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Old 12-15-2009, 07:09 PM   #51
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I suggest the in breath out breath has been mis-interpreted in our world to mean loss of individuality. I would suggest the in breath is really everything coming up higher and Being More in Oneness ~ meaning maintaining the I but the "I"s are expanding ~ For example, when Yogananda ascends, he does not disappear, you can connect with Yogananda right Now if you choose to do so ~ We are not here to disappear, we are here to earn our Divine individuality in the mind of God by surrendering the shadow self and Being reborn into the reality of who we are in Oneness with the infinite ~ not a static image, but the God Self that is always Being More ~ I will Be that I will Be.
The in breath out breath is a kriya yoga technique to enlightenment. We are all unique expressions of the one and retain our individuality even after liberation (or so I'm told).
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Old 12-15-2009, 07:34 PM   #52
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14 chakras I can see the logic and indeed the need for what you say, certainly I hope that this is so and you are right.

Difficulty is levels of awareness -- not yours and mine I hasten to add, we are in this earthly experience together.

Beyond our personal subjective knowledge there are sages who will say that
creation and disolution never happened its Indras dream ie we are part of a dream. In fact we are the dreamer.
There is only the One without a second.

The sages are in a timeless state.
Scientists are begining to assert that time does not exist.

Sages say that it is a dream, consciousness at play -- The Dance of Shiva.

There is no time for anything to have happened.
Time is a construct of the mind.

Ramesh Balsekar said.
God wrote the play
God produced the play
God directed the play
God is every actor in the play.

He also said "God is the totality all of it" as did Sai Baba.
Sai Baba on being asked if he was God said "Yes I am but so are you, the only diference is I know I am you dont yet"

In a way all this muddies the water.

It is our job to act as though the play is real and it is for us at the level we are at.

Im not saying I am right for I have no way of knowing this to be so but I do have faith in those who who are enlightened.

Ramana talked to people at the level they were at and out of compasion would not disalusion them but sugested the well know technique of keeping asking the question "Who am I? " so that at some point the truth would be revealed to them.

So it would not be helpful for most to hear that he said "The world you are trying to save dosent even exist"

All i can say with absolute certanty is that I exist.

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Old 12-15-2009, 10:50 PM   #53
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I would like to thank all who have contributed so far.
I have got a lot from the wisdom expressed here.

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Old 12-15-2009, 11:28 PM   #54
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We are not here to perform miracles but to let miracles happen through the heart we all share.

Thank you Greybeard for your thread.

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Old 12-16-2009, 01:36 AM   #55
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the One

could clap His right hand

and make everything Right


what would it take to fathom this
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Old 12-16-2009, 01:54 AM   #56
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the short-circuit of ego


surrender and service

service to Man and surrender to God

or

practise faith and patience


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Old 12-16-2009, 07:00 AM   #57
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We are not here to perform miracles but to let miracles happen through the heart we all share.

Thank you Greybeard for your thread.

Love from me
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Exactly so Mudra
Thanks
You are
Love and Kindness
in action.

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Old 12-16-2009, 07:14 AM   #58
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We truly are who we think we are. As long as we believe we are separated from the infinite, we are a no good sinner, etc. we will remain so. Solution: Affirm the Divine within you because it is who you and I AM.

The short-circuit of the human ego ~ (continuing with theme from 2 post up) ~

Stop pretending you're human and remember you are the Christ ~

Christhood Affirmations:

I AM the Way the Truth and the Life.

I AM the open door which no human can shut.

I AM the resurrection and the Life.

I AM the Light of the world.

I AM come that all might have Life and that they might have it more abundantly.

I and my Father are One.

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surrender and service

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or

practise faith and patience


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Old 12-16-2009, 09:41 AM   #59
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We truly are who we think we are. As long as we believe we are separated from the infinite, we are a no good sinner, etc. we will remain so. Solution: Affirm the Divine within you because it is who you and I AM.

The short-circuit of the human ego ~ (continuing with theme from 2 post up) ~

Stop pretending you're human and remember you are the Christ ~

Christhood Affirmations:

I AM the Way the Truth and the Life.

I AM the open door which no human can shut.

I AM the resurrection and the Life.

I AM the Light of the world.

I AM come that all might have Life and that they might have it more abundantly.

I and my Father are One.
Totaly agree.
Thats exactly what I am. No more no less.

What more can be said?


Be kind to all no matter what including your self.

See Chris thought of something else to say. "did he?" smiling


God within me greets God within you 14 Chakras
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Old 12-16-2009, 11:50 AM   #60
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This is a short poem by Hafice

"I am a hole in a flute
that the Christs breath is moving through
listen to this music"


That is as egoless as it gets.

Humility.

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Old 12-16-2009, 12:55 PM   #61
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Always willing to re-open
to bloom
more vulnerable, brighter and closer
to the edge
like a lily painting itself with vivid
strokes of presence
savoring the breath of its petaled limbs

The precious mercy of our Sunstar
to warm and illuminate
this heroic dream
we are housed in
and abide within
is the tenderness
our master serves to us
with much exactitude
and divine fire

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Old 12-16-2009, 12:59 PM   #62
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Where there is Love there is beauty .
What a beautifull thread my friends .
Keep that Light of yours shining .
It's glowing with Love.

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Old 12-16-2009, 01:16 PM   #63
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Where there is Love there is beauty .
What a beautifull thread my friends .
Keep that Light of yours shining .
It's glowing with Love.

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Thank you Mudra and all other contributors.
I feel quite emotional.
The tears are flowing.

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Old 12-16-2009, 01:22 PM   #64
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Thank you Chris for this wonderful thread.

Ego is fear. Fear is an instinct. Instincts are very tough to break out of, especially in the environment most of us live in.

Transcending the ego seems like a long way of for most (myself included). Being aware of the ego is lost to most. I have been working on my ego for a while now and it is a long process.

I think lucid dreaming is a great way to work on your ego. I experience no fear in this state whilst being fully conscious. I have learned allot since learning to lucid dream and think it has helped me realize that there is more to life than my body and my ego.

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Old 12-16-2009, 01:23 PM   #65
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The teacher is the same presence as the pupil,
there is only the One

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Old 12-16-2009, 03:21 PM   #66
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The short-circuit of the human ego ~ (continuing with theme from 2 post up) ~

Stop pretending you're human and remember you are the Christ ~

that is a way too

to convince oneself into the Christ


some obvious pitfalls here but one could make it


safer to hold the hand of a guide while walking in unknown territory

but then again the guide could be a loon


Really we are not what we think we are but might become what we think

such is the power of thoughts


Reality


strikes like a flash of lightning

as the escape of a butterfly


potential realized

mission accomplished


what happens there


where the three times meet

where the thinker and the thoughts are One

together with all the rest


a promise of joyous joy and peace serene
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:32 PM   #67
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that is a way too

to convince oneself into the Christ


some obvious pitfalls here but one could make it


safer to hold the hand of a guide while walking in unknown territory

but then again the guide could be a loon


Really we are not what we think we are but might become what we think

such is the power of thoughts


Reality


strikes like a flash of lightning

as the escape of a butterfly


potential realized

mission accomplished


what happens there


where the three times meet

where the thinker and the thoughts are One

together with all the rest


a promise of joyous joy and peace serene

Thanks for this.

If it is at all possible it is good to spend time with an enlightened sage.
The energy of their presence attaches to you auric field, called entrainment.
Called the Grace of the Guru
Obviously that is not possible for everyone to be in this presence. However there are books by them or carrying their words and of course there is u tube.

I can recomend books on Ramna Mharshi, Nasargadatta, Ramesh Balsekar all deceased.
With us still Eckhart Tolle and Dr David R Hawkins.

The Power of Now by Eckhart revolutionised my thinking. Hawkins work phenominal.

The energy of Jesus, Krishna, The Budahh is available through prayer.

Regards Chris
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:06 PM   #68
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The ego is never happy with what it has, there is allways somting it wants.
A good question is.
When I have the desired item, what then?
The answer is allways in some way " I will be happy"

Problem is this does not last and within a short time its " Whats next?" I got sush and such and it dident make me happy, least not for long.
Weddings are a clasic example, somtimes the girl/man of your dreams turns out to be a nightmare.

The moment there is an awareness of how ego works, its power over one begins to deminish.

Also the moment desire arises it can be surrendered to God. That dosent mean the desire wont be realised it just means if it materialised then there is non attachment so if it dosent matter all that much if is not long term in your life.
There is now a level of aceptance that there is a certain inpermenence in life.

The treasures of Heaven are permanent so to speak.
So what is the priority in life?
For me overcoming the world, being in it fully, but not of it.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:27 PM   #69
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You talk about disintegration, i talk about integration.

Dont treat the ego as if it wasnt part of what you are.

You demonize you ego, because it drives you towards desire of things that, if you dont achieve them, you suffer?, thatīs life, get over it, i think.

I dont see the need to build up a mentality of being above everything human just to feel happy human, positive, emotions, childish. Happiness is on the same level than every other feeling you can imagine to experience, they are all you, you are all them. You are human, not an elevated being above all of us, humans; dont make yourself so distant, we canīt touch you, then, so cold, we can even feel your heat.


You entire thread is about limiting yourself because, you are too much to yourself to handle. You are your own enemy, not the "ego".


It seems that you speak alone here, you keep talking about the same things i talked with you in the earlier posts, you only enjoy listening to yourself.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:29 PM   #70
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To Be in the matrix but not of the matrix, this is the mission ~


Quotes from above posters:

"Safer to hold the hand of a guide while walking in unknown territory"

"If it is at all possible it is good to spend time with an enlightened sage."

"The energy of Jesus, Krishna, The Budahh is available through prayer."


I completely agree that truly the ONLY way to make it all the Way is through the Guru student relationship, also called the Guru Chela relationship (chela means student). We see through a glass darkly here and to think we can do it on our own is... egotistical ~

However, the reality is that the greatest Guru's are not in embodiment, they are Ascended. They are the true Ascended Hosts, the Ascended Masters. You connect to them in your heart.

Remember in Star Wars when Luke when Obi One is helping him even after Obi One has Ascended? That is the true Way ~ you connect to your Guru in your heart.

My personal work is with the Ascended Hosts. I have various gurus that I connect with through the power of the spoken Word. I do not hear their voice like I hear the voice of someone here, but the still small voice in my heart gets louder and louder.

Even after you Ascend to much higher realms, even heaven, you maintain the Guru Student relationship, this is the Way, the hierarchy of infinity. All great teachers themselves have Gurus. All great masters, even Elohim have Gurus. A chain of hierarchy that goes all the Way back to the creator (and even the creator of these sphere of creations I believe has a Guru! that is at a higher level even than it all the Way back to the source of All of creation the original idea to create~ !)
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:31 PM   #71
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i think the matrix meme is just that, a meme, an excuse.

when you powerless creatures will rise up to regain your power?, your only enemy to defeat, is yourself.
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:33 PM   #72
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If it is at all possible it is good to spend time with an enlightened sage.
The energy of their presence attaches to you auric field, called entrainment.
Called the Grace of the Guru
Obviously that is not possible for everyone to be in this presence. However there are books by them or carrying their words and of course there is u tube.

to come into the proximity of a Column of Light

to even spot a spiritual beacon


is the result of good merits


the Saints act as they do

so to sit in the aura of Love and Peace


a Column of Light is priceless

It is the Light which brights all the worlds

so we can marvel at the mysteries
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Old 12-16-2009, 07:55 PM   #73
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The grace of the Guru is always with you if you are a disciple. But as you say greybeard to be in the presence of a liberated master is the best, as they subtly aid you in your spiritual development. Books and films are good too if you are spiritually sensitive.

I always have great feelings of peace when I see films about Buddhism. I also have felt great joy when viewing documentaries about Ramana Mahashi. It's as if these feelings come straight down from the ether.

I never watch horror films for the same reasons as they affect me deeply.

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Old 12-16-2009, 10:01 PM   #74
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Thank you Kria.
Yogananda also was one of my first loves.
His autobiography was somthing.
I have a photo of Babajai and also Ramana looking at me at this moment and of course Ramana is my avatar photo.

It was through studing the teachings of the spiritual genius that I came to know for myself that anything that I can see touch or hear or be aware of is not what I am. I am awareness itself. I am aware of my thoughts if they were me I could stop them, though my mind is virtually silent now.

The body is not me, at some point in time I will depart it.

Through the various spiritual teachings I am free to enjoy life to the full, restrictions to my happiness are gone, fear has gone.

While it appears I am talking about me I am really expressing gratitude to those who taught me, changed my life from a hopeless suicidal drunk to a happy out going lively person. Thats freedom.

With love and respect to all posters.
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To Be in the matrix but not of the matrix, this is the mission ~


Quotes from above posters:

"Safer to hold the hand of a guide while walking in unknown territory"

"If it is at all possible it is good to spend time with an enlightened sage."

"The energy of Jesus, Krishna, The Budahh is available through prayer."


I completely agree that truly the ONLY way to make it all the Way is through the Guru student relationship, also called the Guru Chela relationship (chela means student). We see through a glass darkly here and to think we can do it on our own is... egotistical ~

However, the reality is that the greatest Guru's are not in embodiment, they are Ascended. They are the true Ascended Hosts, the Ascended Masters. You connect to them in your heart.

Remember in Star Wars when Luke when Obi One is helping him even after Obi One has Ascended? That is the true Way ~ you connect to your Guru in your heart.

My personal work is with the Ascended Hosts. I have various gurus that I connect with through the power of the spoken Word. I do not hear their voice like I hear the voice of someone here, but the still small voice in my heart gets louder and louder.

Even after you Ascend to much higher realms, even heaven, you maintain the Guru Student relationship, this is the Way, the hierarchy of infinity. All great teachers themselves have Gurus. All great masters, even Elohim have Gurus. A chain of hierarchy that goes all the Way back to the creator (and even the creator of these sphere of creations I believe has a Guru! that is at a higher level even than it all the Way back to the source of All of creation the original idea to create~ !)
Dear 14 Chakras

Thank you very much for this it is much appreciated.
Yes its virtually never ending. Creation is infinite.

Enlightenment may be considered kindergarten.

Love Chris
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