Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

[LucidJia]

Hi, interesting thread here. Allot to process!

What would happen if a human left this vortex around earth?

Can you explain in brief and concise terms what is going to happen on 18th of Jan 2010?

Free Will is inviolable under all circumstances; yet on the ultimate level the 'Free Will' of the ''Superconscious Individuation of All That Is' becomes indistinguishable from the 'Free Will' of the 'Collective Oneness'.

... Can you expand on this?

Namaste, Jia.

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by LucidJia

Hi, interesting thread here. Allot to process!

What would happen if a human left this vortex around earth?

Can you explain in brief and concise terms what is going to happen on 18th of Jan 2010?

... Can you expand on this?

Namaste, Jia.

Hi LucidJia!

1. The Moon is within the Vortex, but of course so 385,000 kilometers from Earth.
Now what is the common experience of astronauts and the 'outer space' travellers?
They are 'in awe' when looking at the planet earth away from its surface in its entirety as a celestial orb.
Most, if not all return in having experienced a 'spiritual wakening' and transformation.

Any human leaving the Vortex could not help, but realise much of this data being shared here of being somehow connected to their innermost beingness or soul level.

2. January 18th defines a nexus point in the Mayan longcount of 5x13x144,000 kindays; also the encodement in the Pyramid of Giza at the 'great step' and also the prophecies of Daniel in the Torah; of the last and final fulfilment of the 'prophecies' in a particular timeline and given as archetypes in the times of Mesopotamia and following the Atlantean exodus to preserve the record of the wisdom keepers.

Abraxas

[TRANCOSO]

Originally Posted by hippihillbobbi

wonder where Abrax has wandered off to? has it been awhile? or are we just all talking so fast and saying so much that it only seems like a while

Abraxasinas crawled back
into his egg.

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

Abraxasinas crawled back into his egg.

in which case, someone else, has to 'crack' out of 'one'

WiLL iT BE YOU ???

MUCH of his mathematics/and, relations goes back to atlantis/lemuria, and, pan)

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Abraxasinas: I was hesitant to ask before, I admit an expectation that you may not be allowed to answer specifics like this:

1) Please comment on Ra and the "Law of One". It has been an important work for me and is a framework that helps me in my thinking and is a useful guide.

2) Similarly please comment on the work "The Cosmic Doctrine by Dion Fortune". I read this failed to understand it, but it changed me somehow - like a trigger.

3) The same question applies to the "Readings" given by/through David Wilcock (Ra) and made available in Audio format. They had a transformative effect on my consciousness. In addition to any general comment on this that you can make, I want to specifically know if the vibrational qualities of the sound conveyed anything different to the bare syntax and semantics of the words used.

4) One of the motivators for the Avalon part of the forum was the works produced by George Green - The Handbook for a New Paradigm. It would be great if you could comment on this work and its accuracy at this point in time, since it has been quite a few years since it was put onto print.

5) How many Ra fragments are incarnated on this planet at this current time

6) I have often wondered since reading the Law of One, if I might have any vibrational relationship with Ra, and I am inviting you to comment on this and the nature of it as you are able

7) I sometimes feel that I am not doing what I am supposed to be doing. What did I forget to do? Are you allowed to give me hints?

8) With reference to the "veil of forgetting" spoken of by Ra - is this is the cocoon/egg that helps the planet do all the hard lessons for the ongoing benefit of our brothers elsewhere that you spoke of earlier?

9) In respect of non-infringement of Freewill - are you bound by the same constraints as Ra when Ra was giving the Law Of One work ?

10) Why did you pick this forum?

I hope that isnt too many questions. I am very pleased you are here and open to Q&A - it is a nice thing to see on this forum.

Thankyou

May we all be blessed, guided and protected by the love and the light of the one infinite creator.

A..

Sure Anchor and a true anchor you are, a lighttower for the ships stuck in the fogs of the seas!

1. Ra and the Law of One is one of the best channels of the times past. Edgar Cayce is a wonderful ambassador of Thuban at the timespace he was engegd in.
Another very good channel, especially as forerunner for the now manifesting 'membrane physcis' is Jane Roberts/Seth (but because the 'science' is so pertinent, the spiritual data on history, especially the New Testament is almost 100% disinformation - why? because the polarity must be maintained UNTIL its maximisation allows triggering in inversion as minimisation - ergo unification in oneness}.

2. Dion Fortune and the Theosophists and then Steiner and Schauberger, Russell, Reich and then on to Sheldrake, Lovelock and Penrose; all are very valid exponents in the calibre of 'The Law of One'.

What they all do, is tap into the universal superpotent archetype of the holistic monad (scientifically espoused by Newton, Leibniz and Spinoza in the Infinitesimal, the Monad and the Essences) - and then attempt to translate the older 'often very convoluted language' (as say Blavatsky's and even earlier found in the Dead Sea Scrolls) into then more 'modern' terminologies.
So the criteria is simple; whenever you encounter holism, blending yin and yang and attempting to harmonise the 'light' and the 'dark', then the Quabbalistic Tree of Life and the 'Knowledge of Good and Evil' of the Mirror of the Kabbalah is becoming invoked and the 'highest guardians' are automatically invoked on the reader's quest to find the keys to truth, gnosis and wisdom.

3. I would fully support David's works on his 'psychic attunements' as this part of his work (not his physical singing or some of his superpositions and conclusions regarding his data base) is indeed the legacy of Edgar Cayce; who is seeking a physical presence in this realm for the time of the transformations.
Allow me to state clearly here; that David Wilcock's selfID with Ra is correct; but that you are as much Ra and the author of the Ra material as David is. This statement only appears to be selfcontradictory from the perception of the separated individuality and disappears say in invocation of the Jungian collective consciousness perception.
The longitudinal waves of sound as pressure-rarefaction changes require a medium for its propagation; whilst its transformed state of transverse electromagnetic waveforms do not. This then becomes the transmutation of sound energy into light frequencies using phenomena like the piezoelectric effect and on a higher level (of David) the multidimensional amanifestations of sound and light.

4. George Green's vision is that of a true 'seer' and he has filtered the 'truth' rather succinctly. As with all 'channels' from the disincarnate to the incarnate or the 'dead alive ones' to the 'living dead ones'; the data will and must be FILTERED through the perceptions and words of the 'seer'.
Then the difference between 'good' and 'bad' seers bnecomes how 'spotted' they are as the Mirrors for the transmitted data.
There was only One 'perfect' such mirror; perfected after a 'baptism', which allowed the human ego of a tripartite consciousness (waking-sub-siper) to transform into a unified superconsciousness. This then became a WARPTIME in the human history from December 24 AD to April 32 AD.
George Green's 'Mirror of the Soul' say; was 'in the footsteps' of that of the Galilean and so of a pristine quality.
I recommend him as a gnostic of the highest calibre in intent and principle.
Some of the detailed interpretations are, as always and necessarily, a reflection of the time of the transmission.
Finally the Council of Thuban in a sense extends the vision of George Green.


5. The incarnation is ongoing but will be 1 in 50,000 when the Gaian populus has reached 7.2 billion in 2013.

6. You are Ra, SHOULD you be able to modulate the frequency of that archetypical selfstate into harmonisation with your personal individuated frequencies of spaceawareness or consciousness. This process is none other than the Cosmic Christening - the eating of the Lion, instead of being eaten by the Lion (of Judah) {Revelation.5.5 and GospelofThomas#

(07) Jesus says:
(1) "Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.
(2) And cursed (anathema) is the person whom a lion will eat and the lion will become human."

7. You WERE not doing what you should have been doing, because you were searching for missing data.
Consider to watch a movie: Star Trek - The Motion Picture (the initial film).
There you will encounter the NATURE OF GOD and the 'Game of Life' and the present situation on the planet.

Once you have found the missing data, you will know, just as George Green says, that YOU have written the script, but then you have become lost inside the movie, not remembering that you have created it. Of course there is a purpose for your 'forgetfulness', namely a grand awakening and the rendering of the (Lonely) Oneness a Manyness.

8. Absolutely. The aliens are learning from Us and waiting for Us to remember enough to allow contact on many fronts. With Us here I mean, the bilocality of Gaia WITH Thuban for example and not local isolation and distinction.

9. FREE WILL is inviolatable by all dimensions, even the 12th cannot ever violate the 'Free Will' of ANY sentience.
The great confusion about 'Free Will' derives from the FACT, that God=Oneness=Unity=ONE FREE WILL... and ALL 'Free Wills' are part of God's Free Will. So whenever anyone realises its kinship and FAMILY with God; then the question becomes a non sequitur. God's Will is your will and there is no difference anymore.
But of course to reach this kind of selfawareness requires the unified consciousness and not the tripartite obscuring one; iow the human ego must evolve into a 'divine ego' of understanding there is one Father and one mother and this fathermother is YOU, both in disincarnate Oneness and in Incanate Manyness. This is the Brosisterhood of the New StarHumanity ready to become galactically engaged.

10. I've known about PC for a long time and have followed the developments. Especially I noticed the relative inability of the founders to make penetrating usage of the powerful information given by James of the Wingmakers and their relative ignorance about the true meaning of Unification. This thjen became plainly obvious in the Greer Interview and I reacted to this and decided to join this forum to:
1. Further the scientific aspects of the wingmakers data
(It is my position, that James of the wingmakers is waiting for the extension of his work and that his anonymity does not serve the higher agenda as he envisages)
2. To publish a quasi-public 'face' yet remaining in the shadow of the anonymity, which is solely for the purpose to NOT engage personality issues BUT simply share and provide free information for anyone able to 'digest' some of it.
3. To answer Q and A in my capacity to further expand and promulgate the 'Wisdom of the Ancients', who are Humanoid Dragons as its archetypical label.

Thanking you for asking and allowing me to answer.

Abrax

[akopij]

hi all, best regards and thanks for the instructive debate to the contenders

As you are dimension travelers I'd like to ask you about a certain place or group of entities I had met:
The counsil of AZKHAM

Well it's ok if it means nothing to you, just wanted to check it out.

You're all amazing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPIKFeaG53Y

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by akopij

hi all, best regards and thanks for the instructive debate to the contenders

As you are dimension travelers I'd like to ask you about a certain place or group of entities I had met:
The counsil of AZKHAM

Well it's ok if it means nothing to you, just wanted to check it out.

You're all amazing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPIKFeaG53Y

Hi akopij!
There is no contest here. The Thuban Wisdom has no requirement to compete with any other wisdom. It is sufficient onto itself but always welcomes its extension and growing in the blending with other forms of wisdom.
Everyone in physical embodiment automatically carries great wisdom.
It is very hard for a waveformed soul to find itself trapped in a physical body not yet hybridised into its lightbody - half material and half light.
Technically this is termed RestMassPhoton as a gauge Goldstone bosonic precursor of the Higgs Boson in much of the news regarding the particle accelerators at Genevea's CERN and Caltechs Fermilab.

The biochemical definitions and as built by the genetic codes are restricted in only partially functioning nucleotidal base pairings. So your biovital bodies anticipate a transformation into a 'lighted form' less vulnerable to external changes in the environment.

Ok the Azkham represent a powerful archetype, namely that of Charon the Skeletor Ferryman of Greek Mythology, who ships the 'dead souls' from the Land of the Living across the River Styx to Hades the Underworld.

I advice you to watch the Underworld 1-2-3 trilogy, as those movies somewhat describe your present soulstate.
You are only partially human akopij or better said you have chosen to carry a higher expression of the human DNA into this incarnation of this crucial time in the human historical timeline, than most of your fellow travellers.
You are of interest to the Noosphere of Gaia (Vernadsky and Teilhard de Chardin); as you carry genetic supertemplates, allowing you to mutate and antimutate from your psychophysical bodyform; which is more plasmic than the waking state for everyone.

Generally all you need to do when experiencing a lucid OBE or dreamstate is to identify yourself as the Ferryman of Styx. Then you will become the conductor of the experiments as your familiars will have to give tribute to interact with you.

Your key encoding so is: "I Am the Ferryman!".

Abraxasinas
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[bigmo]

Abraxasinas,

I feel you may have misinterpreted my last posting and I hope to clarify as I sensed a derogatory note to your comment. So I would like to try it again…

Having read all of yours and Stardustaqarions post it became immediately clear to me that I was in over my head.

In order to fully understand the foundational information, from which both of your postings originated, would require advanced degrees in cosmology, physics, mathematics and history. (you may even throw in philosophy and genetics as well) Assuming one had such degrees you could still argue, that trained experts in any field with the same educational backgrounds can and do disagree on the meanings of many things within their fields of expertise.

I found both yours and Stardustaqarions comments exciting, intriguing and curious. I was immediately drawn into your ‘friendly banter’ as I would be to an artistic contest. (a contest in which there is no winner only different forms of expression) If you took my term ‘banter’ to mean something other than this I apologize for the incorrect word usage.

Having said that, I still wonder how the average ‘earthling’ could even begin to hope to contemplate, much less grasp and understand the huge social, scientific, political and religious implications of the things that you speak of. Now you may say that ‘this is actually quite simplistic stuff’ and this maybe so (I would have no way of knowing if it is or isn’t).

Being one of those ‘average’ earthlings though I still wonder, if indeed this information you speak of is imminent in its dissemination, how ‘most people’ are ever going to come to terms with such huge paradigm shifts?

Generally shifts of these magnitudes occur in centuries if not longer do they not? I still wonder how people will accept such broad changes of understanding in such a short period of time. Will there be some sort of world wide soul ‘enlightenment’ that accompanies the release of this information?

If most cannot accept such far ranging ideas (which could seem likely) then what happens? I am… wondering.

Peace

PS I hope this is still ' on topic' enough for a reply

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by bigmo

In order to fully understand the foundational information, from which both of your postings originated, would require advanced degrees in cosmology, physics, mathematics and history. (you may even throw in philosophy and genetics as well)

....

Being one of those ‘average’ earthlings though I still wonder, if indeed this information you speak of is imminent in its dissemination, how ‘most people’ are ever going to come to terms with such huge paradigm shifts?

Bigmo,

These comments of yours interest me.

I think that there are other levels of conciousness that can be bought forth to comprehend the mysteries. If you go at this with your lower mind you are going to have a problem.

If you read complex material, meditate, read more, meditate - you will be surprised what happens. I know I was. I found the law of one complex at first, then over time it starts to make sense.

You can experience the shift in consciousness - it is amazing suddenly realising you understand something that seemed impossible before.

It seems to me most of our limitations are programmed in - for most people it turns out that we are more powerful and capable than we know or think.

A..

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Bigmo,

These comments of yours interest me.

I think that there are other levels of conciousness that can be bought forth to comprehend the mysteries. If you go at this with your lower mind you are going to have a problem.

If you read complex material, meditate, read more, mediate - you will be surprised what happens. I know I was. I found the law of one complex at first, then over time it starts to make sense.

You can experience the shift in conciousness - it is amazing suddenly realising you understand something that seemed impossible before.

It seems to me most of our limitations are programmed in - for most people it turns out that we are more powerful and capable than we know or think.

A..

Indeed bigmo, Anchor is repeating what I attempted to convey to you previously. You and anchor appreciate the balanced mentality, even if this mature mindedness thinks itself underinformed about particular semantics.
There is a big difference between Underinformation or lack of data and misinformation in whatever form.
Anchor has crystallized this difference.

Thank you anchor for your message to bigmo, he is a valuable asset.

Abrax

[Raven]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Indeed bigmo, Anchor is repeating what I attempted to convey to you previously. You and anchor appreciate the balanced mentality, even if this mature mindedness thinks itself underinformed about particular semantics.
There is a big difference between Underinformation or lack of data and misinformation in whatever form.
Anchor has crystallized this difference.

Thank you anchor for your message to bigmo, he is a valuable asset.

Abrax

I believe the best word here to discribe what it is you must do in order to understand this complex dialogue, is a word i fell in love with called "Grok".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok

hope this helps bigmo

Oh and hey Abrax, just out of curiosity, what vibes do you feel from me? You've peeked my interest. I am enjoying the depth of the story, but i must admit, you put my Groking skills to its ultimate. Dan Winter did this to me the first time i read him as well
Wink, Raven

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Raven

I believe the best word here to discribe what it is you must do in order to understand this complex dialogue, is a word i fell in love with called "Grok".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok

hope this helps bigmo

Oh and hey Abrax, just out of curiosity, what vibes do you feel from me? You've peeked my interest. I am enjoying the depth of the story, but i must admit, you put my Groking skills to its ultimate. Dan Winter did this to me the first time i read him as well
Wink, Raven

An excellent contribution Raven. Indeed the GROKING is directly from the handbook of the Dragons.
The Groking IT is the same as technically becoming quantum entangled as object of observation and the observer - Schroedinger's Cat is Groking IT.
I shall henceforth use this terminology when describing the Solution of the Schroedinger Cat paradox.
The solution in Ravenese is the Cat has Groked IT in its Groked selfstate of quantum entanglement and I am rather serious here.
Groked in specific terms then implies that the 'Cat' is NOT EITHER Alive or Dead, but is in fact BOTH Alive and Dead simultaneously.
So instead of describing the collapse of the wavefunction as Aliveness in particle/bodyform with the Deadness of the corresponding wave/mindform; One can saty the 'Cat' is Groked, because IF Dead as a waveform it MUST be Alive as a a Particleform and vice versa.

Then in either state of the 'Cat's' Grokedness the 'Cat' is always BOTH Alive and Dead relative to either the wavemind or the particle/body perspective or observer frame.

So to describe the solution to the Schroedinger quantum paradox one simply stes that the 'Cat' is Groked.

What 'vibes' do I get from you Raven. I receive rather particular vibes and those are rather strong.

Your incarnation addresses a very potent, yet most often overlooked archetype in the scroll of the Genesis.

After an archetypical and metaphorical calamity, called 'the flood' and after the archetypical evolution of the Adam archetype had assumed the characterisation of Noah; this archetype decided to extend its 'sphere of influence' and activity.
So in the 'Play of the Gods' YOU as Adam have become engaged to fill the character role of Noah.
So what is the first thing Noah does in the 'script' of the 'play'?

He extends himself in sending his first messenger the Black Raven to check out the scenario following the 'mental archetypical' calamity of the changing of the guarding symbols describing the encoded storylines.

So I know what you are up to Raven. You are the messenger of yourself, heralding and preparing the way for your glorious return into full remembrance about your origins, purpose and destinations.

And the 'frequency transmission' was so strong, because you are mentally ready and prepared to receive this information about yourself.
The Raven did not return to Noah as you may chechk out for yourself; but the Raven "went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth." {Genesis.8.7}.
So Raven you are the messenger of Noah, who acts INDEPENDENTLY from his own self.
You so represent a renegade part of your greater self, which does not require the permission of its 'greater more encompassing' self to do what is appropriate under the circumstances.
You might also perform the function of the 'Secret Agency' which like the Council of Thuban manouvers in the shadows until the time becomes appropriate to interact with Oneself again after a period of absenteeism or AWOLness.

There is a strong astrological influence 'in the air' for another two weeks until January 18th. Stationary Saturn in Libra is square Pluto in Capricorn with a quadruple joining of Sun, Venus and reverse Mercury in Capricorn. Added to this are the quadrantids meteor shower January 3rd and the solar eclipse of January 15th at New Moon in Capricorn.
The astrological significance of Capricorn-Cancer oppositions are always extremely unsettling for 'unbalanced' entities in either physical-, emotional- or mental bodies; because Capricorn archetypes the Father (Saturn) opposing the Mother (Full Moon) archetyped in Cancer.
So an inversion of the 'home energies' of Father in Capricorn with Mother in Cancer occurs on January 15th; when the Father and Mother exchange places in their celestial 'houses'.

For the metaphysically attuned however, this 'unsettling' also allows great harmonisation in quasi-unified exponents who are in full remembrance of their inner yin-yang unifications as mirrors or shadows of objectification and subjectification or as positive print and negative image in say photography.

Dan Winter's platonic solids are excellent, but he seems to get a little sidetracked when attempting to link the isocahs and the dodecahs to mainstrem science. I have had informants who told me they found some of my essays on his site, but going there I could not find it. I also shared some ideas with Dan in times past.

Abraxasinas

While pondering about your answers..another question came to mind...

I think this question has not been asked: how did everything come to be? How did God/Creator come to be?

Official explanation is a "big bang"...

thingA went "buuum"... What made thingA to go bang...and what made the thingB that made thingA to go bang...etc

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

While pondering about your answers..another question came to mind...

I think this question has not been asked: how did everything come to be? How did God/Creator come to be?

Official explanation is a "big bang"...

thingA went "buuum"... What made thingA to go bang...and what made the thingB that made thingA to go bang...etc

This question is the bugbear, not only for all of science, but also for all religion.


Yes Spregovori, this is a very good question. Here is my answer in less technical terms; followed by the technical terms:

Science 'stumbles' in material regression at the 'singularity', where the infinite meets and becomes the void and religion postulates supernatural precursors as somehow deriving from this 'natural emptiness or void'.
In the beginning there was no space or time, so how then can there be a beginning?

This beginning is like an uncut circle or loop, whose alpha-omega point remains undefined until the circle is cut (linearisation from circularisation technically).

But the concept of the possibility of the 'cutting' infers a logistic ordering of before (the cutting) and after the cutting. This is absolutely independent of space or time (which are connected by the lightpath X=cT anyway).

But even the visualisation and concept of a circle requires space and so the 'Circle of the Void' cannot be geometrically dimensional in the common usage of the terminology.

Rather the principle of the Order substitutes for Space and the antiprinciple of Disorder/Chaos substitutes for the Nonspace.

So now you have reduced the cosmogenesis to the precept of how the space emerges from the nonspace. The key is in what (can) exist before the order principle. It is expansion/contraction and so say addition/subtraction.

The Order evolves from the possibility of the duality of the plus/minus (in core archetypes, later becoming charges, yin/yang wave particle and so on).

Then is there something more fundamental then the Expansion/Contraction 'Aeon' or Cherubimic Kingdom or Principality?

Yes there is: Identity/Antiidentity - defining the + to be the antiID of the - and vice versa (again in core archetype).

So you have a preBigBang prespacertimematter cosmology resting on 1-2-3 as Identity-Expansion-Order.

[The actual cosmogenesis is a monadic archetype (o+o=8 say) bifurcating into the binary archetype dyad {0,1} in an algorithmic selfprogramming of sorts].

Next comes the 'Invention' of Time as a Counting-Parameter and physically the inverse time as FREQUENCY.

The story continues in technical detail, but can also become expressed in 'scriptural-mythological' metaphor.

Definition:

Forethought=Event A in Order as Before and Afterthought=Event B in Order as After Event A has occurred.

Event A is happening in the subplenum of the Void=Infinity and Event B becomes the MATERIALISATION (primarily via a physical cosmology based on the frequency parameter as inverse time) of the Event A.

Also note the highly significant passage in Genesis.2.5:
"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

Can you see here the solution to the chicken-egg or DNA-RNA paradox - in the Rooster's Egg preceding the Hen's?

So what happened to the Adam in Genesis.1.27?

This Man (presumed to be Adam) is not the same Adam and they are simply the archetypes for Man and Woman BEFORE there was any physical creation.
This is also the Pigeradamus in the gnostic literature, the Adam Kadmon of Kabbalah, the Purusha in the Vedas and the Vitruvian Man of western alchemy (Leonardo da Vinci).

This is the 'Lovechild' of 'The Invisible One' as the Forethought and of Barbelo as the Afterthought.

This is the Logos known as 'Christos' or the Word in John.1.1. AND it is also YOU as the afterthought expressing the forethought.

John Shadow


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[bigmo]

Thanks to all of you for your suggestions and replies and especially to you Abraxasinas for your contributions and explanations.

Peace

[Raven]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

An excellent contribution Raven. Indeed the GROKING is directly from the handbook of the Dragons. Handbook of the Dragons? Can you eludidate a bit on this... and thanks for the compliment

The Groking IT is the same as technically becoming quantum entangled as object of observation and the observer - Schroedinger's Cat is Groking IT.
Yes I agree, to understand all these metaphors and archetypes you have to "become" them.
I shall henceforth use this terminology when describing the Solution of the Schroedinger Cat paradox.
The solution in Ravenese is the Cat has Groked IT in its Groked selfstate of quantum entanglement and I am rather serious here.
Groked in specific terms then implies that the 'Cat' is NOT EITHER Alive or Dead, but is in fact BOTH Alive and Dead simultaneously.
Hence the void or the great dream?
So instead of describing the collapse of the wavefunction as Aliveness in particle/bodyform with the Deadness of the corresponding wave/mindform; One can saty the 'Cat' is Groked, because IF Dead as a waveform it MUST be Alive as a a Particleform and vice versa.

Then in either state of the 'Cat's' Grokedness the 'Cat' is always BOTH Alive and Dead relative to either the wavemind or the particle/body perspective or observer frame.

So to describe the solution to the Schroedinger quantum paradox one simply stes that the 'Cat' is Groked.

What 'vibes' do I get from you Raven. I receive rather particular vibes and those are rather strong.

Your incarnation addresses a very potent, yet most often overlooked archetype in the scroll of the Genesis.

After an archetypical and metaphorical calamity, called 'the flood' and after the archetypical evolution of the Adam archetype had assumed the characterisation of Noah; this archetype decided to extend its 'sphere of influence' and activity.
So in the 'Play of the Gods' YOU as Adam have become engaged to fill the character role of Noah.
So what is the first thing Noah does in the 'script' of the 'play'?

He extends himself in sending his first messenger the Black Raven to check out the scenario following the 'mental archetypical' calamity of the changing of the guarding symbols describing the encoded storylines.

So I know what you are up to Raven. You are the messenger of yourself, heralding and preparing the way for your glorious return into full remembrance about your origins, purpose and destinations.
Thank you, you are truely aware and i 'feel' your mirror is accurate.

And the 'frequency transmission' was so strong, because you are mentally ready and prepared to receive this information about yourself.
The Raven did not return to Noah as you may chechk out for yourself; but the Raven "went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth." {Genesis.8.7}.
So Raven you are the messenger of Noah, who acts INDEPENDENTLY from his own self.
You so represent a renegade part of your greater self, which does not require the permission of its 'greater more encompassing' self to do what is appropriate under the circumstances.
You might also perform the function of the 'Secret Agency' which like the Council of Thuban manouvers in the shadows until the time becomes appropriate to interact with Oneself again after a period of absenteeism or AWOLness.
Has been performed and is done, was allowed to go AWOL, or "LOWA" once again to observe the birth

There is a strong astrological influence 'in the air' for another two weeks until January 18th. Stationary Saturn in Libra is square Pluto in Capricorn with a quadruple joining of Sun, Venus and reverse Mercury in Capricorn. Added to this are the quadrantids meteor shower January 3rd and the solar eclipse of January 15th at New Moon in Capricorn.
The astrological significance of Capricorn-Cancer oppositions are always extremely unsettling for 'unbalanced' entities in either physical-, emotional- or mental bodies; because Capricorn archetypes the Father (Saturn) opposing the Mother (Full Moon) archetyped in Cancer.
So an inversion of the 'home energies' of Father in Capricorn with Mother in Cancer occurs on January 15th; when the Father and Mother exchange places in their celestial 'houses'.

For the metaphysically attuned however, this 'unsettling' also allows great harmonisation in quasi-unified exponents who are in full remembrance of their inner yin-yang unifications as mirrors or shadows of objectification and subjectification or as positive print and negative image in say photography.

Dan Winter's platonic solids are excellent, but he seems to get a little sidetracked when attempting to link the isocahs and the dodecahs to mainstrem science. I have had informants who told me they found some of my essays on his site, but going there I could not find it. I also shared some ideas with Dan in times past.
Yes at times Dan tends to plaigerize, but truely, being all ONE this is not his intention, i understand that.
Abraxasinas

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Raven

Originally Posted by abraxasinas
An excellent contribution Raven. Indeed the GROKING is directly from the handbook of the Dragons. Handbook of the Dragons? Can you eludidate a bit on this... and thanks for the compliment

It means that you have written LikeADragon.

The Groking IT is the same as technically becoming quantum entangled as object of observation and the observer - Schroedinger's Cat is Groking IT.
Yes I agree, to understand all these metaphors and archetypes you have to "become" them.

This is a potent realisation.

I shall henceforth use this terminology when describing the Solution of the Schroedinger Cat paradox.
The solution in Ravenese is the Cat has Groked IT in its Groked selfstate of quantum entanglement and I am rather serious here.
Groked in specific terms then implies that the 'Cat' is NOT EITHER Alive or Dead, but is in fact BOTH Alive and Dead simultaneously.
Hence the void or the great dream?

It's rather deep in terms of mathemartical logic. It does solve the Schroedinger Paradox.

So instead of describing the collapse of the wavefunction as Aliveness in particle/bodyform with the Deadness of the corresponding wave/mindform; One can saty the 'Cat' is Groked, because IF Dead as a waveform it MUST be Alive as a a Particleform and vice versa.

Then in either state of the 'Cat's' Grokedness the 'Cat' is always BOTH Alive and Dead relative to either the wavemind or the particle/body perspective or observer frame.

So to describe the solution to the Schroedinger quantum paradox one simply stes that the 'Cat' is Groked.

What 'vibes' do I get from you Raven. I receive rather particular vibes and those are rather strong.

Your incarnation addresses a very potent, yet most often overlooked archetype in the scroll of the Genesis.

After an archetypical and metaphorical calamity, called 'the flood' and after the archetypical evolution of the Adam archetype had assumed the characterisation of Noah; this archetype decided to extend its 'sphere of influence' and activity.
So in the 'Play of the Gods' YOU as Adam have become engaged to fill the character role of Noah.
So what is the first thing Noah does in the 'script' of the 'play'?

He extends himself in sending his first messenger the Black Raven to check out the scenario following the 'mental archetypical' calamity of the changing of the guarding symbols describing the encoded storylines.

So I know what you are up to Raven. You are the messenger of yourself, heralding and preparing the way for your glorious return into full remembrance about your origins, purpose and destinations.
Thank you, you are truely aware and i 'feel' your mirror is accurate.

I knew you'd like this. That is why I could say I got strong vibrations.

And the 'frequency transmission' was so strong, because you are mentally ready and prepared to receive this information about yourself.
The Raven did not return to Noah as you may chechk out for yourself; but the Raven "went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth." {Genesis.8.7}.
So Raven you are the messenger of Noah, who acts INDEPENDENTLY from his own self.
You so represent a renegade part of your greater self, which does not require the permission of its 'greater more encompassing' self to do what is appropriate under the circumstances.
You might also perform the function of the 'Secret Agency' which like the Council of Thuban manouvers in the shadows until the time becomes appropriate to interact with Oneself again after a period of absenteeism or AWOLness.
Has been performed and is done, was allowed to go AWOL, or "LOWA" once again to observe the birth

Very Good- Yes' observing one's own birth. You should read the Gospel of Thomas which IS the Handbook of the Dragons by the way. Then ask me the questions you may formulate after reading the 'Master's handbook'.
http://www.geocities.com/mwgrondin/5thGospl.htm

There is a strong astrological influence 'in the air' for another two weeks until January 18th. Stationary Saturn in Libra is square Pluto in Capricorn with a quadruple joining of Sun, Venus and reverse Mercury in Capricorn. Added to this are the quadrantids meteor shower January 3rd and the solar eclipse of January 15th at New Moon in Capricorn.
The astrological significance of Capricorn-Cancer oppositions are always extremely unsettling for 'unbalanced' entities in either physical-, emotional- or mental bodies; because Capricorn archetypes the Father (Saturn) opposing the Mother (Full Moon) archetyped in Cancer.
So an inversion of the 'home energies' of Father in Capricorn with Mother in Cancer occurs on January 15th; when the Father and Mother exchange places in their celestial 'houses'.

For the metaphysically attuned however, this 'unsettling' also allows great harmonisation in quasi-unified exponents who are in full remembrance of their inner yin-yang unifications as mirrors or shadows of objectification and subjectification or as positive print and negative image in say photography.

Dan Winter's platonic solids are excellent, but he seems to get a little sidetracked when attempting to link the isocahs and the dodecahs to mainstrem science. I have had informants who told me they found some of my essays on his site, but going there I could not find it. I also shared some ideas with Dan in times past.
Yes at times Dan tends to plaigerize, but truely, being all ONE this is not his intention, i understand that.

Yes indeed; he means so well and my comment was not meant to be derogatory, just observant.

Thanks for a spiritually very mature reply raven.

Abraxas

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Anchor

It seems to me most of our limitations are programmed in - for most people it turns out that we are more powerful and capable than we know or think.

A..

i guess i am not "most of us" ...i have tried and tried to understand this thread. my mind has never been good with numbers.

Though i do find some fascinating information ...i feel almost...stupid reading this stuff..

am i the only one?

no offense meant to anyone here..i am just trying to learn..

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Céline

i guess i am not "most of us" ...i have tried and tried to understand this thread. my mind has never been good with numbers.

Though i do find some fascinating information ...i feel almost...stupid reading this stuff..

am i the only one?

no offense meant to anyone here..i am just trying to learn..

For Celine!

The Parable of the Sandpit

Imagine yourself as father and mother with three-year old twins.
Both of your children, a boy and a girl are in a sandpit, where you watch them play.
You observe them experimenting and exploring their local environment - the sandpit.
The kids see the sand; they smell it, they listen to it and they try to eat the sand.
They fondle the sand and they feel it; they try to do all sorts of things to the sand, like sticking it in their hair and up their noses and into their ears.

When something like another child, even a twin, disturbs their endeavours, then they may start to throw the sand at each other; verbal utterances are supplemented by gestures meanings things like "It's mine!" or "I was here first, so just go away!"

This is the playground of very young children before school age and very well known to every
parent.

Now as father and mother, what would you expect as an answer from the kids to questions like: "Where did the sand come from kid?
Why do you think or behave like you owned it?"
If the kid could talk it would say: "It's just there! So I took it!"; and that would be it.

Would the child understand your knowledge and experience and logic?
Namely, that the sand came from a beach or a mine and ultimately from exploding stars called supernovae and so the universe?
And whatever made the supernova, made the universe and made the sand?

Father and Mother know very well that the sandpit was built for providing a learning experience for the children.
Then the father and mother might recall their own childhood and remember the times, when
they themselves had been playing in a sandpit.

Ah yes, there was Tom and Julie and Henry and Elizabeth.
And over there is Stephen and Rachel and Harold and Pamela.
They all had played and had ravelled in the sandpit.
Tom was now the chief research scientist working for the chemical manufacturer and multinational corporation Drug-U-Better & Co.
Julie had become a top PR-Executive of a transatlantic oil exporter.
Henry was employed as a chief banker for the worldwide Unibank.

Elizabeth was so pretty, she worked seven days a week as a supermodel of the catwalk.
Stephen had made his name as a world renowned mathematical physicist.
Rachel worked and part-owned a wholesale department store and thought soon to extend her
business interstate and overseas.
Harold owned and operated Trick-A-Cheapcar, a highly profitable used car yard and dealership; he considered it time to move into gold, real estate and the Vatican Bank.

Pamela made her daily run on the stockmarket; she was so good at it, that she had even given up her lucrative career as a lawyer over it....
And Dad and Mum are standing on the edge of the sandpit watching the children play in the
sand; but now the sand was made into different toys to play with.
There was paper and metals and plastics and other things.

The kids still chucked the sand around, but now they called it money and computers and rockets and things and cars and satellites and guns and things...
If all the kids are children of nature, the universe and if all the children are still growing up;
should they then not be destined to grow into entire universes themselves?

That is the logical conclusion in a development from baby to child to adult.
And Mum and Dad are standing on the edge of the sandpit, watching the children play in the
sand - they are always watching you and they are always loving you - their kid."

Abrax

[hippihillbobbi]

Abraxas--

Thanks for your commitment to this thread. i feel somewhat like Celine, i guess, in that sometimes i'm thinking what the f--k are they talking about?!? especially when you & [what's his/her name] were going back & forth earlier .... it was like ya'll were talking in code or a foreign language LOL!! but i've caught enough to have some questions, though it's taken me awhile to formulate them:

1) is part of what you're talking about the transcending of duality? /the death of the devil? / embracing our shadow (as a species)?

2) what is this about you being a vampyre ..... only not like the ones who only come out at night??? are there any other ways that you're different from them??? excuse my naivite, but i haven't read any anne rice or other pop-culture vampire novels, and so to me vampires still imply serious evil. what am i missing here?!?

thanks again, Abraxasinas, and all you other cool spirits on this thread ... ya'll rock!

hippihill

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by hippihillbobbi

Abraxas--

Thanks for your commitment to this thread. i feel somewhat like Celine, i guess, in that sometimes i'm thinking what the f--k are they talking about?!? especially when you & [what's his/her name] were going back & forth earlier .... it was like ya'll were talking in code or a foreign language LOL!! but i've caught enough to have some questions, though it's taken me awhile to formulate them:

1) is part of what you're talking about the transcending of duality? /the death of the devil? / embracing our shadow (as a species)?

2) what is this about you being a vampyre ..... only not like the ones who only come out at night??? are there any other ways that you're different from them??? excuse my naivite, but i haven't read any anne rice or other pop-culture vampire novels, and so to me vampires still imply serious evil. what am i missing here?!?

thanks again, Abraxasinas, and all you other cool spirits on this thread ... ya'll rock!

hippihill

Hi hippihillbobbi!

1. Yes, the DEVIL is LIVED backwards. The power of the 'darkness', the 'reptilian agendas', the 'EVIL is LIVE backwards; and so on are as powerful as the image of yourself in the mirror of your bathroom.
If you go into the bathroom, look into the miorror at your image and ask it to come out and attack you, what would you think would happen?

Your image is mimicking your words and stays where it is.
The falseness of images is all what the 'Devil' is, absolutely human selfcreated.
So when man abuses man and the environment, then it is man as the Devil image, which does the EVIL and not some antiGod.
You hiippibillbobbi are BOTH God and DOG GOD and DEVIL. Which part of the fairy story do you wish to play: Cinderella or the Evil Sister?
Knowledge about these things will set your mind free; marry heaven and hell (both states of mind and perceiving and not physical locations) and REDEEM the evil, past, present and future in this human world.

2. If someone calls me a werewolf then I am a werewolf as the mirror image of the one calling me a werewolf.
If someone calls you a elven queen than you become an elven queen relative to the miiror reflection of the one who has imagined you as such an eleven queen.

If one has nothing 'good' to say about someone; then one should hold one's tongue; because all things return to the one creating them - as a wisdom saying goes.

So should you believe in the 'great evil', then the 'great evil' will continue to haunt and persecute you.
What you resist, will persist as another wisdom saying goes.

Abrax

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by Céline

i guess i am not "most of us" ...i have tried and tried to understand this thread. my mind has never been good with numbers.

Though i do find some fascinating information ...i feel almost...stupid reading this stuff..

am i the only one?

no offense meant to anyone here..i am just trying to learn..

No Celine...you are not alone.

I'm a complicated guy but I'm a sci guy (scientific) and I would have to break each line down and research it.

Way too much material to do that.

I have a "gut" feel there is something important in here but it's over my humble head.

Is there a Cliff's notes version??

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Stargazer1965

No Celine...you are not alone.

Thank you, i need that

[Stardustaquarion]

Originally Posted by Stargazer1965

No Celine...you are not alone.

I'm a complicated guy but I'm a sci guy (scientific) and I would have to break each line down and research it.

Way too much material to do that.

I have a "gut" feel there is something important in here but it's over my humble head.

Is there a Cliff's notes version??

Yes there is a Cliff version at rense or youtube on 2012

The bottom line, to be fair, is:

This story started billions of years ago with the fall of part of our universe, that fall is mentioned in the Bible too as the fallen angels and the wars in the sky

Since then, the Matrix has been trying to heal herself by sending more specialized beings to it.

To make it short that was what the Amenti Rescue Mission was about but it failed in 2003 with the fall of the Halls of Amenti. Many other things have happened since.

The "virus" are the fallen angels because they cut themselves off from source and bent the light that sustain all living beings in order to have "immortal" life and have the authoritary ways, in exchange for eternal life provided they feed the ghostly facsimile bodies they created with their fibonacci physics

The "God worlds" are a realm of equality and free will, they obey certain rules but those rules foster the creation and expanssion of all beings and it is a paradigm opposite to the fallen angels one. Please follow this link for the attitudes and responsibilities of mastery http://www.azuritepress.com/techniqu...ibilities.html which are the foundations of life as free beings
The fallen angels live in a black hole, that is mentioned in the Bible too as the Abby's?, where they have no input of energy from source sooo....they have to take their light source from other living beings like us, Earth, etc

Whether they call themselves dragons or whatever they are different than the common man on the street because they have no real life but artificial life. No soul, no spirit

To top it all, around 10,000 years ago they took over this planet in what is called "the Luciferian revelion" Lucifer by the way is a collective not a being,
so they have installed all sorts of technologies to pull our galaxy through their black hole progressively in order to keep their artificial life going

Many efforts have been made by the Guardian Alliance to persuade them of accepting regenesis contracts but the history so far is that they have accepted and they broke them again and again. Things went so bad that we are experiencing now what it is call the "inhale" breath and the part of the creation that is still conected to source is being called back

This planet is going through a cycle called Stellar Activation Cycle, the last one that will happen here because the rescue mission has failed, in which stargates open etc

As a consequence, we are in evacuation of the whole of the Universe where the Milky Way is. That means that every person that is still connected to source has the opportunity to leave this matrix provided they agree with the Silver seed awakening contract of which there will be details in the summer

The Dragons and the Vampyre lady are the ones that are taking over cos the defeated other bands of fallen angelic that were here since Atlantis. They are going to "assimilate" whoever is left here, through their black hole technology and EAT the quantum of the whole of the universe progressively

Eventually their black hole system will collapse but is going to take a while, and they will return to source as space dust for nothing is lost as it all happens inside the Alll Oneness

While the Guardian Alliance have said that there will be no pole shift in 2012 it is possible that the beam of the quasar could hit Earth, if that happens, Cliff High scenario will come to pass with the exception of immediate pole shift, and living conditions here will be rather difficult

The pole shift may eventually happen too

Because of the way the invaders are manipulating the magnetics of the planet it will be difficult for people that do not prepare themselves from now to 2012 to do ascension (transfiguration and stargate slide passage). Buy saying that I understand that there will be those that will help transfer the soul and spirit of people that can not make it through stargate passage, provided they have agreed to silver seed contracts

Of course the fallen angelics do not want people to know this because they lose the quantum (head count) that they intend to "assimilate" and eat as energy no physically. What happens is that people will die in the cataclisms and their soul and spirit will be absorved as you see in the hubble telescope pictures
This is a extremely simplified account and I will urge all of you to do your own research and make up your mind as soon as you can, because not taking a stand means that it is likely that the choice will be made by the majority of sleeper peoples in this plane.

Additionally, living under the rule of the fallen angels will be a extreme NWO scenario, which is basically living like straight forward slaves.

I must add that there are no victims here. Human angelics and indigos alike chose to come here as a kind of doctors to this matrix and regretfully things did not happened in the way it was desired
The choice is yours while you still have it until the 31st of January 2013

Please read the summaries in A'sha website, links which have been posted here above, prior making the decission of which direction you may want to go for many will continue in oblivion and their choice will be made by their rulers. Let your decision be a wise and informed one

It is likely that there will be a progressive escalation in the planet and because of the magnetics the internet will be erratic so think about that

Also many are commenting here that they feel tired, that is the magnetics too
I can only speak for myself so I will say that I am doing my best to keep the grids even in my neck of the woods. I know others are doing the same and we will do our best to assist everyone that comes our way. You have to do your bit too

In eternal love

[Céline]

Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion

The bottom line, to be fair, is:


In eternal love

Thank you