Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon chat

[Aztar]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

I'm unlikely to be interviewing anyone offering channeled information. That was never Camelot's purpose.

Double good!

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

I'm also considering opening a thread here which would be a tightly-structured (minimal chat!) Q and A on recent events. If I do this, I pledge to answer all questions with all the intellectual honesty I can. By that I mean full differentiation between hypotheses, inferences and facts.

Great idea! This should be very helpful.

[Ross H]

Originally Posted by mkspllmn

I knew something was amiss lately and, quite frankly, I was wondering when Project Camelot was going to be infiltrated. I also kind of figured that Kerry would be the one that would be used for this purpose. I have followed Camelot for about 2 years now and it has had a profound impact on my life in ways that are difficult to explain. I am sure this is true for a lot of people. However, I could see early on that Kerry had a weakness that was destined to be exploited, that is an extreme desire for success (money and power).

A lot of good things have come out of Camelot with Bill and Kerry. Eyes have been opened and amazing stories have been told. Giant toes have been stepped on and it was only a matter of time before something had to be done.

Lately I have seen petty bickering and a lack of genuine investigation on the forum. Kerry and Bill fighting, Kerry and Greer fighting, Kerry and Burish fighting. Kerry promising interviews (McCollum) with teasers but not the actual interview. And in most cases poor Bill is left to pick up the pieces. Camelot has gained a lot of popularity in the last 2 years and I can see, in my minds eye, Kerry druling and panting wanting more and more. I dont think the purpose even matters to her anymore. But this is what usually happens to would-be stars in Hollywood, the ego gets filled to the max and then - boom - they explode and self destruct and a lot of other people go down with them. Now she is closing threads, removing videos, and colluding with the enemy in her rise to riches and glory only to find at the end of the day that she has been duped by her own mind.

Finally, I have seen the forum ruled by totalitarian moderators who, under the guise of "protecting" the site, have offended many supporters of the Camelot project and have cause more discord and chaos than any poster could ever do. Most of the best posters have seemed to have vanished. I believe this is part of the infiltration process.

Project Camelot, as it once was, is over. This is true of all the good things in life, so, in that regard, I suppose it could be considered a complement.

I will continue to monitor the forum as I have been and throw in my two cents on occasion if this post does'nt get me banned.

Hello,

Firstly, your two cents worth are valued here on the forum. I can see no reason for your post to be banned. You are relaying your opinion, from your perspective.

Banning requires some very serious breach of guidelines and it is a very rare occurrence.

Moderators are firstly and foremost, Human beings just like you. All the Admins and most of the Mods have full time jobs, families, mortgages, a life full of responsibilities that go far beyond the world of PA/PC.

Moderators are volunteers, who give freely, what time they have avaliable to them and this can change at a moments notice due the variables of life.

Your perspective of totalitarian Mods is completely wrong. There are circumstances behind the scene that you do not see, so from this you are unable to conclude a complete and just perspective of the Mod team.

As for the 'guise of protecting the forum' again you see it from a one sided perspective. Yes, part of the Mods jobs is about protection of the site, a huge job in itself and only a part of the whole job that is required.

The Mods have been dealing with an enormous amount of variable energy coming from all corners for over 6 months, whilst trying to balance life outside and to keep some balance here on PA ...I say to you sincerely, that this jobs is a tough one. We are not perfect...are you? we make mistakes sure, but we are in the middle of a ***** storm and just trying to keep up! The onslaught of energy has taken its toll on some members and Mods alike. Keeping emotionally balanced and effective for you all, is a task. and we are doing our best for you ALL.

Sincerely

Ross H

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Ross H

As for the 'guise of protecting the forum' again you see it from a one sided perspective. Yes, part of the Mods jobs is about protection of the site, a huge job in itself and only a part of the whole job that is required.

Thanks for taking the time to talk about this.

Yes I can only see it from my side. Call me paranoid but it is the "behind the scenes" argument that comes up a lot. This reminds me of a secrete society with secrete meetings and secrete proceedings. I understand that the mods on Project Camelot are well meaning, awake and aware volunteers. Yes it is true that there are things going on behind the scenes that others are not aware of.

Please tell us... what is the other "part of the whole job that is required"?

Also there is a theme that the mods are "confused and overwhelmed". Surely you recognize this as a favorite tactic of the ptb.

No condemnation, just take a look.

[Ross H]

Originally Posted by mkspllmn

Thanks for taking the time to talk about this.

Yes I can only see it from my side. Call me paranoid but it is the "behind the scenes" argument that comes up a lot. This reminds me of a secrete society with secrete meetings and secrete proceedings. I understand that the mods on Project Camelot are well meaning, awake and aware volunteers. Yes it is true that there are things going on behind the scenes that others are not aware of.

Please tell us... what is the other "part of the whole job that is required"?

I do not have the time to discuss this with you, Seriously. I have said enough to try and help you understand your one sided perspective.

Ross H

[Carol]

Bill clearly explained what was going on behind the scene between himself and Kerry. Unfortunately the mods are in the middle of the fracas but have nothing to do with the personal unresolve issues/challenges that Bill and Kerry are working on. This difference of viewpoint between B&K surfaced at the end of 2008, so it is not surprising to see them move in different directions. The reality of geographical location is a big hurdle just for starters. And that doesn't even begin to touch the other issues that come up between people who work together. Kerry also explained her viewpoint. Each has taken the time to post where they are coming from and it really is up to them to determine in what direction they are going in.

[Carol]

I will add this... you are correct that there are folks who would like to see Avalon shut down... but almost all of those people have toes that B&K stepped on first. The attitude of competition instead of partnership was their weakest link. They may think some of their whistle blowers are their friends, however, I personally know of several who are not ~ and set out to do them damage. This is where the problem originated.

As for the color.. when you're posting to highlight and color your text, click on the capital A with the heavy bar under it until you see the word color show up. Click on that and a color palette comes up. Then click on your palette color and voila.

[mkspllmn]

I will add this... you are correct that there are folks who would like to see Avalon shut down... but almost all of those people have toes that B&K stepped on first. The attitude of competition instead of partnership was their weakest link. They may think some of their whistle blowers are their friends, however, I personally know of several who are not ~ and set out to do them damage. This is where the problem originated.



That is what I was trying to say.

Besides the part about the mods was only one part of the post. It was intended as part of a package idea. The rest of the post apparently got ignored.

[Karen]

mkspllmn - I don't recall Kerry ever shutting down a thread. She has demanded a few times that they be opened after people complain to her, but since she doesn't hang out at the forum or with mods, she doesn't know the situation that she demands be reversed. Over a year ago Bill was to take Avalon and Kerry Camelot, but it is difficult for her to stay out of forum business when people complain to her. Now there is a clear cut division and as usual, I will volunteer - to have her send those complaints to me and team, so we can make our decision about a possible reversal. We are not power-tripping ogres. Send us a reasonable and polite request and we will reconsider or tell you why not.

Kerry did shut down the forum to put pressure on the fact that she wanted a closed thread be reopened. That was quite shocking and took over about 24 hours of my life. As of today, she no longer has that power - the separation of Camelot and Avalon is complete. I heard mention they will have a "portal" on the web where people can come and see what Bill and Kerry have to share in their own spaces.

From my perspective Kerry is not fighting with Burisch. Bill and Kerry to this day are perplexed by the accusations made against them by the Burisch team. I think I saw where that started - at the conference in Europe, where there was a panel discussion and the topic of vaccinations came up and exploded. Many in the crowd were anti-vaccine, yelling because they didn't have mircophones and Burisch is very pro vaccine and felt threatened by possible outbreak of violence. Burisch accused Bill of lying about a bomb threat - when Bill says it was a problem with a database making labels. The was a phone call about it and Bill and Ruth went off to sort it out. And this list of misunderstandings continues to grow.

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Karen

mkspllmn - I don't recall Kerry ever shutting down a thread. She has demanded a few times that they be opened after people complain to her, but since she doesn't hang out at the forum or with mods, she doesn't know the situation that she demands be reversed. Over a year ago Bill was to take Avalon and Kerry Camelot, but it is difficult for her to stay out of forum business when people complain to her. Now there is a clear cut division and as usual, I will volunteer - to have her send those complaints to me and team, so we can make our decision about a possible reversal. We are not power-tripping ogres. Send us a reasonable and polite request and we will reconsider or tell you why not.

Kerry did shut down the forum to put pressure on the fact that she wanted a closed thread be reopened. That was quite shocking and took over about 24 hours of my life. As of today, she no longer has that power - the separation of Camelot and Avalon is complete. I heard mention they will have a "portal" on the web where people can come and see what Bill and Kerry have to share in their own spaces.

From my perspective Kerry is not fighting with Burisch. Bill and Kerry to this day are perplexed by the accusations made against them by the Burisch team. I think I saw where that started - at the conference in Europe, where there was a panel discussion and the topic of vaccinations came up and exploded. Many in the crowd were anti-vaccine, yelling because they didn't have mircophones and Burisch is very pro vaccine and felt threatened by possible outbreak of violence. Burisch accused Bill of lying about a bomb threat - when Bill says it was a problem with a database making labels. The was a phone call about it and Bill and Ruth went off to sort it out. And this list of misunderstandings continues to grow.

Ok, it wasnt a thread it was the whole forum.

Thank you for the corrections on other details.

Would anyone care to comment on what I was trying to say in the post?

I think Kerry is being used to discredit Camelot.

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Karen

Send us a reasonable and polite request and we will reconsider or tell you why not.

That is the proper attitude for a moderator.

I must say that I have heard mods speak very differently in the past. Even lashing out. This has intimidated the whole forum. However it does not seem to have curtailed the number of visitors and new members. But I do think speech has been squelched. I know there are those who are afraid to post their thoughts. I have been but I am coming out of the closet because I think Project Camelot is on its last legs.

I may have been too harsh on the mods in my post. But the post should be taken as a single thought and not picked apart. I think I was making a valid point and no one has commented on that point.

[Céline]

there is change in the air

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Ross H

I do not have the time to discuss this with you, Seriously. I have said enough to try and help you understand your one sided perspective.

Ross H

I am sorry Ross, but it seems that there is a hidden agenda that the masses are not allowed to know. It just seems too familiar and I cant ignore it.

I am sure I am not the only one to notice.

I am just dumb enough to say something.

Tell me I am wrong! Please!

[mkspllmn]

Carol, I think I want to marry your avatar.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by mkspllmn

I am sorry Ross, but it seems that there is a hidden agenda that the masses are not allowed to know. It just seems too familiar and I cant ignore it.
I am sure I am not the only one to notice.
I am just dumb enough to say something.
Tell me I am wrong! Please!

Almost anywhere you work or volunteer, where you make you way into an inner circle, there are things that are confidential for very important reasons. Any mod that joins our team is supposed to STFU about any knowledge gained by access to the back room.

Kerry and Bill will release what they want released and any mod who blabs without permission will be fired. That's just the way it is, like it or not.

[mkspllmn]

Originally Posted by Karen

Almost anywhere you work or volunteer, where you make you way into an inner circle, there are things that are confidential for very important reasons. Any mod that joins our team is supposed to STFU about any knowledge gained by access to the back room.

Kerry and Bill will release what they want released and any mod who blabs without permission will be fired. That's just the way it is, like it or not.

OK. Ill buy that. But even the mods must know how it looks and it only adds to the frustration.

We are dealing with extremely intense subject matter that can often lead to life and death. Even posting casually here probably puts us on some kind of list. When dealing with these kind of people it is good to remember that even your best friend cannot be trusted. Anyone can be gotten to without their even knowing it. The ptb have thousands of years of practice and they use methods that seem like science fiction to most of us. They are gaining control over the entire planet and it seems there is no way to stop them. If they want control of Project Camelot they will probably have one of their kids do it on a weekend.

[yohnor]

Hahaha, Friend of Gordon Brown? Then whats up with thishttp://www.rense.com/general89/brownpd.htm and tell me who would make such a claim.

[yohnor]

http://www.rense.com/general89/brownpd.htm hope the link works

[K626]

Stick to your guns Bill.

K.

[taomation]

Not to cast disparaging remarks at anyone, but I have often noted a great deal of ego in both Kerry and David Wilcock and people with big egos are much easier to manipulate. It's interesting that Bill is saying that Jack Burns is an infiltrator, because that is exactly what I started thinking when I read Kerry's post, before I read him say it.

My feeling about Bill has always been that he is a good guy. He's quiet, thoughtful and intelligent. He is a far better interviewer than Kerry, because he listens and respects the person he is interviewing and yet he still probes without seeming abrasive.

Either way. It's sad. I was just noticing tonight that the photograph of the two of them really makes them look like boyfriend and girlfriend. And now they seem like they are breaking up.

There is always talk of God and spirit, but in the end ego kills everything and infiltrators know this. It is the basic principle behind divide and conquer.

i am theorizing here but might it be possible that Kerry (a sting operation as stated by Bill) is not the only one being "manipulated" and that the same might be going on with Bill? Again i am theorizing (before someone decides to hang me) ....

logical assumption would be that they have both been led away from each other for some time...slowly conditioned to think as they do now...and that they are both under the "influence"....

given all the "access, control and resources" the so called PTB can/do have, doing something like this should really not be that big of a problem for them

again...this is just a theory

EDIt:typos

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

i am theorizing here but might it be possible that Kerry (a sting operation as stated by Bill) is not the only one being "manipulated" and that the same might be going on with Bill? Again i am theorizing (before someone decides to hang me) ....

logical assumption would be that they have both been led away from each other for some time...slowly conditioned to think as they do now...and that they are both under the "influence"....

given all the "access, control and resources" the so called PTB can/do have, doing something like this should really not be that big of a problem for them

again...this is just a theory

EDIt:typos

anyone that contacts secret service people and black ops is being manipulated to some degree. nothing is 100% truth or bill and kerry wouldnt be breathing nevermind travelling around the globe. i think the information protects itself as ive stated in another thread.

[Linda]

Originally Posted by taomation

It's interesting that Bill is saying that Jack Burns is an infiltrator, because that is exactly what I started thinking when I read Kerry's post, before I read him say it.

I heard a rumor that this Burns person could also be that Jake Simpson guy.

Has any of this been confirmed yet?

[Zabernism'ER]

Sad,but i have felt this comming a time now.

With all this "off-topics",the focus is being taken away from where we need it..
And all the lately attacks,(last one,the YouTube hoaxer),is well designed for this.TPTB have taken a step foreward,and set in a campaign that really seems to work

Originally Posted by Zabernism'ER

Sad,but i have felt this comming a time now.

Indeed, i do not wish to be rude...but the feeling was there even before i joined avalon hence one of my first posts here being about people not sticking together....

[Aztar]

Would be nice if there were some new videos we could discuss as a community, it feels as if we are in Idle mode.