**COPIED FROM JL FORUM as per Bill ** John Lear

[symbolon]

But one thing is for sure and that is that we are going to be recycled back here to Earth until we learn to meet each and every challenge set before us with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

It is the truth, and no one can escape it. There are no shortcuts...there never were. Each and everyone of us will have to remember who we really are. If you have not learned to infect others with your light and express yourself in love, then you will have to scramble in the dark until you do. In actual fact, since you have infinity as your playground, you can't actually lose in this game...so it's not all doom and gloom.

And yet, you have a choice in the way you take this path. Will you make it easy for yourself or will you make it difficult? As John implied, remember..if you choose wrong, there is a penalty.

[Mike_Jetson]

John, I agree about the publishing thing. We are all learning. I tell my friends this;

My views and beliefs can be placed in 3 boxes. Box 1 is 'strongly believe', Box 2 is 'No idea', Box 3 is 'Disbelieve'.

On any given day thoughts, beliefs and opinions can be taken out and put in another box depending on what knowledge has been gained.

I have different views relating to 2012 (as I believe certain aspects of loops, especially in relation to things like looking at Mars as our long gone past and far future) and remote controlled planes on 9/11 but like I say, these can be moved from any box at any time just like your own beliefs can.

A lot of people I see on the internet want to put people in certain belief groups and forget that we are learning new things every day and it would be silly to think our opinions wont change.

[elirien]

Hello and welcome Mr. Lear. We were just exchanging views with Bill Ryan on a different topic which involved you and since it would be quite rude if we would have talked behind your back (the topic was created before you joined) I want to bring this to your attention and would like it very much if you would give your opinions on this matter. Here it goes:

I think this is a very important topic and I thank you King Lear for asking such a question. I have my own little addition to this question. What do you guys (Bill and Kerry foremost) think about William Cooper's MAJESTYTWELVE?

Especially these lines:

and

These are just questions and I am just asking them. I am not accusing anyone of anything. Although since I like William Cooper very much and you guys have a tribute page made for him I think it is a fair enough question.

Thank you guys very much for your continuous and productive work. It is a good thing that people have a forum to discuss these things and I'd like to thank you once more for this beautiful effort.

source: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...p?t=534&page=2

Thank you very much and I hope you don't get me wrong.

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by elirien

Hello and welcome Mr. Lear. We were just exchanging views with Bill Ryan on a different topic which involved you and since it would be quite rude if we would have talked behind your back (the topic was created before you joined) I want to bring this to your attention and would like it very much if you would give your opinions on this matter. Here it goes:

Thank you very much and I hope you don't get me wrong.

You can count me out in the 'extraterrestrial threat' group although I was once a devotee. There is no ET threat.

That brothel incident was pretty interesting. Bob didn't own it, his friend the madam did. He just wired the video. Its possible that the Illuminati is getting blamed for things they didn't so.

Bill Cooper was my friend and he contributed a lot to the field.

[elirien]

Originally Posted by johnlear

You can count me out in the 'extraterrestrial threat' group although I was once a devotee. There is no ET threat.

That brothel incident was pretty interesting. Bob didn't own it, his friend the madam did. He just wired the video. Its possible that the Illuminati is getting blamed for things they didn't so.

Bill Cooper was my friend and he contributed a lot to the field.

Thank you very much. That was quite enlightening.

[Chaordic Simplexity]

Originally Posted by eagle

Lear seems to have a great deal of inside info.

However, I do not buy "aliens on the dark side of the moon", nor on every planet in this solar system.

who said all the planets are populated on this plane. Theirs layers upon layers my friend. Pretty exciting if you ask me.

[Heretic]

John has always been one of my Fav's too

we all look into the black world with awe and a thriving need to know

John has been there and seen some of it; he gives you a "good ole' boys" viewpoint on the insanity that runs amok in the world of disclosure

he has a great sense of humor and seems grounded despite it all

and he seems like a good guy to drink a beer with

HAH!

[johnlear]

Good evening folks,

I can't believe how much information has come my way since I did the last Camelot interview but the main thing I would like to say is that no Apollo mission every went to, or orbited or landed on the moon. We were hoaxed.

I would like to reaffirm my belief that there is a breathable atmosphere on the moon and lots of people live there not only on the far side but on the near side as well. People from Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and most of the others.

Also I would like to reaffirm by belief that NO airplanes crashed into the WTC or the Pentagon or Shanksville on 911. What the public saw on TV was video fakery. While the projection of holographic images is real I am not sure that holographic images were used on 911.

Shortly after I did the Camelot interview Zorgon brought my attentin to a book called "The Gravitational Force of the Sun". In this book, author Pari Spolter mathematically and scientically shreds not only Newtons Universal Law of Gravitation along with the gravitational constant (Cavendish et al) but exposes Einstein as a 'higher mathematics' fraud pointing out major inconsistencies in both his General and Special Theories of Relativity.

I will post my book report on Pari's book and my essay on Pari's unmasking of Einstein; a 20th Century mathematical hoaxer.

I would also like to point out that it was Zorgon who sent me the NASA videos of the alleged moon landings with a query "What do you think of these?" I was shocked. Those weren't landings on the moon. Those were videos of landings on the fake moon at the Langley Research Center.

Now that Pari Spolter has mathematically and scientifically discredited Newton's Law of Universl Gravitation and proven that mass is not attracted to mass and that mass/density of an inert planet is not the source of gravity we have only the alleged Apollo astronauts gravity measurements or the Bullialdus/Newton Law of inverse square to figure out what the gravity really is on the moon.

The inverse square law says it 68%, enough to support a breatheable atmosphere.

The public has secretly and intentionally been guided into believing Einsteins Theory of Relativity (which is based on Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation) in order to give us a false impression of our solar system; i.e. nobody lives here but us. And nobody could get here either.

Pure, unadulterated. poppycock.

[King Lear]

Just for fun

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, John -

A very warm welcome to you! You'll be in good hands here.



**********

I have an immediate question - something we've not caught up on privately.

Can you tell everyone the story of the unairbrushed Lunar Orbiter photos you were sent, the research you did on them, and whether or not our own ARGANTE (moderator here, but a very strong ally of yours on ATS) was able to help you with her suggestion about what the initials stood for?

(If this makes little sense for those reading this, John will explain!)



Very best, Bill

[Argante]

Avalon is very pleased to announce the arrival of another key player in the Project Camelot story...

Welcome Aboard John Lear!

I am honored to welcome you to Avalon Sir.

Zorgon is also here, as are many of your friends from other times... and some guy who kinda looks like you but thinks HE is the king

Bright Blessings John... now, let that beacon shine!

[atama]

hi john,
you seem like a nuts and bolts kind of guy. how do you feel about this ascension thing? not 2012, planet x,, etc. but the possibility or need of raising consciousness to a point where we would resonate at a higher frequency, etc.
do you think we could co-exist with these beings on our neighboring planets?

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by atama

hi john,
you seem like a nuts and bolts kind of guy. how do you feel about this ascension thing? not 2012, planet x,, etc. but the possibility or need of raising consciousness to a point where we would resonate at a higher frequency, etc.
do you think we could co-exist with these beings on our neighboring planets?

Hello atama. There will be no ascension, no planet X, no Nibiro unless it is a holographic fake by the government. We will have the usual wars, conflicts, shortage of this, shortage of that, your everyday run of the mill problems.

Our job on earth is to live our lives with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed. The souls here on earth mature at different rates so forget about 'we', 'all of us', 'humanity', 'the human race', 'Christians', 'Muslims' and 'disclosure'.

Just worry about yourself because it all starts with you. It doesn't start with 'getting those guys who did this or that', it doesn't start with pulling us out of Iraq', it doesn't start with 'finding out who pulled off 911'; YOU. It starts with you and are YOU living your life without envy, hate or greed? If not then I have news for you. Jesus won't be back but you will.

If you want to have more fun than you could ever possibly imagine then start earning it. You will not be allowed to play with the adults 'out there' until you learn to live with inegrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

<climbs back off soapbox, heads to mine>

[rustanddust]

hi john! do you have any insight/info/opinion on the coming finanical collapse thats supposed to occur the end of this month/the beginning of october?

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by rustanddust

hi john! do you have any insight/info/opinion on the coming finanical collapse thats supposed to occur the end of this month/the beginning of october?

No, sorry rustanddust, I am concentrating on my own financial collapse.

[rustanddust]

dang, well best of luck to you! its going to get down and dirty for all of us now apparently.

[brightstar]

Originally Posted by johnlear

Hello atama. There will be no ascension, no planet X, no Nibiro unless it is a holographic fake by the government. We will have the usual wars, conflicts, shortage of this, shortage of that, your everyday run of the mill problems.

Our job on earth is to live our lives with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed. The souls here on earth mature at different rates so forget about 'we', 'all of us', 'humanity', 'the human race', 'Christians', 'Muslims' and 'disclosure'.

Just worry about yourself because it all starts with you. It doesn't start with 'getting those guys who did this or that', it doesn't start with pulling us out of Iraq', it doesn't start with 'finding out who pulled off 911'; YOU. It starts with you and are YOU living your life without envy, hate or greed? If not then I have news for you. Jesus won't be back but you will.


If you want to have more fun than you could ever possibly imagine then start earning it. You will not be allowed to play with the adults 'out there' until you learn to live with inegrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

<climbs back off soapbox, heads to mine>

Hi John,

Soooooooooo glad to see you on here indeed. I talked to you once on the phone last year, but doubt you will remember me, I am the one that called and asked you about that Soul Catcher on the Moon. I got the book and read it, but am still looking for more "proofs" for my own mind on it all. But this is terrific that you will be on here indeed. Of course anything else that you might could add on that topic would be lovely indeed also!

Thanks Kerry and Bill for starting this, this should be a very good avenue for everyone indeed and we can all learn, grow and make new friends and keep up with things, and also maybe help get all of this NWO BS turned around somehow also.


brightstar

[atama]

Originally Posted by johnlear

Hello atama. There will be no ascension, no planet X, no Nibiro unless it is a holographic fake by the government. We will have the usual wars, conflicts, shortage of this, shortage of that, your everyday run of the mill problems.

Our job on earth is to live our lives with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed. The souls here on earth mature at different rates so forget about 'we', 'all of us', 'humanity', 'the human race', 'Christians', 'Muslims' and 'disclosure'.

Just worry about yourself because it all starts with you. It doesn't start with 'getting those guys who did this or that', it doesn't start with pulling us out of Iraq', it doesn't start with 'finding out who pulled off 911'; YOU. It starts with you and are YOU living your life without envy, hate or greed? If not then I have news for you. Jesus won't be back but you will.

If you want to have more fun than you could ever possibly imagine then start earning it. You will not be allowed to play with the adults 'out there' until you learn to live with inegrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

<climbs back off soapbox, heads to mine>

firstly JL, you're a brilliant guy so don't take me as a smartaxx. i'm new to all of this and i just want some opinions i can trust.

if we have no ascension or climax to reach as souls then why bother living without greed, hate and envy? integrity is something i hold personally dear as i believe in the higher self and a higher existence, whatever it may be. why would you need integrity if your just here and thats it? integrity would just be a pain in the neck.

i personally don't care what Jesus does, he is his own person as am i. what is the point of me coming back if i can't aspire to be something better than i am.

you seem to believe in the mechanics of reincarnation but it sounds like you're missing the point of it? surely life isn't like an American car race where you just around and around in circles for no reason?

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by atama

firstly JL, you're a brilliant guy so don't take me as a smartaxx. i'm new to all of this and i just want some opinions i can trust.

if we have no ascension or climax to reach as souls then why bother living without greed, hate and envy?

Good question. What I meant was there will be no ascension before your soul has matured. And it will only mature by living your life with integrity; and without envy hate or greed.

The 'ascension' people commonly wait for, they think they are going to get a free ride if they get their head dunked. Its not that easy. To be able to go out and play with the other adults of the universe and to enjoy 'heaven' you gotta put forth some effort. Not like going to church on Sunday (missing an early morning fish) or dropping a ten spot (and declaring $25) into the church bag, or praying to the lord to kill all muslims and arabs.

So let me talk a little about heaven. Heaven is not were they play harps and walk around on clouds all day. 'Heaven' is...well imagine in your mind what you think heaven might be. Now, multiply that by a thousand. When you have mastered the integrity thing and learned to live your life without envy, hate or greed, thats where you get to go.

i personally don't care what Jesus does, he is his own person as am i.

Jesus was a parable, a story. It was a story to jump-start the 'integrity' and living 'without envy, hate or greed'. Kind of like an infommercial but in book form that will fit in the motel room bedside table.

what is the point of me coming back if i can't aspire to be something better than i am.

Actually you are going to come back whether or not you aspire to be something better than you are or not. But if you are questioning the need for integrity and living without envy, hate or greed even if there is no prize then you might have to do a few extra tours down here. I don't know that for sure.

you seem to believe in the mechanics of reincarnation but it sounds like you're missing the point of it? surely life isn't like an American car race where you just around and around in circles for no reason?

No, I get the point. Its just I know myself and that as hard as I try I will have to do a few more turnarounds. No problem. I'll be interested to know if they ever got a building built on ground zero by 911 2101. Or if there ever was a 'disclosure'.

[towhom]

Fantasies are possibilities waiting to happen.

Now, with that bit of philosophical rhetoric expressed (or excreted, depending upon one's general outlook on life...) -

There's not really a whole hell of a lot that one individual can do to combat all of the military weaponry, governmental machinations, political farces, corporate policies, unethical protocols, etc. Frankly, it's a collective group of superstructures set in place to overwhelm and intimidate a "mere mortal" by other "mere mortals" bent on control. Whatever...

Given that, it is far more productive and personally beneficial to concentrate on living with integrity without greed, hate or envy.

Peace and Joy
Always

Sally Anne

[Magii]

Greetings Mr Lear -

Most likely you have answered the following question a dozen times in a forum somewhere on the net !! But I have to ask here


What do you think of the Montauk Story by the following people ( Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron, Peter Moon ) on this google video ?
http://video.google.com/googleplayer...mp;hl=en&hl=en



Also from your interview on Projectcamelot -- I went to ATS and starting going thru the Sleeper thread --
I wasnt able to read the blog -- looks like that was been deleted / taken down --

Question regarding Sleeper -
Are you in touch with this person ?
And any chance you can get em onto this forum?!

Kind regards

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by Magii

Greetings Mr Lear -

Most likely you have answered the following question a dozen times in a forum somewhere on the net !! But I have to ask here


What do you think of the Montauk Story by the following people ( Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron, Peter Moon ) on this google video ?
http://video.google.com/googleplayer...mp;hl=en&hl=en

Preston Nichols always seemed sincere to me. There was obviously a story there.

Also from your interview on Projectcamelot -- I went to ATS and starting going thru the Sleeper thread --
I wasnt able to read the blog -- looks like that was been deleted / taken down --

http://youfo.blogspot.com/2008/06/in...baldin-in.html

http://www.lulu.com/content/2655205

Question regarding Sleeper -
Are you in touch with this person ?

Yes

And any chance you can get em onto this forum?!

No, he's really busy but you can join us at:

http://sleeperlou.proboards55.com/

[milk and honey]

"Ascension" has been very badly defined by "Ra" and others who believe in a "mass ascension" of the planet and it's people (who qualify) around 2012. And the qualifications for ascension have likewise been very badly defined by "Ra" and other astral entities who feign enlightenment and give unrealistic prescriptions for ascension.

Consequently, John Lear and others are probably only dismissing a straw man when naysaying the concept of 'ascension'. Some souls truly have overcome "greed, envy, and hate" and all the other negative aspects of the psyche like fear, pride, idolatry, dishonesty, anger, arrogance, conciet, deceit, selfishness, self pity, resentment, revenge, etc.

They have raised the vibration of the soul (resurrected those negative aspects of the psyche) and have already ascended into unity with the I AM (the higher- Self) in spiritual planes. In that wholeness of spiritual identity, some choose to descend into the subtle material planes where they remain active in our service. (We can attune to that inspiration if we can calm the mind and lead honest lives.)

Other Adepts who have likewise transformed their consciousness have remained in the physical plane where, incognito to most, they maintain a physical presence and inspire us in mostly unseen ways also.

Souls have been ascending from planet Earth for ages. It is not a brand new phenomenon and if we fulfill the same requirements we can ascend too. But it surely wont be all together in 2012 or en masse at any other time. So relax about that and live your love with discernment over the decades ahead.

Souls who originally descended from the higher- Self (into matter) can ascend back to the higher- Self (in spirit) each in his / her own time. John is calling this path 'maturity' and so it is. It's the unfoldment of a Self- identity that already Is because it Is our origin in higher octaves.

The ascension of the soul is possible because we are in fact NOT the creation of aliens visiting the earth in 'UFOs'. We are spiritual beings, a portion of whom is incarnate in the flesh on this Earth. Granted, the physical bodies of our race have likely been genetically tampered with ages ago (and even now) but we are not defined by our form and can transcend it even while incarnate in it. Our physical bodies are still adequate to the task -- with our present DNA -- of serving as the material platform for self transformation and ascension. One by one.

ps... just noticed John's post after writing this.

[eagle]

Originally Posted by johnlear

Good evening folks,

I can't believe how much information has come my way since I did the last Camelot interview but the main thing I would like to say is that no Apollo mission every went to, or orbited or landed on the moon. We were hoaxed.

I would like to reaffirm my belief that there is a breathable atmosphere on the moon and lots of people live there not only on the far side but on the near side as well. People from Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and most of the others.

Also I would like to reaffirm by belief that NO airplanes crashed into the WTC or the Pentagon or Shanksville on 911. What the public saw on TV was video fakery. While the projection of holographic images is real I am not sure that holographic images were used on 911.

Shortly after I did the Camelot interview Zorgon brought my attentin to a book called "The Gravitational Force of the Sun". In this book, author Pari Spolter mathematically and scientically shreds not only Newtons Universal Law of Gravitation along with the gravitational constant (Cavendish et al) but exposes Einstein as a 'higher mathematics' fraud pointing out major inconsistencies in both his General and Special Theories of Relativity.

I will post my book report on Pari's book and my essay on Pari's unmasking of Einstein; a 20th Century mathematical hoaxer.

I would also like to point out that it was Zorgon who sent me the NASA videos of the alleged moon landings with a query "What do you think of these?" I was shocked. Those weren't landings on the moon. Those were videos of landings on the fake moon at the Langley Research Center.

Now that Pari Spolter has mathematically and scientifically discredited Newton's Law of Universl Gravitation and proven that mass is not attracted to mass and that mass/density of an inert planet is not the source of gravity we have only the alleged Apollo astronauts gravity measurements or the Bullialdus/Newton Law of inverse square to figure out what the gravity really is on the moon.

The inverse square law says it 68%, enough to support a breatheable atmosphere.

The public has secretly and intentionally been guided into believing Einsteins Theory of Relativity (which is based on Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation) in order to give us a false impression of our solar system; i.e. nobody lives here but us. And nobody could get here either.

Pure, unadulterated. poppycock.

I agree many if not all moon landing photos seem to be faked/earth based studio shots. This alone does not prove or disprove moon landings.

Atmosphere on the Moon? yes, breathable by humans? I don't know, but the lack of clouds an weather led me to believe not.

911? Agree. Missiles and drones, no planes. Well, maybe one, since all the supposed passengers of all four could fit on one jet.

Gravity? No one (including Newton and einstein) can be completely right on first set of theories. Sorry!

FWIW!

People on the other planets? I need to see some proof of that! Visitors? Sure, but perhaps not on all sightings.

So what do you say about anti-gravity mil aircraft since the 1940s?

Say the delta shaped ones?

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by eagle

I agree many if not all moon landing photos seem to be faked/earth based studio shots. This alone does not prove or disprove moon landings.

No but 68% gravity does.

Atmosphere on the Moon? yes, breathable by humans? I don't know, but the lack of clouds an weather led me to believe not.

Lack of clouds? Are you kidding?

911? Agree. Missiles and drones, no planes. Well, maybe one, since all the supposed passengers of all four could fit on one jet.

Sorry, no missiles, no drones, no planes. Most of the alleged 'passengers' are alive and well living under different identities. "Oh hi, Chic! Sorry to hear about your daughter Wendy. But remember, you wanted to play the game."

Gravity? No one (including Newton and einstein) can be completely right on first set of theories. Sorry!

Ahem. The first try? Used and confirmed by mainstream science for 300 years? Are you joking?

People on the other planets? I need to see some proof of that! Visitors? Sure, but perhaps not on all sightings.

Sorry. No proof. No disclosure. If you don't know it, you're not supposed to know it. In this lifetime anyway. Better luck next life.

So what do you say about anti-gravity mil aircraft since the 1940s?

My father, William P. Lear, Sr. was President and Board Chairman of Lear, Incorporated, a major Dept. of Defense contractor (later became Lear Siegler) and was one of the original prime contractors on anti-gravity in the 40's.

Say the delta shaped ones?

Old technology.