Breaking news, stocks plunge,$700bn plan rejected!

[Steve_A]

Hi gazbom,

If the DOW bursts to around 10% they close the bourse. It shoukld teeter around 5 - 6%. The problem will come overnight when the Asian stock markets open....

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by gazbom

I'm betting around 10%!

[gazbom]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi gazbom,

If the DOW bursts to around 10% they close the bourse. It shoukld teeter around 5 - 6%. The problem will come overnight when the Asian stock markets open....

Best regards,

Steve

Thanks for that Steve.

Hi RaKaR!

[RaKaR]

Hi Yettyn,

I believe that we are not enjoying those terrible things, rather passing over information and staying alert in order to better - emotionally, intellectually and spiritually - face the ever changing reality, be ready and up to the challenge.

Regards,
RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[LOCOAZ2008]

TRANSLATE PLEASE...

COMO YO VEO LA SITUACION A MAS QUE VIVO EN PERU SUD AMERICA, ES QUE SI LLEGAN A BOTAR A FAVOR DEL PLAN DE LOS $700b, ESO HARA PARAR LAS CAIDAS DE LAS BOLSAS PERO NO POR MUCHO TIEMPO, ADEMAS TIENEN QUE TENER EN CUENTA QUE LO QUE ESTA PASANDO EN LA ECONOMIA ES MUNDIAL...

ACASO EL PROBLEMA DE LAS HIPOTECAS DE LAS CASA EN USA TIENEN QUE VER CON LOS MERCADOS EUROPEOS O ASIATICOS, ¡NO!, Y POR QUE CREEN QUE LAS BOLSAS EN TODO EL MUNDO ESTAN EN PERDIDA DE CASI -5% EN PROMEDIO, SI EL PROBLEMA FUERA SOLO EN EL MERCADO NORTEAMERICANO SOLO EL DOW PERDERIA Y LAS DEMAS BOLSAS DEL MUNDO ESTARIAN NORMAL.

VEAN EL CAMBIO DEL DOLAR CON RESPECTO AL EURO, ESTA EN 1.43, DEBERIA ESTAR EL 1.7 A MAS SI SOLO FUERA PROBLEMA DE LA ECONOMIA AMERICANA PERO NO LO ES.

HE VISTO EN VARIOS FORUMS DECIR QUE EL PUEBLO ESTA LLAMANDO A SUS REPRESENTANTES DEL SENADO A PEDIRLES QUE NO VOTEN A FAVOR, ESO ESTA BIEN SIGANLO HACIENDO, Y VERAN QUE SI EL PLAN NO PASA SERA LO MEJOR PARA USTEDES, LA RESERVA FEDERAL NO ES UNA INSTITUCION DEL GOBIERNO AMERICANO, ES PROPIEDAD DE QUIENES QUIEREN LA RUINA DE AMERICA LOS ILLUMINATI.

SALUDOS.

[carliec]

Originally Posted by LOCOAZ2008

TRANSLATE PLEASE...

COMO YO VEO LA SITUACION A MAS QUE VIVO EN PERU SUD AMERICA, ES QUE SI LLEGAN A BOTAR A FAVOR DEL PLAN DE LOS $700b, ESO HARA PARAR LAS CAIDAS DE LAS BOLSAS PERO NO POR MUCHO TIEMPO, ADEMAS TIENEN QUE TENER EN CUENTA QUE LO QUE ESTA PASANDO EN LA ECONOMIA ES MUNDIAL...

ACASO EL PROBLEMA DE LAS HIPOTECAS DE LAS CASA EN USA TIENEN QUE VER CON LOS MERCADOS EUROPEOS O ASIATICOS, ¡NO!, Y POR QUE CREEN QUE LAS BOLSAS EN TODO EL MUNDO ESTAN EN PERDIDA DE CASI -5% EN PROMEDIO, SI EL PROBLEMA FUERA SOLO EN EL MERCADO NORTEAMERICANO SOLO EL DOW PERDERIA Y LAS DEMAS BOLSAS DEL MUNDO ESTARIAN NORMAL.

VEAN EL CAMBIO DEL DOLAR CON RESPECTO AL EURO, ESTA EN 1.43, DEBERIA ESTAR EL 1.7 A MAS SI SOLO FUERA PROBLEMA DE LA ECONOMIA AMERICANA PERO NO LO ES.

HE VISTO EN VARIOS FORUMS DECIR QUE EL PUEBLO ESTA LLAMANDO A SUS REPRESENTANTES DEL SENADO A PEDIRLES QUE NO VOTEN A FAVOR, ESO ESTA BIEN SIGANLO HACIENDO, Y VERAN QUE SI EL PLAN NO PASA SERA LO MEJOR PARA USTEDES, LA RESERVA FEDERAL NO ES UNA INSTITUCION DEL GOBIERNO AMERICANO, ES PROPIEDAD DE QUIENES QUIEREN LA RUINA DE AMERICA LOS ILLUMINATI.

SALUDOS.

I can see the STATUS TO MORE THAN LIVE IN PERU SOUTH AMERICA IS THAT IF YOU ARRIVE IN FAVOR OF A bounce PLAN FOR $ 700B, ESO HARA STOP THE FALL OF THE BAGS BUT NOT BY MUCH TIME, IN ADDITION TO HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT WHAT IS DROPPING IN THE WORLD ECONOMY IS ...

ACAS THE PROBLEM OF THE HOUSE OF MORTGAGES IN USA has to do with Asian or European markets, NO!, AND WHY CREATE THAT BAG IN ALL THE WORLD ARE IN LOSS OF NEARLY 5% ON AVERAGE, IS THE PROBLEM JUST OUT IN THE NORTH AMERICAN MARKET ONLY THE DOW lose AND OTHER BAGS OF THE WORLD normally.

They see the dollar against the euro, 1.43 IN, SHOULD BE THE MOST TO 1.7 PROBLEM IS JUST OUT OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY BUT NO ES LO.

NEW ON SEVERAL FORUMS HE SAY THAT THE TOWN IS CALLING YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TO SENATE ask them not to vote in favor, ESO SIGANLO IS DOING WELL, AND THAT VERAN HAPPENS IF NO PLAN WILL BE THE BEST FOR YOU, THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS NOT AN INSTITUTION OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT IS ABOUT PROPERTY OF AMERICA WANT the ruin of the Illuminati.

GREETINGS.
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WANT TO KNOW THE QUESTION OF INTEGRITY IS A PHYSICAL AND MENTAL

Sorry that was as good as I could get it.

[Steve_A]

As I see the situation, except that I live in Peru, South America is that if you vote in favor of a 700b dollar plan, this would stop the fall of the bourses, but not for much time, actually you need to take into account that what is happening in the econiomy is world wide...

By chance the problem of the house mortgages in the US has anything to do with the European and Asian markets? No! And why beleive that the world bourses are losing almost 5% on average. If the problem is only in the North American market, only th DOW would lose and the other ourses in the world would be normal.

Look at the exchange rate of the $ against the Euro, it's at 1.43, it should be at 1.7, if it was only a problem in the US, but it isn't.

I've seen in various forums decide that the people are calling their representatives in the senate asking them not to vote in favour, and this has been appening well, and you can see that if the plan deosn't pass it will be better for you all. The Federal reserve is not an American government institution, it's the property of who wants the destruction of America, the Iluminati.

Cheers

(Hope that helps )

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by carliec

I can see the STATUS TO MORE THAN LIVE IN PERU SOUTH AMERICA IS THAT IF YOU ARRIVE IN FAVOR OF A bounce PLAN FOR $ 700B, ESO HARA STOP THE FALL OF THE BAGS BUT NOT BY MUCH TIME, IN ADDITION TO HAVE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT THAT WHAT IS DROPPING IN THE WORLD ECONOMY IS ...

ACAS THE PROBLEM OF THE HOUSE OF MORTGAGES IN USA has to do with Asian or European markets, NO!, AND WHY CREATE THAT BAG IN ALL THE WORLD ARE IN LOSS OF NEARLY 5% ON AVERAGE, IS THE PROBLEM JUST OUT IN THE NORTH AMERICAN MARKET ONLY THE DOW lose AND OTHER BAGS OF THE WORLD normally.

They see the dollar against the euro, 1.43 IN, SHOULD BE THE MOST TO 1.7 PROBLEM IS JUST OUT OF THE AMERICAN ECONOMY BUT NO ES LO.

NEW ON SEVERAL FORUMS HE SAY THAT THE TOWN IS CALLING YOUR REPRESENTATIVES TO SENATE ask them not to vote in favor, ESO SIGANLO IS DOING WELL, AND THAT VERAN HAPPENS IF NO PLAN WILL BE THE BEST FOR YOU, THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS NOT AN INSTITUTION OF THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT IS ABOUT PROPERTY OF AMERICA WANT the ruin of the Illuminati.

GREETINGS.
__________________
WANT TO KNOW THE QUESTION OF INTEGRITY IS A PHYSICAL AND MENTAL

Sorry that was as good as I could get it.

[empathy]

Thanks Steve!

It was eye popping for me to wake up and watch the debates and then the vote.... It gave me very mixed feelings.

But one thing has not changed today. And that is that our benevolent money masters have an agenda. It seems that the collapse of the American empirical fascist oligarchy has been in the works for a while. to quote a bit from one of Gore Vidal's essays:

Henry Adams, younger brother of politician Brooks Adams, came up with the following fornula : "All civilization is centralization. All centralization is economy." He applies the formula in the following syllogism:"Under economic centralization, Asia is cheaper than europe. The world tends towards economic centralization. Therefore, Asia tends to survive and Europe to perish."

I wish it never happened. This nation has been going in the wrong direction for so long. It was a relief for me to see that bill fail. But I am also equally scared. So nothing changes... the power stays where it's at.

[yettyn]

Originally Posted by RaKaR

Hi Yettyn,

I believe that we are not enjoying those terrible things, rather passing over information and staying alert in order to better - emotionally, intellectually and spiritually - face the ever changing reality, be ready and up to the challenge.

Regards,
RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

Well I just wonder... a lot of opinions and 'information' passed on here, but how many had actually read the bill? It seem to me, w/o nameing, that for some it's more important to have an option and talk then actually knowing what they are talking about, or beliving in 'something' then actually give effort into finding out, making research etc. like reading the bill to start with. As far as I know it should be available online.

just my reflection...

[QUESTINY]

Here are the links to the bailout bill if you desire to educate yourself on what it says:

Two links...download them now before they disappear.

http://edgruberman.files.wordpress.c...o08c04_xml.pdf

http://financialservices.house.gov/e...o08c04_xml.pdf

[Zarathustra]

Everybody,

I agree with the sentiments that there is a plan to destroy the dollar, but TPTB wanted this plan passed so they could loot what was valuable BEFORE that. That is why it is important that we keep the pressure up tomorrow any way we can. I don't pretend that the failure of this bill would be a victory with a captital V, but it is important that they know that Americans are onto the game, and we're not going to take it lying down anymore.

The way I see it, they've already declared war on the American people via destruction of civil liberties and the Constitution, economic depravation, etc... it's time they're aware that WE are aware. Whether we like it or not, the time for declaring sides is arriving...

Originally Posted by Old Dood

So what is next?
I am a bit more then nervose about all of this...

Well I went to WAMU this morning and found the doors ope... business as usual... accounts intact and my mortgage safe..

The only hint was a form letter from the new CEO that says things will be fine...

So all the panic last thursday seems to be gone

Now then the stack market DOWN?

Well get yer butts out of that chair and buy some stocks while you can. Any GOOD company will survive and rise again... its happened before will happen again...

BUT THIS TIME The average Joe can pick up a deal because you don't need huge minimums like during previous crashes...

Get out there and get rich

Errrr anyone got a few grand they can spare? I have this deal....

[MargueriteBee]

What if something wonderful comes out of this? What could actually happen that is on the positive side?

[LOCOAZ2008]

Long term success does not depend upon the positive things that happen to you, but on how you handle adversity.

-Common theme in several notable quotes

Governments everywhere have been slow, and some politicians have been unequivocally unwise. Those in the real estate, mortgage banking, insurance and investment communities who started the mortgage and derivative scandal that we have warned of for six years are to blame, and will carry the stigma for the remainder of their lives. Many will go to jail. Let us hope that we can avoid a great depression, but for now the wise course of action is to continue to protect yourselves

TO PROTECT YOURSELVES

How? In our opinion, you should hold your cash in excess of insured levels in treasury bills, and not money market funds. Hold 10% to 20% gold. Where possible, work to hold assets in private banking institutions where legal documents state that the client assets are not commingled with the assets of the firm or any other depositor. We believe that this is critical. Some people want access to trade via their computer on a daily basis, but typically the firms that provide cheap trades and instant computer access do not provide legal safeguards against commingling that private banks provide.



IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS BY NOW THAT GOVERNMENTS ARE NOT HONEST WITH THEIR PEOPLE

The U.S. has been in a recession for months, and the only reason that the statistics don't show it is that they are using an inflation number that is much too low. If the real inflation number were to be inserted, we would see that U.S. economic growth is negative...and has been for a long time. Total growth minus inflation is real growth. If total growth is 3% and inflation is 4%, then growth is negative. Currently, total growth is 3%, and they are saying inflation is 1%. This is patently absurd. Some other countries are honest about recession. Recently, New Zealand and Ireland admitted to being in recession. Much of Europe is in recession, and only the Chinese, Brazilian, Indian, and a few emerging economies are growing on a real basis. The question is how much longer can this last?


PEACE & LOVE

[Steve_A]

Hi zorgon,

I'm sure that the CEO from WAMU will not scream, "Run for the hills! - it's over!!." But that's another story.

I agree with you about buying cheap stocks however I still feel the markets will fall furthwer and the real bargains are to be made later on.

Yesterday with the fall of 777 on the DOW took off 1 trillion 200 billion US from the market which mostly came from the banking sector (I have to ask you if really you beleive your money is safe) that is almost the DOUBLE of what the government was asking for to - and it must be said cleary - GAMBLE with public money to try and save these institutions. If they have lost almost the double and are still in business, what would 700billion US have done? As I see it, would have just protected their bottom line.

I also don't think that the crisis will affect the good creditors on the high street, however it will make credit more expensive (if the banks survive and according to your CEO from WAMU that's going to happen).

So as I see it, bums can stay in seats for the time being in relation to the DOW, but I for one would be one of the first in line to take my live cash out of the bank. But that's me.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by zorgon

Well I went to WAMU this morning and found the doors ope... business as usual... accounts intact and my mortgage safe..

The only hint was a form letter from the new CEO that says things will be fine...

So all the panic last thursday seems to be gone

Now then the stack market DOWN?

Well get yer butts out of that chair and buy some stocks while you can. Any GOOD company will survive and rise again... its happened before will happen again...

BUT THIS TIME The average Joe can pick up a deal because you don't need huge minimums like during previous crashes...

Get out there and get rich

Errrr anyone got a few grand they can spare? I have this deal....

[Lance]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi zorgon,

I'm sure that the CEO from WAMU will not scream, "Run for the hills! - it's over!!." But that's another story.

I agree with you about buying cheap stocks however I still feel the markets will fall furthwer and the real bargains are to be made later on.

Yesterday with the fall of 777 on the DOW took off 1 trillion 200 billion US from the market which mostly came from the banking sector (I have to ask you if really you beleive your money is safe) that is almost the DOUBLE of what the government was asking for to - and it must be said cleary - GAMBLE with public money to try and save these institutions. If they have lost almost the double and are still in business, what would 700billion US have done? As I see it, would have just protected their bottom line.

I also don't think that the crisis will affect the good creditors on the high street, however it will make credit more expensive (if the banks survive and according to your CEO from WAMU that's going to happen).

So as I see it, bums can stay in seats for the time being in relation to the DOW, but I for one would be one of the first in line to take my live cash out of the bank. But that's me.

Best regards,

Steve

Good time to buy AEM!

[Avid]

All the trillions of $'s of bullion here should be returned to the rightful owners..... The Public, the people who have been robbed.
Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation.....

Original article link was taken down - it had pix of the vast stash of bars in vaults deep under NYC. And that was only 1 location....

[eaglespirit]

We ARE turning the corner...right now!

We will be doing transactions with one another personally on a handshake, a pat on the back, a hug, simple bartering...moreso than ever before!

Clusters of "new" Family/Friends will gather to help one another.

The $BIG LIE$ and everything non-ethical connected to it directly and indirectly is imploding ALL for the good and all in doubletime and all in the now.

Money matters ARE becoming NON-matter!

Help One Another Unconditionally...You Will be Guided if You Ask from the Heart!

[Zarathustra]

It's not over yet, I just placed another call to my Rep. Everyone call and encourage everyone you know to call! It's not over yet!

[Xmen442002]

This is going to be bad. China will make the call on our debt to them tomorrow. The levy is breaking apart.

I now have a little respect for congress.


Xmen

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

remember the billion and trillions that will be wiped off the stock market never existed anyway.. the dollar will collapse regardless. the question is what will replace it and how long the depression will be. i get the feeling the NWO wont taek no for an answer. last week they already bailed out to the tune of 900 billion in one week!!!!!!!! alex jones talkeda bout how the 700 billion ios a boit of a smoke screen, but at least it amy havfe stopped the 5 trillion more ,,,, who knows..

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

it will collapse its either you or the banks that pay.. keep ringing to make sure its the banks.. pray they dont go nuts and haarp california or go to war.. peace

[gazbom]

Originally Posted by pineal-pilot-in merkabah

it will collapse its either you or the banks that pay.. keep ringing to make sure its the banks.. pray they dont go nuts and haarp california or go to war.. peace

I don't think the banks will pay somehow, we will have to pay, for their greed!
Tax rises on the way.

[mntruthseeker]

love you Ron Paul thanks for being YOU

Thank God our prayers are being answered. No stopping now!

Stand proud Americans !!!!!

[THE PEACEFUL WARRIOR]

Whoooo Hoooo...here go the dominoes!

Hold on to your hats Guys and Gals...
"Coz Kansas just went bye byes"!

This is all planned, they WANT the economy to TANK!

Don't believe their spin, everyones blaming everyone, but this HAS ALL BEEN PLANNED!

October will be a month like no other before it!

Don't buy into the fear, love your friends and families, kiss your cats and dogs and go hug a tree!

Big Love to ALL...

PEACE OUT

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by THE PEACEFUL WARRIOR

Whoooo Hoooo...here go the dominoes!

Hold on to your hats Guys and Gals...
"Coz Kansas just went bye byes"!

This is all planned, they WANT the economy to TANK!

Don't believe their spin, everyones blaming everyone, but this HAS ALL BEEN PLANNED!

October will be a month like no other before it!

Don't buy into the fear, love your friends and families, kiss your cats and dogs and go hug a tree!

Big Love to ALL...

PEACE OUT

There is a big whole in the TITANIC and we are trying to strike up the Band so we don't here the screaming. We have to stop letting others think for us regardless of the situation.
I agree with you 100%. These guys planned this over 200 years ago. Illuminati protocol number 3 section eleven says

11. THIS HATRED WILL BE STILL FURTHER MAGNIFIED BY THE EFFECTS of an ECONOMIC CRISES, which will stop dealing on the exchanges and bring industry to a standstill. We shall create by all the secret subterranean methods open to us and with the aid of gold, which is all in our hands, A UNIVERSAL ECONOMIC CRISES WHEREBY WE SHALL THROW UPON THE STREETS WHOLE MOBS OF WORKERS SIMULTANEOUSLY IN ALL THE COUNTRIES OF EUROPE. These mobs will rush delightedly to shed the blood of those whom, in the simplicity of their ignorance, they have envied from their cradles, and whose property they will then be able to loot.

12. "OURS" THEY WILL NOT TOUCH, BECAUSE THE MOMENT OF ATTACK WILL BE KNOWN TO US AND WE SHALL TAKE MEASURES TO PROTECT OUR OWN.