God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, Amen Ra, Hathor, Abraxasinas, Thubans,

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for yet another thoughtful comment.

There are probably malevolent humans and aliens playing God. There are probably benevolent humans and aliens trying to counter the first group...by playing God themselves. There probably is no all knowing, all loving, all present, all powerful God who created the Universe and who reigns supremely over all of creation. I could be very, very wrong...and would gladly eat humble pie...and wash it down with a big cup of shut the...never mind. I picture Lucifer and friends as playing the roles of both God and Satan. Yet there seems to be a God and Satan within each of us. There seems to be an ongoing power struggle. To me...reading the Bible makes a lot more sense...if one reads it with all of the above in mind. But this can get very complicated and confusing...which is why I am trying to think of spiritual things in the context of the U.S. Constitution...with a particular focus on Responsible Freedom. This probably sounds corny...but we need very simple...yet effective solutions for humanity...or they will not work. In essence...I keep repeating that 2+2=4. I keep restating the obvious...because I fear that humanity is so screwed-up...that this needs to be done...for a while anyway. Sometimes...one must over-do in order to un-do. This is just how I see things presently. This could change at any time...and without prior notice.

Regarding the exalting of humanity...what I mean is that I want everyone to make it and to do well. I will not consider that only a select few will make it. This is why I have no plans to escape the coming supposed calamities. I will go down with the ship...and would gladly give up my spot in a lifeboat to someone else. I like the soldiers and police who I deal with almost every day...so I don't intend to run away from them or fight with them...no matter what. Hell...I even want the alien races and Lucifer to survive and thrive. I know I'm living in a dreamworld...but I like my little dreamworld...called orthodoxymoronland.

[orthodoxymoron]

Lucifer...Is your situation similar to that of Colonel Kurtz in the movie 'Apocalypse Now'? Is this the situation of EVERY being who has EVER attempted to be God? The horror. I feel a bit like Charlie Sheen in this thread...Lucifer. But I don't want you to die. I just want you to retire. And then I want you to make sure that this BS never, ever happens again...anywhere in the universe...with any being. You can be the God-Cop(with very limited authority-obviously). Three commandments I give unto you: I. Thou Shalt Have No Gods. II. Thou Shalt Not Be A God. III. Thou Shalt Not Be An A$$hole. World Without End. Amen Ra. Fair enough? Any questions? Has anyone...going back millions of years...ever said anything like this to you? Finish the Job. Retire. Do It.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iw1KobfPwk
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQqq3e03EBQ
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGTe1...eature=related

[lindabaker]

Oh, Fourteen, what a wonderful post! I really agree with you about so much. LB

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm still waiting for a reasonably detailed critique of the first post. I consider this forum to be sort of a brain-storming session behind closed doors. I realize that there are many visitors...but public exposure is very limited. Even among active members...there is very limited interest in this sort of thread. I suspect that the people who monitor sites such as this one...may be alarmed at times...but they shouldn't worry. Not yet anyway!

[orthodoxymoron]

Regarding the Stargate video of Ra in the first post...I received this response:

'Y'all love fantisizing over my ancestral decorations, places, spirituality that you don't get, the greatness you won't achieve, and the melanin you'll never have. This depiction of my ancestors is pathetic. Y'all always make them look just as degenerative and recessive as you. Anyway, play and have fun as much as you still can. Yes you are running out of time, and to be honest, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. I have no mercy, you lie and mock and blasphem all the way to hell.'

On another website...I received this message:

'You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!'

I once heard a mocking, sing-song, high-pitched feminine sounding voice...emanating from a usually deep and masculine voiced televangelist...directed toward me...in public...almost shouting 'That was gooooooood!!!!'...in reaction to a polite, well intentioned, and well reasoned comment by me.

This was a short unedited internet exchange I had some time ago:

ME: What if the aliens who have been here for thousands of years are the 'bad-guys'? What if we will need the help of good aliens from elsewhere to get rid of the demonic aliens who are already here? Could this be viewed as a hostile alien attack? I really don't know. I am just speculating.

THEM: Try not to think in terms of good or bad. Understand this is not your planet. Then, understand nothing can be done to you that you don't do to yourself. Know that there are quadrillions of planets and they don't have a massive climate change every 26,000 years and violent deranged people like yourselves. Why on Earth would any race want to live here with you knowingly? The most intelligent life on the planet is not human.

ME: I'll try not to think of the Iraq War in terms of good or bad. I'll try to be morally ambiguous. I might even become CIA or a CEO. Hey, maybe violent and deranged is neither good nor bad...but thinking makes it so. The aliens who are here need us to not get our acts together. If that happens...they'll probably have to live on Nibiru...or worse. Sorry for being a smart-ass. Wait...I'm not sorry...it's neither good nor bad. I couldn't resist. I mean well. Really.

THEM: And your point was?...............

ME: Who owns earth? Where do humans belong? What is the most intelligent life on earth? If they are so smart, and earth is so bad...why are they here? I may be deranged...but I'm not violent. You sound as though you are not human...are you an alien? If so...what kind...and from where? My point was that ethics are supremely important. I don't hurt, kill, terrorize, or abduct people...but some aliens apparently do(as do some humans). They should stop.

THEM II: Don't we like...create our own world? We're destroying our own world because our society isn't healthy.

ME: Our planet is how we plan it. Perhaps we need to fire some people in the planning department. You're right...society is sick...mentally ill. Perhaps our world is the Devil's Island Insane Asylum of the Universe. But it seems that some of the inmates are getting well...and helping other inmates to get well. Jail Break! Jail Break! Free at Last! Free at Last!

No further comments in this exchange. My questions went unanswered. The silence was deafening.

Was that you Lucifer?

Regarding the Stargate Ra video comment...many years ago a Roman Catholic musician related to me that a priest had asked 'What if God is a black woman?' I now wonder: What if this goes back to the Dogon Tribe or to Ancient Egypt? What if Lucifer aka The God of This World...is a young black woman(with the soul of an alien from Sirius)...The Prince of Sirius and The Prince of This World? What if Lucifer is a gorgeous Sex Goddess? Now I've really gone off the deep-end...right? I'm crazy...but I mean no harm. I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it! And I just love nuts on dates!

Hey Lucifer...how about a debate-date? We could debate architecture, music, theology, eschatology, universal history, universal governance, transition of power, etc...at Mork 'n Ork's Grey Bar...on the Dark Side of the Moon! What exactly shall we talk about? We could discuss the Soteriological and Eschatalogical Implications of the Hybrid Nature of the God of This World...or Original Sin in Heaven: The Mystery of Iniquity in the Great Controversy Between the Reptilian and Human Races in the Conflict of the Ages. That would just be an appetizer. Protection would obviously be a major concern. You'd have to promise not to bite my head off on the first date. I'm not really into the really rough stuff...like black widow tough love. You're the one my mother warned me about...in the book of Revelation! The NSA wouldn't mind handling the logistics...would they? Do you mind if I call you Lucy? If the date goes well...I could say 'I love Lucy!' Notice the Satanic hand-sign at 2:24!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7F2X...relatedYouTube - Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is another internet encounter which I found to be very interesting:

Veronica: Mad humans always existed, just don’t blame their actions (if existed) to the Reptilians. Is too easy to say people are been led by other species evils than admit that there are humans nuts by themselves. Reptilians are good, they only approach a human when they fall in love, and to do good to the beloved person. Satan is a word that means "attorney" in the original language. It is not an individual, the word can apply to many alien lawyer that have nothing to do with humans.

Orthodoxymoron: Is the Old Testament God really Satan...a Reptilian. Could the "attorney" definition have something to do with the legalism seen in the Old Testament? We humans are pretty disgusting in our own right...but I suspect that evil spirits and evil aliens make things a lot worse. Who is responsible for abductions, mutilations, etc? And what about the frightful appearance of alleged Reptilians. I'm not anti-alien...just anti-evil.

Veronica: Thanks for commenting on my post, and for the opportunity of bringing up this subject. The Old Testament Satan came from a species called Man of Tri. He was a good guy, having a beautiful personal trajectory of defending social rights on his planet, extremely intelligent, only bright and right lawyers are chosen to be a Satan. At the time he arrived on Earth, unfortunately, he had become insane, and he did a lot of harm, but it was because he was ill. His species lives 8.000 to 10.000 years of Earth, and he stayed much of this time here, doing harm. As there was few personnel from other species working here, few angels and lots of work to do in those days, nobody caught him. I am not aware if Eden destituted him while he was alive, but he did not act as a Satan here, though he had the Satan seal because he was a nominated Satan ( by Eden High Council). He acted as an insane man, because he was maddened by an illness. See, there is Good and Bad, and there is Evil. Good and Bad are complementary in a context. Evil is out of place. This is because the source of Evil is an illness. It is a virus. We call it virus of Tri because was first detected there. This virus attacks a small percentage of most populations. All species are united to find the cure, all species have problems with maddened guys, and, as humans, in all species most individuals are good guys living by common sense and good social rules.

Orthodoxymoron: Your website is very interesting. I'm wondering if you have heard of, seen or read a book titled 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so, what is your opinion? What is your opinion regarding the Teachings of Jesus? What is your opinion regarding the U.S. Constitution? What can you tell me about the New World Order? Is it really the Old Alien Order? Who was ultimately responsible for 9/11? Satan as a mentally-ill attorney is a fascinating possibility...

Veronica: I will bring the answers here later, just stopped quickly now to thank you. The FAQ is stuck for lack of questions and you really do good ones.
I don’t speak alone, I am supported by Lucifer embassy and by Eden. I got a long message from a Messenger Angel about these, it will take a while to translate, but I will let you know. Basically, about the book of Ellen White as well as the Teaching of Jesus, the message focus on the fact that we are the ones making the history now, there is no need to focus on history to know anything important. Each happening of history is fit for the time it happened. Constitution, summary: the real law is the law of Nature, not clearly understood yet, and the value of the C. relies on its closeness to the natural laws, not imposing limits to it. The C. is to assure freedom, but the freedom only exists when there is no need of law, be to limit, be to let free, other than the nature. As an overview, the U.S. Constitution is advanced, but not finished. Nature allow development and technology, as it works for the Aliens. What changes is the concept about life. New World Order never existed. If humans made their organizations, they were never powerful to threaten the entire world. Never existed an Alien Order, they are ordinary civilizations, with teachers and accountants and social philosophies, living well and satisfied, solving their problems as everyone else. I know it is hard to believe after all this negative marketing, but they are just here doing routine. About 9/11 the answer of the Angels is: All that participated of 9/11 are already dead.

I will put the answers here if you don’t mind, not to overload the comments on the video. You are welcome. The old testament is genuine, it was transmitted by Eden, and the prophets translated the best they could, but the angel’s language is not a piece of cake, and there are many misinterpretations, specially after translated to other languages and analyzed. People have the right to know how things are. I am a fallen angel, you probably heard that we born in human form. We have being trying to tell these things for many millennia, but the kings always kill us and burn our books. But this time there is Internet. I am telling this things on You Tube because I am still not sure if the powers of human will not try to burn the books again, if we start to speak to many people at once. Though the world is more civilized now. When you feel comfortable you can visit my blog, there is many more there about the Creation. There is also a book for download, it is a poem done by me with the angel Ariel, that is my brother. It was done to heal the heart, when people sometimes feel tired of the harshness of life. All material there is free and Creative Commons, we don’t want anything from anyone. We speak because it takes us closer of home. Have a great week.


About spirits: The spirits disturb, really. The fact is that spirits must remain sleeping, and when they are awake they do disturbance. What is important to understand is that never had, and there is not yet, personal enough to suffice the demand of work in Earth. The grays are the responsible to collect the lost spirits, this is part of their job and they are paid to do it and do well, but they are few with few equipment compared to the quantity of ghosts. If someone feel that is being disturbed, he must ask to the gray of his area to chase that specific ghost and the problem will be solved. They usually focus to sane the problems where more humans are being affected. To call the gray just make the request near one of their communication devices. These communicators are discretely placed where the community gathers to discuss the problems, such as churches or community centers, and by what they hear on these places they know where to act to solve the problems affecting more people at once. If someone speak to them directly pointing the problems, they can act more effectively.

Mutilations: Aliens never mutilate. Not even the criminals. Simply because third dimensional material has no use for anyone but to those who live in it. Most aliens can jump from 3rd to 4th dimension, but their feeding and living is done in the 4th. The 3rd is just for work, tourism or study. For any alien species the bodies of the 3rd D are troublesome to deal with directly, and is pointless. The cattle mutilations are done by rats, birds and small animals. There is plenty of analysis of these supposedly mutilated by abduction corpses, and most of them point to very understandable causes, though there might be something bizarre on nature that we cannot understand. If you wish to research deeper, there is a complete article done by a Brazilian magazine called UFO with legists doctors examining many of these cattle. All of them concluded the mutilations were done by rats, that choose the soft parts to eat first – eyes, nose, mouth, ears, reproductive parts, and from these to inside. The opening made by the small creatures who live from corpses are generally perfect and round, and they eat first from inside, it is easy to see at an apple eaten by worms. From outside it can looks good, and the small hole is perfectly round.

Real abductions: The Grays are the “nanny” of human species, as the human species of Gaia is young and still entitled do receive special care. Is the grays duty to assure that all human on the group under their care gets food, shelter and sanitary conditions ( not richness, it is only about the health). So, they ionize the air to kill bacteria, influence for resources to reach hospitals, researchers and sanitary organizations. The abductions occur when a special human individual gets ill, the “special” relies on fact that the person is a hub for the distribution of resources to many others humans. If that person gets ill many will be without resources and will be consequently ill too, so the grays operate this hub person so he can keep up as a resources distributor for that area. It is expensive for the grays, done rarely. But as humans start to communicate directly with the grays they might even buy this operations perhaps, paying by sending resources to other humans in need from that gray group. They do these exchanges with some sensitive’s, sometimes.


Reptilian appearances: The Reptilians are moved by the heart. They fall in love with humans more frequently than you can imagine, then they try to approach the person and everyone gets scared. They are an old, old species, with all existential problems solved, so they live in search of love and adventure. They are scary, of rude gestures, and cannot communicate well with humans, so the misunderstandings and confusions they cause are huge, but there is always an impulsive Reptilian in love behind, usually he does not succeed in his affair, sometimes do. They can fall in love with a person, with a population, with a politic system, with a project being made, by an object or place. It has nothing to do with the “take the world” theories, even because they don’t have to take, the Earth belong to them, and the Angels protect Earth because of them ,as they don’t fit anywhere else, while humanoids can be taken to other places. They are rough in the outside, and most sweet on the inside. Here is their place, the humans just need to learn to understand them, and I am sure will be great for all. They love to have other species living here, when a civilizations ends they long for the next.

I hope this information has a use for you. It is not something I read or heard, the source are the own Alien representatives. I took the task to clarify the misconceptions on the media on my group, and the intention is only to inform our point of view. I chose to speak person to person, with those who are interested on the issue, as being half-human myself.

Veronica: Hello friend, You Tube is making me tired. It is like a rally road and I don’t like it, I am a girl. Here are most boys trying to combat, not to fix on the subject. For discussion, only you were interesting. Keep my e-mail if you wish. You are welcome to discuss anytime.

Orthodoxymoron: Thank-you for your answers and comments. I hope that the internet and You Tube will help people to learn how to communicate more effectively and nicely. I hope things turn out well for everyone...humans, aliens, everyone. I even hope that Satan can learn to be happy without being mean and causing trouble. I don't want anyone to be miserable. Life should be enjoyed. I hope this universe can get past war. We should compete constructively...not destructively. Peace to you.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm almost begging for someone (perhaps a new Avalon member) to carefully examine this thread...from the beginning to this point...and to provide a relatively detailed response to the overall picture which emerges. If you read every word...and watch every video...you may be amazed. In any case...I crave an intelligent discussion of the issues and concepts raised throughout this thread. It almost seems as though there is an insurmountable brick-wall which is keeping people from dealing with the details of this thread.

In Poland (East Prussia, actually) my Mom's mom used to put sprigs of peppermint in her pocket to take to church. Even with the 13+ kids, she and the husband had trouble staying awake.

I could fill my room with peppermint here and it wouldn't help.

sorry

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm sorry you feel that way no caste. Perhaps you will not need pepermint to stay awake when the excrement really hits the air-conditioning...and the subjects which you found so very boring...spring to life. Unfortunately...it may then be too late. Perhaps the pepermint will then be necessary for other purposes. Good luck.

[orthodoxymoron]

Is this thread too boring, too unlikely, too upsetting, too irrelevant, too ?? Does my 'speaking' to Lucifer creep people out? I'm just trying to make a point. I'm still looking for some type of an overall analysis of the suggestions and implications contained within the entirety of this thread. It feels like I'm speaking into an empty room. Is anyone out there? Have I worn-out my welcome? Perhaps I should join the exodus...or perhaps I should say the hyksosdus. Does anyone know what I mean by that? Where should I go? What should I do? Maybe I should just forget about asking ultimate questions...and get a frikken life. Maybe I should get a real job...so I can get a Porsche...and then get a girlfriend (Lucifer doesn't seem to be interested in the above mentioned debate-date to the dark-side of the Moon - see post #64). I'm lost. Help. Analyze This. Please. Viewer discretion advised (language). Note the meeting of the Galactic Federation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wvaw...eature=related

[14 Chakras]

What if we will run in circles forever chasing our tails as long as we think of "God" as some guy "up there" that is ultimately responsible for everything and can somehow be killed?

What if we have to realize that there is nothing but God in order to get off the hamster wheel?

What is everything made out of? Energy. What is energy? Consciousness. What is consciousness? At it's highest level: God.

Behind all life is God. There is nothing but God. You can't kill God, because God IS. God is not some guy with a beard in a cloud. God is all that IS.

We live in a vibration that is very slow, very dense. The illusion of seperation is very great here. We can see the fruits of this illusion, suffering.

It is time for us all to come up higher in the reality that God IS and God IS in us, not outside of us (well both really).

Lucifer is just one fallen dude and there are many more like it. They only survive when we feed them our own energy, they live in God just like we do, and the only way to live is to receive energy from God. Since the bad guys have rebelled against the plan of the raising up of creation and are seeking to stop all progress and destroy creation itself, they no longer receive energy from the source, from God, from all that IS. So in order to survive they need to steal the energy from co-creators that still do.

That's you / us when you participate in thoughts, emotions, activities that increase the separation and decrease abundance rather than increase abundance for all life.

Start looking for God where it lives, in your heart, and you will find God is very much alive and well, it is only our own illusions that are blocking it's loving action in our world and our life.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you 14 Chakras. A centralized and exalted unquestionable authority is a big problem. However this situation could have existed historically, and could exist presently. Are energy and consciousness synonymous? I don't think they are. I want to make this perfectly clear...I am not a pantheist.

I think I buy the idea that God (or a part of God) resides within humanity as the Holy Spirit...but I don't think God is in everything...everywhere. I also have problems with discussions of vibrational frequencies, densities, dimensions, holograms, illusion, duality, separation, etc. As I have stated throughout this thread...I have huge problems with the concept of worshipping and praising an exalted God. How about the concept of US vs REPTILIANS going back a long, long, long time? I like to keep it simple. I'd also like to see us (reps, greys, humans) leave each other alone...and have no Gods (other than the concept of Namaste). Finally...why would demonic entities want to have anything to do with pure energy? Wouldn't they want to feed off the worst and dirtiest energy? Maybe they just hate us because of millions of years of wars and atrocities...and just want to see us suffer...as revenge. Again...I like to keep things simple. Again...I think it would be in the best interest of all races to just leave each other the **** alone.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

A centralized and exalted unquestionable authority is a big problem.

God is kinda special you know


1st in the Beginning

He is alone as

Consciousness


2nd in the middle

He Daydreams

Creation

( lots of things going on here where we are lol )


3rd in the End

He is alone as

Consciousness



Consciousness conceals Itself with layers of veils

the casual the astral the physical

to Create this Drama


And there within the first veil

God is God as Himself

[14 Chakras]

"He is alone"

Sounds lonely.

Perhaps there is More to the story.

Perhaps "God" does actually have a reason after all for giving it's Sons and Daughters free will. Perhaps there actually is a reason for it all other than just some dream that you are bound to disappear into. Perhaps Jesus was not lying when he said there is a crown waiting for you.

For me, I find it an important to understand that the infinite consciousness is infinite. I will not limit it based on my own human beliefs and perceptions. As soon as I think I've got "God" all figured out, I've created a graven image. The human mind cannot possibly fathom the entirety of infinity. However, we can get back into the divine flow of things, we can surrender to the will of infinity within ourselves and count on it for all of our needs, inspiration, protection, and creative impluses.

Do we choose to take up our rightful role as co-creators, to take dominion over our planet as we were commanded by the Elohim from day one? Or do we continue to give up our power waiting for something outside of us to come do it all for us?

I believe God has infinity to give and no desire to take. It only wants you to become More. But it will not force you to do so. Should you choose to sit around waiting for God to show up and reward those who 'didn't screw up', you may find yourself waiting eternally.

Those who multiply the talents will have their own talents multiplied. Those who hide them in the ground will have them taken away.

We are here to learn and become more, not disappear in a bad dream. We must awaken to reality, don't go back to sleep, or we will miss the wedding feast.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

"He is alone"

Sounds lonely.

that is why He Creates for He is also full of Love to share

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Perhaps "God" does actually have a reason after all for giving it's Sons and Daughters free will. Perhaps there actually is a reason for it all other than just some dream that you are bound to disappear into. Perhaps Jesus was not lying when he said there is a crown waiting for you.

I know you want a crown chakra lol

tell you what

as long as you want

you will have one


Souls can exist until the long Night of God

[MyShadow]

These concepts are merely stepping stones on a path. At some point you will look back and with understanding of relativity - see the context of these stones in your past lives. Like distant yet familiar dreams, they are part of your experience - real? truths? those questions really have no purpose other than to keep you aligned with expansion.

[Moxie]

There is Unenlightened, the latent or potential unrealized and then there is Enlightened, activated, full expression, which is the Christ!

And, my view tendency is, like pregnancy, there is no partial enlightenment...

& the unenlightened are merely sleepers.

Which is why warrior stance is not the answer. Orthodoxymoron,
I like the meeting that you propose for all to sit together, however,
we do not have much experience that has proven to be fruitful.

There has to be an alternative suitable for the adversarial role to continue their pursuits... which I now see has been found & arranged, which, by its nature and because of true nature's rules, will not have sustenance except it be taken by means of extracting energy from All which is "permitted"by the "Original Law" because of Free Will and is able to "go down" because of the prevelancy of ignorance, willful or not.

So, these labels of evil, satan, lucifer, christ, jesus, et al...
there are many names for this polarity drama when in fact...
there is only One body including all...
and even thouh we feel that we must find the way to offer a solution
for "the problem"... in the Big Big Picture, there really is No problem, it all returns to source eventual... but there is an easier softer way right?

but, we, you, me, whoever, becoming aware that there is a more direct route, that of activation of our True Enlightened State, we must be self centered enough to concern ourselves with our own self's journey in order to increase the frequency Now for ALL the rest..
we can only THEN be helpers

Sounds okay to me but then what the bleep do I know?
HAPPY BLUE MOON.... it's gorgeous right now!!!

[777 The Great Work]

Satan or Saturn,Lucifer is the restrictive force in nature. This is a necessary force,because it is the glue, or force that holds every thing together.

Another way to say this is,Satan is the wax restricting force of the candle. We are the wick and the flame is spirit. The continuous focus on the restricting force(THE WICK-ED) of the candle ,creates a sense of lost,but when we redirect our focus to the flame,the wax burns faster,and lite the wick at both ends.This means the wax is the time base clock and the flame is eternal consciousness, that burns away the gross nature.

Once all the gross nature is removed, aka the animal fat,nothing remains but the flame.The flame in turn recognizes that the wax was a necessary force for its development, and lovingly embraces the wax. The wax is still there because nothing in life is wasted, only transmuted. Our true growth comes from adaptation compassion and allowance, by vibrating on the higher planes.

This higher vibration will transform every thing beneath it,ascending higher and higher . Even though it is higher,it has now become a humble servant. When we consciously choose to serve from our focus on the wax , It causes the waxing and waning of our emotions, and we choose sides.

[orthodoxymoron]

I reverence the Intelligent Designer of This Universe. I do not reverence the God of This World. I am becoming more and more attracted to the concept of Namaste. I am becoming more and more attracted to the concept of Seeing Christ in All Persons. I am becoming more and more attracted to the concept of a Solar System Exorcism. I am becoming more and more attracted to the concept of Human Sovereignty. I am becoming more and more attracted to the concept of a Vatican III and a Namaste Mass. We the People of Earth...need to get over our disfunctional relationship with the God of This World...and move on.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I reverence the Intelligent Designer of This Universe. I do not reverence the God of This World. I am becoming more and more attracted to the concept of Namaste. I am becoming more and more attracted to the concept of Seeing Christ in All Persons.

Reverence

of the

Effulgence

within

is

Namaste


this Effulgence within Creation is God whom we Revere in Namaste

and it is but a portion of that Effulgence which is God as the Creator Himself

[orthodoxymoron]

RedeZra: All of your posts are publication-quality...whether I agree with them or not. When I read your posts...I picture a very wise monk working in a monastery...tasked with reigning in heretics such as myself! >>>>>

Check out the following links to the Urantia Book which are relevant to this discussion:

Chapter 53: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p053.htm
Chapter 54: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

RedeZra: All of your posts are publication-quality...whether I agree with them or not. When I read your posts...I picture a very wise monk working in a monastery...tasked with reigning in heretics such as myself! >>>>>

hehe Im just a voice amongst voices

and inasmuch as I speak

it is only words

that stumbles

from my mouth

[orthodoxymoron]

I've been listening to chapters 53 and 54 of the Urantia Book...regarding Lucifer, the Rebellion, and War in Heaven. If there is any truth to this at all...I keep thinking that everyone was partly right and partly wrong...and that one wrong leads to two wrongs leads to three wrongs leads to......a huge universal mess.

The key words in all of this are responsibility and freedom. The definitions, applications, implications, and ramifications of these words are enormous. They are a balancing act...without a safety net.

[orthodoxymoron]

How do we really know that Lucifer is gone? I doubt this. There may be more than one 'mediator' or 'administrator' between the Dracs and Humans. I keep hoping that Lucifer has (or will) switch sides and do the right thing for the human race. I know I'm naive...but I'm happier that way.

[Initiate]

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/lucif...rt-3-poem.html

One Angel stood up,
With a sad shining face,
An said " Will Lucifer
Be put back in Your grace?"
God looked up at the Angel,
And replied " As far as I know,
Lucifer is dead,
And the Devil lives down below.
He deserves not Lucifers' name,
For Lucifer was good,
The Devil is Evil,
And he may do as he would.
He wanted to rule man,
So now what he must do,
Is tempt them to Evil,
to let me find the Good."
As God made his decree,
The Devils' wings were chaffed,
They were burnt of all feathers,
It charred his beautiful face.
Disfigured and ugly,
Just like the Soul inside,
He knew he made a mistake,
For his name was full of Pride.
The Angels around him,
They were disfigured as well,
But Lucifer was looking
At this place known as Hell.
He would rule the Damned,
For that was what he could do
So Lucifer now is trying
To tempt the Darkness out of you.