy device or a detailed plan on how to make it...you made it clear not doing that keeps you all alive...ok but how about coming out (in general...no great specifics if you can not) with some common ground you can all work on.... the point is in getting together...insiders connecting the dots...better organization....better knowledge...gaining an advantage....solving the BIG QUESTION....focusing on the main point....setting a goal....finding the final answer.... i am willing to donate (more than people donate on average) to that cause happening...and I think there are many others that would see the benefit for all of us in this happening that would also donate (if need be)...like traveling expenses etc... etc EDIT:typos Last edited by Spregovori; 12-28-2009 at 01:32 PM.

12-28-2009, 02:32 PM	#16
qbeac Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 44	Re: Bill Ryan's thread Questions to Bill and Kerry: Would it be possible for you (PC) to invite both David Wilcock and Benjamin Fulford to this thread to debate the “Obama’s mystery” (same thing for the “real vs. faked-Bluebeam ET disclosure mystery”)? I guess they might be quite busy, and a talking debate (by Skype) might be easier and not so time consuming as a writing one. But perhaps they wouldn’t mind showing up and giving us a few clues, or links, etc. Well, it’s just an idea. Another idea: Would Dr. Steven Greer show up in this thread and let us (regular people) ask him questions? Last edited by qbeac; 12-28-2009 at 04:48 PM.

12-28-2009, 02:50 PM	#17
housemouse2 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 117	Re: Bill Ryan's thread Hi everyone, I would like to add one other possibility for Obama. We have all heard of something called a "false flag" where the government does something and blames it on an enemy. IMHO Obama is a false flag. He's very charming, likable and over all very entertaining. Like an actor, a Hollywood actor. When Obama was first elected I found the magazines comparing him to previous presidents like Lincoln, JFK and Roosevelt rather disturbing. First he hadn't done anything yet but what I found most disturbing was the trio all died in office. I recall an awful lot of predictions of Obama being assassinated. The new reported he receives 30 death threats a day...something else I found odd for our propaganda news source to report. In all I believe Obama was appointed for the sole purpose of "dying" in office and becoming a martyr. I do not think he will actually die but rather his death will faked. Obama swept away to a isolated island. Once Obama is supposedly dead I expect to see a fury of activity to get non popular measures passed in his memory. Obama has already been elevated by the media to that of a god. They have called him a messiah. Obama is an actor on a stage.

12-28-2009, 08:08 PM	#19
Daft Ada Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: UK Posts: 47	Re: Bill Ryan's thread You won't get David Wilcock on here where people can say what they want to him, he will only accept Ego stroking and praise, you only have to look at the comments he allows to be posted on his site to see that. Anything that doesn't agree with his views or that arrent complements for him, gets deleted.

12-28-2009, 08:15 PM	#20
synaxis Project Avalon Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 5	Re: Bill Ryan's thread The recent comments by qbeac & Spregovori on resolving contradictory/inconsistent information raise an important issue. qbeac (#527) mentioned an inconsistency in the views of Benjamin Fulford and David Wilcock on Obama. Here's another example. In an article posted today, Fulford explains as follows re: the Nov 09 hacking of emails from a server at the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia: "Russian BDS [Black Dragon Society] members hacked the East Anglia University computers and proved the "global warming" campaign was based on false data." http://benjaminfulford.net/2009/12/2...b-250-billion/ David Wilcock provides a very different account in "Disclosure Endgame" part 3: "As of November 2009, the Rockefeller faction -- now in complete free-fall after losing the 2008 election -- was almost certainly responsible for leaking the "Climategate" emails. This was a blatant, desperate attempt to destroy the credibility of any arguments to reduce our fossil fuel consumption -- and thereby preserve whatever shreds of economic power and oil money they still have at this point." http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/st...ndgame?start=2 These are very different accounts of the same incident. I agree with Spregovori/532 re: the need to create a situation whereby contradictions in the testimony of PC whistleblowers and others can be resolved. This would help to clarify the point where assumptions are shaping the interpretation of the facts. Ideally this process should be open for input from others. Last edited by synaxis; 12-28-2009 at 08:21 PM. Reason: Added URL

12-30-2009, 10:00 PM	#24
bashi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 214	Re: Bill Ryan's thread Hi, i am new here. After all the info put out and interviews done by Bill and Kerry, it has become quite clear that mankind is at a crucial junction for its future development. At the same time we are under massive influence and attack by the “dark” side in order to facilitate a particular outcome which for most of us is not desirable. The workings of the “dark” powers are by most of us not well understood and definitely underestimated. I guess that just few of us were attacked, manipulated or influenced and came out of it unharmed and complete. Because the playing – level of this “war for our souls” reaches far beyond the material world as we normally know it. We are not talking about weapons or jump-rooms, but about Mind Control, Spiritual Energies, Possession etc. So how to make a difference? How to become spiritually stronger to stand up against the onslaught? Somehow we have to start, and believe me: Its a long way to go from here… There is a saying: “Be the change you want to see”. I think there is a lot of wisdom in it. Or: “Don’t do to others, what you do not want to be done to yourself”. What does it mean practically? We are complaining that the Reptilians are eating human flesh. From their standpoint, why shouldn’t they? They are much more than we are in almost all aspects. Therefore they are regarding us as a resource – as livestock. Are they not having the same approach as we have towards “lower” animals? Additionally we are the only species on earth which is killing itself in Millions, either actively or inactively through hunger, untreated diseases etc. We don’t care for our own species, so why should they? Eat and be eaten, that’s then the rule . An eye for an eye. We are only complaining, because we are not at the top of the food-chain, and therefore we fear to be eaten. Don’t you think a cow would not be afraid, if it realizes that it ends up at the abattoir? Have you heard that the “higher” spiritually developed, benevolent alien races are slaughtering “lower” animals and are eating them? I learned only about “Fruitarians”, drinking “liquid light” or direct energy assimilation. So, for our (selfish) benefit, I want to make a strong case for becoming a vegetarian. In my opinion that’s one of the base stones for a strong spiritual development and protection. You don’t have to become member of any group or sect to start it. If you would really listen to your heart, then you would already be a vegetarian. Before talking about how to gain psychic powers to fight the “dark” enemy, you should be sure about your personal moral stand. Power without love and compassion is extremly dangerous. My opinion is: Develop your heart and LOVE first. Because in that field we are by far superior than the Reptilians and many other alien races. You can´t fight with a Reptilian by using weapons or psychic powers, because you are bound to loose. But what you can do is to respect and LOVE them. Yes , I am serious: LOVE the Reptilians ! Because they can´t stand the high LOVE vibration and they will retreat and leave you alone (probably only for some time until they learned their lesson, because they are very stubborn). That’s how to make a stand and keep the battle ground. Start with yourself: Fight the temptation of the tongue and become a veggie. Then discuss within your friends and family. That’s to start making a difference. Becoming a veggie is a first step to improved protection; because the more exposed you are, the more vicious the attacks. That’s not easy: Once they are hooked into you, your chances are diminished. Many are getting lead away into the dark, only to never resurface without help. While I am not sure that Dr. Greer has been able to protect himself, I noticed that Bill and Kerry are seemingly doing well. And I don’t think that’s only because of the White Hat´s protective Psi-Ops. So, my question to Bill: "You briefly mentioned in the Freedom Central interview that you are doing some daily spiritual exercise. Can you elaborate on that without creating a new sect?" . Last edited by bashi; 12-30-2009 at 10:05 PM.

12-30-2009, 11:00 PM	#25
hippihillbobbi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA Posts: 120	Re: Bill Ryan's thread :cheerfu l_h4h: i LOVE you people, and i LOVE PC/PA, and Bill & Kerry, and this thread! so much great info .... so many inspiring spirits .... such "inquiring minds"!!! Bill -- this is my question -- do you think there are any defectors from the Reptilian overlords (Reptilian whistleblowers i guess) who would really like to help the "masses" of us to become awake/aware-enough re: the above-top-secret stuff (how we are being controlled/manipulated, off-planet bases and civilizations, free energy, etc.) that we can more consciously and deliberately as a race (human) strive to save our mother-earth and contribute to the well-being of our fellow travellers. In other words, is it possible for these entities ("royal reptilians") to empathize/sympathize with human beings enough to reject their own heritage to try to help us in a truly compassionate way??? would this be analagous to a human being who tries to help/save cattle from being used to advance our human agenda??? Thanks so much, bill & kerry, for sharing yourselves so generously. you are real heroes! May those of us who have come to respect your work and love your spirit follow your examples of courage, vision, and generosity. ya'll are Love Personified(at least on your best days!) Your friends and fans are MUCH blessed!