Ashayana Deane 2012,the hidden human dilemma and MUCH more....

[eleni]

Originally Posted by jswiss

She disclosed a wealth of information and a lot of it was a bit overwhelming and was way over my head. Some people at the workshop recommended that I watch some of the earlier DVDs. Attending my first workshop was like taking an advanced level Calculus class when my level of understanding was basic arithmetic.

In regards to the world/ascension/2017, she said that the world will not end in 2012 and that the majority of people will declare “business as usual” in 2013. After that, some people will go on the ascension path, and a lot of people will go on the descension path. She described that the ascension path has many, many, many paths within it; and the descension path has many, many, many paths within that as well.

She also described the people of Higher Earth. If you displayed any sort of negative behavior in Higher Earth, the people would look at you in an unusual way. They wouldn’t do anything to you; they would just look at you in an unusual way without passing any judgment since everyone there lives by the ‘Law of One.’

That sounds like it was a great workshop! Good info......

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by jswiss

In regards to the world/ascension/2017, she said that the world will not end in 2012 and that the majority of people will declare “business as usual” in 2013. After that, some people will go on the ascension path, and a lot of people will go on the descension path. She described that the ascension path has many, many, many paths within it; and the descension path has many, many, many paths within that as well.

She also described the people of Higher Earth. If you displayed any sort of negative behavior in Higher Earth, the people would look at you in an unusual way. They wouldn’t do anything to you; they would just look at you in an unusual way without passing any judgment since everyone there lives by the ‘Law of One.’

Thanks so much for sharing this!

[Stardustaquarion]

I haven't had time to read all the postings in detail so forgive me if I overlook something.

We are already in a black hole fall system since 2005/2006 but there are further complications, things are not as simple as the new age movement puts them

For example, if someone could offer you the possibility to be able to go to a Krystiac (Eden if you want) system with your body, to learn how to be free and travel, shape shift, materialize and de-materialize at will, to manifest out of thin air what your hearts desire what price will you put to that...and how easy do you think it may be...what price eternal life has?

A normal 3d person is unable to communicate with its other 9 parts, or even their emotional and atomic body, that makes 11 parts out of 12...what kind of training do you think you may need to achieve that

In Keylontic science the big woo woo things of the new age movement like astral travel, bilocation, communicating with being that are beyond the 12 dimenssions are easy peasy kindergardern staff and offered for free in the website, you just have to follow the links I posted in the keylontic sciences thread

No one has to do anything, it is a personal choice, I for one intend to go the full thing, indeed, I have done up to sliders 5 and my life has changed completely...I could not possible explain in few words how can happiness, joy and freedom can be achieved nor I want to cos I am not a teacher

But I am certainly going to do my best to slide into Urta before the gates close definitely (all going well) in 220 years

It is not easy stuff to learn cos it integrates physics and the mechanics of creation but it is well worth it

Her DVDs may seem expensive but once you realize how many hours of lecture you get and the written material, it is cheaper than buying cheap movies, I don't honestly think they make any money at all with them

For the ones that decide to stay in this planet, thing will be really difficult, there are going to be not only earth changes but wars...I don't say this to scare anyone but because we are already seeing what is happening...that is without saying that the sun has some problems too which I don't feel I should disclose here which will mean that the gamma rays will increase exponetially in the following years

If I was starting keylontic sciences today I will start by reading the many free pages of material in their website and do the maharic shield, followed by the flame body activations that are free in the website

That will give you a good tasted on weather this material is for you or not

Love

[mntruthseeker]

Stardustaquarion


Well said and I absolutely agree........maybe I will skip and jump right into that myself seeing as we are getting very close and I for one do not want to think that I could of been the one.........................

[TempestGarden]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

For the ones that decide to stay in this planet, thing will be really difficult, there are going to be not only earth changes but wars...I don't say this to scare anyone but because we are already seeing what is happening...that is without saying that the sun has some problems too which I don't feel I should disclose here which will mean that the gamma rays will increase exponetially in the following years

Honestly, this was the biggest problem that I had with her material. After reading the books, I really came away with the feeling that only a select few would make it out of the "doom and gloom" I guess you would call it. It almost struck me as sort of like an elitist club for those that are privileged enough to understand all this stuff and be able to apply it to their lives. In other words, I got the feeling that if you are not part of this "club" for lack of a better term, then you are screwed. Let's face it, there is only a very, very small percentage of the population that has read this material and has an interest in it. I just find it hard to believe that a handful of humanity is going to Ascend, if you want to call it that, and the rest are pretty much doomed. I honestly don't think that the Guardian Alliance (as they are called in the book) would even bother trying to help us at all if this were the scenario/destiny for the majority of this planet. It just doesn't make sense from the perspective of an all loving Creator. *sigh* It's just more food for thought in the vast buffet that is in my head. I really am not sure what to think about the future, the more I read of this material and other sources.

[14 Chakras]

People are paid well to confuse others. The more confusing, the more people believe it must be so very important and advanced.

[eleni]

I'm remaining open to the information but still objective (now reading 3rd book Angelic Realities which is simpler). I'd like to read more constructive criticism. I wonder if the material resonates because I want it to. I admit to being gullible because I want to believe everyone is telling the truth as they know it from their experiences.

[14 Chakras]

I think Anna Hayes is an appropriate name.

Anna means heaven according to another thread on this forum.

The materials create a nice thick Hayes over Heaven.

[eleni]

14 Chakras- have you read the Voyagers books? Sorry if that sounds like I'm a cult member defending sacred ground- I am not. I'm curious to know your thoughts other than it being one heck of a confusing story. I was only able to find one thread of question on AH under a Linda Goodman forum.

[mntruthseeker]

I just finished the chapter on the 3 christ and I have to say that I thought it would be very hard to swallow what she had to say......BUT

Im feeling wonderful about it and I'm happy because through out my life I had heard bits and pieces of Jesus stories and I know I love Him very much but I wanted to know why so many conflicting stories

She answered that for me and it brought all together everything I have already heard together very nicely

I am getting the impression that some think she is an Athesis and that she didnt love Jesus Christ and that is so far from the truth

Jesus Christ preachings have been so distorted and manupilated by tptbs that it isnt even funny. Why would they want us to know the truth ?

They knew the truth and kept it hidden in France and taught it in their mystery schools.

I'm here to learn the truth and I feel so good about what she has to say that I know in my heart that when the truth comes out ( the _ _ _ _ hits the fan)
I will know the truth. Thats how much it resonates with me

Everyone knows that the bible has been altered by those that want us to remain their slaves.

Ashayana is not the only one telling this story. Listen to Gregg Braden and he will tell you the same. The Hopi's have the same story.



Lets put it this way............I had a 12th grade education and oh wow, that was a roman catholic one in a school that was "brained washed" galore

I know what they want me to believe and I did for years............one big lie

I now know the truth about the one we call Jesus and I'm happy and filled with a wonderful feeling. Yes, I understand where her reasoning of 3 come in and I believe it more than you can imagine.

That might be a turn off to some of you but thats OK, its you perogative and we all have that same right.

I'm just happy that I know and feel this great knowing what I do

All the different stories out there confused the hell out of me. who do you believe or not. Even the ones on the History Channel. Well she has helped me get through my search and put it out there very nicely.

[14 Chakras]

MNTruth ~ why not share a summary of Hayes version of Jesus life?

Let me take a guess, he's was an alien right? And he never gave up the ghost (carnal mind) and let his body die on the cross and rose again to prove there is no death, that death is the last illusion. Right?

Instead, reality is just a bunch of ET's warring with each other, science and physics are our saviours. Heart means very little... blah blah blah.

Angels are evil ~ connect to aliens. Elohim are evil ~ connect to aliens. Right? Nice.

If we only can memorize these science fiction novels then we'll be saved right? Otherwise we're in for big trouble right?

And our salvation depends on what aliens we accept as our saviors, which ones get access to stargates and which technique we use for DNA upgrades right?

All that stuff about us having to work on ourselves, overcome our carnal minds, surrender to the still small voice within, love our neighbors, take dominion over our own planet and Be reborn in Oneness with the Father within no longer applies huh?

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by TempestGarden

Honestly, this was the biggest problem that I had with her material. After reading the books, I really came away with the feeling that only a select few would make it out of the "doom and gloom" I guess you would call it. It almost struck me as sort of like an elitist club for those that are privileged enough to understand all this stuff and be able to apply it to their lives. In other words, I got the feeling that if you are not part of this "club" for lack of a better term, then you are screwed. Let's face it, there is only a very, very small percentage of the population that has read this material and has an interest in it. I just find it hard to believe that a handful of humanity is going to Ascend, if you want to call it that, and the rest are pretty much doomed. I honestly don't think that the Guardian Alliance (as they are called in the book) would even bother trying to help us at all if this were the scenario/destiny for the majority of this planet. It just doesn't make sense from the perspective of an all loving Creator. *sigh* It's just more food for thought in the vast buffet that is in my head. I really am not sure what to think about the future, the more I read of this material and other sources.

Well, it would be a lot easier if (for example) you could just accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and that would be it. Not so.

What these teachings say is that this is about physics and frequency. As humans, we SHOULD have been taught this stuff from the beginning, but instead it has been hidden and kept from us. There is nothing woo-woo about it, it just seems so since we can't see it (like for instance, electricity). Our reality matrix is made of scalar waves.

Our earth history is incredibly complex, but what is surprising about that. Would you expect to read one book about conventional human history and then expect to know it all? No, people devote their entire lives to this study.

We want everything to be easy and to be given to us, but it is this complacency which has led to the downfall that we are experiencing at this moment.

If this study doesn't interest you, then by all means move on. As Anna Hayes puts it herself, all roads lead to source, either through ascension or fall.

[TempestGarden]

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

If this study doesn't interest you, then by all means move on. As Anna Hayes puts it herself, all roads lead to source, either through ascension or fall.

I never once stated in any of my posts that this stuff doesn't interest me. If I didn't have an interest in it then I wouldn't have struggled through reading several hundreds of pages in the books.

[krokhult]

This material IS difficult - but so is learning to play the piano, master basic yoga postures or understand algebra, geometry and calculus. Everything worth knowing is not going to be simple or easily accessible. All truth will not be pleasant or "positive"...I find much of value in her work, but it demands re-reading at times. Also, the basic philosophy put forth does not require you to buy anything. I have begun using some of the beginning breathing/meditation techniques offered for free on the website and will decide if they are worthwhile as I observe the results.... It is worth noting that the philosophy of using others energy to perpetuate existence (vs. a sustainable, balanced state) describes EXACTLY our curent Earth situation! As above, so below. Look carefully at the ruling philosophies of our planet and they are simply a mirror of what she describes the Illuminati/Master ET races doing on a galactic scale. Not so hard to imagine, really.

[zaina]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Thank you Moxie I was just going to put all that down

I didnt buy her books to get religious training as I dont need it and I dont buy into it.

She does explain how to open up our Chakras and how important it is. So you know yourself that doing this brings love and light into your body. She explains the DNA strands and who has which (ET's, races etc)

She goes one step further and explains more of the reasoning of why we must prepare ourselfs in order to move to the 5th Dimension. She explains the grids and what are aim is for and yes how we achieve it.

I got a better idea of how TPTB's manipulated us to believe that our Creator was evil and going to place judgement on us for our so called sins which is a lie. She points out plots behind 9/11 and all their efforts to keep us their slaves. (zeta-reptilians) She is the first one to openly describe how they came about placing certain beliefs on us. Heaven, hell and limbo and all about reincarnation.

She explains evolution She explains ALOT

I am not going to try and convince you to buy her books..........but I am proud to say that it helps me understand more about this crazy world I live in.

is all this info in her 2 books voyager 1 and 2,if i will purchase them .thanks

[eleni]

Yes, Zaina it is all in those 2 books.

14 Chakras- I do understand what you are saying.........there is something lacking in heart connection........it's all very mental........

[shiva777]

Once again ,I highly recommend Lisa Renee's work at

www.energeticsynthesis.com

...if Ashayana's style and teachings do not fit your temperament(if you are less inclined to be interested in detailed scientific knowledge but resonate with the truth of Ashayanas sharings)...Lisa has the same intimate connection with the "Guardians" and the same depth of understanding as Ashayana has but Lisa's work is not so heavy technically but resonates with the same profound Truths and knowledge...the same framework of understanding as Ashayana's work.We work with the same field of awareness and support as the Keylontic Science crowd do .To get a feel for Lisa's amazing work click the resources Tab on her homepage and read the "LYV newsletters" archive to get a good idea of what ascension and awakening is really about and how the energies are evolving.

Peace and a happy new year for all

[eleni]

Thanks for that link Shiva

[Moxie]

Pardon this long piece, but I am compelled to at least offer this from Voyagers I, in part for 14Chakras inquiry about Christ (there is much more than this, hopefully it may be enough for you 14Chakras to either stop asking for more information or to just read it yourself:

True Guardian Melchizedeks do not teach the "Christ Crucifixion" story, but rather reveal the truth... of the Essene Priest of Ur born 12 BC - the Emerald Order Christed Angelic Human Yani Avatar with a fully activated 12-strand DNA template, who became know as Jesus Christ. True Guardian-Melchizedek Priesthoods and their representatives do NOT teach a patriarchal creed, they teach gender and race equality and they do NOT promote the worship of an externalized god.

The False Creed of the Fallen Angelic promotes the worship of external gods, angelics and false saviors, discards the true teachings of the Inner Christ and human freedom, deceives humanity into powerlessness, fear and subservience and distracts humanity from embracing its heritage as an Angelic Race, placing human destiny at the mercy of false-gods.

Through promotion of this false, patriarchal, externalized Christ Fallen Angelic Templar-Anunnaki Creed humanity's right to have a personal, loving and empowering relationship with Source-God and the Founder Races is denied.... designed to continually enslave, digress and disempower the Angelic Human lineage.

The teachings of Jesheua-Jesus were rapidly distorted and destroyed by human power elite organizations operating under fallen angelic legion influence. The true historical story of Jesheua-Jesus was twisted, edited, literally rewritten and used by factions of both Annu-Elohim/Anunnaki and Drakonian Seraphim fallen angelic legions and their human puppets to promote a control dogma of external Father-God worship.

Jesheua Melchizedek, AKA Jesus Christ, was not crucified and did not die. Jesheua ascended through the Arc of the Covenant passage... in 27 AD. The story of "Christ's crucifixion" was staged by the Annu-Elohim. In 325 AD the remnants of Jesheua's Cloister Inner Christ teachings and the history of his family line were edited and distorted by the Council of Nicea and the Church of Rome in the assembly of the book that became the canonized bible....distorted the remaining Essene True Inner Christ Teachings into a fear-based control dogma intended to uplift the political cause of the Roman Empire to world dominion.

Christiac Legacy - eternal life, is the natural product of 12-strand DNA Template Christos Angelic Human evolution.

"Jesus Christ" was real, but many of the stories told about him are not. What he stood for, the Maharata-teachings of the Inner Christ and the Founders' Emerald Covenant was, and still is, Truth.

Due to corruption of the power-elite within human governments in the ancient world, Christianity was robbed of the truth that Jesheua-Jesus tried to reveal, and ALL of humanity has been subsequently robbed of the freedom, enlightenment, unity, love and joy that Jesheua's teachings were intended to inspire. Jesheua was not the only Speaker of the Emerald Covenant. Through the loss of these ancient teachings...we have temporarily lost the memory of our Christiac Angelic Human potential.

Through the Founders Sacred-Science teachings of the Inner Christ, humanity could learn to re-activate the Angelic Human 12-strand Template, so humans would again become capable of utilizing advanced Planetary Templar Mechanics, which are run through the human DNA Template. If humanity can reawaken the dormant Angelic Human DNA Template, the human body can biologically interface with the electromagnetic functions of Earth's Planetary Templar star gate systems, as it was originally designed to do.

The True Savior of our race has Always lived within each of us, as the sleeping Inner Christed Self that struggles to awaken. Humanity is faced with a choice of allowing the Inner Christos to lead us home, or to crucify the inner Christ that Jesheu modeled for us through the worship of externalized God-personifications.

The Fallen Angelic Races have envisioned and promoted "Armageddon" and "End Times" scenario since the 22,326 BC confrontation, knowing that they intended to instigate war among human nations on Earth as a precursor.... when the time of the final conflict came. The "time" is now, the long-awaited final conflict has arrived.

It is not a drama we need to fear. This is not a conflict that can be resolved by violence. It is a Victory that can be achieved, but only through Spirit, Wisdom and Love. Becoming aware of the challenges .. is half the battle won!

The unfolding drama will force the hand and the answer to the question of
"Internal God vs Externally God Personifed vs No God" will determine the outcome of the final conflict, individually and en masse.

The stage for this "false second-coming/armageddon drama" was intentionally set many thousands of years ago, by Fallen Angelic Annu-Elohim and Anunnaki Legions who knew this time period would bring a Star Gate Opening Cycle.

Learning how to apply the solutions to resolve this drama is easy...
understanding why the solutions are needed is the difficult part...
you must overcome many thousands of years of false Fallen Angelic Legion propaganda, and humanity must reach within to find and awaken the wisdom, power, freedom and love of the Angelic Human Christed Soul... at once, that easy, and that hard.

We can stop this. Part of the Fallen Angelic plan involved the progressive manifestation of staged "holy dramas", as the Fallen Angelics "chosen Ones" are rallied for service and later evacuation... the rally call is now loud and clear with the New Age movement as well as within the dogmas of Traditional World Religions., also heard within the UFO movement, and everywhere promoted within the scientific paradigm of official denial of both the presence of visitors and the existence of the human Soul.

This conflict can be healed.

***my extra thoughts****
There is very clear vocabularzy and perhaps new words/terms not to mention that there are semantic problems/confusion with many people over words and their use such as angels, extraterrestrials.... all these words are defined, explained & cleared up in the books which is so important for proper context.

[Stardustaquarion]

Hi Shiva777, I am a bit mistifyed about your suggestion...Lisa does not claim she works for the Guardian Alliance and she is not one of their speakers

She says that she received guidance from the Melchizedek Guardians, it is likely that was Ashayana, also she was an active participant of the keylonic sciences forum up to janurary 2005... so she might have studied some of the material like any of us.

On the basis that we can receive the information unadulterated from the official speakers or the qualifyed Kathare teachers why go to someone that is not a speaker or a qualifyed teacher?

I have not been able to find any copy right agreement with azurite press either. She is not in the list of the Kathara Alliance who are the only people that are authorized to diseminate these teachings and gone through very complex exams in order to qualify, check yourself:
http://www.azuritepress.com/kathara/...ance_list.html

Also Lisa Renee claims she channels and that is definitely against Guardian Alliance protocol

The Guardian Alliance only makes keylontic transmissions or direct cognission

I have not bought Lisa Renee material, which is rather expensive, so I will be grateful if you tell me what makes you arrive to the conclusion that it is the same material as Keylontic Sciences?

Please don't take me wrong, I am not critical of Lisa Renee's work because I have not examined it in detail but at first glance they are not the same as the Guardian Alliance information


Love

[Moxie]

Yes, her work is extremely interesting, however, it's clear that we are in way over our heads.... even THO she says we have time to develop whatever abilities are needed to avert the Big Picture.

I too can't understand why it is so expensive & time consuming to get involved. If it is this urgent, then it is AS or more urgent to freely provide online courses (starting a few yrs ago!). Still, I'll read her books, they just arrived Friday.

I have a headache.

[TempestGarden]

Originally Posted by Moxie

I have a headache.

Expect that to get worse as you read parts of those books.

Enjoy them though.

[mntruthseeker]

Her work is very complicated and I am struggling to get through her second book.............but its only because my mind is digesting the information very slowly to get it to sink in

She is absolutely wonderful and knowledgable to say the least

Her books cost me 10.00, 16.00 and 11.00 Now that is not expensive so I don't know where that remark came from unless you meant her online classes or CD. Her videos were online FREE for a very long time

I just added the money info because I happen to think that this woman is Brilliant and worth every penny.

The information is something that I never thought I needed to know but my mind wants to soak it all in now. I think that there are others out there that want to nickle and dime you to death but I had to stick up for Ashayana

EXCEPT

Now I see our very own eXchanger on the forum is putting alot of the very same information out there for us and its also very FREE

so a very wonderful Thank You to her......

[TempestGarden]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Her books cost me 10.00, 16.00 and 11.00 Now that is not expensive so I don't know where that remark came from unless you meant her online classes or CD. Her videos were online FREE for a very long time

I wasn't referring to her books, I was talking about her CD/DVD combos as well as some other workbooks that she has done that are only available on her website. The majority of these are very expensive.

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by TempestGarden

I wasn't referring to her books, I was talking about her CD/DVD combos as well as some other workbooks that she has done that are only available on her website. The majority of these are very expensive.

I don't really consider $150 for 4 DVDs plus a substantial workbook to be "very expensive". It is actually quite expensive to produce these things. All a matter of perspective I suppose...