God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, Amen Ra, Hathor, Abraxasinas, Thubans,

[orthodoxymoron]

I am presently traveling from thin-ice onto very thin-ice. Reader discretion advised.

What if a Human Creator God...had absolute power...and became absolutely corrupted...and mistreated the Reptilians. What if this is Original Sin? What if the Reptilian Lucifer rebelled and destroyed this Human Creator God (was the New York Times right?)...and declared himself (or herself) to be the New God? What if this resulted in hundreds of thousands...or even millions of years of...Human vs Reptilian war? What if Earth history is a continuation of this conflict...with Lucifer playing God to the Human Race? What if all of the ancient deities were one deity...Lucifer? What if many of the major Biblical characters...including God, Moses, Jesus, Satan, etc...were all parts played by Lucifer? What if Lucifer is both good and evil...and is sort of a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde...and can be the best of the best...and then swing to being the worst of the worst? What if Lucifer tried to do a better job than the original Human God...but became even more corrupted by absolute power than the original God? What if most of the major wars and atrocities have been instigated by Lucifer...up to, and including 9/11? What if Lucifer is very seriously insane...yet very truly in complete control of this Solar System...if not the entire Universe? What if Lucifer is responsible for most of the major architecture such as the Pyramids and the Cathedrals...and much music and science...etc? What if Lucifer is presently contemplating the extermination of most of the Human Race...and the enlavement of the rest...with the Reptilians ruling openly...sporting their new 'Human' bodies?

I sincerely hope that all of the above is utter BS...and pure, unmitigated popycock. But what if at least some of it is true? I've obviously oversimplified the theory...just to create a thumbnail sketch. I could say more...a lot more...probably too much. Please prove me wrong. I don't want any of this to be true. If it is...once again...I seek a Solar System based upon Constitutional Responsible Freedom...with No God...Reptilian or Human. I seek rampant Namaste...which would include both Reptilians and Humans. If Lucifer is playing God...I wish for Lucifer to retire and recover. Recovery may take hundreds, thousands, or even millions of years...but I do think that it is possible. Hope springs eternal. What do you think Lucifer? Can we stop the BS...and move on?

Now you know that I'm utterly mad. Can you imagine what would happen if someone preached a sermon like this? That would be the last sermon they ever preached.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMub1_CdOrQ

[orthodoxymoron]

Could it be that the reptilians and greys were ruling from the shadows even in Heaven...prior to the War in Heaven...and the Fall? Did Lucifer smell a rat...and rebel in the same way that people are currently rebelling against what they perceive as the corrupt PTB? Was Heaven really Heaven...or were the heavenly PTB hiding a very dark secret? Did Lucifer soon learn that he too had to deal with the reptilians and greys? Is this true for all factions in the universe? Is Lucifer a mediator between the reptilians and Earth humans? Is the Pope the visible manifestation of Lucifer...the Vicar of Lucifer? I don't say this as a slam or an attack. I'm just trying to figure out what the hell is going on...and why nothing makes sense. If all of the above is true...could the reptilians and greys get what they want by peacefully coexisting with a sovereign humanity? Reps ruling reps. Greys ruling greys. Humans ruling humans. Wouldn't this be in everyone's best interest? I think it would.

I'm not sure what the details are...but I see huge problems involving responsibility, freedom, power, government, reptilians, greys, and humans...going back billions of years. Why can't a rational interrelationship be established between these seven words? Why is this so hard? Why does everything have to be so stupid?

[Initiate]

Lucifer has gone. He has been unmade of his own choosing.

See http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...3&postcount=54 and http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...0&postcount=53

"Now what I find interesting is that the Urantia books were written just before I was born. What has happened since has changed some what as the players have also changed in their respective roles. What happened to Lucifer? The key point here is that what ever became of Lucifer has happened in our life time. That should give it some new meaning as to the present. Divine history happened and you won't find it in the bible or the Urantia books because this has happened in the last 15 years or so. Think about that. The ramifications of what that means in our now. I don't know the exact date as maybe someone who is more adept at researching might find that exact date. To me it isn't that detrimental plus or minus a few years. But it has happened in my life time. But also at a cost. A cost to the isness as one who was once considered and named so eloquently is now gone forever. Another took his place and I haven't read the Urantia book completely as I am way behind on the stack of reading that I have already but what I can gather it looks like an interesting twist in our time. All of this history from the very beginning happened because there was this self entitled attitude that chose to abuse the Free Agency Gift that our Creator provided. Lucifer was presented with a choice. Imagine after all the evil he had caused, the Creator still had the compassion to allow Lucifer a choice. When Lucifer came to his senses as to what he had done, he basically couldn't face himself. So he asked the Creator to un create him and recycle his energy back into the isness. That is what basically happened.
"

"The system circuits will not be reinstated as long as Lucifer lives. It is believed that all rebels who will ever accept mercy have already done so. The universe awaits the Uversa decree that will deprive these rebels of personality existence.' " And from what has been said at other threads here at Avalon the Crystal Circuits have been activated.

The Devil has a new name "Caligastia." see http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper53.html. Urantia is what the off worlders call our planet. The Urantia Book was gifted in 1955 by what I believe to be those that guide us unseen or unnoticed. Those that have an edict to support us in our uplifting.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm feeling really close to the truth...yet really far away. I'm thinking that Sirius is at the center of everything...yet I'm not sure exactly how.

Could it be that the God of This World is a Draconian-possessed androgynous black human alien from Sirius who heads Giza Intelligence, the Secret Space Program, and the Deep Underground Military Bases...and who is the real Black Pope? Could the Ark of the Covenant be the UFO which brought us here from Sirius along with technology obtained from Draconian-demons in exchange for allowing the Draconians to possess the elite-humans? Is this solar system really part of the Siran solar system? Is our sun really Sirius C? Is the ancient depiction of three suns really Sirius A, Sirius B, and Sirius C? Are the tall greys from Sirius, really just human beings? Did we all come from Sirius? Is there a stargate between this solar system and Sirius? Is all of the cr@p we have been in for millions of years really a Sirian civil war? Are we all different factions of Sirians? Would my pet project of The United States of the Solar System really have to apply to Sirius as well? Is Sirius the All Seeing Eye at the top of the pyramid? Is Sunday really Sun God Day? Is this sun really Sirius? Is the Roman Catholic Church all about Sirius? Are the Masons all about Sirius? Are the occultists all about Sirius? Is the layout of Washington D.C. all about Sirius? Is the Sirian Theocratic System really the Universal Church aka The Holy Roman Empire aka the New World Order?

How answerest thou...SaLuSa?

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is something relevant to this thread that I posted on another thread:

The Aldebarans are supposedly renegade Pleiadians. Did they thumb their noses at the Pleiadian Powers That Be...and make deals with the Devil aka Draconians...to obtain Technology and Spiritual Power? Was the Pleiades really Heaven? Was the Person In Charge really God. Was Lucifer a Pleiadian who tried to get a better deal by dealing with the Dracs? Did this result in the famous War in Heaven? Did Lucifer drag one third of the Pleiadians to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth? Are we all Fallen Angels? Is this why Lucifer is the God of This World? Some say Lucifer is no more...but I doubt this. Is Aldebaran still renegade Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius A and Arcturus completely unfallen Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius B and Earth in Sirius trouble? Is a final battle brewing to settle this thing once and for all?

Or...is the whole Universe under Draconian control...including the Pleiades? Did the God in the Pleiades keep this a secret to make a bad situation seem like Heaven? Did Lucifer smell a rat...and try to fight fire with fire...hoping to get technology and spirituality from the Dracs...and then turn on them? Could the final phase of this be happening presently? Is that what's brewing? Is this 'The Great Work'? Are Sirius B and Earth engaged in a rebellion against the Dracs which must be crushed? Will the Empire strike back? Does Sirius B and our Sun contain Planets in Rebellion? Do they threaten the Draconian Universal Church Theocracy? Did Lucifer mean well...but did he or she bite off more than they could chew...and go insane? I keep thinking that Lucifer is like Colonel Kurz in 'Apocalypse Now'. If Constitutional Responsible Freedom really catches fire...will this be the end of Draconian Universal Domination? I really and truly don't know. All of the above could be complete BS.

I don't know who the good-guys and who the bad-guys are anymore. Do you?

[orthodoxymoron]

Could it be that Satan and Demons are really Interdimensional Draconian Reptilians who hate Humans? Could it be that God, Lucifer, and Jesus are Pleiadian Humans...and that even Lucifer is a good-guy or good-gal? They could all possibly be good. Could it be that they are all at odds with the Dracs...and that they simply have different philosophies regarding how to deal with them? Do they lead the three or four factions which I suspect are headquartered in underground bases...here and on the Moon? I believe in the literal existence of all of the above. With this in mind...consider the following link regarding God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, etc: http://www.lucifer.com/lucifer.html Do the Dracs control the Vatican...against the will of the Curia and the Pope? Is the term 'Luciferian' really a cover for 'Draconian'? I keep thinking that the Dracs need to be kicked out of our Solar System. I keep thinking that no one should bow down and worship anyone...including worshipping God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer, etc. We should simply reverence the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Christlike Holy Spirit. We should see Christ in All Persons. Lucifer...is this correct? I continue to suspect that you would be ok if the Dracs were gone...you retired...and if our Solar System was based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. I still wish to hear you improvise on the Cavaille-Coll pipe-organ at Saint Sulpice...after this mess is resolved. Lucifer...can you use your Galactic Rolodex to arrange a Solar System Exorcism...and to arrange replacing the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and have this apply to the entire Solar System? I tend to think that you can. Perhaps you have already called in the strike. If so...thank-you in advance. See you at Saint Sulpice. Namaste Lucifer.

[THE eXchanger]

how do you define a human ???

[firefly]

Your probably right Ortho, and we don't know if they are the good guys but they're not saying to go out and kill or steal etc. They are preaching that Love is the Key. There will probably be a big adjustment coming. I have learned alot recently . You know, there are so many questions and no answers, not yet. However all your questions are no doubt making people here in avalon think and thats important. Perhaps the Creator doesn't have much to do with our planet and hasn't had for a long time allowing the malevolent to take over and control the situation. But I tend to believe that he/she is dissapointed with the way things have turned out and the Divine Consciousness and the true nature of Christ through reading the Letters in www.christ'sway.com . In regards to the Lucifer website the writer is basing all his beliefs and interpretations on the stories in the Bible is he not? when he is being critical of God/Jehovah. I have many doubts about the authenticity of the writers who wrote the so called Holy Book. Its going to be difficult to stay sane whilst firguring all this out ortho. All I know is, that I have found a kind of peace in my life since I have decided to think only through my heart. And if Love is exercised as the Key, then we won't have any fear and that will hopefully stop (them) in their tracks. The messages that I am receiving are telling me that we create our own reality and if we think that their are reptilians, draco's, grays and evil fallen angels then thats what we will have. As a collective conscience in this world we humans will be creating absolute havoc for ourselves.

In another thread I shared a revelation that one of my daughters receivedl. It happened when she was writing down her thoughts when all of a sudden the pen was writing words automatically that she had no control over. When she had finished this is part of what was written.

"The eating of meat or should I say flesh is to destroy the creation. You were meant to live in harmony with this world and have long prosperous lives, but you destroyed it because the demons have been moulding and manipulation you for thousands of years. You have become a disease on this planet killing everything in your path just as the demons have planned for you to do. You kill life, therefore they will take you and eventually everything will be consumed into nothing.

You are the creation and you must remember that the demons are everywhere gradually taking control of this life this creation.

I will destroy it once time has come. Not destroy the world but destroy the disease that has become of this creation, Like I can destroy many of my other creations. You have the ability to be saved by understanding what I AM and what I AM not. What is inside of you can tell you if you truely understand what the creation is and how the creation is God. The power the Light the Love that is inside of you, the way you feel towards your children (she has two) is the way I feel about my Creation. I AM dissapointed with the way it has turned out but I will not completely destroy it. I will take those that I know are pure in theirs hearts/their blood and are not fooled by the coming events or have contributed to them occuring.

There are hundreds of genuine people who have done some very wrong things in order to get this world into shape and where it is today. But many people have taken much life or contributed in creating and allowing the penetration of this disease into mankind so they cannot see or even begin to understand as to what God and the Creation are and that they are one and the same and how unique you are on this planet. This Garden of Eden that allowed you my creation to live enjoy and be creators of yourself through the Earth your Mother who bore you, and I the Father who is your Soul your Light your Energy, that is You...........(there is more.....) Let me know if you want to read the rest.

I have asked her on many occasions if she believed it was the Creator that wrote on that day, but she can't be sure. I feel there is alot of spiritual awakening happening all around the world. Perhaps some of it is from the Creator, or benevolent beings, no doubt some is not. I don't know Ortho, but I feel there is a big deception happening out there, and I'm being very cautious in saying that we are probably being manipulated ,big time,especially with the internet.

Peace be with you
firefly

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by firefly

Let me know if you want to read the rest.

firefly

certainly, post the rest ~ very interesting what she
'automatically' writes
love/susan

[firefly]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

certainly, post the rest ~ very interesting what she
'automatically' writes
love/susan

Okay! here it is eXchanger.

"Man is unique because I made him like Me. Not in the physical sense but in the sense that I gave them the power to think, to create, to achieve whatever their minds desire. However, these demons have been trying to control you, these demons that I once locked away are creeping back in, fooling man into many beliefs to advance their technology and their plans.(could this be referring to ET's) If I don't stop them they will consume you through deceit and lies. They are .....sins, the demons all instructed by satan their leader to devour My Creation in whatever means possible. However, I will not let that happen. I will destroy him for good and all his offspring and followers. No one will escape Me.

There are many out there that have done no wrong but remain ignorant to the happenings on a spiritual level. They concentrate on their sports their media and other outlets. These are ways of keeping you controlled. Most people will not believe that this creation in front of them is not the Creator.

I will stop this, save as many that are worthy and are not blinded by the beliefs the new world provides.

Jesus was the son I created to save your souls from the demons. It is through Him you can gain redeption for your sins against my Creation, through the life you have had to lead, the choices you make and lessons you learn along the way.

I will look after the children that are still mine and believe in Me."


Peace and Love to all
firefly

[orthodoxymoron]

I guess that 'Gray's Anatomy' would describe and illustrate that which is 'Human'. I guess that 'Grey's Anatomy' would describe that which is 'Reptilian/Grey'. But just in case...here is the Wikipedia version...which I somewhat disagree with. I think we were created and/or evolved somewhere (and somewhen?) else...and were brought to Earth...as fully Human Beings. I don't think the Annunaki created us. They may have 'detuned' us...but who knows?

Human
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
See Homo sapiens (disambiguation).
This article is about modern humans. For other human species, see Homo (genus). For other uses, see Human (disambiguation).
Human[1]
Fossil range: 0.2–0 Ma PreЄЄOSDCPTJKPgN↓Pleistocene - Recent

Human male and female
Conservation status

Least Concern (IUCN 3.1)
Scientific classification
Kingdom: Animalia

Phylum: Chordata

Class: Mammalia

Order: Primates

Family: Hominidae

Subfamily: Homininae

Tribe: Hominini

Genus: Homo

Species: H. sapiens

Subspecies: H. s. sapiens

Trinomial name
Homo sapiens sapiens
Linnaeus, 1758
Humans are bipedal primates belonging to the species Homo sapiens (Latin: "wise man" or "knowing man") in Hominidae, the great ape family.[2][3] They are the only surviving member of the genus Homo. Humans have a highly developed brain, capable of abstract reasoning, language, introspection, and problem solving. This mental capability, combined with an erect body carriage that frees the arms for manipulating objects, has allowed humans to make far greater use of tools than any other species. Mitochondrial DNA and fossil evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago.[4] Humans now inhabit every continent and low Earth orbit, with a total population of 6.8 billion as of November 2009.[5]

Like most higher primates, humans are social by nature. However, humans are uniquely adept at utilizing systems of communication for self-expression, the exchange of ideas, and organization. Humans create complex social structures composed of many cooperating and competing groups, from families to nations. Social interactions between humans have established an extremely wide variety of values, social norms, and rituals, which together form the basis of human society. Humans have a marked appreciation for beauty and aesthetics which, combined with the human desire for self-expression, has led to cultural innovations such as art, literature and music.

Humans are noted for their desire to understand and influence their environment, seeking to explain and manipulate natural phenomena through science, philosophy, mythology and religion. This natural curiosity has led to the development of advanced tools and skills, which are passed down culturally; humans are the only extant species known to build fires, cook their food, clothe themselves, and use numerous other technologies.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for sharing the message firefly. Who knows what the source was? I'm wary of automatic writing...as I'm wary of nearly all supernatural occurrences...but the author seemed to be benevolent. I'm beginning to think that the universe is populated by very imperfect beings...and that some of these beings play god. I'm thinking that the one or ones who were instrumental in our creation are not the one or ones we are dealing with in this Solar System...historically and presently.

I think we're going to make it...but that our future may be quite difficult. I really think we live on a haunted planet...as the message suggests. I think that demons and deceptions are everywhere. Even though I no longer believe a lot of Christian (or other) theology...I don't want to venture too far from the Teachings of Jesus...or from the Living Christ (as separate and distinct from the Historical Jesus who Albert Schweitzer came to profoundly question).

Thanks again for sharing. The message sounded like it contained a lot of truth...regardless of the source. But I'd like to see even the demons relocated and rehabilitated...if that's even possible. And I'd like to know the full and honest truth about the demons...and why they seemingly hate us so much. What if they have a legitimate grievance...but have allowed it to drive them completely mad? What if the demons are mercenaries who do the bidding of malevolent human beings? These are not rhetorical questions (some of my questions are rhetorical). I just want everything to begin making sense...even if I don't like the reality of the predicament which we may be in.

[firefly]

Thanks ortho,

Perhaps the demons hate us so, because we are supposedly unique, as we a co-creators. I think our planet and mankind is unique but at the same time one of many creations. Perhaps satan and his minions are really envious of us and out connection to the Father and they are trying their hardest to bring us down.
Perhaps this whole ET and UFO thing is a great disception. Afterall man's ego has grown expotentially in last 100 years with science etc. What better way to fool us, by appealing to our scientific ego's. And when the UFO's come for us and tell us they're here to save us from our dystructive planet. Where will you be.? I for one will not be going into any alien or manmade flying saucer. My connection with the Christ Conscienceness will lift my vibrations to a higher realm without any machine.

I think you know ortho that I have been reading Christ's Letters and they have given me so much peace. (I have to share this with you and I hope you don't mind)

I had been meditating, and reading and listening to some beautiful music that I usually have playing while meditating and praying. One morning last week I woke and still half asleep. I asked myself 'should I listen to the morning news on my clock radio or should I get up and put on my music and meditate. Well I didn't have to make the decision someone made it for me because my CD came on all by its little self. And I thanked Christ Jesus. It was obvious that the negative news was not good for my soul or my spiritual journey. Alot of incredible things have happened to me since the Letters came to me, and I am grateful for them.

Peace and Love to you
firefly.

[orthodoxymoron]

There is no single right way to heal ourselves and become enlightened. If you are doing something which works for you...well keep doing it...by all means! The CD experience was interesting. Music is probably a huge part of healing and enlightenment. On the other hand...the more spiritual one becomes...the more harsh everyday reality seems to be. We probably need the beautiful experiences which come to us during meditation AND we also need to face all manner of harsh realities. This is a delicate balance...and so far I have not been able to achieve it. I'm sort of like the teenager learning to drive. Hard on the gas! Hard on the brakes! Hit the trashcans! The Dracs probably even laugh!

[orthodoxymoron]

Regardless of whether you agree with me or not...or whether you like me or not...psychology/ethics/politics/religion (in the context of the subjects which surface in Camelot and Avalon) are central to solving our delemma. The City States and Secret Governments need to be profoundly purified and reformed. This will probably involve some type of benevolent off-world assistance. I envision a perfected Humanity living in a perfected Solar System. Physicality is not a bad thing...as long as it is highly ethical and spiritual...and we should appreciate it. This Solar System is prime real estate...which should be properly cared for...and we should appreciate it.

There are several major factions which go way, way back in Earth history...and further back than that...which should be identified and traced. I've made a feeble attempt to look at this...but I don't have the resources to properly do it. This is key to understanding where we came from...what the hell we are doing right now (or should be doing)...and where we are going (or could go). Controversy, turmoil, pain, suffering, and confusion are part of the deal. There is no way to neatly and cleanly figure out what's going on...and resolve our problems. Consider everything from all angles...all the time. This takes a lot of work. Beware of easy answers, simple solutions, and smooth saviors.

I suspect that we are just scratching the surface. Consider this thread to be a motivator...more than anything.

Namaste

[Initiate]

I'm starting to get the intense feeling Ortho that all pathways of the truth are leading to the same conclusion. Your onto it. keep up the good work.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Initiate. I'm just trying to face reality. My insecurity propels me forward...and then I discover things which make me even more insecure! My insecurity and emotional trauma make it difficult for me to properly research these important topics. There are so many agendas and lies! This world is a very troubled and dangerous place! There is so much pain and confusion!

That link you provided (nibiruancouncil.com) is fascinating! Thank-you! I really need to stop blabbing on the internet...and actually read for an extended period of time. Unfortunately...when I read...my mind wanders and I tend to go to sleep!

Speaking of reading...there is a book which was published in the late 1800's titled 'The Great Controversy (Between Christ and Satan in the Conflict of the Ages)' by Ellen White. It is very interesting regarding the subject of this thread. I don't agree with a lot of things in it...but so many principles and concepts in this book are highly profound. The Jesuits know about this book...to say the least! There was one report...if I remember correctly...where unseen hands tore this book in two...the hard way! I shared this book with an ivy-league educated theologian...who was usually rather cynical and skeptical...and he spoke positively about the book...which shocked me at the time.

Namaste

[Initiate]

Ultimately I am feeling as you do ortho. I truely believe that whilst we can piece together the jigsaw puzzle out there, the true answers lie within. That's what makes this so incredible. We search for the answers outside of ourselves. The more we look the more there is to find. Yet, incredibly the answers are there all along. Inside of us. We just need to take the time to ask the questions and then listen for the answers. Of course, looking outside helps us to know what questions to ask. You have looked outside of yourself and are getting lost. Now, go within, and find the answers. You don't have to become a monk. just sit quietly. Don't look at the computer screen and feel your self breating and just listen (patiently) to your inner most voice. The answers will come. Then, enjoy life and the freedom and peace that that brings.

The wierdest thing is I have know this since before I can remember. Just took this long for me to admit it. Ultimately you find yourself on the quest for the holy grail. It's not out there. It's inside of you. In the deepest receses of your heart mind. God has a sense of humour don't you know.

peace brother.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Initiate. I'm basically crazy...but I pull myself together long enough to produce semi-rational posts. It almost seems as though one has to go to hell to get at the truth. The theory is that the unseen bad-guys fight you every inch of the way when you start getting close to the truth. THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE EXPOSED. The truth will set us free...but it might make us very miserable along the way. Jesus said that he had many things to tell us...but we couldn't take it. I think we are learning about a lot of those things in Camelot and Avalon (including all the links)...especially if we read between the lines. I sincerely hope that we can take it. I think things will mellow out once we gain (regain) our freedom...but I also think we will always face huge problems of various kinds.

You have obviously done your homework Initiate...and I'm learning a lot from all of your posts. I sometimes think we have academics who post here...who wouldn't dare talk about Camelot and Avalon topics in the classroom. Who knows...we may even have some off-world posters. This forum may be a model for a future United Nations which includes the entire Solar System.

Consider rewatching (or watching for the first time) all of the Stargate episodes (including the movie)...with theology in mind...in each and every episode. Also consider rewatching (or watching for the first time) all of the 'V' episodes (1984 and 2009)...with theology in mind...in each and every episode. Theology may be stranger than Science Fiction.

Could many Human Beings, Supercomputers, and Androids be possessed by Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians aka Demons? Could two main factions really be Zionist Theocratic (Pleiadian) and Teutonic Zionist Luciferian (Aldebaran)? Is there a third Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom faction (Andromedan?) which seeks an end to this madness through peaceful means? I tend to think (without inside info) that the first two factions (whoever they really are) are not in control of the situation (if they ever were). I think they have both been deceived. Perhaps this would be a good time for all three factions to cooperate with each other...and call upon benevolent extraterrestrials...to perform a Solar System Exorcism. I don't know what the root issues are with the Dracs...but I think they should go now. We can address various grievances in a constructive and appropriate manner...at a later date. I continue to support the idea of amnesty for full disclosure, full cooperation, and reasonable restitution...applying to all factions. Who knows...the Dracs might eventually turn out to be model citizens!

Namaste

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Murcuriel. The Urantia Book gets at the heart of the problem...doesn't it? Here are the links (with the material in the previous post...in context):

Chapter 53: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p053.htm
Chapter 54: http://urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p054.htm

Listen to this while you read!
Namaste

[orthodoxymoron]

The latest Avalon meltdown rendered the video links inoperable. I reconstructed them...so everything is back to normal...until the next meltdown.

Namaste

[orthodoxymoron]

Please consider this Amen Ra thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...d=1#post202245 in the context of the God, Jesus, Satan, Lucifer thread. Amen Ra may really be at the center of everything.

Namaste

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you 14 Chakras. The exaltation of humanity...rather than the exaltation of self...should be the goal. The way of the cross should not involve self-degradation or self-flagellation...but rather should involve physical, emotional, and spiritual discipline. The Ferrari story was intended to illustrate that one does not have to be retentive to the nth degree in order to be Christ-like.

Namaste

[orthodoxymoron]

Is God a Girl? Does the following Anime Music Video reveal part of the Divinity Within Humanity? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD4oNCn1jpo I'm not trying to be a smart alec...and I'm not asking a rhetorical question. Do you consider this video to be inspiring or offensive? On YouTube...someone commented that God was not a girl...because a girl wouldn't have $crewed things up this badly!!! Another person said that having a girl God would be better than having a mean old man for a God!!! Whatever the case may be...I think that we need to gradually perfect the Human Race...and perfect the Solar System...and not through Draconian Eugenics and Extermination...but rather through following Responsibility wherever it leads.

Jesus said 'you must be like little children to enter the Kingdom'...and elsewhere the Bible says 'a little child shall lead them'. I have a problem with some of the risque drawings in the video...but overall...the artistic beauty, uplifting music, innocence, and spiritual allusions...are representative of a small portion of the Divinity Within Humanity. Focusing on the ideal in art, music, literature, science, nature, spirituality, governance, etc...will lead us to higher ground...on the road to utopia.

Remembering me, discover and see,
All over the world, shes known as a girl,
To those who are free, their minds shall be key,
Forgotten as the past, cause history will last.

God is a girl, wherever you are,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?
God is a girl, whatever you say,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?
God is a girl, however you live,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?
God is a girl, shes only a girl,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?

She wants to shine, forever in time,
She is so driven, shes always mine,
Clearly and free, she wants you to be,
A part of the future, a girl like me,
There is a sky, illuminating us,
Someone is out there, that we truly trust,
There is a rainbow, for you and me,
A beautiful sunrise, eternally.

God is a girl, wherever you are,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?
God is a girl, whatever you say,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?
God is a girl, however you live,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?
God is a girl, shes only a girl,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?

She wants to shine, forever in time,
She is so driven, shes always mine,
Clearly and free, she wants you to be,
A part of the future, a girl like me,
There is a sky, illuminating us,
Someone is out there, that we truly trust,
There is a rainbow, for you and me,
A beautiful sunrise, eternally.

God is a girl, wherever you are,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?
God is a girl, whatever you say,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?
God is a girl, however you live,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?
God is a girl, shes only a girl,
Do you believe it, can you receive it?

Namaste

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you zaina. The goal is a higher level of psychological, ethical, and spiritual development...resulting in a better world. But part of the process involves facing unpleasant realities. Hopefully this can be accomplished in a somewhat balanced fashion...but there is really no easy or right way to do this. There are pros and cons to just about everything.

Namaste