Proof that I am not an Agent, Troll or Energy Vampire

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

Brook has picked me up on things in your other threads, and come to your defense, only days ago, it was. Yet somehow her lightheartedness rubbed you wrong and you shut her down too - it's no surprise she reacts.
Sorry, just trying to explain, not attack.

Well, I couldn't disagree more. Brook is one of the forums most colorfully dressed jesters who has barely contributed anything worthwhile in any of my posts except mockery and jokes (at my expense - making her quite nasty).

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by TruthWalker

Well, I couldn't disagree more. Brook is one of the forums most colorfully dressed jesters who has barely contributed anything worthwhile in any of my posts except mockery and jokes (at my expense - making her quite nasty).

I'm a jester am I? Here is something i wrote about myself...pretty funny stuff.

When you can bear your soul is such fashion, and contribute something of substance ...you may gain a little respect. Until the...your full of hot are.
Laugh your rear end off at this...I'm sure you will find a way to belittle it.

Who am I?

I am not a whistle blower, or an abductee. I have written no books on spirituality. I am not able to see in the future. I have never had any tell me I'm of another dimension or remember me from another life.

Do I know these things are real?..yes I do..why? because the truth can resonate within my very being. As I'm sure it does with all here. Otherwise, why would we be here.

Today I was brought to tears....why? Because I understood today there are so many hurdles mankind has to jump to get to the finish line..and collect the grand prize.

I long for the day we can stand in front of each other and say we won. We worked out daily, strive to be the best. Not another in the universe can touch what we have....and what is that grand prize?

ridding Mans inhumanity to man....and creating unity, love of mankind and universal compassion .

the day will come..make no mistake of that...it will come...

However...today I got just another taste of what we have to overcome to create that prize. We are fighting an illusion that was created to enslave us in our own passion for humanity...

Today I felt the pain of someone who believes what has created the killing and wars was the very lie used to manipulate us to fight such a war.

The mass illusion that one group of people can create such a thing..when in truth it is a rather small group..using us to fight ourselves. Enslave us to do their dirty work in the name of freedom, in the name of God, in the name of justice.

Who am I? I'm a mother of three sons, and one grandchild. I'm a musician, I'm the one you pass at the market when shopping...I cry at sad movies, and happy endings. I'm the one you honk at at the traffic light because I'm changing the radio station and not paying attention to the light. I'm the one who can't stand to see the starving children in deprived countries. I'm the one who stood by and watched the twin towers fall in disbelief. I'm the one who watched the United States go to war for the sake of oil and power. I'm the one who woke up to the fact that it is all an illusion...one created to use us against each other.

I'm the one who want's to wake up and find that the illusion is over..that mankind stood up and said ...we are through with your lies...we want only the truth and nothing else will be acceptable. We will stop working your war machine...we want nothing to do with your power agendas. we want to see the starvation end, and the suffering ended. We want the children to be nothing but loved. We hold our future dear to us and will not accept your blaintent lies. we don't care about your boarders...we care about our neighbors...we send them love. We bless them with kindness and giving. We will rebuild our future with strength of compassion. Hate is not a word we use in our vocabulary. Giving is our key to success.

Then and only then will the tears I shed today turn tears of joy. Then mankind can collect the grand prize....the universal prize of humanity shedding it's mask of animal behavior.....and we will be able to join the ranks of Sharing universal love of humanity and creation throughout the universe.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I'm a jester am I? Here is something i wrote about myself...pretty funny stuff.

When you can bear your soul is such fashion, and contribute something of substance ...you may gain a little respect. Until the...your full of hot are.
Laugh your rear end off at this...I'm sure you will find a way to belittle it.

Who am I?

I am not a whistle blower, or an abductee. I have written no books on spirituality. I am not able to see in the future. I have never had any tell me I'm of another dimension or remember me from another life.

Do I know these things are real?..yes I do..why? because the truth can resonate within my very being. As I'm sure it does with all here. Otherwise, why would we be here.

Today I was brought to tears....why? Because I understood today there are so many hurdles mankind has to jump to get to the finish line..and collect the grand prize.

I long for the day we can stand in front of each other and say we won. We worked out daily, strive to be the best. Not another in the universe can touch what we have....and what is that grand prize?

ridding Mans inhumanity to man....and creating unity, love of mankind and universal compassion .

the day will come..make no mistake of that...it will come...

However...today I got just another taste of what we have to overcome to create that prize. We are fighting an illusion that was created to enslave us in our own passion for humanity...

Today I felt the pain of someone who believes what has created the killing and wars was the very lie used to manipulate us to fight such a war.

The mass illusion that one group of people can create such a thing..when in truth it is a rather small group..using us to fight ourselves. Enslave us to do their dirty work in the name of freedom, in the name of God, in the name of justice.

Who am I? I'm a mother of three sons, and one grandchild. I'm a musician, I'm the one you pass at the market when shopping...I cry at sad movies, and happy endings. I'm the one you honk at at the traffic light because I'm changing the radio station and not paying attention to the light. I'm the one who can't stand to see the starving children in deprived countries. I'm the one who stood by and watched the twin towers fall in disbelief. I'm the one who watched the United States go to war for the sake of oil and power. I'm the one who woke up to the fact that it is all an illusion...one created to use us against each other.

I'm the one who want's to wake up and find that the illusion is over..that mankind stood up and said ...we are through with your lies...we want only the truth and nothing else will be acceptable. We will stop working your war machine...we want nothing to do with your power agendas. we want to see the starvation end, and the suffering ended. We want the children to be nothing but loved. We hold our future dear to us and will not accept your blaintent lies. we don't care about your boarders...we care about our neighbors...we send them love. We bless them with kindness and giving. We will rebuild our future with strength of compassion. Hate is not a word we use in our vocabulary. Giving is our key to success.

Then and only then will the tears I shed today turn tears of joy. Then mankind can collect the grand prize....the universal prize of humanity shedding it's mask of animal behavior.....and we will be able to join the ranks of Sharing universal love of humanity and creation throughout the universe.

I agree with pretty much everything you wrote above. I also share the same concerns. Thank you for sharing it.

[BROOK]

Coming from a jester? or how about a talking about a little existential Freedom.....Jester that I am this should be really funny stuff

Some of the stuff I have contributed of the over 2600 posts here..that you have decided is such a problem here

Freedom and Responsibility

Freedom, from an existential perspective, cannot be separated from responsibility. With freedom comes responsibility. Yet, it is common for many people to seek freedom while trying to avoid responsibility. While, at times, it appears that people may be able to succeed at this, there remains a psychological consequence. This consequence is often not very noticeable, but may find expression through guilt, anxiety, depression, or even anger.

Existential freedom is not the same things as freedom in the political sense we often think of it in America. In fact, political freedom could be view to be a rather shallow, though not unimportant, type of freedom. A person can be existentially free despite not being politically free, and a person can avoid embracing their existential freedom despite being offered great political freedoms.


Ways of Avoiding Responsibility

There are several common examples of how people avoid responsibility in American culture. Conformity is one good example. Americans pride themselves on being autonomous individuals to the point of idealizing individualism. However, upon closer analysis, Americans find extremely creative ways of giving up their freedom. Americans conform through blind allegiance to various organizations and institutions including political parties and religious institutions. This is not to say that being dedicated to either of these are bad. In fact, often they can lead to very positive outcomes. The problem comes with blind allegiance where a person gives up their responsibility to critically think through the beliefs, perspectives, and values of the organization. When this happens, the individual's values are no longer authentic.

When a person gives their allegiance to an external belief structure, they may go in one of several directions. First, they often will become very rigid in their allegiance to the organization or structure to which they have committed. This type of conformity can be seen through various forms of fundamentalism -- religious, political, psychological systems, etc.

Second, they may present as being very committed to a belief systems or organization, but they feel very comfortable bending the rules where it does fit their desires. It becomes easy to bend the rules because they are not really committed to the underlying values system. However, when a person is deeply committed to authentic moral or value principles, they are less willing to act in ways which contradict these principles. The principles are authentic.

Another way avoid responsibility can occur through the belief that one is powerless. There can be many factors which are seen to render a person powerless. A person can perceive themselves as a victim of their environment, of various supernatural or spiritual forces, their unconscious, or a victim of their biology/genes. While an existential approach will recognize that all of these factors may influence a person, none of them render a person powerless or completely control them.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Coming from a jester? or how about a talking about a little existential Freedom.....Jester that I am this should be really funny stuff

Some of the stuff I have contributed of the over 2600 posts here..that you have decided is such a problem here

Freedom and Responsibility

Freedom, from an existential perspective, cannot be separated from responsibility. With freedom comes responsibility. Yet, it is common for many people to seek freedom while trying to avoid responsibility. While, at times, it appears that people may be able to succeed at this, there remains a psychological consequence. This consequence is often not very noticeable, but may find expression through guilt, anxiety, depression, or even anger.

Existential freedom is not the same things as freedom in the political sense we often think of it in America. In fact, political freedom could be view to be a rather shallow, though not unimportant, type of freedom. A person can be existentially free despite not being politically free, and a person can avoid embracing their existential freedom despite being offered great political freedoms.


Ways of Avoiding Responsibility

There are several common examples of how people avoid responsibility in American culture. Conformity is one good example. Americans pride themselves on being autonomous individuals to the point of idealizing individualism. However, upon closer analysis, Americans find extremely creative ways of giving up their freedom. Americans conform through blind allegiance to various organizations and institutions including political parties and religious institutions. This is not to say that being dedicated to either of these are bad. In fact, often they can lead to very positive outcomes. The problem comes with blind allegiance where a person gives up their responsibility to critically think through the beliefs, perspectives, and values of the organization. When this happens, the individual's values are no longer authentic.

When a person gives their allegiance to an external belief structure, they may go in one of several directions. First, they often will become very rigid in their allegiance to the organization or structure to which they have committed. This type of conformity can be seen through various forms of fundamentalism -- religious, political, psychological systems, etc.

Second, they may present as being very committed to a belief systems or organization, but they feel very comfortable bending the rules where it does fit their desires. It becomes easy to bend the rules because they are not really committed to the underlying values system. However, when a person is deeply committed to authentic moral or value principles, they are less willing to act in ways which contradict these principles. The principles are authentic.

Another way avoid responsibility can occur through the belief that one is powerless. There can be many factors which are seen to render a person powerless. A person can perceive themselves as a victim of their environment, of various supernatural or spiritual forces, their unconscious, or a victim of their biology/genes. While an existential approach will recognize that all of these factors may influence a person, none of them render a person powerless or completely control them.

Brook, what you posted elsewhere makes no difference to me -- when to "me" you've done nothing but stir the pot. Yes, you have acted exactly like a jester. You want respect from me? Just stop being mean and making jokes at my expense. Problem solved. No need to quote posts to demonstrate that you're "really better" than the way you've been behaving to me. You want me to believe it? Show it.

[burgundia]

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by TruthWalker

Brook, what you posted elsewhere makes no difference to me -- when to "me" you've done nothing but stir the pot. Yes, you have acted exactly like a jester. You want respect from me? Just stop being mean and making jokes at my expense. Problem solved. No need to quote posts to demonstrate that you're "really better" than the way you've been behaving to me. You want me to believe it? Show it.

I don't seek your respect. Respect is something that is earned. I have the respect of the forum members here...becuase I have earned it. Can you say the same?

[Tango]

I respectfully request that this thread be closed.....

That the member: truthwalker be removed and his threads be deleted...

Enough is Enough...


Verry trooly,


Tango

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by Tango

I respectfully request that this thread be closed.....

That the member: truthwalker be removed and his threads be deleted...

Enough is Enough...


Verry trooly,


Tango

Off topic. Mean. Ignorant. Ignored.

This is all I ever hear you saying..

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Tango

I respectfully request that this thread be closed.....

That the member: truthwalker be removed and his threads be deleted...

Enough is Enough...


Verry trooly,


Tango

i second that vote

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by Céline

i second that vote

Mean. Ignorant. Unfair.

[GaiaLove]

Threads like this are pointless and do not further the mission of Project Avalon.

Find something relevant to discuss.

-Thread Closed-

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by Tango

I respectfully request that this thread be closed.....

That the member: truthwalker be removed
and his threads be deleted...
Enough is Enough...
Verry trooly,
Tango

i second that:
Truthwalker should be removed
(he broke the cardinal rules of PA/PC)
CREATING mutiple alias, etc.,

(he dialogues here, talking to himself,
through an assortment of avatar/accounts

so, there is obviously something within PA/PC,
someone doesn't want, someone to read

i agree, with tango's brilliance
in what he says,
i say..Enough is Enough

i say...terminate him
and/or at least, combine all his threads to one)
and, create an "bible/religion cat_e_gore-e"

Love Susan
The eXchager

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by Tango

I respectfully request that this thread be closed.....

That the member: truthwalker be removed and his threads be deleted...

Enough is Enough...


Verry trooly,


Tango

Agreed, my vote is in.

[Tango]

Truthwalker... I've read and I've read... I don't think I've seen anything of Substance
that you have Posted. Most of your excellent writing it seems has been
disruptive and distracting to members of this forum. I do NOT wish to engage
you.

But, in MY eye's you will NOT instruct our Mods. Now, I may have been a
little harsh in the past... [But, I don't think so...] I ask that You take a step
back... collect your thoughts... You've seen how it works on other threads.

Post something of interest to the Forum... With the clear intent of delivery of
your message/Story/interests. Or, its NOT going to work. And, you will be gone.

But, you may have a point to your posts [I haven't seen it yet] other than
disruption. And, to insult Brook, well that's reason for you to be gone Right
there, in My eye's... Fore she has brought some outstanding threads and she
sure does Not need me to defend her.

But, I, SEE substance to BROOKS posts... And, Humor when it is needed...

Like I said... I DO NOT want to engage you.... But, I will for the Community.



Trooly,


Tango

Originally Posted by TruthWalker

Can you just go away and give up your mission to prove to me that I'm some sort of runaway nut? I am posting ALL of this for GOOD reasons which extend back more than six months!

Brook has done nothing but post insult after insult after sarcasm riddled insult. Mentioning her name isn't going to help what ever case you think you're trying to make.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by Tango

Truthwalker... I've read and I've read... I don't think I've seen anything of Substance
that you have Posted. Most of your excellent writing it seems has been
disruptive and distracting to members of this forum. I do NOT wish to engage
you.

But, in MY eye's you will NOT instruct our Mods. Now, I may have been a
little harsh in the past... [But, I don't think so...] I ask that You take a step
back... collect your thoughts... You've seen how it works on other threads.

Post something of interest to the Forum... With the clear intent of delivery of
your message/Story/interests. Or, its NOT going to work. And, you will be gone.

But, you may have a point to your posts [I haven't seen it yet] other than
disruption. And, to insult Brook, well that's reason for you to be gone Right
there, in My eye's... Fore she has brought some outstanding threads and she
sure does Not need me to defend her.

But, I, SEE substance to BROOKS posts... And, Humor when it is needed...

Like I said... I DO NOT want to engage you.... But, I will for the Community.



Trooly,


Tango

Ah, Tango, the one who spends his time running around the forum (incorrectly, and vitreously) accusing everyone of being agents. So much that he had to be banned.

Your advice means nothing to me. You're one of the trouble makers.

Ignored.

[mudra]

"Men of wit and understanding convert a stone lying on the ground into a stepping stone, while men devoid of common sense turn even a stepping stone into a stumbling block on their way. In life, it is the way of looking at things that matters."

- Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh in "Wings of Love and Random Thoughts

Peace
mudra

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by mudra

"Men of wit and understanding convert a stone lying on the ground into a stepping stone, while men devoid of common sense turn even a stepping stone into a stumbling block on their way. In life, it is the way of looking at things that matters."

- Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh in "Wings of Love and Random Thoughts

Peace
mudra

Just like men of wit and understanding convert information into understanding, while man devoid of common sense turns even truth handed on a platter into big argument?

[burgundia]

i will feed you a bit here....

ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,bl e,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble,ble, ble, ble, ble, ble
ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,bl e,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble,ble, ble, ble, ble, ble...and a glass of milk...

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by burgundia

i will feed you a bit here....

ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,bl e,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble,ble, ble, ble, ble, ble
ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,bl e,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble,ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble, ble,ble, ble, ble, ble, ble...and a glass of milk...

Unconstructive post.

[Seashore]

TruthWalker,

I think that you have a lot to offer, and if you would add a pinch of humility to your act, you'll do great here on the forum. My humble opinion.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by Anchor

But its not.

The level of control you are asking for will require diligent, "professional" moderators. We don't have those we have volunteers with varying levels of experience at dealing with highly confrontational situations.

As I explained before - deleting and editing threads/posts is a really big deal here. There is a culture of not doing it because we don't want to give credence to the notion that we are censors with an agenda. (We are not)

There is a culture on this forum. Those of us who have been here for a long time know it. The culture does not support the mode in which you are proposing to engage in it.

It is your right to explore potential changes to that, but you cannot "insist" on them - you cannot blackmail people into accepting them with implied threats - of what you know we have characterized as disruptive behavior (see your "spotlight" para in the OP, you even admit you are doing it on purpose to make a point).

If you cannot find fertile ground for your endeavors here, then it will be time to go somewhere else. If you insist on trying to stay and change things then you are, in my opinion, not living the ideals that you claimed for yourself in the original post.

In short, it is not your forum.

This situation has a finite lifetime. Our jobs as moderators require us to maintain the status quo established by the forum guidelines and the constituent members of the forum. Some more vocal than others.

A..

While everything you say above is reasonable, I must insist that asking people to stay on topic will not require great amounts of moderation.

A good start would be to ask moderators THEMSELVES to stop participating in off topic tangents. Moderators can't just revert to saying what ever they like just because the first line says: "Mod hat off". What's that all about?

I understand that if you delete threads, people will cry foul. So I agree. But it wouldn't hurt for moderators to type once in a while: "Hey, come on people, cut it out." -- or to send the odd PM to people who blatantly insult others.

Do I need to go and get examples?

[Boober]

Man truthwalker your just digging yourself a bigger hole. You should just talk about whatever it was you wanted to say. Unless of course you are , in that case your not digging yourself a bigger hole.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by Boober

Man truthwalker your just digging yourself a bigger hole. You should just talk about whatever it was you wanted to say. Unless of course you are , in that case your not digging yourself a bigger hole.

Ignored. No value.

[Boober]

Yes I agree, your posts have no value. But youlll get your chance to say something on this forum one day. Keep trying little buddy.