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Overall in this thread your tone has been bombastic and somewhat insulting. This is obviously something you feel strongly about, but you have made some gross generalizations ... that do sound quite hateful.
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@King Lear: I noticed you haven't responded to anything I've said here or answered my questions, though I am not surprised as the answers are likey to find you either hypocritical or simply ignorant. Dude......where to begin? You've said so musch, I'll just review a few examples here. Wow, now were apologists? ![]() Quote:
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![]() Dude I think people who go to night clubs all spiffed up with leather jackets and crusty hair are icky, but I don't care what they do as long as they're not hurting anyone, I just steer clear of them, still wishing the best for 'em though. I think it's strange that you've got all this respect for the equality in the freedom of speech yet you you have no sense of equality when it comes to accepting people for who they are. Ok, this next part is the heart of the issue as I see it, and you didn't respond, so I'll quote myself here. Quote:
Letting gay people get married does not take any rights away from anyone else nor would it give them any rights not afforded to heterosexual couples. You say this in jest, but it's really spot on. Those stories are ridiculous. |
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There has been no reason for a ban King Lear...
Allowance of an open minded discussion shall be had... with respect to all who participate... |
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But I think your attempt won't be successful. Because there are too much people here who hate what I say. Veritas odium paret "Truth creates hatred" I've a too loose tongue ![]() ![]() |
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But I'm annoyed, as so many others, by the gay political activists who make an ideology and an issue of identity of their sexual orientation. Especially that they make the poltical fuzz, they produce, to their identity makes me sick. But the main issue still is, that they want to force it onto children! Quote:
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And at the end the only goal they reach is to devaluate marriage. And through that destroy the traditional family. Quote:
Besides religious feelings (which are so important when it is for the Muslims) What about the developement of a child? Are you absolutely sure that they don't get harmed by all of this? For example, to see how gays behave on their parades and in the media? Are you really sure? Quote:
1st of all, why do you think, that "freedom of speech" is our 1st amendment? 2ndly I can't remember that gays were in chains and had to pick off cotton. Is it equality or special rights? ![]() Last edited by King Lear; 02-10-2010 at 09:09 AM. Reason: reduce large white spaces |
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King Lear,
You do raise some justified concerns in regards to some of the gay community's behaviour, however, what you speak of, are minority groups and not the practice of the overall worlds gay community. Quote' the anti-Fag thing is perhaps a reaction to the aggressive ideology of homosexuality Quote' And it's obvious that there's no other group in society that is so extroverted like the gay community and who wants to influence politics and wants to smash their private sexual orientation in other people's face!!! Quote' There's no group on this earth, like the gays, who constantly smear their private sexual orientation in people's face. Publicly! Refrain from using such examples, they are incorrect and do not reflect the truth of the overall gay community. Tone down your intolerence. Regards, Ross H
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1stly it may be incorrect, but me and others conceive it like that. 2ndly Arguing against a political agenda is not intolerance! ![]() Last edited by King Lear; 02-10-2010 at 10:39 AM. |
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A thousand apologies for the typo in your name, sincerely, Long day and a little tired. In regards to your reply, 2 and 3, I am not going to debate this with you, tone down your intolerence. Regards, Ross H
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The more King Lear talks, the more the truth about his views come out. He possibly doesn't even realize it, but on the other hand, he probably does and is here to stoke the fires of hatred and intolerance.
If you look at most (if not all?) of the posts he made, he talks about people as if they are all compartmentalized from each other, and completely exclusive of each other. It's "the blacks" and "the mexicans" and "the minorities" and "the gays" [insult removed - A..]. It's obvious he's very stuck in polarity consciousness, so let's all have a moment of silence to pray for him, that he will wake up and see that he is perpetuating hatred in this world, by sheer ignorance of the fact that we are all God's children, each and every one of us, not ONE person excluded. That includes King Lear. Don't hate him just because he's asleep. He needs our love more than many people on this entire site. But people, please, don't tolerate this kind of mindset. When someone opens his mouth and feces spills out of it, but he doesn't even know its feces, rather he thinks it's vanilla ice cream, so he starts swishing it around his mouth and convincing himself it's the best flavor he's ever tasted... it is up to YOU, the ones who still have your sanity about you, to help him to understand what he's doing and how he's deluded himself. Once again, though, I don't know... some people just like the taste of feces. ![]() Last edited by Anchor; 02-10-2010 at 10:04 PM. Reason: insult removed |
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Next person to insult someone out right will be met with disciplinary action. We are not here to convince anyone on how they should feel... or try to make them feel guity over it....This is a forum for people to make their own decisions and draw their own conclusions.. This thread should be about the confrontation of protesting and their right to do so and the issues caused by such duality.... Those who wish to proceed may do so with caution.. Last edited by Anchor; 02-10-2010 at 10:04 PM. |
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This entire thread insults me, quite frankly. It should have been closed a long time ago. If you're looking to point out name calling and insults, you could have done a whole lot better than quoting my post above. There is no ambiguity as to what's going on in this thread. Who is doing the insulting in this thread, Jonah? I'm just curious.
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Church I can only attempt to allow fairness to all members on this forum...
If you or anyone wishes to discuss this policy in a pm, they may do so... There have been and will be reasons to close many threads.... Our job in some aspects is to facilitate conflict resolution.... How can this be accomplished if we silence those of us who feel differently? |
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No question, the WBC people are nutty, but even they've the freedom of speech! And of course it's forced onto students! Gay activists try to make it part of the curriculum in school, that a child also can have a mom and a mom, or a dad and a dad! And that's simply disgusting! To try to indoctrinate children with such abomination! Only people who are homosexuals themselves can apologize such disgusting behaviour! And it's obvious that there's no other group in society that is so extroverted like the gay community and who wants to influence politics and wants to smash their private sexual orientation in other people's face!!! And this isn't comparable to the African Americans. Or why do you think the AAs opted against special rights for gays? GOD created Adam and Eve - and not Adam and Steve! ![]() |
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Secondly, the situation is actually quite similar to the civil rights movement. A group of minorities simply asking for the same rights afforded to every other citizen outside of themselves......sounds pretty similar to me? Thirdly, I assume you're refering to the CA prop 8 issue when stating "AAs opted against...", yes, some support came for African American in that specific referendum, which when remembering the civil rights movement, makes for some real irony, but that was certainly not a national referendum, so to make blanket statements about an entire race of people is amiss imho. |
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@Church: Brilliant post mate
![]() I love Louis, just started a thread here recently with another of his bits, and that's a great bit too, plenty blue ![]() Watch out for the Gaythering Storm btw! @KL and MargueriteBee: I was wondering what your views on 'choosing' to be gay are. Do you think it's a choice? If so, i.e; people choose their sexual orientaion, can you remember 'choosing' to be heterosexual? For me it was never a choice, I just knew I liked the ladies (from a very young age ![]() If it's a choice for some and not for everyone, what's the difference? |
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A few years before Prop 8 (which passed only by a narrow margin), when San Fransico started granting same sex marraiges on a city level, the LA City Council made a supporting official move... and it was echoed by the Mid-Town North Hollywood Neigborhood Council (and many other LA N.C.s) supporting same sex total legal equality with a 19 to 1 majority vote. The one "no" vote came from a lady who was a devout Catholic and voted by her religious conviction. My side of the table (the Arts and Humanities Committee) voted %100 "yes." We have three openly gay churches in the NoHo Arts District (about one square mile) that will do weddings for ANY kind of couple. http://northhollywoodarts.com I was born and raised in the above liberal environment and never had my hetrosexuality threatened in the least. I simpley don't understand what the problem is other than fear and religious (and sexual) insecurity. When a man and woman are in love and want to get married, no power on earth will stop them. The "institution of marraige" is in no danger... even in little, wacky NoHo (wich historicly is actually more moderate/conservative lesbian.. going back to WW2 when the aviation industry in Burbank was recruiting sturdy, all-American women to build planes and the "Rosey the Riviter" archytype was born. Many of the women were single and central No. Hollywood had more affordable houses. Amilia Earhart lived in the area as did other female pilots). We got a visit from Westboro Baptist Hate Church in '02 I believe it was. They had a sizable contingent with all the usual signs, but weren't met with humor. It was an angry shout down bettween them and the locals. Just what the haters like... more hate. If they can provoke someone to go over the edge and throw something or physically attack in any way, they would really love it! - martyrdom! They should have waited a couple more years. We got the street cross walks permanently painted with rainbow stripes. I'm going to try and attach a photo I took on the morning a night club had a fire. The water made the colors stand out... it wants a web page for the image... ok, just go here and scrooll to the bottom. It's the small pic - thrid from the end of the page (may take a while to load: http://www.northhollywoodarts.com/id5.html Oh, and something the Hate Church would have loved to hate about NoHo, but didn't Know Ho!! We had a shameless, Dark Goddess honoring pagan community (still do, but Raven's Flight's lease ran dry). Again, at the very bottom of the page you'll see links to more pages. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~paul_perner/ And one more time, my cousin's 1965 punk church on NoHo: The Preachers! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq8OTfjSg6k Rock out, all you hell fire bound lovers!!!!!! Paul |
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KL, dark sunglasses just a day after rehab? (just kidding).
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As far as pedophilia and necrophilia go, those are ridiculously irrelevant here, and frankly, disgusting to compare to any two individual who love each other. Niether are sexual orientations, they are mental dissorders that do not involve any consentuality, and in the case of pedophiles, implies rape. Your repeated comparisson of gays to pedophiles imho is disgusting. You equate a gay couple to a pedophiliac preying on a child, both are equally bad in your opinion? Good grief man. Quote:
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Cool pic too. ![]() If u wanna post a pic btw, all u have to do is right click on the image, choose properties, copy the url, and then paste it in between [img][/img]. |
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If I may jump in here and now with a rhetorical question;
What is the difference between homosexuals and radical churches? Are they faithful to the core of our mutual human living in prosperity and understanding of truth, Creator ,universe, love ,life? I think neither group are . Ones are openly attacking morale and others are viciously defending it with a ...gun ( shall I say instead of sword) Neither gays are close to truth neither radical Churches are close to the truth since both parties are faaaaaaaaaar away from Creator, universe,truth,love,respect,understanding, wisdom ,morale. But personally I find it offensive for a person to brag about their sexuality in any way, be it on the street or school or TV or whatever. KL has a point since homosexuals are often behaving terrible and are being very aggressive towards all that do not align with them. They want to marry ...sure but that is a mockery of marriage. Marriage as an institution exist only between man and woman. You as a gay can be with other man but that could not be named marriage, legally or hypothetically ... One more thing, we are all born different and that should be respected. But how can I respect a person which is gay when they shovel in my face their sexuality ? I do not care, leave me be... but NO ! They HAVE to announce that they are homosexuals... Who cares for god sake... That leads me to conclusion that if you have a need to stick in someone's face about your deep personal life ,then you have a problem, a huge problem. That is invading someone's privacy and that is bad. So when they do that ,they should not be surprised for reaction they usually get from heterosexuals. And one last point, correct me if I am wrong but I never met more selfish, drama queen, self centered, annoying people than most of the gays I met through my work and in life. I don 't say that all of them are like that but really many ,many of them are like that. Point is lingering on non important things such as sexuality or religion brings us nowhere but deeper hole from where we're trying to escape... |
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@Beren
@Anchor I appreciate your approval! You both said what I meant. @Raul Partially I thought of Cartman when I put on my pilot glasses, but it's also meant to reflect the recommeded relaxation! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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Okay, beren, enlighten us: exactly who shovels their sexuality in your face again? And this happens, what, all the time? Like, you just walk outside of your house and immediately you are acosted by the gays, and they are announcing to you that they are gay, while simultaneously undressing themselves, attempting to convert you to homosexuality, and trying to marry a same-sex partner? Oh, that doesn't happen? Didn't think so. Would you mind clarifying exactly what you meant by that statement for us? And this time, make sure you use actual real events, not your imagination gone wild. Quote:
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You're not fooling anyone but yourself if you live in Western Society, are surrounded by sex and slùts everywhere, and think that homosexuality is "the problem." It just underscores your own idiocy, and gives me more material to laugh about. Quote:
Hate is hate, people. Every single one of us on this planet and beyond are children of God, and God hates nothing but hate. This is elementary stuff. I can't believe it has to be expressed as such, but many people still don't see it. When you hate anyone or anything, you are a hater. Hate is nothing more or nothing less than what it sounds like. Hate. We all know that Love is the opposite of hate, and Love is what we are trying to bring into the world. That means, by virtue, that you must stop hating. Stop generalizing. Don't believe everything that Glenn Beck tells you. Or King Lear, for that matter. Or me! Don't be a tool bag, and research things for yourself. If someone tells you that gay people act a certain way, how about witnessing it for yourselves before jumping to conclusions? How much longer is it going to be before you, some of you out there, grow up? This planet is overrun with 20-90 year old scared children, and I'm really getting close to rounding you all up and sending you to bed, so the grown folks can usher in the new world appropriately. ![]() mod edit, please no name calling, thank you Last edited by morguana; 02-16-2010 at 07:30 PM. |
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A perfect Libertard! So stereotypic that one had to invent him if he wouldn't already exist and call everyone a "hater" in his ignorant self-righteous way! ![]() mod edit, no name calling Last edited by King Lear; 02-16-2010 at 08:28 PM. |
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i love you King Lear, i love you Chruch
Love...love love love love love love love... Now.. Gay bashing?? i do hope this is not tolorated.. King Lear...You are intelligent..but lost Church...You are compassionate, but hurt.. Enough children..behave. |
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But I *am* hurt. I'm hurt that I am surrounded by a bunch of sociopaths in this lifetime. The whole entire world, it seems to be sometimes, is a bunch of self-absorbed sociopaths that actually do whatever it takes to justify their hatred. I use bombastic language and rhetoric sometimes just to reciprocate the absurdity, but in truth, and this is evident in every one of my posts, I only act hatefully toward people who have made glaring acknowledgements of how they hate some "type of people."
I only deconstruct posts which demonstrate how someone has erroneously concluded in their little sociopathic world that people who don't think or behave the way they do are disgusting, and therefore should be legislated out of existence. I never meant to pick on King Lear, he just made it so easy. Seriously, the guy also politicizes everything, and now everyone is a Liberal. I'm far beyond playing the little 3D polarity consciousness games like liberal vs. conservative, left vs. right, that sort of thing. And for all I know, King Lear could actually be a gay, black woman who is here to play the "devil's advocate" role, to show people how absurd the line of thinking is, and affect change as such. Anything's possible. I don't hate. But I hate hate. And I even hate it when people try using hate as a teaching tool. There are better, much quicker ways of waking people up. But I digress. Let the gay bashing continue. I think we should all agree to disagree. It's okay that there are people who still hate gays. It's free speech and new agey and all that stuff. We are empowering ourselves to create and visualize our new world. One without gays. Just imagine, anyway, if the gays ascended with everyone else, anyway. To think that we would have to share Heaven with the gays, it's just preposterous! It's very paradoxical, too, if you think about it, because if gays were allowed into heaven, it would be hell for all the non-Gays, which are really God's chosen people, so it would negate the existence of God and existence would *POOF!* right out of existence. So since existence still exists, that means that God hates gay people. Vote for Palin in '12, she is going to make sure that the end of the Mayan calendar comes and goes in the most heterosexual way possible, for all people (except for the gay ones). Last edited by Church; 02-16-2010 at 06:15 PM. |
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I feel the need to reiterate, once more, that I am not gay. But I actually am starting to get a kind of a complex where I almost wish I were gay, so that I wouldn't have to be associated with heterosexuals like the ones that find gay people to be disgusting human beings. It reminds me of when I was in grade school and developed "white guilt" because of all the crap I learned about what the people who wrote the history books did. I healed that part of myself, and I will also heal the part of myself that is angered by homophobia.
I truly am disgusted by people who are disgusted by an erroneous generalization of other people. It's the only thing left, it seems, in my microcosm, that elicits an anger response from me. It's harmless anger, but anger nonetheless. Anger is tiresome. Last edited by Church; 02-16-2010 at 06:25 PM. |
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