To the founders of Avalon2: Think and feel!

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by Oliver

No personal talk is allowed on the threads, see the rule Steve...and you know what, this is a good rule...but it is not the issue.
Also, this "clique" thing is not serious, in my opinion,if some people want to make a "clique" against the forum, they will not do that on the forum`s page.

Whatever, Steve, it is 1:13 after midnight here..I am going to bed, hoping that different time zones will have something to say here.

Thank you.

Hope you've had a good even and day by the time you read this. I was basically saying it's not as bad as you may think....besides, you should give it a fair go.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

Another matter is this: if Bill & co. push through with their plan to limmit PA1 to 'read only', while the vast majority of its members is opposed to that, what can be concluded from this?

1) A complete lack of respect from Bill & his Mods towards its members.

2) Sheer arrogance

3) Draw your own conclusions. It will be an ugly picture.

This is very true, Trancoso.
I hope Bill and Gareth are not people like this.
Because if they do so, they will loose much.
They must not forget that thousand people are watching them.
There will be immediately a lot of rumors through internet, suspitions will rise, information and disinformation, so whole Project Camelot will lose it`s popularity.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

Another matter is this: if Bill & co. push through with their plan to limmit PA1 to 'read only', while the vast majority of its members is opposed to that, what can be concluded from this?

1) A complete lack of respect from Bill & his Mods towards its members.

2) Sheer arrogance

3) Draw your own conclusions. It will be an ugly picture.

well let me paint a quick picture for all...

You are going to click on this link and appear in the new forum soon, they are archiving this forum so none of the info will be lost and discussions will continue there...

don't be so afraid of change, wait until you wake up one day and find Arizona is oceanfront property...

electricity gone, internet gone... all memories of what we have here and now... gone

Changes are coming whether people are ready or not...

this is a very minor hurdle...

[JesterTerrestrial]

Here is what I THINK and FEEL!!!

CHANGE IS COMING ALRIGHT!!!

I'M DONE HOW CAN I CHILL OUT!!!

TIME!!!

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=21007

SOMETHINGS GOIN ON!!!

[mudra]

Originally Posted by JesterTerrestrial

Here is what I THINK and FEEL!!!

CHANGE IS COMING ALRIGHT!!!

I'M DONE HOW CAN I CHILL OUT!!!

TIME!!!

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=21007

SOMETHINGS GOIN ON!!!

Jester life is about changes .
During these challenging times take guidance not from without but from within.
All outcomes are fine .Everyone has to follow it's heart and move where he feels
he will serve best.
Transcend the dichotomy and walk on your own path.
Stay strong

Love from me
mudra

[JesterTerrestrial]

Originally Posted by mudra

Stay strong

Love from me
mudra

You know it hahahahaa!!!

[TRANCOSO]

So I take it that most of you humbly accept an invitation to participate in Avalon 2, whereby you also sanction the way in which this Palace Revolution has been accomplished?

No, but... Yes, but... No, but...

Free will, free choice, free dumb.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

So I take it that most of you humbly accept an invitation to participate in Avalon 2, whereby you also sanction the way in which this Palace Revolution has been accomplished?

I'm actually completely disgusted, there has been a major revolt, people pounded to stakes and burned, names smeared friends that have tore out each others throats...

and what was all this mess over?

a new piece of software that's all it comes down to...

we haven't changed, we are the same ones that have been here from the beginning.

getting over the pain of a disagreement is easy but black eyes take a little longer to heal...

it's time we started.

[Agape]

My vision of this place was one meant for free people, free thinkers, who don't have to be taught culture as kids do .

Guidelines should be the technical upper limit, something no one needs usually.

To be guest-in-someones-home on internet can be compromising and suggests there will be always some parent-like figures around .

It's not that any of the MODs or ADMINs do ANY wrong. It's simply that under too much mind controls, most people end up behaving like puppets.

The stage has been set up........

A

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by Agape

To be guest-in-someones-home on internet can be compromising and suggests there will be always some parent-like figures around .

A

does it take a parental figure for you not to throw a cigarette on the carpet and crush it in?

maybe you prefer peter pan no parents just kids eating candy and drinking soda no rules no bed times...

There is a thing called responsibility, you don't need to be an adult to understand.

and if a child is welcomed into another's home just because the parents are still working doesn't mean they can't abide by simple rules like kicking off their shoes at the door.

If they leave big old muddy tracks walking around the home in their shoes do you think they will be invited back?

[mudra]

FredKc ,

You are right I was'nt registered in PA2 when I viewed it's topics.
Therefore my announcement here that there was no spirituality section
in that forum was a hasty step taken without further thought.
I see how this made the community a disservice.
I am pleased to see a spirituality area exists in PA2 as this will
keep it in balance.
I thank you for putting things straight and apologize to all members for my relaying of incorrect information.

Peace
mudra

[SteveX]

Originally Posted by mudra

FredKc ,

You are right I was'nt registered in PA2 when I viewed it's topics.
Therefore my announcement here that there was no spirituality section
in that forum was a hasty step taken without further thought.
I see how this made the community a disservice.
I am pleased to see a spirituality area exists in PA2 as this will
keep it in balance.
I thank you for putting things straight and apologize to all members for my relaying of incorrect information.

Peace
mudra

We can only make decisions and observations off the information we are given. What would you prefer to base your observations on? Correct information or title tattle over the garden fence. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...7&postcount=71

[Moxie]

It makes sense to me that when there is a breakup, separation, divorce...
a major parting of the ways between 2 extremely passionate people that were founders of a groundbreaking website with a bold, even dangerous mission...

it's Natural for each of them to want to relocate, to lay claim to a Brand New Home that is All Theirs! Perhaps too many memories of compromise in the walls of the former one, it's like trying to restore a historical house, it takes complete gutting!

To Kerry... to Bill .... best wishes to both of you.

[mudra]

Originally Posted by SteveX

We can only make decisions and observations off the information we are given. What would you prefer to base your observations on? Correct information or title tattle over the garden fence. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showp...7&postcount=71

I concur with you Steve .Over the last weeks the community has been asking ,waiting, begging , shouting to get proper informations regarding what had taken place between the mods on one side and PA2 's settings on the other.
The release of all necessary infos clearly delineated from someone in charge at the top would be most welcome here . The absence of this leads to speculation and finally unfortunately lack of trust.
The fact that invitations to PA2 have begun should be have been a clear announcement to all and also imo all the invites be launched at the same time .
With the absence or lack of a clear stir the boat is rocking.

Love Always
mudra

[JesterTerrestrial]

These questions have been answered more then once by more then one person.

Since many seem to want to believe something different, any efforts at answering your question is futile..

MY QUESTIONS HAVE NOT BEEN ANSWERED!!! IN FACT MORE INFORMATION HAS BEEN MISTED!!!

THE THREAD YOU STARTED CALLED TIME HAS BEEN REMOVED!!!

because she has an agenda to run this fourm into the ground!!!

by starting piles of thread and overunning the fourm with her posts!!!


no wonder so many other members are upset!!!

what do ya think

I got a question for you

WHO ARE YOU!!!

WHO DO YOU WORK FOR!!!

MA'AT

edit to add to say...this I do not know for sure and please truly forgive if I am wrong...but there seems to be some serious concerns! and i am tired of the pressure inside this cooker! My sky is filled with chem trails AGAIN...I'm DONE!!!

SOMETHING GOING ON!!! AND I AM COMPLETELY LOSING IT!!!

Originally Posted by JesterTerrestrial

Here is what I THINK and FEEL!!!

CHANGE IS COMING ALRIGHT!!!

I'M DONE HOW CAN I CHILL OUT!!!

TIME!!!

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=21007

SOMETHINGS GOIN ON!!!

please forgive MY bluntness!

I am already mystified so pull the plug on me if you can't handle my energy!!!

Then the rest of Avalon where know where you really stand!!!

Its time alright!!!

For PEACE!!!

and another thing...

Where is Gia Love!!!

And Bill!!!

I got a couple question for you before we move ahead.

WHO THE HECK IS DRIVING THIS SHIP???

How can we ever restore balance to this damaged community.



I just want peace. On this planet!!!

Respect to those who stand for truth!!!

AND NEVER GIVE UP!!!

JT!

And now...you can not read what I think and feel here...because the thread has been deleted!!!

WHY!!!

HOWS IN CHARGE OF THIS SHIP!!!

WHY WAS THIS THREAD DELETED!!!

HERE IS A COPY OF WHAT WAS POSTED!!!

hmmmmm....not overly a lot of answers eh!!!

I AN NOT PREPARED TO PROCEED WITH AVALON 2!!!

BECAUSE I LACK CONFIDENCE IN OUR LEADERSHIP!!!

SO DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM @ AVALON NOW!!!

HOW CAN WE SHARE ADVANCED INFORMATION!!!

and a few other posts that i have saved I could dig up!!!

SO NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER MISSING THREAD!!!

SOMETHING IS GOING ON AND UNTIL WE GET TO THE BOTTOM

I AM NOT READY TO MOVE ON!!! THERE IS A PROBLEM HERE!!!

[xbusymom]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

Another matter is this: if Bill & co. push through with their plan to limmit PA1 to 'read only', while the vast majority of its members is opposed to that, what can be concluded from this?

1) A complete lack of respect from Bill & his Mods towards its members.

2) Sheer arrogance

3) Draw your own conclusions. It will be an ugly picture.

1) I looked at the site rules... nothing unusual - pretty much stock guidelines (except for the "put your products/services in NETWORKING PRODUCTS , but no advertising or you will get the boot"- is kind of confusing). It just looks... sterile... cause nobody is there yet... they have 2 skins - 1 dark/1 light, maybe they can add more of a choice later on... why the fuss over colors and layout... what really makes up a forum is the people!

and

2) maybe closing down A1 is just a matter of finalizing the divorce between camelot and avalon... you know... can't live in half a house or drive half a car...lol

so... what?... are your priorities with the site name or with the community of people... just go where everyone migrates to... or be left behind... its a matter of choice and perspective... move and be positive OR stay and be negative (personally I would want to choose the positive path, and really get a chance to make a difference in the world- which is what the original intention was - right?)

[Fredkc]

Ok, I will begin by explaining why I have not posted more than 10 words in the last week, or so.

It can best be explained by the fact that when I went to the "New Posts" page, this morning, 12 out of the first 25 threads were nothing but sniveling, whiny, ill-informed, ill-meant posts by the REAL people who have destroyed this form.

Congratulations! The two-faced, back-stabbers and their uncanny ability to kick a sick dog in the stomach, when it isn't looking, has really shown me the path, and behavior of the truly enlightened.
________________________________

Next!
Now that I have already run off everyone with absolutely no interest in them... allow me to provide some actual AV2 facts:

1. PM's and personal pages:
Yes! There are "personal pages, where people can mark each other as friends, share quips, quotes, pictures, links, just like this place.

Now, I know just what all the good-hearted, trusting people here will say, "Oh he is possessed by Satan, or his bride, or hell why not... he IS Satan himself, the father of liars". So... while I attempt to straighten a few things out, I will provide fake photographic evidence, to prove it.

Exhibit A:


Boy, if I didn't know better that looks like a "personal page", of someone else, with a message on it, from me. But wait... it gets better.

You have the ability to not only "have a page" to share, it has 3 additional things (I've found so far) to boot:

1. You can have a collection of things there which are visible to everyone.
2. You can have things in a "private section" NOT visible to everyone.
3. You even have a third place where you can store notes and links solely for yourself!

Finally, yes you can send PM's to anyone on the forum!
_______________________________

2. Guidelines:

I won`t refer to all rules/guidelines of Avalon 2.
Just this - too rigorous!

First of all, I read the guidelines page as well. I've been looking at "forum guidelines" pages for about 11 years now, and I don't see much that is different from any other one. Yes, they are about a page, and a half long, but they get that way, when you are forced to pry something as simple as:

"If you don't know how to act like a guest in someone's home, use the door, or we'll have to show it to you."

into language any Internet Lawyer can pour over for hours, and hours, looking for loopholes that give them, and only them the right to act like a complete jerk.

I see nothing in these, I haven't seen in many other forums. and YES, that includes reserving the right to either alter, or delete anyone's post, any time, for any reason. I'll also say that, from my experience, a forum that doesn't do that, probably lasts 10-30 days.

Next, let me take the opportunity to add that, for those who think Mists Of Avalon is God's own answer to this, there are already posts over there complaining about threads being (gasp!) deleted, and threads being edited by the mods.

Wait! I just checked. Not only are several threads missing, but the thread complaining about missing, and edited threads is missing too! Aw gee. paradise lost, so soon.
_______________________________

Mudra;
There isn't any Spirituality subdivision either in PA2.

Well, Mudra said it, so it must be true, right? So...



I guess there is no Spirituality section, and there isn't already 5 posts in it, including one of mine.

While I am on that, Mudra...
Didn't you decide this place was unworthy of your continued attention, so you were leaving 3 days ago ? Yet here you are, posting in one of the "Let's beat a dead horse" threads... still.

I also notice that the special section, at M.O.Av. with your name on it was also deleted in the last 15 minutes (6:15 PDT).

Let me ask all the AV 2 detractors a simple question:
Were any of you logged in while you were there?

You see, much isn't visible yet, to people who aren't logged in. That also is a management decision. You see when someone pays for someplace to exist then, just like their home, they can do things like that.

Understanding this though, would take one of two things:
1. Having a bit of trust or faith in what Bill Ryan intends, and waiting.
2. Being a guest in someone's home.
_____________________________

It has been very hard for me to keep my mouth shut, while people I once had respect for, have used zero information, bad information, assumptions, even assumptions made by others, and outright lies and pettiness to make a place I really loved, into something I still love, now covered with bovine excrement; and laughing while they did it.

But I gave my word to keep quiet on many subjects until PA 2 development was farther along. I kept that promise. Meanwhile people I once respected lined up around the block to pee on someone elses tree, "out of respect".

This explains why this post isn't full of "sweetness and light". Trust me, it is no form of apology, either. I'll save that for Bill Ryan, if he thinks I was out of line here.

I do wonder what happened to people practicing a little faith, and trust. Has gratitude come up, lately?

I'm done.
Fred

[Sideshow Shaman]

Originally Posted by Fredkc

<rant>Ok, I will begin by explaining sniveling, whiny, ill-informed, ill-meant destroyed two-faced, back-stabbers kick a sick dog Satan or hell liars fake prove Boy complete jerk delete is God's complaining
Wait! right? So... </rant>

[pertinent section begins here]
is no Spirituality section, and there isn't already 5 posts in it, including one of mine.

While I am on that, unworthy of beat a dead horse detractors a simple question:
Were any of you logged in while you were there?

You see, much isn't visible yet, to people who aren't logged in.
[pertinent section ends here]

<rant>pays for trust shut, zero assumptions lies and pettiness loved bovine excrement gave my word to pee respect
I'm done.</rant>

Fred

Fred, please return to being somewhat reasonable. It should be clear to you that those of us incapable of logging in to PA2 can, in fact, not see the spirituality section. You hinted at this, let me verify it as someone that cannot log in. It is not present as read only.

I hope you don't take offense at my shortening of the rant part. A little humor can sometimes dispell anger. And perhaps you will recognize that this is how many people read posts loaded with so much negativity.

We can agree that the new house rules are not unusual. Enjoy your new forum.

[Ross H]

Hi all,

For those who think AV2 is going to be a dark place, an elitist run forum, will humour be allowed? (as suggested by swanny) then dont register, go elsewhere.

Of course none of the above is true so until you register to find out for your self you will not know for yourself. Some of you are hell bent in assuming it will not be the place for you. Just register and see, tho anyone, who from past posts experience show that they are distructive wont be invited and they are few. So register, then we invite you, if not already invited, remember there are several thousand members. As per Bill Ryans request for the forum.

Those who don't register then find another forum that you do like or perhaps start your own, no easy feat, Admins, Mods and yes $$$ amongst plenty of other issues.

As a Mod and a volunteer this job is not easy i assure you! especially when there are far more serious issue to attend to, like family, work, paying bills, tending to flood damage the last 2 weeks, maintaining relationships, keeping grounded, getting enough sleep, lawns and gardens that are in serious need of attention, etc, ect.

I'l remind some here that when a 'real crisis' rears it head in ones life, like serious injury, ill health, very sick children, death to close ones etc, then PA/AV2 will be the lest important thing on your mind, then, one is reminded of whats really important.


Peace to you all

Sincerely

Ross H

[Floyd]

Originally Posted by Ross H

Hi all,





Those who don't register then find another forum that you do like or perhaps start your own, no easy feat, Admins, Mods and yes $$$ amongst plenty of other issues.

As a Mod and a volunteer this job is not easy i assure you! especially when there are far more serious issue to attend to, like family, work, paying bills, tending to flood damage the last 2 weeks, maintaining relationships, keeping grounded, getting enough sleep, lawns and gardens that are in serious need of attention, etc, ect.

I'l remind some here that when a 'real crisis' rears it head in ones life, like serious injury, ill health, very sick children, death to close ones etc, then PA/AV2 will be the lest important thing on your mind, then, one is reminded of whats really important.


Peace to you all

Sincerely

Ross H

It is indeed tricky to run a forum but it doesnt cost me a penny. not one single sausage. Good luck with your new venture.

[Oliver]

Originally Posted by Fredkc

Ok, I will begin by explaining why I have not posted more than 10 words in the last week, or so.

It can best be explained by the fact that when I went to the "New Posts" page, this morning, 12 out of the first 25 threads were nothing but sniveling, whiny, ill-informed, ill-meant posts by the REAL people who have destroyed this form.

Congratulations! The two-faced, back-stabbers and their uncanny ability to kick a sick dog in the stomach, when it isn't looking, has really shown me the path, and behavior of the truly enlightened.
________________________________

Next!
Now that I have already run off everyone with absolutely no interest in them... allow me to provide some actual AV2 facts:

1. PM's and personal pages:
Yes! There are "personal pages, where people can mark each other as friends, share quips, quotes, pictures, links, just like this place.

Now, I know just what all the good-hearted, trusting people here will say, "Oh he is possessed by Satan, or his bride, or hell why not... he IS Satan himself, the father of liars". So... while I attempt to straighten a few things out, I will provide fake photographic evidence, to prove it.

Exhibit A:


Boy, if I didn't know better that looks like a "personal page", of someone else, with a message on it, from me. But wait... it gets better.

You have the ability to not only "have a page" to share, it has 3 additional things (I've found so far) to boot:

1. You can have a collection of things there which are visible to everyone.
2. You can have things in a "private section" NOT visible to everyone.
3. You even have a third place where you can store notes and links solely for yourself!

Finally, yes you can send PM's to anyone on the forum!
_______________________________

2. Guidelines:
First of all, I read the guidelines page as well. I've been looking at "forum guidelines" pages for about 11 years now, and I don't see much that is different from any other one. Yes, they are about a page, and a half long, but they get that way, when you are forced to pry something as simple as:

"If you don't know how to act like a guest in someone's home, use the door, or we'll have to show it to you."

into language any Internet Lawyer can pour over for hours, and hours, looking for loopholes that give them, and only them the right to act like a complete jerk.

I see nothing in these, I haven't seen in many other forums. and YES, that includes reserving the right to either alter, or delete anyone's post, any time, for any reason. I'll also say that, from my experience, a forum that doesn't do that, probably lasts 10-30 days.

Next, let me take the opportunity to add that, for those who think Mists Of Avalon is God's own answer to this, there are already posts over there complaining about threads being (gasp!) deleted, and threads being edited by the mods.

Wait! I just checked. Not only are several threads missing, but the thread complaining about missing, and edited threads is missing too! Aw gee. paradise lost, so soon.
_______________________________

Well, Mudra said it, so it must be true, right? So...



I guess there is no Spirituality section, and there isn't already 5 posts in it, including one of mine.

While I am on that, Mudra...
Didn't you decide this place was unworthy of your continued attention, so you were leaving 3 days ago ? Yet here you are, posting in one of the "Let's beat a dead horse" threads... still.

I also notice that the special section, at M.O.Av. with your name on it was also deleted in the last 15 minutes (6:15 PDT).

Let me ask all the AV 2 detractors a simple question:
Were any of you logged in while you were there?

You see, much isn't visible yet, to people who aren't logged in. That also is a management decision. You see when someone pays for someplace to exist then, just like their home, they can do things like that.

Understanding this though, would take one of two things:
1. Having a bit of trust or faith in what Bill Ryan intends, and waiting.
2. Being a guest in someone's home.
_____________________________

It has been very hard for me to keep my mouth shut, while people I once had respect for, have used zero information, bad information, assumptions, even assumptions made by others, and outright lies and pettiness to make a place I really loved, into something I still love, now covered with bovine excrement; and laughing while they did it.

But I gave my word to keep quiet on many subjects until PA 2 development was farther along. I kept that promise. Meanwhile people I once respected lined up around the block to pee on someone elses tree, "out of respect".

This explains why this post isn't full of "sweetness and light". Trust me, it is no form of apology, either. I'll save that for Bill Ryan, if he thinks I was out of line here.

I do wonder what happened to people practicing a little faith, and trust. Has gratitude come up, lately?

I'm done.
Fred

Fred,

You are using pretty sharp and insulting words here. It is very easy and shallow way to answer you the same way, but I will answer you with respect, although you are not respecting me anymore, as I saw in your post.

I bet you are quite emotional as most of us are here, even though you are insisting on pure "facts". And, as you can probably see, it is all about emotions. And it is good to be like that, I find them most precious characteristic of the humans. It is not "snivelling" as you say, because if you do not understand, showing emotions is a courageous act: to show “weakness” exactly were somebody very "tough" will interpret and ridicule them in a considerable cruel way. And all of this while a flood of crocodile tears are in front of you, exactly at the front page...floating toward Avalon2.

I really apologize that I didn’t see there is personal page for members, but as somebody told you, I couldn’t log on to see everything there, since I was not invited. (It is interesting that this morning, after last night posting of this thread, I saw invitation to join Avalon 2 in my e-mail. Quite interesting. Thank you for the invitation, Gareth, I will think about it).

As for the guidelines, I am staying at my point that they are to rigorous and too many, and can be misused in many ways to shut up different opinions or critical approaches. I am standing on this point, not only because of rules itself, but mostly because of what was happening here last weeks, when so called "hard hand" made a massacre on this forum. I understand the reasons - orders were given and must be executed.

You, Fred, pretty much insists on the fact that Avalon is owned. Sure, we know this, but do you really know who made Avalon to be such a great place? The members, their love and dedication. Until Bill do not realize that Avalon is beyond his (and Kerry`s and admins and mods) personality, there will be not much followers, and there will be problems. This kind of people here does not like "bosses" and "hard hands" to cut them as infantile. They have responsibility, integrity and dignity and, you know what - THE COURAGE in their hearts to show their disagreement. THIS is what makes Avalon a beautiful and great place to be, and all this days I am proud to be part of such a group of people. They do no care so much will they be invited to Avalon2 or not, because they love truth and freedom most of all. If you believe me, this is great "capital" and potential for Avalon.

And also, do not judge them for being present on The Mists of Avalon. Try to understand first why they are there. They love each other, they just want to be together, not divided. With all mistakes.

I know there are some hidden poisoned serpents here that are using this big arguing and polemic for their agenda to destroy Avalon. I am noticing them, it can’t be proved, but they will succeed only if Avalon becomes highly controlled forum, I am sure about this.

Now, I would like to ask you this. Who are "the two-faced, back-stabbers and their uncanny ability to kick a sick dog in the stomach, when it isn't looking...", as you wrote? You need to answer, if you are honest, and if you have "facts" about it.

Is that me? Did my opening post looks like that for you, and inspired you to write such cowardice, without names? Is that Mudra? Or Greybeard? Or Jester Terrestrial. First, they have no knifes, they have swords of truth, love and freedom in their hearts. Don’t you understand that you are showing a totalitarian way of judging, Fred? Didn’t you understand who is making all this upset and mess on Avalon all this days, with posting nonsense threads, banning, irritating people?

So, do we have right to be emotional and to ask what Avalon2 will be like, after all of this? As I stated, I would like it to be great success, but there are too many elements that make us to be suspicious, and to ask questions. We all love Avalon; I know you love it too, very much - but WHY IS NECESSARY TO BE CLOSED, if we all love it so much? Why? Why only by invitation? Why you are invited, and somebody else not? Who is making criteria? What are criteria? WHAT is criteria itself, if you understand me. Too many unanswered question, my friend.

Finally, I would like to think all of this is a kind of great catharsis for all of us. I hope there is a way Avalon to rise again even stronger, even more important and more influential, together with Camelot.
But, stop divisions! Rise up oneness! It’s our way.

I once again apologize for misunderstandings.

With Love and RESPECT.

[mudra]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Fred,

You are using pretty sharp and insulting words here. It is very easy and shallow way to answer you the same way, but I will answer you with respect, although you are not respecting me anymore, as I saw in your post.

I bet you are quite emotional as most of us are here, even though you are insisting on pure "facts". And, as you can probably see, it is all about emotions. And it is good to be like that, I find them most precious characteristic of the humans. It is not "snivelling" as you say, because if you do not understand, showing emotions is a courageous act: to show “weakness” exactly were somebody very "tough" will interpret and ridicule them in a considerable cruel way. And all of this while a flood of crocodile tears are in front of you, exactly at the front page...floating toward Avalon2.

I really apologize that I didn’t see there is personal page for members, but as somebody told you, I couldn’t log on to see everything there, since I was not invited. (It is interesting that this morning, after last night posting of this thread, I saw invitation to join Avalon 2 in my e-mail. Quite interesting. Thank you for the invitation, Gareth, I will think about it).

As for the guidelines, I am staying at my point that they are to rigorous and too many, and can be misused in many ways to shut up different opinions or critical approaches. I am standing on this point, not only because of rules itself, but mostly because of what was happening here last weeks, when so called "hard hand" made a massacre on this forum. I understand the reasons - orders were given and must be executed.

You, Fred, pretty much insists on the fact that Avalon is owned. Sure, we know this, but do you really know who made Avalon to be such a great place? The members, their love and dedication. Until Bill do not realize that Avalon is beyond his (and Kerry`s and admins and mods) personality, there will be not much followers, and there will be problems. This kind of people here does not like "bosses" and "hard hands" to cut them as infantile. They have responsibility, integrity and dignity and, you know what - THE COURAGE in their hearts to show their disagreement. THIS is what makes Avalon a beautiful and great place to be, and all this days I am proud to be part of such a group of people. They do no care so much will they be invited to Avalon2 or not, because they love truth and freedom most of all. If you believe me, this is great "capital" and potential for Avalon.

And also, do not judge them for being present on The Mists of Avalon. Try to understand first why they are there. They love each other, they just want to be together, not divided. With all mistakes.

I know there are some hidden poisoned serpents here that are using this big arguing and polemic for their agenda to destroy Avalon. I am noticing them, it can’t be proved, but they will succeed only if Avalon becomes highly controlled forum, I am sure about this.

Now, I would like to ask you this. Who are "the two-faced, back-stabbers and their uncanny ability to kick a sick dog in the stomach, when it isn't looking...", as you wrote? You need to answer, if you are honest, and if you have "facts" about it.

Is that me? Did my opening post looks like that for you, and inspired you to write such cowardice, without names? Is that Mudra? Or Greybeard? Or Jester Terrestrial. First, they have no knifes, they have swords of truth, love and freedom in their hearts. Don’t you understand that you are showing a totalitarian way of judging, Fred? Didn’t you understand who is making all this upset and mess on Avalon all this days, with posting nonsense threads, banning, irritating people?

So, do we have right to be emotional and to ask what Avalon2 will be like, after all of this? As I stated, I would like it to be great success, but there are too many elements that make us to be suspicious, and to ask questions. We all love Avalon; I know you love it too, very much - but WHY IS NECESSARY TO BE CLOSED, if we all love it so much? Why? Why only by invitation? Why you are invited, and somebody else not? Who is making criteria? What are criteria? WHAT is criteria itself, if you understand me. Too many unanswered question, my friend.

Finally, I would like to think all of this is a kind of great catharsis for all of us. I hope there is a way Avalon to rise again even stronger, even more important and more influential, together with Camelot.
But, stop divisions! Rise up oneness! It’s our way.

I once again apologize for misunderstandings.

With Love and RESPECT.

Thank you for you wise words Oliver.
You took a great stand my friend and demonstrated you can speak from your Heart.
As Always .

Love from me
mudra

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Agree Chris, a new thread-petition should be opened...Please, do it Chris, it is your proposal.

Dont forget about the "Mists of Avalon" forum. There is a lot of activity there.

http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...avalon&act=idx

[Oliver]

Since all of us will must make a personal decision, here is mine.
I decided to be member to all 3 forums, where Avalonians are in the moment - Avalon2, The Mists of Avalon and this Avalon, till it is still alive.
I am giving a chance to Avalon 2 with clear heart, hopping there can be a new better start, but if I sense some behavior that made so much damage to the comunity - I will leave also with clear heart.
The Mists of Avalon is also part of us - we are the same people, with the same hearts.
Hopping that we shall find a way to fix and repair what is done, I wish you all to follow your hearts and to have your decisions as it is best for you.

Love and Respect

[rhythm]

Originally Posted by Oliver

Since all of us will must make a personal decision, here is mine.
I decided to be member to all 3 forums, where Avalonians are in the moment - Avalon2, The Mists of Avalon and this Avalon, till it is still alive.
I am giving a chance to Avalon 2 with clear heart, hopping there can be a new better start, but if I sense some behavior that made so much damage to the comunity - I will leave also with clear heart.
The Mists of Avalon is also part of us - we are the same people, with the same hearts.
Hopping that we shall find a way to fix and repair what is done, I wish you all to follow your hearts and to have your decisions as it is best for you.

Love and Respect

yes this is my choice too ,, its simply more choice...SIMPLE