Be careful not to be gullible.

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by Malletzky

Hey WS, as I said, if you would just take some time do some research, you would know that one of the best threads we've had here about Jesus was the one created by Egg (who is not here any more, I guess).

No one shouted at him, but we all had a big pleasure to contribute on that thread.

So I'm sorry when I hear you say things like you'll be not allowed to talk about Jesus here, it is not true...

Here's the link to that thread...you might want to read...

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ighlight=jesus

By the way, I'm more then willing to hear what you have to say about Jesus...if it's a firsthand expirience...in an apropriate manner...

with and respect
malletzky

It is true. Do you want me to go and get 50 examples?

Why doesn't anyone get my point? Is it on purpose? I am getting tired here.

I guess I can only reiterate what I have already said many times, but say it yet another way.

I am here to discuss matters of the world, my experiences, what I have come to understand, etc.. However, my only wish is to be able to do so without the first responses being:

"Oh a bible basher"

"You're in the wrong place if you want to preach"

etc etc..

All I ask is that what ever the thread was about, that the thread is allowed to continue, without people trying to turn it into a religious debate.

I am well aware of what is written on this forum. I am well aware of its history.

[WarriorServant]

While my being welcome here is being considered, all I wish to ask for now is that a rule be made where if someone mentions makes a thread, that people respond to the thread and not go completely off topic with accusations of being religious, or debates about the validity of the Bible. I am not asking much. It would be greatly beneficial for the forum.

[THE eXchanger]

well; truth is
that is, what it is
the truth

and, sometimes, people do carry the threads of truth
and, sometimes, they do NOT carry the threads of truth

so - my truth, may NOT be your truth - but, it may be the truth
just as,
your truth, maybe NOT be my truth - but, it may be the truth

a belief - is NOT always the real truth

it is always subject to change

even truth changes - in an instant

what was truth a second ago, might no longer be truth

got to separate facts/from fictions before adopting 'the truth'
for the real truth

truth always is, just truth

love/susan
the eXchanger

[DOMINIC 777]

DEAR OXYMORON,
Wisdom is needed in these difficult times......half a million people cannot all be wrong.........once your sound frequency rises by negateing your ego self , pride , vanity , arrogance selfishness etc......then you will realize that scurge of the human condition , which is that:ALL PEOPLE ON THE EARTH ARE SUFFERING...secondly it is "FEAR" which creates the negativism on the EARTH .You keep asking people to come to you for the truth.....the first discernment of a wise person IS TO KEEP AWAY fom a person with arrogant conceited thought patterns GIVE THEM A a wide birth.......so teach us something new and wise, as the battle is between SANITY and INSANITY

lol
DOMINIC

Originally Posted by WarriorServant

Then I suggest you go back and reanalyze what I wrote, because you've obviously misunderstood me.

The word was "nong".

I apologise for calling you nongs - but I was slightly frustrated that no one likes to be told that Satan actually exists and that he is affecting people all over the planet.

[Bill Ryan]

Originally Posted by WarriorServant

Hi Bill,

Sorry - I was just trying to get people's attention so that they listen.

Will you invite me to stay if I lose the theatrics?

Of course. The point about theatrics is that they interfere with the data content of your message. Beating someone over the head is not the best way to invite them to listen to a well-argued case.

You have some important points to make, but if you antagonize those debating with you then they're much less likely to hear you. It then just becomes a fight. That's not what Avalon is for and does not embody our ideals.

I'm now back to my own thread - I won't visit here again (sorry - no time, honestly)

Best wishes, Bill

[Shadowstalker]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Of course. The point about theatrics is that they interfere with the data content of your message. Beating someone over the head is not the best way to invite them to listen to a well-argued case.

You have some important points to make, but if you antagonize those debating with you then they're much less likely to hear you. It then just becomes a fight. That's not what Avalon is for and does not embody our ideals.

I'm now back to my own thread - I won't visit here again (sorry - no time, honestly)

Best wishes, Bill

I sat here for 2 hrs waiting to here his news on his story, experiences, and what not, and I am getting the feeling it will be a while before he finally says something, I agree with what most folks have said, he should have just told his story. I agree with bill also, he should have just, he should have just told the story, i probably would have listen, now i am just plain frustrated, and waiting upon this info.

The negativity and pushiness of the original poster and his responses just got me wondering, what makes his more important then anyone, if it is more important then he should have just said it..

All i want is the story, i could care less on where it came from, i will work with what I know in my spirit and nothing more, as will many others here.

I have my stories to but mine are written in books and poems..

I don't push my beliefs on anyone for any reason not even for the fate of the world, because we all have a say in it one way or another..

Namaste-Matte

Good to be back

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by Shadowstalker

I sat here for 2 hrs waiting to here his news on his story, experiences, and what not, and I am getting the feeling it will be a while before he finally says something, I agree with what most folks have said, he should have just told his story. I agree with bill also, he should have just, he should have just told the story, i probably would have listen, now i am just plain frustrated, and waiting upon this info.

The negativity and pushiness of the original poster and his responses just got me wondering, what makes his more important then anyone, if it is more important then he should have just said it..

All i want is the story, i could care less on where it came from, i will work with what I know in my spirit and nothing more, as will many others here.

I have my stories to but mine are written in books and poems..

I don't push my beliefs on anyone for any reason not even for the fate of the world, because we all have a say in it one way or another..

Namaste-Matte

Good to be back

I did't open this thread to tell any stories.

I opened this thread to express my concern about people peeing in each others pockets.

[Shadowstalker]

I will get to what I want to post, but this particular moment in time is not the moment where I wish to do it.

What ever it is your going to tell is all i am saying dude, nothing more nothing less..

Ok anybody want to contact me when he is ready, my door is open.

Namaste-Matte

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by Shadowstalker

I will get to what I want to post, but this particular moment in time is not the moment where I wish to do it.

What ever it is your going to tell is all i am saying dude, nothing more nothing less..

Ok anybody want to contact me when he is ready, my door is open.

Namaste-Matte

I believe this thread is the one you're after. "This" thread has been created because I see far to many people pandering to excitement.

I will get around to everything I want to say in due course. It's unfair of people to demand that I start typing out my life story at the snap of some fingers. I need time and quiet. At the time people were asking me to "start typing my story" (which this thread had nothing to do with anyway), I had been awake over 24 hours. I went to sleep, woke up, and started the above linked thread. I stated my position. I stated that the threads will come. I am only human. I can't work out what all the fuss is about. Give me time. I have a lot to say and I can't post it all in 2 hours. Additionally, I like to stick with ONE thread / subject at a time so that I can pay it proper attention. Just have patience.

P.S. Please don't go to the above thread to find something to complain about (as you did with this thread). I'm getting tired of people complaining all about me. I'm just trying to post what I have to say in peace, but some people just like whining -- and it's distracting.

[Shadowstalker]

Originally Posted by WarriorServant

I believe this thread is the one you're after. "This" thread has been created because I see far to many people pandering to excitement.

I will get around to everything I want to say in due course. It's unfair of people to demand that I start typing out my life story at the snap of some fingers. I need time and quiet. At the time people were asking me to "start typing my story" (which this thread had nothing to do with anyway), I had been awake over 24 hours. I went to sleep, woke up, and started the above linked thread. I stated my position. I stated that the threads will come. I am only human. I can't work out what all the fuss is about. Give me time. I have a lot to say and I can't post it all in 2 hours. Additionally, I like to stick with ONE thread / subject at a time so that I can pay it proper attention. Just have patience.

P.S. Please don't go to the above thread to find something to complain about (as you did with this thread). I'm getting tired of people complaining all about me. I'm just trying to post what I have to say in peace, but some people just like whining -- and it's distracting.

Dude its all good, take ur time, but when you make folks think you have something to say right away, you will get that type of reaction, i honestly don't care when you post. I just want to be contacted by anyone when you finally get to the straight up point, that's all i am concerned about, you could post it next yr for all i care.. And i post that quote because you said you didn't have a story, but in fact you do,(i wasn't complaining) plz don't take things out of context.

Anyone who has read any of my posts, knows I don't play games let alone push buttons let alone complain about much here, And I think with all the frustration everyone has been going through, I think your gonna get that kind of reaction.

To me it's all gravy,

Namaste-Matte

[Lionhawk]

Lionhawk put his rubber snow boots on with full rain gear.........Puts another log on the fire..........Covers everything up in plastic...............

Where does one start here? How about some basic things? We always seem to forget them just in general.

1st hand experience vs second hand experience

What is first hand experience for one, will be second hand experience for another when he/she hears about it.

The bible or any form of media one is exposed to is second hand material. Right off the bat. Everything that is posted in this forum or anywhere you are reading media off a screen is second hand. It is also speculative. So one is always being exposed to the form of believing.

Knowing is first hand and is based in experience.
Believing is second hand and is based in someone's experience outside of yourself. To believe is also to be gullible.

Now it is another thing to engage second hand experience by going out and proving it out into the first hand. All second hand information must be proved out to see if it is what it is in terms of value.

If Jesus was written about and you don't prove he is real, then I have to ask what right does anyone have to say anything about him? What gives you the right to speak for him in the second hand? I have asked this question several times here. No one answers that question maybe for the fear of what others might think. This isn't an issue about fear and less importantly about someone dealing out one of their ego cards. It's a simple question. Have you ever met Jesus? Have you ever met God of this Universe? If you haven't, then I have to ask is there a reason why you haven't? Because what I am asking is provable. God didn't write the bible. Not the real one. And the God termed as Jehovah is not the real God of this Universe. That is provable to.

The bottom line is that there is not just one path to God. For as many as the Creator has created, there are that many paths. If you BELIEVE in second hand information, you may as well brand the word "gullible" right on your forehead.

I think in general many want to believe because they have hope in their hearts. That's fine but be wise and seek validation as to what you choose to subscribe to. Make it first hand for yourself. Operate in a field of knowing instead of a field of believing. One has full integrity and the other does not.

Also many here in this forum have spent a good piece of their lives researching things out for themselves because they want to know and since maybe the circumstance is such that they don't know where to find or how to find those answers, they seek out others in hope that someone has had a similar experience that they have experienced. That's actually a good thing as they are in search for some inner truth, so that they don't look in the mirror and say, "I'm a nutcase," because this is something I haven't a clue about. Also some people here have put in much more time in this weird field more so than Steven Greer. But he had the resources to do something constructive in the way of getting the truth out. So I applaud that. We all should on some level. To say he is a liar to discredit him is the oldest card trick in the Darkside's handbook of cards. He has proof that UFOs exist. Validation!

So if you are a Warrior, you're going to have to show me something with some integrity, otherwise you are just creating delusions of what a true warrior is all about, and I can't just let that slide by. All I am hearing is frustration from your BELIEFS, and what you have stated so far isn't exactly the truth of my path. I have 49 years of experiences in this field of the unknown and the more I go the more I understand that I don't know jack or very little.

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few! This forum is like a garden and there are many caretakers of this garden of souls. We got some weeds to and all a weed is by definition is an undesirable flower, but maybe we can assist in finding a place for that weed to where it comes into it's own potential and blossoms in the way the Creator had intended.

Can I take my rain suit off? It's hot in here with this fire going?

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by Lionhawk

Lionhawk put his rubber snow boots on with full rain gear.........Puts another log on the fire..........Covers everything up in plastic...............

Where does one start here? How about some basic things? We always seem to forget them just in general.

1st hand experience vs second hand experience

What is first hand experience for one, will be second hand experience for another when he/she hears about it.

The bible or any form of media one is exposed to is second hand material. Right off the bat. Everything that is posted in this forum or anywhere you are reading media off a screen is second hand. It is also speculative. So one is always being exposed to the form of believing.

Knowing is first hand and is based in experience.
Believing is second hand and is based in someone's experience outside of yourself. To believe is also to be gullible.

Now it is another thing to engage second hand experience by going out and proving it out into the first hand. All second hand information must be proved out to see if it is what it is in terms of value.

If Jesus was written about and you don't prove he is real, then I have to ask what right does anyone have to say anything about him? What gives you the right to speak for him in the second hand? I have asked this question several times here. No one answers that question maybe for the fear of what others might think. This isn't an issue about fear and less importantly about someone dealing out one of their ego cards. It's a simple question. Have you ever met Jesus? Have you ever met God of this Universe? If you haven't, then I have to ask is there a reason why you haven't? Because what I am asking is provable. God didn't write the bible. Not the real one. And the God termed as Jehovah is not the real God of this Universe. That is provable to.

The bottom line is that there is not just one path to God. For as many as the Creator has created, there are that many paths. If you BELIEVE in second hand information, you may as well brand the word "gullible" right on your forehead.

I think in general many want to believe because they have hope in their hearts. That's fine but be wise and seek validation as to what you choose to subscribe to. Make it first hand for yourself. Operate in a field of knowing instead of a field of believing. One has full integrity and the other does not.

Also many here in this forum have spent a good piece of their lives researching things out for themselves because they want to know and since maybe the circumstance is such that they don't know where to find or how to find those answers, they seek out others in hope that someone has had a similar experience that they have experienced. That's actually a good thing as they are in search for some inner truth, so that they don't look in the mirror and say, "I'm a nutcase," because this is something I haven't a clue about. Also some people here have put in much more time in this weird field more so than Steven Greer. But he had the resources to do something constructive in the way of getting the truth out. So I applaud that. We all should on some level. To say he is a liar to discredit him is the oldest card trick in the Darkside's handbook of cards. He has proof that UFOs exist. Validation!

So if you are a Warrior, you're going to have to show me something with some integrity, otherwise you are just creating delusions of what a true warrior is all about, and I can't just let that slide by. All I am hearing is frustration from your BELIEFS, and what you have stated so far isn't exactly the truth of my path. I have 49 years of experiences in this field of the unknown and the more I go the more I understand that I don't know jack or very little.

The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few! This forum is like a garden and there are many caretakers of this garden of souls. We got some weeds to and all a weed is by definition is an undesirable flower, but maybe we can assist in finding a place for that weed to where it comes into it's own potential and blossoms in the way the Creator had intended.

Can I take my rain suit off? It's hot in here with this fire going?

I did not come here to make anyone believe what the Bible says. So this whole post is moot.

Firstly I am NOT CAPABLE of that. It's not POSSIBLE to MAKE someone believe something. Secondly, even if I were capable, I would not WANT to. The ONLY reference that I have made about the Bible here is that I "read it" and have gained much spiritual knowledge about it.

It seems that every time Jesus or God is mentioned, people TOTALLY miss the rest of the post, any other point and get STRAIGHT on the "we have to prove to this guy that we don't believe the Bible" bandwagon. Which is accompanied by a LOT of jest, sarcasm, mockery and laughter -- which is distracting.

What good is that? What's the whole point? I read the Bible. So what? Does that mean any information I may be able to share should be discarded, and instead, every thread I make should be taken to "whether God is real or not" court?

I did NOT come here to force anyone to believe anything in the Bible. It is not ME that has a hangup about the Bible. The whole problem here is that I can't get my experiences and knowledge out (AND I REFUSE TO DO SO) until people get over the fact that I read the Bible and declare Jesus is Lord.

That way, once we've got all that settled, I can become a part of the forum and hopefully everyone will just put their "Jesus" hangups aside for long enough for me to actually say something important. I am NOT about to begin saying ANYTHING of substance until that happens.

That is why I posted my BIG LONG post all about what happens when I mention God and Jesus on New Age forums. I know this isn't "intended" to be a New Age forum, but let me tell you - it IS one! ..and I know FULL well that I WILL NOT BE ALLOWED to say ANYTHING of ANY SUBSTANCE, because if I mention "Jesus", "God", "Satan", "Bible" the thread WILL take a spiral path to the circus of oblivion at that point.

I am MERELY trying to get it all done and settled so that we can all move on.


I would REALLY like a rule passed on this forum, where if someone mentions "Jesus" that the CONTEXT of the thread be noticed (AND ADHERED TO) and not the fact that Jesus was mentioned in it. ONLY THEN would I be able to finally make some useful posts, and I do NOT think such a rule is much to ask or any burden on the forum whatsoever.


For example, I don't go into "channeler" threads which are about "aliens and spacecraft" and then start whining about how channeling is will get someone POSSESSED. The ONLY time I will say that is 1). In my OWN thread, or 2). In context. I would NOT hijack their thread. I will let the person say what they're trying to say in peace, without trying to hijack it.

What I am saying is that this forum does NOT allow anyone to provide a greater picture, if "Jesus" is mentioned, because the FIRST response is usually some big rebuttal about religion, the crusades, or something about "bible thumping" or "preaching" and the SUBSTANCE and POINT of the thread is IGNORED!

[Lionhawk]

You wanted to get real so I got real. And in doing so you never really answered the questions that I asked. Instead you have projected what you think everyone is going to do to you. Or what they might say. Projection of victim hood and if you apply the laws of attraction to this, you should maybe consider that a hard head can be a great spiritual tool. I use mine all the time. Because that is what you have attracted to yourself. Like Bill said about the energy you are projecting out. Maybe you ought to look in that mirror and take your own advice and see what it is you're projecting out there. Controlled confusion tactics don't work very well here.

When you say everyone or everybody as in they think the same way, is a delusion. Reread your own posts or have someone read them back to you as you will see or feel that energy you are projecting. And I am also here to tell you that you will find others more advanced than you are and that you will also find that you are more advanced than others. I'm not saying we aren't made of the same stuff but we all have a variety of circumstances that have limited our experiences or enhanced them. If your experience is all that or your knowledge is all that, I have to question that because if it was you would have the balls to state it from a place of knowing and integrity, without all of your insecure statements.

You have made some good points as Bill gave you credit for as well as some others. But when you blame, accuse, and stereotype with simplistic judgments that are based in presumptions of yourself, then you are going to be told differently that this is not the case. A true warrior doesn't play this game that you are playing. It only insults other warriors. You must have a lot of knives and daggers in your auric field because all I see when I do a scan is a something a kin to a porcupine. Maybe you're better off having your own blog page. Sort it out for yourself as you are still here. Good luck with that!

We already have to many rules here. Do we want more?

Namaste'

[WarriorServant]

I am not interested at this moment in time about who said what to who and who's causing trouble and how to avoid it etc.

Again. I am well aware of the history of this forum. I am not new. My concerns are valid and justified.

Again, I ask this: That there be a rule put in place that if people make any posts that are {{{{NOT}}}} about religion (and mine rarely are), but if something that is "perceived" as being religious is stated to support what ever belief I have, that the thread is answered "directly", and in context, and that religious debates are not instigated, because it's distracting.

The MOMENT someone acknowledges what I am asking, I will fall off my chair and say: "Yes! Yes! Someone GETS ME!".

Anyone can reply that "I am allowed to talk about Jesus", but that's beside the whole point. I didn't COME here to make threads about Jesus. I didn't COME here to write about the Bible. I came here to participate in the forum with my views and understandings about the world.

If I make a post about what happened to me when I was "x" years old and that at some point it correlates with something I read in the Bible, I do NOT want the first response to be about how the Bible is just a storybook and that I should be reading about Buddha. All I want is for people to read my thread IN CONTEXT and reply IN CONTEXT, about the childhood experience.

Even if (for argument sake) there is NO HANGUP around here, towards peole who make Biblical references - there can then be NO harm on making a rule that threads are to be kept in context and that responses should never be made that IGNORE the thread and incite religious dissidence, because MY POSTS WILL CAUSE THOSE RESPONSES due to the nature of my knowledge and understanding.

I CANNOT post my serious and full views on this forum unless I am afforded fair and just accommodation. I am not saying anyone should agree with me. But I find it HIGHLY distracting that if I "mention" the Bible, a big speculation starts about "religion" and I have to start flapping my arms, telling people that I am not religious so that the thread can continue. Meanwhile 3 pages have passed and it has NOTHING to do with my original post.

What I am asking fro is fair and will be beneficial for the forum.

[Lionhawk]

Well what you can do is post a disclaimer in your posts like in the signature so that everyone will have something to fall back on when they have a difference of opinion. If you are that adamant about having a rule set up on the forum, all you are doing is making much more work for the Mods, and opening the door to more rules being added to a choking set already. Why not just take responsibility for your own postings instead of pushing that responsibility onto everyone else or the Mods. And if it isn't what you think "everybody" will do, then don't put it out there in the first place. Apply some consideration. I mean when I look at this thread all I see is that you want to project your beliefs and it's your highway or else. It's all about what you think and if anyone thinks differently, you want a rule set up. I think the best thing to do here is for me to detach from this thread as it only serves the needs of the few creating headaches for the many.

Someone said something about getting real. I concur!

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by Lionhawk

Well what you can do is post a disclaimer in your posts like in the signature so that everyone will have something to fall back on when they have a difference of opinion. If you are that adamant about having a rule set up on the forum, all you are doing is making much more work for the Mods, and opening the door to more rules being added to a choking set already. Why not just take responsibility for your own postings instead of pushing that responsibility onto everyone else or the Mods. And if it isn't what you think "everybody" will do, then don't put it out there in the first place. Apply some consideration. I mean when I look at this thread all I see is that you want to project your beliefs and it's your highway or else. It's all about what you think and if anyone thinks differently, you want a rule set up. I think the best thing to do here is for me to detach from this thread as it only serves the needs of the few creating headaches for the many.

Someone said something about getting real. I concur!

What I wish to do is convey what I perceive and believe about the world and reality. Isn't that what everyone is doing here? Isn't that the whole point of the forum?

There's no need to make what I am asking sound so difficult. In essence, what I am asking is that threads be kept on topic. This thread currently has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the original post.

I understand that a thread can branch and that new information comes up, etc.. but to purposefully derail a thread, just because it mentions something about the Bible, is unconstructive.

I think that I am going to have to go and get all the instances where religion has been injected into threads that were not about religion, merely because the readers perceived it as being religion and decided tat they would simply dismiss the whole thread and start moaning about how they don't want to be preached to.

A lort of my life experience is spiritual and the Bible plays a large role on both the way I view the world AND the experiences that I ahve had in life. I know that I will not be afforded the opportunity to participate in this forum is such a rule is not made.

All I ask is that I be free to post "honest", "sincere" and "thoughtful" posts without someone insisting that I wish to project and enforce my view onto everyone else. It causes problems. It derails topics. It serves no purpose. It's just a jab. It can be done away with.

I look at this thread all I see is that you want to project your beliefs and it's your highway or else

Unnecessary -- and close to what I am talking about. I could go and say that same thing in ANYONE'S thread. It would only derail it and start causing squabbles. I am posting my views. If people disagree I will NOT complain. I absolutely will not. I will simply respond and reiterate why I believe what I do. If I think the other person is wrong, I will of course state that. They are also free to state what they think about my statement. What I don't want is:

"Oh another Bible basher"

"hehehehehehehe"

"Yeah Maybe he wants us to go to church!"

"You are PATHETIC!"

"You're in the wrong place preacher!"

etc etc etc..

Basically, what I am asking for is more intelligent conversation and the structure in place to accommodate it.

What I am asking should go for ALL posts for ALL people with ALL views and ALL ideas - no matter WHERE they get them from, or WHY they believe it.

What I am asking for is a good general rule for everyone in all threads. It is not only one I ask for, but it is one that I have personally "adhered to myself" in my own conduct.

[Lionhawk]

I gave you a solution and others have offered as well. Then put something into action and stop groveling about it as I heard you already state this. I get what you're saying, but you don't seem to be listening either. Put it in your signature and while you're at it don't stretch it across like GOING TO FAST does so we don't have to do any unnecessary scrolling. Because then I am only to ignore what I consider a high maintenance issue and my time is more valuable.

Personally I see nothing wrong with using anything as a reference. I'm not religious either and have referenced the bible but I do not speak for Jesus Christ and it is just insulting when people speak as thou they are speaking for these Ascended Masters. That includes Budda and every other guru, especially when they have never met them. Talk about second hand over second hand. I also could care less what people believe because I am more interested in what you "KNOW," and not what you believe because your beliefs are not proven. Beliefs is what promotes the word Gullible. Isn't that what this thread is about? I know you won't answer this and I won't waste anymore time here in this thread but someone I know asked me to make an effort on your behalf. I tried. Let's see what you do with it.

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by BROOK

So guys...while he's gone...I want to invite you all to a satanic party at my place.....I'm inviting some reptilians too...should be loads of fun

Can I bring my higher self?

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by greybeard

That is it in a nut shell.
Jesus said much the same.


There is no where where God is not. The totality, all of it.
To my mind, respect all but be devoted only to God.

I suspect that if Jesus was here today he would be horrified that a religion was founded in his name. He pointed to God all of the time. It was all about God and the message Jesus brought to us. He dident say worship me. He showed the way. He did not claim specialness and in fact said that we could do more even than him.
He said " Of my self I do nothing it is the Father within who is the doer" not an exact quote perhaps.

Anyway that is just my view point I respect all others.

Chris

I agree with you entirely and 100%

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by WarriorServant

Plain and simple: Humans are about as gullible as you can imagine. Very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind. You know why? Because the majority of people are lazy and couldn't care less about anything that's not happening in their own little bubble. All people care about is feeling warm and fuzzy, and will WILLINGLY self delude themselves on a daily basis for the "fix".

I have not read this thread yet. I'm going to try to read the whole thread, if I can keep up with it...

I just wanted to go ahead and post that I agree with the above statement. And I think it is a big problem - especially people being in their own bubble - the rest of the world is of little interest to most.

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by WarriorServant

Plain and simple: Humans are about as gullible as you can imagine. Very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind. You know why? Because the majority of people are lazy and couldn't care less about anything that's not happening in their own little bubble. All people care about is feeling warm and fuzzy, and will WILLINGLY self delude themselves on a daily basis for the "fix".

So when something comes along that requires thought, "developed" intuition, rational thinking, educated decisions or discernment, most people immediately jump to "paranormal". Oh it's aliens, witches, ghosts, chupacabras, demons, Mary.. *deep breath*.. there's ALWAYS a paranormal explanation. It's "NEVER" explainable -- and that makes for a mass delusion/hoax to be ripe. Don't make me compile a list of proof for how gullible and simple minded people are, because I can -- and it will be 50 pages long.

Sadly, I think most people on this forum (and those in the "Disclosure" movement) are not only going to have the wool pulled over their eyes, but scores of people, all over the globe are about to reach a delusion of such massive proportion, that it's going to be the end of humanity as we know it.

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Warrior, I hadn’t read your post until tonight, and I haven’t read all the pages in between. I just wanted to say I agree with you in concept, “very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind”. I’ve been an analyst all my career, I have to do careful research and not draw immediate conclusions, and in my career line, I work with many who are the same.

I’ve studied this ‘disclosure’ movement for over a year now, I’ve watched many whistleblowers videos and done my own follow up research. My biggest piece of advice to anybody, would be, “be careful not to be too gullible”, which is the very title of your post. I also advise, use scientific research and methodology to sort the facts out from stories which get passed around like gossip.

I am often reminded of ‘chicken little’, who cried ‘the sky is falling, the sky is falling,’ and when running to tell the king, got a crowd to follow her to the foxes den.

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by KathyT

Warrior, I hadn’t read your post until tonight, and I haven’t read all the pages in between. I just wanted to say I agree with you in concept, “very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind”. I’ve been an analyst all my career, I have to do careful research and not draw immediate conclusions, and in my career line, I work with many who are the same.

I’ve studied this ‘disclosure’ movement for over a year now, I’ve watched many whistleblowers videos and done my own follow up research. My biggest piece of advice to anybody, would be, “be careful not to be too gullible”, which is the very title of your post. I also advise, use scientific research and methodology to sort the facts out from stories which get passed around like gossip.

I am often reminded of ‘chicken little’, who cried ‘the sky is falling, the sky is falling,’ and when running to tell the king, got a crowd to follow her to the foxes den.

Aaaaaah, "common sense". Music to my ears..

*Group hugs everyone*

Milky Bars are on me!

edit: For those that don't get the milky bars comment..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVR6bBT4KUg