The Good, The Bad & The Banned - Page 4

mntruthseeker · 02-07-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Carol

I only saw Anchor and Gareth on when this happened and no mods.

It is my understanding when I was moderator that when a member is banned this is to be a collective decision. Karen came on my thread about Kinsuemei2 Banned and appeared to have no clue as to what happened. So I also have a concern about the possibility of a few becoming overly controlling. I also didn't agree with Franciejones being banned either. All she did was share an unsolicited email from Bill on the forum and that is no reason to ban either as Bill never got an agreement from her ahead of sending his email not to share it.

OMG FrancieJones was banned too..............This is crazy

She was a strong headed person that had some very good views even if we always didnt agree. So we really do have someone playing God on this forum and it is rather SAD

Freedom is not about shutting someone down that disagrees with your views.

Carol · 02-07-2010, 10:55 PM

Folks need to understand that both Kerry and Bill can ban any member and the Admins will follow through on this. There is no discussion or consensus.

Anchor, I truly appreciate your identifying what happened. I know David Wilcox is a friend of B&K but would not think Bill would want Kinsuemei2 banned because of his opinion regarding DW. However, Bill really does not like bad language on the forum. Could this be the reason for his decision?

And is this just a time out or permanent?

Anchor · 02-07-2010, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Carol

Folks need to understand that both Kerry and Bill can ban any member and the Admins will follow through on this. There is no discussion or consensus.

Anchor, I truly appreciate your identifying what happened. I know David Wilcox is a friend of B&K but would not think Bill would want Kinsuemei2 banned because of his opinion regarding DW. However, Bill really does not like bad language on the forum. Could this be the reason for his decision?

And is this just a time out or permanent?

I don't know, and I don't want to speculate. I do know that it is being talked about right now but owing to my present circumstance, I can't join in.

I will therefore be patient.

A..

Update: Oh FFS! -

- it looks like I spoke to soon

Carol · 02-07-2010, 11:29 PM

Anchor, its easy to jump to conclusions when the info isn't being put out on the forum from the onset. I appreciate Bill's statement as that cleared up the who and why immediately.

It was a fluke that I just happened to be viewing some of Kinsuemei2's posts when he was banned. Now I'm flummoxed as I've no clue as to what he posted is real or not. He certainly came across as authentic in his earlier posts. And I was also under the impression that he is dying from cancer. Do we know if this is true?

Anchor · 02-07-2010, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Carol

Anchor, its easy to jump to conclusions when the info isn't being put out on the forum from the onset. I appreciate Bill's statement as that cleared up the who and why immediately.

It was a fluke that I just happened to be viewing some of Kinsuemei2's posts when he was banned. Now I'm flummoxed as I've no clue as to what he posted is real or not. He certainly came across as authentic in his earlier posts. And I was also under the impression that he is dying from cancer. Do we know if this is true?

This isnt going to help, but I dont know anything about kinsuemei2. The only time I ever paid any attention to him/her was when kinsuemei2 volunteered to be a moderator.

I'm sure it doesnt need pointing out that kinsuemei2 ==> "f**king sue me too"

Which is interesting in the light of what has been seen.

A..

Carol · 02-07-2010, 11:41 PM

We had had a PM exchange going on months back when he shared he didn't think he would live the year out. Now I don't know what to think. Egg did a number on the forum too. I truly wonder who these people are behind their avatars.

Céline · 02-07-2010, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Carol

We had had a PM exchange going on months back when he shared he didn't think he would live the year out. Now I don't know what to think. Egg did a number on the forum too. I truly wonder who these people are behind their avatars.

Just..people.

TRANCOSO · 02-17-2010, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravens and Doves

Does anybody want to help Camelot/Avelon/LW out with some cash? I used to live in this house... my ex wife is selling it for two and a half mil. I'll donate one third of what she cuts loose of to Kerry and Bill's cause (and some to you).

What's the catch, R&D?

THE eXchanger · 02-17-2010, 08:47 PM

NO one helps anyone ~ have decided to 'burn' my 'project' why bother

TRANCOSO · 02-17-2010, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

NO one helps anyone ~ have decided to 'burn' my 'project' why bother

Cheer up, Susan!
It's just the Red Moon Wavespell.
Lot's of emotion, anger & drama.
Sleep it off!
Nothing 'll touch you in your dreams.

Anchor · 02-17-2010, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

What's the catch, R&D?

I moved the house advert to networking/products and services - it was completely off topic here.

A..

Ravens and Doves · 02-17-2010, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

I moved the house advert to networking/products and services - it was completely off topic here.

A..

No problem that it was taken down.

And there was no catch.

Cheers,

Paul

Anchor · 02-17-2010, 09:36 PM

It was not "taken down" it was moved here: https://www.projectavalon.net/forum/...ad.php?t=20172

Zenbuoy · 02-18-2010, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

tacky
tacky
tacky

TRANCOSO · 02-18-2010, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Zenbuoy

tacky
tacky
tacky

TICKY-TACKY!!!

THE eXchanger · 02-18-2010, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Ravens and Doves

No problem that it was taken down.

And there was no catch.

Cheers,

Paul

just a hook & a sinker

TRANCOSO · 02-18-2010, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by THE eXchanger

just a hook & a sinker

(NOT tacky!)

TRANCOSO · 03-13-2010, 03:56 AM

The Good, the Bad, the Banned & the Mist...

Still foggy?

THE eXchanger · 03-13-2010, 04:07 AM

wet - wet
instead of well-well

Ross H · 02-07-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Carol

Anchor, its easy to jump to conclusions when the info isn't being put out on the forum from the onset. I appreciate Bill's statement as that cleared up the who and why immediately.

It was a fluke that I just happened to be viewing some of Kinsuemei2's posts when he was banned. Now I'm flummoxed as I've no clue as to what he posted is real or not. He certainly came across as authentic in his earlier posts. And I was also under the impression that he is dying from cancer. Do we know if this is true?

I cannot comment on the cancer issue as I have no information.

When I posted that he was banned I was unable to provide further info at that time. It is easy to jump to conclusions but please have faith in the mod team, as banning is last resort and only done when justified.

Sincerely

Ross H

Karen · 02-08-2010, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Carol

[snip] Karen came on my thread about Kinsuemei2 Banned and appeared to have no clue as to what happened. [snip] I also didn't agree with Franciejones being banned either. All she did was share an unsolicited email from Bill on the forum and that is no reason to ban either as Bill never got an agreement from her ahead of sending his email not to share it.

Yes, at that time I had just gotten online and had just read an email from Bill that he wanted Kinsuemei2 banned as he believed he was pretending to be Heather Anderson and a few more details. However that email was sent privately to all the mods and admins. (Others had not read it yet.) It is a very RARE case of utmost importance where I would share a PRIVATE communication (or the information in it) on a PUBLIC forum without permission from the other party. So what I posted was I would try to get more information - meaning seeing if I could find Bill to see exactly what it was he wanted to share on the public forum. I thought he would share all, as he did, but I did not yet have any permission to say anything on the forum.

Funny Francie Jones should be brought up in the next breath - Francie Jones who thinks it is OK to share private emails on public forums. Our guidelines expressly prohibit the sharing of private messages with others without permission and hopefully the new guidelines will expand that to all forms of private communication, such as email and voice conversations.

In the world of Netiquette - having not agreed to not share is NOT the point.

People actually think it is OK to share private communications in public?

From
http://www.netmanners.com/email-etiq...ails/#more-229

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Ask Before Forwarding E-mails

February 4, 2010 by Judith

Several times each week I get asked for guidance when it comes to forwarding emails written by others. Should you ask the sender if it is O.K. before forwarding to those they may or may not know an e-mail they sent privately to you? A resounding YES!

Common courtesy alone would dictate you don’t forward without the original sender’s knowledge. They may not appreciate the e-mail they wrote to you being sent to those they don’t know. How would you feel if the roles were reversed?

All e-mails are naturally copyright protected by the author upon their creation. So in order to forward a private e-mail to another person, or to post it anywhere online you need to get the writer’s permission to do so first.

Cc’ing doesn’t negate asking for permission. Private e-mails are sent and written to the party for which they were intended; not to be sent to others without obtaining permission first. Cc’ing simply advises you are letting them know after the fact that you are forwarding their e-mail without any courtesy or concern for their feelings.

I have an article on forwarding on my site that you might find helpful that covers the 5 Rules for Forwarding

HTH!

Here's a few snippets from some short related articles.

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5 Rules for Forwarding
On an aside, also keep in mind that if you are forwarding a private email that was sent to you, you must get the sender’s permission to forward it on to others (or post it publicly). Emails are copyright protected by their authors. Not only that, common courtesy dictates that you should ask the author first if the email sent for your eyes only can be forwarded to strangers or others for which it was not originally intended.

* E-mail Forwarding Tips and Advice

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Forwarding of Private E-mails. You just don’t do this! It is a breach of trust and reflects your complete lack of character and ethics when you forward private and personal e-mails sent to you alone to others without the Sender’s permission. Shame on you!

* Forwarding Other’s E-mail

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When someone sends you an e-mail, consider it for your eyes only. (And, I have to state this because I will get protests by site visitors if I don’t — this of course does not include threatening or illegal e-mails.) By forwarding private e-mails to others, you are reflecting a lack of character by betraying the trust of the person whose e-mail you are exposing without their permission.

* E-mail Forwarding Reflects on You!

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If you forward one person’s e-mail to another especially in business to play one against the other is simply unprofessional. If you have questions for one contact based on anothers concerns, type a new e-mail and address those concerns. Don’t forward without the other party’s e-mail without their knowledge with a “See what they say?” tone. This just reflects a lack of respect for either potential partner and your extremely low level of professionalism.

If you forward personal e-mails from one friend to another without the original Sender’s permission in an effort to say “Can you believe this?”, you are a not a friend and should be ashamed of yourself.

* Stop the E-mail Forwarding!

Harry_CDN · 02-08-2010, 09:18 AM

I'm getting the picture that Mods have lots of fires to put out on a daily basis. hmm like soccer refs. yellow card any back talk to the Ref
out comes the Red card
I wonder how the Mods keep there cool?

By the way 'm learning many new things here about running your own board.

Private e-mail = after you read it a message will appear saying this message will delete in 20 secs. Security: your eyes only

morguana · 02-08-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry_CDN

I'm getting the picture that Mods have lots of fires to put out on a daily basis. hmm like soccer refs. yellow card any back talk to the Ref
out comes the Red card
I wonder how the Mods keep there cool?

By the way 'm learning many new things here about running your own board.

Private e-mail = after you read it a message will appear saying this message will delete in 20 secs. Security: your eyes only

we have to remember to breath and communicate with each other, all of us need sometimes to take a step away and let others have a think too......its busy busy and can be like a rollercoaster! i like it when its peacefull and we can spend time helping members rather than go battleing.
so be compassionate and careing folk
remember its love that makes the world go around
m x

Anchor · 02-08-2010, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry_CDN

I wonder how the Mods keep there cool?

Well there is a moderator chat where we can say ****, **** and **** a lot. Sometimes it helps, other times it doesn't. (I jest).

My recently developed guideline (for myself, but others can follow it too if they want) is that if you see a post that annoys you, this tells you immediately that you are not ready to moderate that post.

You need to resolve the annoyance first, then once that's cleared up you can proceed to moderate with the appropriate calm detachment. This avoids the alternative, which is more often than not a sudden and explosive unleashing your inner Chuck Norris moderator round-house kick to the head.

A..

Harry_CDN · 02-08-2010, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

Well there is a moderator chat where we can say ****, **** and **** a lot. Sometimes it helps, other times it doesn't. (I jest).

My recently developed guideline (for myself, but others can follow it too if they want) is that if you see a post that annoys you, this tells you immediately that you are not ready to moderate that post.

You need to resolve the annoyance first, then once that's cleared up you can proceed to moderate with the appropriate calm detachment. This avoids the alternative, which is more often than not a sudden and explosive unleashing your inner Chuck Norris moderator round-house kick to the head.

A..

Very interesting. I've dealt with many types of technical e-mails and I'm always wondering if age has anything to do with patience?

By the way I was around when punch cards were used in many places

02-07-2010, 10:55 PM	#2
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned Folks need to understand that both Kerry and Bill can ban any member and the Admins will follow through on this. There is no discussion or consensus. Anchor, I truly appreciate your identifying what happened. I know David Wilcox is a friend of B&K but would not think Bill would want Kinsuemei2 banned because of his opinion regarding DW. However, Bill really does not like bad language on the forum. Could this be the reason for his decision? And is this just a time out or permanent? __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

02-07-2010, 11:29 PM	#4
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned Anchor, its easy to jump to conclusions when the info isn't being put out on the forum from the onset. I appreciate Bill's statement as that cleared up the who and why immediately. It was a fluke that I just happened to be viewing some of Kinsuemei2's posts when he was banned. Now I'm flummoxed as I've no clue as to what he posted is real or not. He certainly came across as authentic in his earlier posts. And I was also under the impression that he is dying from cancer. Do we know if this is true? __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

02-07-2010, 11:41 PM	#6
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned We had had a PM exchange going on months back when he shared he didn't think he would live the year out. Now I don't know what to think. Egg did a number on the forum too. I truly wonder who these people are behind their avatars. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

02-17-2010, 08:47 PM	#9
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned NO one helps anyone ~ have decided to 'burn' my 'project' why bother

02-17-2010, 09:36 PM	#13
Anchor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,280	Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned It was not "taken down" it was moved here: https://www.projectavalon.net/forum/...ad.php?t=20172

03-13-2010, 03:56 AM	#18
TRANCOSO Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 964	Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned The Good, the Bad, the Banned & the Mist... Still foggy?

03-13-2010, 04:07 AM	#19
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned wet - wet instead of well-well

02-08-2010, 09:18 AM	#22
Harry_CDN Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 52	Re: The Good, The Bad & The Banned I'm getting the picture that Mods have lots of fires to put out on a daily basis. hmm like soccer refs. yellow card any back talk to the Ref out comes the Red card I wonder how the Mods keep there cool? By the way 'm learning many new things here about running your own board. Private e-mail = after you read it a message will appear saying this message will delete in 20 secs. Security: your eyes only Last edited by Harry_CDN; 02-08-2010 at 09:22 AM.