Distortions of the truth, (RANT)

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I don't get that feeling from David and I don't understand why something that happened on another forum is being discussed here. It could be resolved if you could contact David directly.

Regardless, we need to move away from gossiping and painting a negative picture of someone, since it's quite possible that David himself does not have time to keep an eye on his forums. From what he says, I do not think he's the kind of person who would openly tolerate such behavior from a moderator.

We are supposed to be moving into a new paradigm, one where we do not judge others based on superficial things, such as an internet forum, for example. It's hard to do but I have made friends with people here that I originally disagreed with. I had to drop my predisposition to arguing with anyone that countered my views on any given subject.

I think that about sums it up... and indeed it's more noteworthy how we react toward something than what actually happened. Whether it's me throwing my 'anti DW fit' or Luminari doing his dance on the opposite end.

Dude, I'm not trying so say that I'm right and everybody follow me, I merely said that it's reassuring to hear some of my opinions mirrored even without me uttering them at first. Alright, maybe I shouldn't try having an opinion that is shared whatsoever, as that might be a proof for it being programmed, but at least I don't walk around believing I'm right with all I say.
If there can be 'disappointment but no surprise' at anything it's this bloody word twisting that is going on here with ever little finicky thing someone says just because someone has (inadvertently) managed to push your button.
I agree that one should do some research before judging anything, but I wasn't trying to judge David Wilcock on the base of his material. Much rather, I see that he's so positive on all sides that inherently attracts a specific kind of people which in my eyes are rather blind to the reality of things. That isn't to say that David is a cult leader, bans free will on his forum or anything else, even though I find it interesting that ANY group of a person NO MATTER HOW 'POSITIVE' gets the same sh*t followers.

I take in David's insight, gladly so, and I try to listen to what Bill Deagle has to say when he announces Armageddon, but don't let either get the best of me and I don't understand why ANYBODY would.
THAT to me is a sign of being in need of being lead (even though you can now attack me for being too afraid to let go of my own sovereignty and distance, have a go at it if you please.)

[Humble Janitor]

Exactly. Bits and pieces, much like a soup of truth or something like that. It's much more fun to put information together like a puzzle as the final result is more satifsying.

Go only with what resonates with you.

[tone3jaguar]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Luminari

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Ahem excuse me sir, you are not entitled to have an opinion.

Come back when youve actually studied some of the teachings.

"I see alot of arrogance and judgmental behaviour coming from Ramtha"

-that sounds more like what we are seeing from YOU lately.

Ramtha invented the word channeling. Dowse that.

I have seen the movie based off of Ramtha's teachings multiple times. Most people do not realize that "What the Bleep" was all about Ramtha channeled info. JZ Night was channeling Ramtha in one of the scenes in that movie. She looked almost as if she was possessed and she was going off about how arrogant man kind was and how dare we such and such. That is judgmental arrogant behavior from Ramtha as far as I am concerned. If I see behavior like that from a spirit of any kind it throws up red flags that I personally should steer away from it.

When you see an individual channel a fully ascended being there is none of this rediculous emotion charged behind the voice. It is calm and clear and all inclusive. I personally choose not to allow any entity to speak through me even though I have that ability. This is a result of having accidentally channeled a negative ET 12 years ago before I even had a clue about anything spiritual.

As far as me having judgemental behavior, that is not comming from me in this thread. There are others in this thread who have turned it into a judge and bash David Wilcock festival which I did not want to turn it into. I respect David and all of his efforts and do not believe for one second that he in any way wishes to become a cult leader. That is not what this is about. This was about the hard core attitudes of the mods of that forum that have been getting more and more distorted the more famous David becomes.

Instead of just simply enforcing the rules that David made for the forum which would be completely understandable and ethical, they are acting as if they are the protectors of David Wilcock's personal paradigm. When I first joined the forum over there about 1.5 years ago this was not the case. If you tried to post something against the rules they would just kick it back and say "that is against the rules". That is not simply what happened here.

The moderator over there that first kicked this post back to me wrote this in the pm. This is a cut and paste from it

"As you again seem to imply that you are a channeler of higher density intelligence, I wonder if you are implying some added weight to your suppositions regarding the concept of a universe-wide event being tied in with DW's statements regarding successive waves of harvest/ascension. Please see the forum rules for insight into our policies regarding channeled information in general."

I had stated that I had recently abandoned my career in golf maintenace so that I could stop being all cloak and dagger when it comes to my spiritual work at the top of the post. Then before I had gone into the idea that I had about one possible interpretation of the channeling I clearly stated "this is just an idea, it is an opinion and should not be taken as truth."

This was the first time that I had ever tried to propose the idea of a universe wide dimension shift to the readers of that forum. Even so, he had this to say as part of the original pm as well.

"In our previous messaging I have painstakingly informed you of the moderators deliberations and consensus as regards the notion of a universe wide event, and why we feel it is not appropriate for our ascension discussions. We do not judge this material as to it's inherent truthfulness, only as to it's appropriateness as to our discussions of our current experiences with planetary and personal evolution."

What is rediculous is that I had never gotten any messages from him about this nor had I ever tried to post up about it before either.

He ended the original PM about the post kick back with this comment.

"Please be advised that it is our view that the introduction of this theory to our discussion of the possible events surrounding the 2012 window may serve to cause confusion amongst the members."

He is basically stating here that he is deciding for the readers of those forums what they can or can not handle learning about. That has nothing to do with their rules. That is unessesary censorship by an individual who thinks he should decide for other people what is best for them to learn about. This is what got my fuse lit with them.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Luminari

Its easy to be an internet smart ass and be negative about everything and THAT Sun-Toon is what was giving me the creeps if it wasn't completely obvious. You are one of those guys that has to have the last word aren't you? I look forward to the next exciting instalment of your witty banter.

Pretty funny Luminari. Where did you learn your debating techniques? To up the ante should I say "only a fool would respond to this statement"...then make derogatory remarks about you?

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I don't understand why something that happened on another forum is being discussed here. It could be resolved if you could contact David directly.

I didn't weigh in on him in this thread because of tone3jaguar's forum problem, but because it was illuminating to what I already get from David. I'm interested in what others see there, because I'm conflicted in my own opinion of him. I'm not so skeptical of his information, but I shake my head at how he broadcasts and markets his presumptions about himself. Maybe it seems too easy to take pot shots at someone from another forum, but I'd be willing to say anything I've said here to his face.

Originally Posted by Luminari

DW is so positive and likable.. not to mention intelligent, apart from the crucial ascension point (which remains to be seen), I struggle to understand how any who is a member in a place such as this could have a negative super-sceptical view towards him. But the free will to feel that way is your choice. It will not get you anywhere. Good luck to you if you think it will.

DW is positive and likable, but his ego really does get in the way of his message. I do see him as a person who may be on the way to becoming a cult leader...though maybe that's too strong a term....more of a rock star of some sort, and he's leading his own charge down that road.

It's not just me. I've liberally shared his interviews, I have them up on my website, I send them to friends, and a significant percentage of the reactions are "what's up with him and the ego thing". Then I argue in defense of David and say that it must be because he's kind of young and in the spotlight, so he isn't able to see clearly how he comes off.

If he works for you and it's so wonderful that you can no fault there, all I can say is go for it. But...this has been an objective discussion. You love him, some don't like him, others are having trouble separating his personality from his message. It's a positive exchange. If you find it creepy because it threatens your religious fervor...well sorry.
Instead of taking offense, you could make an effort to understand why some of us see DW differently than you do, then take a look through that alternative facet of reality. Maybe, if you saw what we do, you could provide some better understanding for us and a positive and supportive PoV that takes other observations into account, yet balances the equation.

This is why it's a forum and not a bulletin board (though I think some people wish it was the other way around). We're drowning in mystery here and it's become life threatening both to ourselves and to the whole planet. We have to be able to express and exchange all points of view if we're going to sort it out.

[Luminari]

Tone3Jaguar
Czymra
Sun-Toon..

Im going to take a chill-pill. There's some Orion influence going on and intense energy at the moment.

I know I can be a bit dramatic and intense.

Its not my job to be the defender of the universe (or is it?)

If you want to look for the worst in great wise loving entitees such as

David Wilcock/Edgar Cayce

Ramtha the enlightened one

Or anyone else I respect and look up to,
I guess theres nothing I can do so I'll stop giving you a hard time.

Re: What the bleep & Ramtha.. yeah that was the first time I saw JZ Knight/Ramtha too, only a few years ago. Honestly I wasn't impressed either and was sceptical.
It wasn't until James Gilliland said he contacted Ramtha during a meditation (to see if he was real) and asked him 3 questions..
When he saw JZ Knight channel Ramtha in front of a large audience shortly after that Ramtha came out looked him in the eye and answered his 3 questions.

I thought there might be something to this.. intuitively ordered 'The White Book' from amazon and was blown away it was dynamite. It was probably the best book ive ever read.. and I read alot.

A couple of years later and Im still listening to this seemingly neverending stream of profound wisdom (different audio presentations) that resonates very strongly.
It is not dogmatic though.. nothing like a sect/cult, its the antithesis of religion.
Its called a 'School' .. of enlightenment.
Advanced students have actually teleported, and manifested tangible objects.. there are powers you can develop. Life is much more amazing than we have been told. We are all Gods.


I don't like all the control dramas either and bad energy.. I know I have been defensive and added to it myself lately, not cool.

Pressing the reset button.

[dolphin]

hey everyone please checkout PEGGY KANE, she does reverse speech analysis to find the "truth" of one's talk, speech.

she's found david wilcock, wingmaker's,and michael st. clair to be either manipulated or complete frauds!!!

quoting what she wrote:
Wingmakers, Beautiful Deception.
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/category/channeling/

David Wilcock Tells Us In Reverse That He Is a Fraud
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/ca...chics-mediums/

I had reversed David Wilcock some time ago when he was on Coast to Coast. He claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and presented his case to Noory. I knew from listening in reverse that he was not truthful. I didn’t keep those files.
BTW, Others here have also reversed David and to my [...]

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by dolphin

hey everyone please checkout PEGGY KANE, she does reverse speech analysis to find the "truth" of one's talk, speech.

she's found david wilcock, wingmaker's,and michael st. clair to be either manipulated or complete frauds!!!

quoting what she wrote:
Wingmakers, Beautiful Deception.
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/category/channeling/

David Wilcock Tells Us In Reverse That He Is a Fraud
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/ca...chics-mediums/

I had reversed David Wilcock some time ago when he was on Coast to Coast. He claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and presented his case to Noory. I knew from listening in reverse that he was not truthful. I didn’t keep those files.
BTW, Others here have also reversed David and to my [...]

I am being tested here right...? Ok ill be nice.

I listened to them all.. very funny, the funniest one was still the first one.

Did you people of avalon know that when DW says:

"..and this guy walks past, kind of looks like a harley guy, like a biker.."

He actually says in reverse: I'll get some whacky sex ?

and when he says: "..Pop the seat up.."

he is actually saying in reverse ".. I eat some pot" ?

The bits where he apparently admits to being a fraud are even more ambiguous and vague and are mixed in with such gems as

"Erased as the Owl was shipped" and "Going to make it, blood and the Owl take it"...

You post this stuff here as "evidence he's a complete fraud!!"

Thanks for the link, I really enjoyed it.

Definately evidence of something.. that Peggy Kane has alot of free time.

[tone3jaguar]

That reverse speech stuff is as convoluted as bible code is. "Hey look there is a cloud that looks like jesus, that must be jesus."

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Luminari

I am being tested here right...?

....as are we all, Luminari. :>)
I think we're experiencing a particularly chaotic full moon energy, and it's not just here, but on other internet exchanges and in the meat world as well. I've also had other people bring it up to me in the last couple days.

Originally Posted by Luminari

I listened to them all.. very funny, the funniest one was still the first one.
Did you people of avalon know that when DW says:
"..and this guy walks past, kind of looks like a harley guy, like a biker.."
He actually says in reverse: I'll get some whacky sex

I agree with you guys on the reverse speech stuff. I sure wouldn't appreciate having to defend whatever my dialog says when played backwards. It's difficult enough to produce clear and direct speech, with focused intent behind it, that isn't in some way misconstrued.

So...if somebody else, of a totally different spiritual makeup were to say the same line DW said about the harley guy, would it say something else in reverse? Are there lines we simply cannot say without implying a taste for weird sex, dope, or an allegiance with satan? What if they played a reading of the bible backwards, would we then be able to understand the true intent of Yahweh? Maybe there's something to it, but it seems like woo-hoo on top of woo-hoo to me...too far from any rational grounding.
(No offense meant here dolphin...it is interesting.)

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

Are there lines we simply cannot say without implying a taste for weird sex, dope, or an allegiance with satan?

[mu2143]

It is very simple, all the rules written on pice of paper is dictating what to do.
As soon as some one comes around and it is telling you that you do not follow the Forum rules is a Dictator.

You KNOW what is right and WRONG by hart. It is written in the flesh.

The Law of one, there is some wrong with it. If you read it carefully you can see it, that it is deceiving. The truth is simple, any one who reads it should able to understand it other wise it is confusing and that is what the PTB want.

How in the hell are you going to warn people that if they continue this way that there will be destruction without being negitive. Here is the tricky one, the receiver YOU can ether perceive it as Negitive or Positive.

You have to be fearless other wise your in trouble. Fear = no light <-> Light = Love

Fearless = Love ; get it!

Freedom of speech is any speech other wise i'm not free!!!!!

[tone3jaguar]

Re: What the bleep & Ramtha.. yeah that was the first time I saw JZ Knight/Ramtha too, only a few years ago. Honestly I wasn't impressed either and was sceptical.
It wasn't until James Gilliland said he contacted Ramtha during a meditation (to see if he was real) and asked him 3 questions..
When he saw JZ Knight channel Ramtha in front of a large audience shortly after that Ramtha came out looked him in the eye and answered his 3 questions.

I thought there might be something to this.. intuitively ordered 'The White Book' from amazon and was blown away it was dynamite. It was probably the best book ive ever read.. and I read alot.

A couple of years later and Im still listening to this seemingly neverending stream of profound wisdom (different audio presentations) that resonates very strongly.
It is not dogmatic though.. nothing like a sect/cult, its the antithesis of religion.
Its called a 'School' .. of enlightenment.
Advanced students have actually teleported, and manifested tangible objects.. there are powers you can develop. Life is much more amazing than we have been told. We are all Gods.

Second Rant on Distortions of Truth

Well it is like I originally stated. An entity like Ramtha will give you mostly truth with some disinformation. I actually did not originally have a problem with the content "What the Bleep". I actually bought a copy of it and ended up renting "What the Bleep down the rabbit hole". The reason that I have a problem with it now is because the hole presentation of that movie was deceptive. I was only able to figure this out after I had done more research into theories of quantum physics and astro physics.

The scientists they had in that film where all ****** after they saw the final cut. They where ****** because their comments had been taken out of context in order to back up Ramtha's distorted version of their field of science. Most of the information in that movie is very useful. However, they made some huge deceptive errors and conclusions based off of what Ramtha had to say about the nature of reality.

The deception was when they made the transition from talking about the ways individual particles behave to the way our large scale multi particle reality works. They where totally dead on when they where describing the slit test and how the electrons go into a wave state when they are not being observed. However, they where totally off and wrong to tell people that the entire material world acts just like these individual particles do.

The scenes they had in that movie when they where talking about the entire world going into superposition simply because us humans stop focusing on it was wrong. That leads an individual to believe that they are the only thing in their reality that is actually real. This leads the individual towards being in paradigm where only what they want and think matters. Guess what, if you fall for this you have just opened yourself up to negative influence from the negative ET's. You have just been tricked into service to self consciousness. Is that not the hallmark of the "Orion Group"?

This is where the Ramtha info keeps you from ever knowing the total truth. If you buy into that type of paradigm you never have the opportunity to learn about the powerful consciousness of nature. We are not the only consciousnesses that decide how reality is structured. Ramtha would have you believe that not only will a tree not make a sound when if falls and no human is around to hear it. Ramtha would have you believe that the tree does not exist until you look at the forest. That is rediculous. Granted we live in a highly structured holographic type of reality. However, we are the Co Creators of this reality. The higher dimensions and the creator of all that is contribute as much or more than we do to the structure of every thing.

End of Second Rant on Distortions of Truth

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Granted we live in a highly structured holographic type of reality. However, we are the Co Creators of this reality. The higher dimensions and the creator of all that contribute as much or more than we do to the structure of every thing.

And I'd like to add that this is exactly what's lacking in The Secret as well. That is, the principle of co-creation as opposed to subjective creation. Not only does the prime creator contribute, but so does every other being in this realm, and especially Earth itself.

[alyscat]

You write:
The scientists they had in that film where all ****** after they saw the final cut. endquote

Actually, there was only one scientist in the film who objected, as I recall, and his comments were actually published in an interview in the down the rabbit hole version.

You have now, yourself, distorted the truth.

Whether Ramtha is your teacher or not (and obviously not since your understanding of his teachings don't encompass what is actually taught at RSE, only what you saw in the film), Ramtha has never claimed to be everyone's teacher, nor has he wanted to be everyone's teacher.

Alys

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Second Rant on Distortions of Truth

Well it is like I originally stated. An entity like Ramtha will give you mostly truth with some disinformation. I actually did not originally have a problem with the content "What the Bleep". I actually bought a copy of it and ended up renting "What the Bleep down the rabbit hole". The reason that I have a problem with it now is because the hole presentation of that movie was deceptive. I was only able to figure this out after I had done more research into theories of quantum physics and astro physics.

The scientists they had in that film where all ****** after they saw the final cut. They where ****** because their comments had been taken out of context in order to back up Ramtha's distorted version of their field of science. Most of the information in that movie is very useful. However, they made some huge deceptive errors and conclusions based off of what Ramtha had to say about the nature of reality.

The deception was when they made the transition from talking about the ways individual particles behave to the way our large scale multi particle reality works. They where totally dead on when they where describing the slit test and how the electrons go into a wave state when they are not being observed. However, they where totally off and wrong to tell people that the entire material world acts just like these individual particles do.

The scenes they had in that movie when they where talking about the entire world going into superposition simply because us humans stop focusing on it was wrong. That leads an individual to believe that they are the only thing in their reality that is actually real. This leads the individual towards being in paradigm where only what they want and think matters. Guess what, if you fall for this you have just opened yourself up to negative influence from the negative ET's. You have just been tricked into service to self consciousness. Is that not the hallmark of the "Orion Group"?

This is where the Ramtha info keeps you from ever knowing the total truth. If you buy into that type of paradigm you never have the opportunity to learn about the powerful consciousness of nature. We are not the only consciousnesses that decide how reality is structured. Ramtha would have you believe that not only will a tree not make a sound when if falls and no human is around to hear it. Ramtha would have you believe that the tree does not exist until you look at the forest. That is rediculous. Granted we live in a highly structured holographic type of reality. However, we are the Co Creators of this reality. The higher dimensions and the creator of all that is contribute as much or more than we do to the structure of every thing.

End of Second Rant on Distortions of Truth

[Luminari]

I can see you are convinced you are some sort of authority on science and spirituality.. and everyone else has it wrong.

Your nit-picking knows no bounds.

You live in the distortion of separation. If you were mature enough to just take the 'best' from everything you could stop the endless semantics and smashing of paradigms and systems together to fit your tunnel vision.

I would love to help you understand things Tone but I can't do the work for you.

I know all about being "service-to-self" I was a heavy metal 'rockstar' in melbourne back until 1999 who was under intense orion-bombardment.

Thats how I can contrast with who I am now and commitment to being a helpful and inspirational influence to all who cross my path.
Our dialogue still qualifies as 'tough love' as I still want the best for you otherwise I would not even look at this thread.

Who even cares about What the Bleep? the world has changed alot since 2005. That film is not a representation of barely any Ramtha's teachings any way. So give up the slandering based on a false premise.

Nassim Haramein would say your understanding of quantum physics is bunk anyway.

[tone3jaguar]

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Originally Posted by Luminari

[COLOR="Cyan"][SIZE="2"]I can see you are convinced you are some sort of authority on science and spirituality.. and everyone else has it wrong.

Your nit-picking knows no bounds.

So a couple of mods on another forum and a supposed ancient warrior from another planet or something is everyone? Man you totally got me. Good job.

I am not an authority on either. My understandings of reality are not from books or teachers. They are from first hand experience. I have been though the school of hard knocks and come to my own conclusions instead of allowing someone else form my paradigm for me. I am an authority on my personal paradigm and i am not afraid to share it with people weather they like it or not. I am not here to make people feel warm and fuzzy. I am here to dispel negativity and unethical behavior from the earth. I have shared on this forum about 3 percent of my total hard core personal experiences with both the darkest of the dark side and most divine of the light.

Perhaps you did not catch the title and post title of the posts where it said RANT? No one has got a gun to your head forcing you to read what I have posted after that. If i thought it was going to fall softly on everyones ears I would have not put the word RANT in the title of the thread. Its my thread, I will say what ever I feel like saying in it. Its a free forum.

You live in the distortion of separation. If you were mature enough to just take the 'best' from everything you could stop the endless semantics and smashing of paradigms and systems together to fit your tunnel vision.

Oh man, you totally got me again. I am living in separation. And I am immature. That cuts deep. Take it back. I know you are but what am I.

I would love to help you understand things Tone but I can't do the work for you.

Oh no, please teach me all you know. I was hoping that you would be my mentor. Oh what, I forgot. I am not entitled to have an opinion. You are right man you are totally there and I am lost. Please help me.

I know all about being "service-to-self" I was a heavy metal 'rockstar' in melbourne back until 1999 who was under intense orion-bombardment.

Thats how I can contrast with who I am now and commitment to being a helpful and inspirational influence to all who cross my path.
Our dialogue still qualifies as 'tough love' as I still want the best for you otherwise I would not even look at this thread.

You are totally helping me with all of your commands and patronizing comments about my level of attunement, good job.

Who even cares about What the Bleep? the world has changed alot since 2005. That film is not a representation of barely any Ramtha's teachings any way. So give up the slandering based on a false premise.

Well if they did not want that movie to be thier calling card then why did they make it thier calling card?

I dont really care, I am not a scientist. I am an alchemist.

[avyaktam]

There we go again.:ar gue:

[recallone]

Originally Posted by avyaktam

There we go again.:ar gue:

Nice. Indeed. "I'm right, you're wrong" is what's wrong. Let go of . . . everything. The need to be right, yesterday's truth, yesterday's concepts - it's all bull$hit. Attachment to it causes the problems.
Anybody ever hear of holy wars?

[Luminari]

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by Luminari

I am being tested here right...? Ok ill be nice.

I listened to them all.. very funny, the funniest one was still the first one.

Did you people of avalon know that when DW says:

"..and this guy walks past, kind of looks like a harley guy, like a biker.."

He actually says in reverse: I'll get some whacky sex ?

and when he says: "..Pop the seat up.."

he is actually saying in reverse ".. I eat some pot" ?

The bits where he apparently admits to being a fraud are even more ambiguous and vague and are mixed in with such gems as

"Erased as the Owl was shipped" and "Going to make it, blood and the Owl take it"...

You post this stuff here as "evidence he's a complete fraud!!"

Thanks for the link, I really enjoyed it.

Definately evidence of something.. that Peggy Kane has alot of free time.

BEFORE you make fun of this methodology, i think you should first listen in entirety peggy kane's interviews:
Peggy Kane, Ufo hypothesis, Volume 1 and 2 (both alex collier and hoagland are in it, vol 2.)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...24212659068187

bec. just getting the snippets doesn't make sense to someone who is not familiar w this.

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by dolphin

hey everyone please checkout PEGGY KANE, she does reverse speech analysis to find the "truth" of one's talk, speech.

she's found david wilcock, wingmaker's,and michael st. clair to be either manipulated or complete frauds!!!

quoting what she wrote:
Wingmakers, Beautiful Deception.
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/category/channeling/

David Wilcock Tells Us In Reverse That He Is a Fraud
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/ca...chics-mediums/

I had reversed David Wilcock some time ago when he was on Coast to Coast. He claims to be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce and presented his case to Noory. I knew from listening in reverse that he was not truthful. I didn’t keep those files.
BTW, Others here have also reversed David and to my [...]

How do we know that Peggy Kane isn't full of ****?

[recallone]

Dolphin, I can't speak for anyone other than myself concerning the reverse speaking subject, but I'd like to share a few thoughts with you.

In the 80's there was a push to blame heavy metal bands for a handfull of suicides. It was dismissed then for the same reasons it is now. It's too great a stretch to link them together. Like luminari pointed out, the things they find in these recordings are so vague and inconclusive that it really demands a big imagination on the part of the listener.

What really struck me as suspicious when I first looked into this myself, is the fact that they're using the very strings of division that organized religion (specifically; Christianity) has employed for centuries...i.e. accusations about homosexuality, etc. I don't consider homosexuals to be evil. I don't consider those who choose to use drugs evil. I consider all of those people to be extensions of ME. The more I tear away the programming that seeks to divide us from one another with labels and titles, the more I question ANY source who would seek to enforce that division. ESPECIALLY when the labels they're trying to assign and discredit with are the very labels that Christianity has touted for years as 'abominations'. I'm sorry, but I just can't buy into that division anymore.

Anyone, any thing, any process that would encourage a sense of separation is immediately suspect in my mind. Above the cerebral analysis, however is the vibrational impression. When I first visited Peggy's site, I was immediately assaulted with a poisonous energy that I knew was not right. I had a headache within minutes and had to get away. Some time later, I revisited the site to confirm that it was the site and not something else. It was. I forced myself to stay and investigate because someone I care about asked me to look into it and give them my honest opinion. I'll tell you what I told him. It's poison. Plain and simple. If it divides, then it doesn't belong. Truth unites. Division weakens. Ever seen the strength test for the whole Catholic crossing in front of the person? Individually, we're weaker when our energy is split. Collectively, we're weaker when we endorse the false notion that some people are more deserving of love and light than others - that we're not connected to one another. We are. Just scrutinize your own vibration when these different ideas play out in your mind.

Love everything and everybody, unconditionally. Feel your connection to all of it...
Now, how does that feel?

By comparison, embrace that programmed contempt for whatever group you've been programmed to despise.
Now, how does that feel?

Which one resonates? Which feeling feels more like home? Dismiss the teachings of your religion that were designed to make up your mind for you, and acknowledge your inherent divinity in deciphering truth from lies.

Humbly offered,
recallone

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by avyaktam

There we go again.:ar gue:

This is one of the best posts i have ever read!