Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! - Page 5

burgundia · 07-28-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

Just to get across the point that 'they' can induce any problem to slow down a threat to them or eliminate a continuing threat.

Barry

i wasn't questiong their ability to induce cancer. I was trying to say that it's smarter and evokes less suspecion...

orthodoxymoron · 07-28-2009, 08:05 PM

I don't really want to be an insider...because I fear that this would involve taking orders...directly or indirectly...from malevolent beings...human and otherwise. I deeply respect those who have paid their dues on the inside...and who have divulged information to the general public...the act of which could get them incarcerated or murdered...or black-balled at the very least. Unfortunately...even the insiders contradict each other. What was it that Richard Hoagland said? 'The lie is different at every level'.

Most of us are trying to learn forbidden knowledge from all available sources...including books, YouTube, Google, DVD's, Conventions, etc...and then brainstorm about what we have learned. Most of what we learn is probably pure unmitigated popycock...and most of our interpretations and understandings of the truth are fatally flawed. We have to speculate...because information continues to be suppressed...and we continue to be lied to. But we are doing the best we can. There are more than six billion humans...and who knows how many greys and reptilians...living on this miserable planet...and yet there are fewer than a thousand active members on this relatively high profile forum.

I consider each and every one of them to be brave pioneers in a brave new universe.

Cymatic Veilbegone · 07-28-2009, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I don't really want to be an insider...because I fear that this would involve taking orders...directly or indirectly...from malevolent beings...human and otherwise. I deeply respect those who have paid their dues on the inside...and who have divulged information to the general public...the act of which could get them incarcerated or murdered...or black-balled at the very least. Unfortunately...even the insiders contradict each other. What was it that Richard Hoagland said? 'The lie is different at every level'.

Most of us are trying to learn forbidden knowledge from all available sources...including books, YouTube, Google, DVD's, Conventions, etc...and then brainstorm about what we have learned. Most of what we learn is probably pure unmitigated popycock...and most of our interpretations and understandings of the truth are fatally flawed. We have to speculate...because information continues to be suppressed...and we continue to be lied to. But we are doing the best we can. There are more than six billion humans...and who knows how many greys and reptilians...living on this miserable planet...and yet there are fewer than a thousand active members on this relatively high profile forum.

I consider each and every one of them to be brave pioneers in a brave new universe.

I second that emotion...except for the miserable planet part.

orthodoxymoron · 07-28-2009, 11:03 PM

I'm thinking mostly of the violent history of Earth...right up to the present...with rumors of future war and extermination. Earth has huge potential...and is very beautiful...yet misery is everywhere.

By the way...that Baha'i Lotus Temple of World Peace in New Delhi looks really cool. It appears to have some of the same design ideas and construction as the Opera House in Sydney, Australia (and also St. Mary's Roman Catholic Cathedral in San Francisco). I'm a sucker for cool church, temple, and cathedral architecture...but I won't bow down and worship anyone! Sorry Lucifer. I like the idea of spiritual centers rather than houses of worship. Worship implies Unquestioning Submission. Submission implies Enslavement. Enslavement is the opposite of Freedom.

orthodoxymoron · 07-29-2009, 05:37 AM

This XCon 2004 presentation by Philip Corso, Jr. is very interesting regarding what he says concerning Steven Greer and disclosure: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...57082051&hl=en Does anyone know if Corso gave Greer any documents...or if Greer began looking in different places for different reasons?

orthodoxymoron · 07-29-2009, 06:41 AM

The following is from beliefnet.com regarding the Baha'i faith:

Belief in Deity

One personal God Almighty, creator, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent--incorporeal spirit.

Incarnations

The prophets of many religions, e.g. Jesus Christ, Moses, Muhammad, Buddha, are revered as Manifestations and Messengers of God, pre-existent spirits (with individual souls) sent to reveal God's message. Each of the Manifestations is considered equal in stature as the perfect reflection, the infallible word, and the divine spirit of God. Bah'u'llh was the latest but not final Messenger, bringing Gods revelation to the modern world, and is considered to be the fulfillment of the promised return of Christ. The Messengers are not worshipped as equal or identical to God but are considered an intermediate level of existence between human and God.

Origin of Universe and Life

God created all from nothing and controls all phenomena that modern science reveals about the origins of the universe and life. They support scientific study and education, as they believe science serves to reveal rather than dispute God's awesome creative powers.

After Death

Literal interpretations of resurrection, heaven, and hell are regarded as figments of imagination. Resurrection is the spiritual awakening that occurs upon the appearance of a new Manifestation. Heaven is the indescribable bliss of closeness to God, harmony with God's will as revealed by the Manifestations--eternal spiritual life. The closer one is to knowing and loving God, the greater the joy of paradise. Hell is the self-made torture of isolation from God--spiritual death. Unlimited spiritual growth toward perfection continues after death.

Why Evil?

No original sin or Satan. The human nature that God created is all good, including both animal and spiritual aspects. God also gave people free will, and some will choose to express their inherently good nature in imperfect ways. The concept of Satan in the scriptures is symbolic for humans' choice to express the lower or animal side of their nature in ways that separate them from God. Those farthest from God are most prone to wrongdoing.

Salvation

Salvation lies in the search for truth as revealed by the Manifestations of God--the achievement of spiritual perfection and closeness to God, deliverance from one's imperfection or base nature. This is achieved by faith in God and strict obedience to the commands of God; turning to the latest Manifestation of God, Bah'u'llh, for spiritual guidance; study of the scriptures of the Manifestations; required daily private prayer; meditation; active participation in service work (tantamount to worship). No sacraments, e.g., baptism.

Undeserved Suffering

All suffering, including that caused by natural disasters, are God's will as a punitive, educational, or remedial response to individual or to humanity's denial of God and disobedience to the Divine Commands. All of humanity suffer when one commits wrong, and all benefit when one does good. The best often suffer the most for humanity's misdeeds. Nonpunitive suffering is part of God's plan to challenge the soul with adversity. Suffering educates the sufferer and aids spiritual growth toward perfection. Suffering helps people to remember God in their grief. The suffering of innocents will be greatly rewarded in the world to come.

Contemporary Issues

Devoted to world unity--one world government and religion, peaceful conflict resolution (but opposes disobedience to one's government), gender equality and women's rights (which does not include promotion of abortion rights), anti-poverty, and anti-discrimination. Service to others is considered a form of worship. Discourages divorce but doesnt punish or condemn; disapproves of homosexuality.

Steve_A · 07-29-2009, 11:29 AM

Hi orthodoxymoron,

If it's true that Greer makes up part of the Baha'i faith and your source of information is accurate and there's nothing to doubt the two, this could explain a lot.

It could well be that Greer is using the base of his religion in his proclamations, which would explain his change of tack from screaming for disclosure about physical aliens and their crafts that have been captured, to selling places on his ranch calling for spiritual based aliens to manifest themselves. This makes his information religious based, or, in other words, not based on solid fact.

Personally I'm a pounds, shillings and pence sort of bloke when it comes to people wanting to show me their information, as I reckon the vast majority are. Give me the smoking gun, or better still the bullet any time.

I think if Greer began to say, "Based on my religion I know that there are no malevolent aliens......" it would help everybody understand his message and way of thinking more.

Would that begin to make people turn away? Possibly. Does it put into check almost everything he has done in the past? Surely, as it seems that in spite of all the 'whistleblowers' at the Press Club and those whom he has interviewed, he is basically turning his back on them and basing his 'information' on his religious beliefs which, because of this, we can now only call 'opinion', 'creedance' or 'thesis'.

The vast majority of UFO'ers are looking for physical 'beings' or nationality from space. I'm not too sure they are looking for a religion, religion should be held apart, unless of course the conference is a religion based conference.

Best regards,

Steve

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

The following is from beliefnet.com regarding the Baha'i faith:

Belief in Deity

One personal God Almighty, creator, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent--incorporeal spirit.

Incarnations

The prophets of many religions, e.g. Jesus Christ, Moses, Muhammad, Buddha, are revered as Manifestations and Messengers of God, pre-existent spirits (with individual souls) sent to reveal God's message. Each of the Manifestations is considered equal in stature as the perfect reflection, the infallible word, and the divine spirit of God. Bah'u'llh was the latest but not final Messenger, bringing Gods revelation to the modern world, and is considered to be the fulfillment of the promised return of Christ. The Messengers are not worshipped as equal or identical to God but are considered an intermediate level of existence between human and God.

Origin of Universe and Life

God created all from nothing and controls all phenomena that modern science reveals about the origins of the universe and life. They support scientific study and education, as they believe science serves to reveal rather than dispute God's awesome creative powers.

After Death

Literal interpretations of resurrection, heaven, and hell are regarded as figments of imagination. Resurrection is the spiritual awakening that occurs upon the appearance of a new Manifestation. Heaven is the indescribable bliss of closeness to God, harmony with God's will as revealed by the Manifestations--eternal spiritual life. The closer one is to knowing and loving God, the greater the joy of paradise. Hell is the self-made torture of isolation from God--spiritual death. Unlimited spiritual growth toward perfection continues after death.

Why Evil?

No original sin or Satan. The human nature that God created is all good, including both animal and spiritual aspects. God also gave people free will, and some will choose to express their inherently good nature in imperfect ways. The concept of Satan in the scriptures is symbolic for humans' choice to express the lower or animal side of their nature in ways that separate them from God. Those farthest from God are most prone to wrongdoing.

Salvation

Salvation lies in the search for truth as revealed by the Manifestations of God--the achievement of spiritual perfection and closeness to God, deliverance from one's imperfection or base nature. This is achieved by faith in God and strict obedience to the commands of God; turning to the latest Manifestation of God, Bah'u'llh, for spiritual guidance; study of the scriptures of the Manifestations; required daily private prayer; meditation; active participation in service work (tantamount to worship). No sacraments, e.g., baptism.

Undeserved Suffering

All suffering, including that caused by natural disasters, are God's will as a punitive, educational, or remedial response to individual or to humanity's denial of God and disobedience to the Divine Commands. All of humanity suffer when one commits wrong, and all benefit when one does good. The best often suffer the most for humanity's misdeeds. Nonpunitive suffering is part of God's plan to challenge the soul with adversity. Suffering educates the sufferer and aids spiritual growth toward perfection. Suffering helps people to remember God in their grief. The suffering of innocents will be greatly rewarded in the world to come.

Contemporary Issues

Devoted to world unity--one world government and religion, peaceful conflict resolution (but opposes disobedience to one's government), gender equality and women's rights (which does not include promotion of abortion rights), anti-poverty, and anti-discrimination. Service to others is considered a form of worship. Discourages divorce but doesnt punish or condemn; disapproves of homosexuality.

micjer · 07-29-2009, 12:22 PM

I have been thinking a fair bit about this whole thing. My conclusion is whether he is a disinfo agent or not, it is info and I should be concentrating on the fact that the information is closer to being released.

That is both the free energy technology and ufo/alien existance. I agree that his testimony is tilted towards his religious faith.

He has been saying for years that he is just "6 months away" from full disclosure. Let's hope this time he is correct.

Just imagine the changes that would occur if a free energy device was invented and mass produced. This alone would put a large hole in the veil that the PTB have over humanity.

Jnana · 07-29-2009, 01:27 PM

Based on my experience with the man, a one week CSETI training, I would say he is a free agent, not a disinfo agent for some other organization. It seems that there is much that he knows that he doesn't talk about. He chooses his words carefully when speaking. Whatever he says seems to me to be backed up by extensive personal experience and is not simply a matter of religious faith. Whatever you do, don't underestimate this man.

Greer is actively introducing people to ETs in groups of 40 or so many times per year. This is a slow process, but it is a grass roots style of disclosure that results in many people in the world having undeniable personal knowledge of the ET presence. I'm one of them. I have ongoing contacts, I'm sharing this experience with others, and I'm still working on what it all means.

As for the existence of "negative" ETs, to the rest of the galaxy we might very well look like that to them. We are always fighting and killing each other, selfish, dishonest, etc., etc. Could there be other civilizations out there like us? I don't see why not. The question is, are they quarantined like us, do they have some role to play in the bigger scheme of things, or did they some how manage to become advanced enough to slug it out with the "good" ETs without destroying themselves first? All I can say is that I'm more concerned about negative earth humans than negative ETs.

Lorien · 07-29-2009, 02:23 PM

Wow, what a read this thread was.

As far as Greer or anyone else for that matter being a disinfo agent, I think there is one thin that a lot of people seem to forget on a regular basis, and that is this...

Everyone has their own OPINION and VIEWS of what reality is in the world. Just because they believe something different then you and I does not make them a disinfo agent under someones control set out to spread insidious things. He may very well believe that all ET's are friendly, he may not. Perhaps he does not want to scare those listening whom are not privy to this knowledge?

I for one think some of the "whistle blowers" presented on Camelot and other places are completely full of s**t. Does that make them a disinfo agent? No. They are just very passionate about something they believe in, or in some cases are just crazy

We must also look at the fact that what Greer has been doing all these years is trying to lead the charge in spreading the truth to THE GENERAL POPULATION. These same people can barely fathom the idea of aliens existing let alone evil reptilians running our planet or cities on the moon and mars. They would just gaff at such things and pass him off as another loon in need of a nice padded white room.

Unlike people such as ourselves who can handle such sci-fi suggestions, many people cannot. And so he must approach things in a more rational and slow pace. Perhaps he thought he was losing ground and decided to tone it down a notch to reconnect with the layman? Unfortunately non of us will ever know what goes through his head unless he tells us.

I think that we should not discount all that he has done for the truth movement over the past years because of a misunderstanding due to a language barrier. These are trying times for our civilization and if we all start attacking those who are doing good things at the slightest change in their demeanor we will be treading water forever and get nowhere.

Steve_A · 07-29-2009, 02:32 PM

Hi Lorien,

I tend to agree with you on several points. However, I need to add that if someone is stating an opinion, view or sharing an idea they need to declare that that is what it is.

If I declared there is life on Mars I would have to prove it, without a shred of doubt. If I said I beleived there was life on Mars, the onus is less on me, as I could quite easily refer to intangible 'evidence' which cannot be proven one way nor another as they are only beliefs.

People have the right to beleive what they think, of course they do, but they need to state that it is a belief and not a proven fact.

Best regards,

Steve

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Originally Posted by Lorien

Wow, what a read this thread was.

As far as Greer or anyone else for that matter being a disinfo agent, I think there is one thin that a lot of people seem to forget on a regular basis, and that is this...

Everyone has their own OPINION and VIEWS of what reality is in the world. Just because they believe something different then you and I does not make them a disinfo agent under someones control set out to spread insidious things. He may very well believe that all ET's are friendly, he may not. Perhaps he does not want to scare those listening whom are not privy to this knowledge?

I for one think some of the "whistle blowers" presented on Camelot and other places are completely full of s**t. Does that make them a disinfo agent? No. They are just very passionate about something they believe in, or in some cases are just crazy

We must also look at the fact that what Greer has been doing all these years is trying to lead the charge in spreading the truth to THE GENERAL POPULATION. These same people can barely fathom the idea of aliens existing let alone evil reptilians running our planet or cities on the moon and mars. They would just gaff at such things and pass him off as another loon in need of a nice padded white room.

Unlike people such as ourselves who can handle such sci-fi suggestions, many people cannot. And so he must approach things in a more rational and slow pace. Perhaps he thought he was losing ground and decided to tone it down a notch to reconnect with the layman? Unfortunately non of us will ever know what goes through his head unless he tells us.

I think that we should not discount all that he has done for the truth movement over the past years because of a misunderstanding due to a language barrier. These are trying times for our civilization and if we all start attacking those who are doing good things at the slightest change in their demeanor we will be treading water forever and get nowhere.

Lorien · 07-29-2009, 02:44 PM

I understand that Steve, but how many people that we base our beliefs upon have actually given us tangible, 100% verifiable proof of any claims made?
There are many out there, even on this forum, that believe things and will fight tooth and nail for it but have no proof whatsoever to back it up.

Stephens' opinion, which he believes is true, is based on facts and experiences that he himself has had, or by information that people he trusts or personally knows have provided. Again, whether it is true or not, who knows, but HE believes it to be true and we should not heckle him for it.

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Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi Lorien,

I tend to agree with you on several points. However, I need to add that if someone is stating an opinion, view or sharing an idea they need to declare that that is what it is.

If I declared there is life on Mars I would have to prove it, without a shred of doubt. If I said I beleived there was life on Mars, the onus is less on me, as I could quite easily refer to intangible 'evidence' which cannot be proven one way nor another as they are only beliefs.

People have the right to beleive what they think, of course they do, but they need to state that it is a belief and not a proven fact.

Best regards,

Steve

micjer · 07-29-2009, 03:43 PM

Great discussion everyone.

One thing is for sure I place him near the top of the whistleblowers out there. There a few that leave a bit to be desired.

Lorien you have a good point. There are so many people that don't even believe that there are aliens/et s out there, and here we are splitting hairs on Dr. Greer's testimony. LOL

Steve_A · 07-30-2009, 10:34 AM

Hi Lorien,

I can see your point about 'Stephen'. In the good old days people would hold up documents, would show photographic evidence, would cite names.

People like Alex Jones try to do this, although he has had a few embarrasing moments recently, there's a Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan who shows footage of what he claims are light orbs, Richard Hoagland is another that puts reasonable logical evidence out there, even John lear did this in the past.

Nowadays it appears that less 'evidence' is needed, just a nod and a wink and a quick endorsement..... or is that just me being more synical in my old age?

Best regards,

Steve

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Originally Posted by Lorien

I understand that Steve, but how many people that we base our beliefs upon have actually given us tangible, 100% verifiable proof of any claims made?
There are many out there, even on this forum, that believe things and will fight tooth and nail for it but have no proof whatsoever to back it up.

Stephens' opinion, which he believes is true, is based on facts and experiences that he himself has had, or by information that people he trusts or personally knows have provided. Again, whether it is true or not, who knows, but HE believes it to be true and we should not heckle him for it.

Luminari · 07-29-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorien

We must also look at the fact that what Greer has been doing all these years is trying to lead the charge in spreading the truth to THE GENERAL POPULATION. These same people can barely fathom the idea of aliens existing let alone evil reptilians running our planet or cities on the moon and mars. They would just gaff at such things and pass him off as another loon in need of a nice padded white room.
Unlike people such as ourselves who can handle such sci-fi suggestions, many people cannot. And so he must approach things in a more rational and slow pace.

So true.

orthodoxymoron · 07-29-2009, 08:17 PM

I believe in Aliens. I believe in God. I believe that God is an Alien. Siriusly.

Some of us are here...because we're not all there.

I'm not a lie'n.

orthodoxymoron · 07-30-2009, 07:14 AM

This forum is sort of a philosophical food(for thought)fight. There is no test of faith...so to speak. You can think and believe anything...and talk about it. This doesn't mean that everyone will pay attention...or that everyone will be supportive. This is a philosophical smorgasbord...and we all have to pick and choose. To each his own.

Steven Greer is doing a lot of good...but it is very important to listen to all sides...before arriving at any conclusions. Regarding the Baha'i faith...I sort of like them...but I would never join. Seals and Crofts were Baha'i. I'm looking for religion to transition from obedience and worship...to humanistic spirituality and enlightenment. We will probably always need churches and clergy...but not in their present form and role.

Politics and Religion are central to virtually all of the subjects discussed in this forum...whether we like it or not. But there is so much pain and baggage associated with Politics and Religion. That's why we're warned not to talk about it. People tend to become very emotional and opinionated.

A Disinfo Agent may still reveal critical pieces of the puzzle...but don't buy everything they say. I tend to think that a lot of prominent whistleblowers and researchers have insider approval, support, and protection. I don't see how they would otherwise be able to do what they do. There must be multiple insider factions struggling for power. It frightens me to think about this. The stakes are so high.

enemyofNWO · 07-30-2009, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

This forum is sort of a philosophical food(for thought)fight. There is no test of faith...so to speak. You can think and believe anything...and talk about it. This doesn't mean that everyone will pay attention...or that everyone will be supportive. This is a philosophical smorgasbord...and we all have to pick and choose. To each his own.

Steven Greer is doing a lot of good...but it is very important to listen to all sides...before arriving at any conclusions. Regarding the Baha'i faith...I sort of like them...but I would never join. Seals and Crofts were Baha'i. I'm looking for religion to transition from obedience and worship...to humanistic spirituality and enlightenment. We will probably always need churches and clergy...but not in their present form and role.

Politics and Religion are central to virtually all of the subjects discussed in this forum...whether we like it or not. But there is so much pain and baggage associated with Politics and Religion. That's why we're warned not to talk about it. People tend to become very emotional and opinionated.

A Disinfo Agent may still reveal critical pieces of the puzzle...but don't buy everything they say. I tend to think that a lot of prominent whistleblowers and researchers have insider approval, support, and protection. I don't see how they would otherwise be able to do what they do. There must be multiple insider factions struggling for power. It frightens me to think about this. The stakes are so high.

I agree with that . From what is happening now with a certain whistle blower tantrum , the last parargraf of the above quote really nails the problem . The stakes are so high that the PTB will stop at nothing to try to derail or control the flow of information from Camelot and Avalon . From what I heard personally and what I have seen (quoting from above ) " I tend to think that a lot of prominent whistleblowers and researchers have insider approval, support, and protection. " I would add
this small sentence to that "Provided they follow the script " .
So more than ever we have to be discerning in what to accept and what could be regarded as "iffi " .

pushedforfreedom · 08-05-2009, 06:24 PM

Out of all the information that we're flooded with, don't forget that we'll be experiencing another false flag event in the form of an "alien invasion". I think with the amount of testimony that we've received, and the amount of fear messages in the media about the subject, it's not hard to deduct the logic.

If I were in a position to create the seed information needed to pursuade the public to accept the "alien invasion" theory, I would need people to say that there are negative ETs out there... and I would need a lot of people to say it so that the brainwashing is most effective.

Keep in mind that we're always succeptable to disinformation and always trying to be led in a direction of confusion.

To me, if there are "negative ETs" out there, the only harm they can do is manipulate our free will - which the power influences have been effectively doing so far. They can't come down and round us all up because it goes against the law of allowance, and wouldn't be allowed to happen by the overwhelming number of "positive ETs" out there. But that point is assuming there are any negative ETs at all.

To me, it's more likely the case that in order for a species to evolve to the point of space travel faster than the speed of light, it takes a great deal of conscious evolution - and they must have evolved past the point of potential self destruction. It's more likely that we, on this planet, should be considering that the human race is more to blame than yet another external influence outside ourselves.

Remember. If you were trying to set up an alien invasion - what measures would you need to take, how many people would you need to lay claims, and what would they need to say in order for it to be accepted by the public.

micjer · 07-28-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by THEWATCHER

And you think those running the black ops/programs do NOT have the capabilities to create a cancer in someone troublesome? Or create an induced cardiac arrest? ROFL
Barry

Oh I believe 100% that they can do this. But can one prove that his friend died from natural cancer or induced?

micjer · 07-28-2009, 12:02 PM

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I'm not a fan of religion either (with the exception of Buddhist philosophy) but this is really silly saying that Baha'i is the OWO religion ('old world order' because world domination is nothing new). When Christianity (the Vatican) has been the true OWO dominator for over 1500 years. People are not going to trade in Jesus for Baha'u'lla or anyone else, just ask this guy:

Very valid argument.

I guess where I am going here is the connection to Project Blue Beam and the idea of Alien disclosure. If there appears a Messiah to "save" us and the recommendation that we all become members of the Baha'i faith, then we should be aware of the deception. Otherwise this is all for nothing.

Just turning over every stone. At this point it is hard to trust anyone that says they have all of the answers. No point getting our knickers in knot for having a discussion about whistleblowers.

Thanks for the info Luminari.

Luminari · 07-28-2009, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by micjer

I guess where I am going here is the connection to Project Blue Beam and the idea of Alien disclosure. If there appears a Messiah to "save" us and the recommendation that we all become members of the Baha'i faith, then we should be aware of the deception. Otherwise this is all for nothing.

Yes the Bluebeam Holographic inserts.. if/when the big day arrives I guess Baha'i's would see Baha'u'lla, Muslims will see Mohammed...

American's will probably get a holograph of Jesus on a cloud or riding a flying disc.

Crazy stuff but very real possibilities. At least we won't fall for it lets hope. I Wonder what they have in mind for the atheists? Thats probably where the fake UFO invasion might come in... to cover all bases.

Luminari · 07-28-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by burgundia

To me any organized religion is a cult and it serves a hidden purpose.

I wouldn't call Buddhism a cult with a hidden purpose.. Its not good to generalise Burgundia.

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Originally Posted by micjer

Beware of false prophets. I was a Dr Greer supporter. It was through him and the discovery project that helped me wake up.

However since the post and link to his Baha'i faith I have been doing some serious pondering on this whole thing.

First everyone should watch that you-tube vid posted earlier in this thread. If it is the NWO new religion, it sure puts a different twist to this novel we are reading.

Here is the Baha'i Lotus Temple of World Peace in New Delhi:

The religion was founded by this guy 200 years ago in Iran:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27u%27ll%C3%A1h
http://www.bahaullah.org/

I'm not a fan of religion either (with the exception of Buddhist philosophy) but this is really silly saying that Baha'i is the OWO religion ('old world order' because world domination is nothing new). When Christianity (the Vatican) has been the true OWO dominator for over 1500 years.

And all because alot of you are getting desperate to find some chink in Steven Greer's armour so you can paint him as some sort of bad guy. Witchhunt indeed.
It doesn't matter what religion Greer is, what side of the bed he sleeps on or what colour underwear he's wearing.

People are not going to trade in Jesus for Baha'u'lla or anyone else, just ask this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church

burgundia · 07-28-2009, 12:24 PM

[QUOTE=Luminari;156648]I wouldn't call Buddhism a cult with a hidden purpose.. Its not good to generalise Burgundia.

in that sentence I used the words "to me..." which gives me the right to make this generalization. i do not know much about Buddhism( frankly speaking almost nothing, and the same goes for many other religions) but i have a question "can we call Buddhism an organized religion? If so to what extent is it an organized religion?

THEWATCHER · 07-28-2009, 11:09 AM

No big deal, I thought everyone was aware that such conferences are monitored purely for security reasons, to check for breaches and temperature of data given at such venues. Its their job and in these days of heightened security due to possible terrorist activity perhaps its a good thing to have these 'spooks' attend. Honey traps, yes, interesting topic all on its own.

Reading much of the postings here at Avalon/Camelot I shake my head and sigh, many are not remotely ready for full disclosure. Too many smug little know-it-all types with little or no actual real experience with the subject sit and proclaim their views and theories as THE correct ones, based usually only on reading books, watching DVDs, listening to talkshows. Many of us are doing our best but to be perfectly frank a great deal of what we have to say is ignored or worse misinterpreted and misquoted. When we see that happening can you blame us if we turn around and say "sod it"......"you can't be bothered to listen why should I waste my time?"

Barry

07-28-2009, 08:05 PM	#2
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! I don't really want to be an insider...because I fear that this would involve taking orders...directly or indirectly...from malevolent beings...human and otherwise. I deeply respect those who have paid their dues on the inside...and who have divulged information to the general public...the act of which could get them incarcerated or murdered...or black-balled at the very least. Unfortunately...even the insiders contradict each other. What was it that Richard Hoagland said? 'The lie is different at every level'. Most of us are trying to learn forbidden knowledge from all available sources...including books, YouTube, Google, DVD's, Conventions, etc...and then brainstorm about what we have learned. Most of what we learn is probably pure unmitigated popycock...and most of our interpretations and understandings of the truth are fatally flawed. We have to speculate...because information continues to be suppressed...and we continue to be lied to. But we are doing the best we can. There are more than six billion humans...and who knows how many greys and reptilians...living on this miserable planet...and yet there are fewer than a thousand active members on this relatively high profile forum. I consider each and every one of them to be brave pioneers in a brave new universe. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 07-28-2009 at 08:12 PM.

07-28-2009, 11:03 PM	#4
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! I'm thinking mostly of the violent history of Earth...right up to the present...with rumors of future war and extermination. Earth has huge potential...and is very beautiful...yet misery is everywhere. By the way...that Baha'i Lotus Temple of World Peace in New Delhi looks really cool. It appears to have some of the same design ideas and construction as the Opera House in Sydney, Australia (and also St. Mary's Roman Catholic Cathedral in San Francisco). I'm a sucker for cool church, temple, and cathedral architecture...but I won't bow down and worship anyone! Sorry Lucifer. I like the idea of spiritual centers rather than houses of worship. Worship implies Unquestioning Submission. Submission implies Enslavement. Enslavement is the opposite of Freedom. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 07-29-2009 at 02:45 AM.

07-29-2009, 05:37 AM	#5
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! This XCon 2004 presentation by Philip Corso, Jr. is very interesting regarding what he says concerning Steven Greer and disclosure: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...57082051&hl=en Does anyone know if Corso gave Greer any documents...or if Greer began looking in different places for different reasons? Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 07-29-2009 at 06:48 AM.

07-29-2009, 06:41 AM	#6
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! The following is from beliefnet.com regarding the Baha'i faith: Belief in Deity One personal God Almighty, creator, omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent--incorporeal spirit. Incarnations The prophets of many religions, e.g. Jesus Christ, Moses, Muhammad, Buddha, are revered as Manifestations and Messengers of God, pre-existent spirits (with individual souls) sent to reveal God's message. Each of the Manifestations is considered equal in stature as the perfect reflection, the infallible word, and the divine spirit of God. Bah'u'llh was the latest but not final Messenger, bringing Gods revelation to the modern world, and is considered to be the fulfillment of the promised return of Christ. The Messengers are not worshipped as equal or identical to God but are considered an intermediate level of existence between human and God. Origin of Universe and Life God created all from nothing and controls all phenomena that modern science reveals about the origins of the universe and life. They support scientific study and education, as they believe science serves to reveal rather than dispute God's awesome creative powers. After Death Literal interpretations of resurrection, heaven, and hell are regarded as figments of imagination. Resurrection is the spiritual awakening that occurs upon the appearance of a new Manifestation. Heaven is the indescribable bliss of closeness to God, harmony with God's will as revealed by the Manifestations--eternal spiritual life. The closer one is to knowing and loving God, the greater the joy of paradise. Hell is the self-made torture of isolation from God--spiritual death. Unlimited spiritual growth toward perfection continues after death. Why Evil? No original sin or Satan. The human nature that God created is all good, including both animal and spiritual aspects. God also gave people free will, and some will choose to express their inherently good nature in imperfect ways. The concept of Satan in the scriptures is symbolic for humans' choice to express the lower or animal side of their nature in ways that separate them from God. Those farthest from God are most prone to wrongdoing. Salvation Salvation lies in the search for truth as revealed by the Manifestations of God--the achievement of spiritual perfection and closeness to God, deliverance from one's imperfection or base nature. This is achieved by faith in God and strict obedience to the commands of God; turning to the latest Manifestation of God, Bah'u'llh, for spiritual guidance; study of the scriptures of the Manifestations; required daily private prayer; meditation; active participation in service work (tantamount to worship). No sacraments, e.g., baptism. Undeserved Suffering All suffering, including that caused by natural disasters, are God's will as a punitive, educational, or remedial response to individual or to humanity's denial of God and disobedience to the Divine Commands. All of humanity suffer when one commits wrong, and all benefit when one does good. The best often suffer the most for humanity's misdeeds. Nonpunitive suffering is part of God's plan to challenge the soul with adversity. Suffering educates the sufferer and aids spiritual growth toward perfection. Suffering helps people to remember God in their grief. The suffering of innocents will be greatly rewarded in the world to come. Contemporary Issues Devoted to world unity--one world government and religion, peaceful conflict resolution (but opposes disobedience to one's government), gender equality and women's rights (which does not include promotion of abortion rights), anti-poverty, and anti-discrimination. Service to others is considered a form of worship. Discourages divorce but doesnt punish or condemn; disapproves of homosexuality.

07-29-2009, 12:22 PM	#8
micjer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ont. CANADA Posts: 1,043	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! I have been thinking a fair bit about this whole thing. My conclusion is whether he is a disinfo agent or not, it is info and I should be concentrating on the fact that the information is closer to being released. That is both the free energy technology and ufo/alien existance. I agree that his testimony is tilted towards his religious faith. He has been saying for years that he is just "6 months away" from full disclosure. Let's hope this time he is correct. Just imagine the changes that would occur if a free energy device was invented and mass produced. This alone would put a large hole in the veil that the PTB have over humanity.

07-29-2009, 01:27 PM	#9
Jnana Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 653	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! Based on my experience with the man, a one week CSETI training, I would say he is a free agent, not a disinfo agent for some other organization. It seems that there is much that he knows that he doesn't talk about. He chooses his words carefully when speaking. Whatever he says seems to me to be backed up by extensive personal experience and is not simply a matter of religious faith. Whatever you do, don't underestimate this man. Greer is actively introducing people to ETs in groups of 40 or so many times per year. This is a slow process, but it is a grass roots style of disclosure that results in many people in the world having undeniable personal knowledge of the ET presence. I'm one of them. I have ongoing contacts, I'm sharing this experience with others, and I'm still working on what it all means. As for the existence of "negative" ETs, to the rest of the galaxy we might very well look like that to them. We are always fighting and killing each other, selfish, dishonest, etc., etc. Could there be other civilizations out there like us? I don't see why not. The question is, are they quarantined like us, do they have some role to play in the bigger scheme of things, or did they some how manage to become advanced enough to slug it out with the "good" ETs without destroying themselves first? All I can say is that I'm more concerned about negative earth humans than negative ETs.

07-29-2009, 02:23 PM	#10
Lorien Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Beyond the rim.... Posts: 412	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! Wow, what a read this thread was. As far as Greer or anyone else for that matter being a disinfo agent, I think there is one thin that a lot of people seem to forget on a regular basis, and that is this... Everyone has their own OPINION and VIEWS of what reality is in the world. Just because they believe something different then you and I does not make them a disinfo agent under someones control set out to spread insidious things. He may very well believe that all ET's are friendly, he may not. Perhaps he does not want to scare those listening whom are not privy to this knowledge? I for one think some of the "whistle blowers" presented on Camelot and other places are completely full of s**t. Does that make them a disinfo agent? No. They are just very passionate about something they believe in, or in some cases are just crazy We must also look at the fact that what Greer has been doing all these years is trying to lead the charge in spreading the truth to THE GENERAL POPULATION. These same people can barely fathom the idea of aliens existing let alone evil reptilians running our planet or cities on the moon and mars. They would just gaff at such things and pass him off as another loon in need of a nice padded white room. Unlike people such as ourselves who can handle such sci-fi suggestions, many people cannot. And so he must approach things in a more rational and slow pace. Perhaps he thought he was losing ground and decided to tone it down a notch to reconnect with the layman? Unfortunately non of us will ever know what goes through his head unless he tells us. I think that we should not discount all that he has done for the truth movement over the past years because of a misunderstanding due to a language barrier. These are trying times for our civilization and if we all start attacking those who are doing good things at the slightest change in their demeanor we will be treading water forever and get nowhere.

07-29-2009, 03:43 PM	#13
micjer Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ont. CANADA Posts: 1,043	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! Great discussion everyone. One thing is for sure I place him near the top of the whistleblowers out there. There a few that leave a bit to be desired. Lorien you have a good point. There are so many people that don't even believe that there are aliens/et s out there, and here we are splitting hairs on Dr. Greer's testimony. LOL

07-29-2009, 08:17 PM	#16
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! I believe in Aliens. I believe in God. I believe that God is an Alien. Siriusly.Some of us are here...because we're not all there. I'm not a lie'n. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 07-29-2009 at 08:27 PM.

07-30-2009, 07:14 AM	#17
orthodoxymoron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lunar Base II Posts: 3,093	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! This forum is sort of a philosophical food(for thought)fight. There is no test of faith...so to speak. You can think and believe anything...and talk about it. This doesn't mean that everyone will pay attention...or that everyone will be supportive. This is a philosophical smorgasbord...and we all have to pick and choose. To each his own. Steven Greer is doing a lot of good...but it is very important to listen to all sides...before arriving at any conclusions. Regarding the Baha'i faith...I sort of like them...but I would never join. Seals and Crofts were Baha'i. I'm looking for religion to transition from obedience and worship...to humanistic spirituality and enlightenment. We will probably always need churches and clergy...but not in their present form and role. Politics and Religion are central to virtually all of the subjects discussed in this forum...whether we like it or not. But there is so much pain and baggage associated with Politics and Religion. That's why we're warned not to talk about it. People tend to become very emotional and opinionated. A Disinfo Agent may still reveal critical pieces of the puzzle...but don't buy everything they say. I tend to think that a lot of prominent whistleblowers and researchers have insider approval, support, and protection. I don't see how they would otherwise be able to do what they do. There must be multiple insider factions struggling for power. It frightens me to think about this. The stakes are so high.

08-05-2009, 06:24 PM	#19
pushedforfreedom Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 32	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! Out of all the information that we're flooded with, don't forget that we'll be experiencing another false flag event in the form of an "alien invasion". I think with the amount of testimony that we've received, and the amount of fear messages in the media about the subject, it's not hard to deduct the logic. If I were in a position to create the seed information needed to pursuade the public to accept the "alien invasion" theory, I would need people to say that there are negative ETs out there... and I would need a lot of people to say it so that the brainwashing is most effective. Keep in mind that we're always succeptable to disinformation and always trying to be led in a direction of confusion. To me, if there are "negative ETs" out there, the only harm they can do is manipulate our free will - which the power influences have been effectively doing so far. They can't come down and round us all up because it goes against the law of allowance, and wouldn't be allowed to happen by the overwhelming number of "positive ETs" out there. But that point is assuming there are any negative ETs at all. To me, it's more likely the case that in order for a species to evolve to the point of space travel faster than the speed of light, it takes a great deal of conscious evolution - and they must have evolved past the point of potential self destruction. It's more likely that we, on this planet, should be considering that the human race is more to blame than yet another external influence outside ourselves. Remember. If you were trying to set up an alien invasion - what measures would you need to take, how many people would you need to lay claims, and what would they need to say in order for it to be accepted by the public.

07-28-2009, 12:24 PM	#24
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! [QUOTE=Luminari;156648]I wouldn't call Buddhism a cult with a hidden purpose.. Its not good to generalise Burgundia. in that sentence I used the words "to me..." which gives me the right to make this generalization. i do not know much about Buddhism( frankly speaking almost nothing, and the same goes for many other religions) but i have a question "can we call Buddhism an organized religion? If so to what extent is it an organized religion?

07-28-2009, 11:09 AM	#25
THEWATCHER Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 1,234	Re: Dr. Steven Greer, Disinfo Agent? Details Please! No big deal, I thought everyone was aware that such conferences are monitored purely for security reasons, to check for breaches and temperature of data given at such venues. Its their job and in these days of heightened security due to possible terrorist activity perhaps its a good thing to have these 'spooks' attend. Honey traps, yes, interesting topic all on its own. Reading much of the postings here at Avalon/Camelot I shake my head and sigh, many are not remotely ready for full disclosure. Too many smug little know-it-all types with little or no actual real experience with the subject sit and proclaim their views and theories as THE correct ones, based usually only on reading books, watching DVDs, listening to talkshows. Many of us are doing our best but to be perfectly frank a great deal of what we have to say is ignored or worse misinterpreted and misquoted. When we see that happening can you blame us if we turn around and say "sod it"......"you can't be bothered to listen why should I waste my time?" Barry