Go Back   Old Project Avalon Forum (ARCHIVE) > Project Avalon Forum > Project Avalon > Spirituality

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-12-2010, 12:31 AM   #1
beren
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Belgrade,Serbia
Posts: 508
Default Being humble - a key to eternity

What it means to be humble?
What does that statement carries on itself`s energy?

Does that mean when you are humble that you are mere slave or a servant?
Or is it something completely different than many of us (including me ) think?

We are born into this world with a scream on our mouth. WHY WHY??...When we die we do scream again WHY WHY??
Somehow it all seems complicated. It`s like all odds are against us.From the day we are born to the day we die.

We have been taught from early on that we should never bow our head to anyone. Later on in schools and colleges we are taught that our country or club or family is the most important thing in life and that we should never bow to anyone beside them.

WE HAVE BEEN TAUGHT.

Do you notice that? We have been constantly taught something.
How many times any of us felt that we should act differently that we`ve been taught? How many times in our lives we diminished that inner voice who`s been telling us truth?

I know I did several times. I noticed that I always regretted it.

Now ,as we are living in times of revealing ,we face things that were unimaginable to our parents ,not to mention two generations before our parents.
Suddenly in a span of 70 years we faced huge changes in our environment, habits ,people ,views.
We finally grasp bigger picture . SO few did it in the past.

Bigger picture is that we, our mutual origin is not on this planet. We are born in heaven. Now as every single thing today is twisted ,so is a term heaven.

It simply means - Universe or a place in universe with ultimate beauty.
Our Creator made us according to his image ,whether we acknowledge that fact or not.

We rebelled and questioned creator and his will and right to impose rules and laws.
We did strive to be independent and that WE decide what is right or wrong.
We created evil spirit of mutiny ,deceit,accusation,greed and all evil and gave it humongous energy. We decided that we will going to do whatever we please .
And we were allowed to do so.

But as we did not created universal laws of truth , wisdom, light and love, nor we had power to create Universe ,all came back on us.
We sowed evil pride, lust,power thirst,destruction,death ...and we reaped its fruit.
That is visible on every corner on Earth and Universe.
Who knows how many galaxies and Creator deeds we polluted in our blind
rage.

But in his mercy ,Creator gave us a way out of this state of mind and actions.
He gave us a wild card.
His own son. The very first being that was created in Universe. The very one who was Creator`s master architect afterwards.
The very persona of Creator and true image of his being- Jesus Christ.

Now I know that many do not believe that. And I respect your view.
But for now swallow this statement and continue reading.

Beside many examples that Christ gave us , one that is particular here is being humble.

Please read this story and his example :
Gospel of John
chapter 13


1It was just before the Passover Feast. Jesus knew that the time had come for him to leave this world and go to the Father. Having loved his own who were in the world, he now showed them the full extent of his love.[a]

2The evening meal was being served, and the devil had already prompted Judas Iscariot, son of Simon, to betray Jesus. 3Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God; 4so he got up from the meal, took off his outer clothing, and wrapped a towel around his waist. 5After that, he poured water into a basin and began to wash his disciples' feet, drying them with the towel that was wrapped around him.

6He came to Simon Peter, who said to him, "Lord, are you going to wash my feet?"

7Jesus replied, "You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand."

8"No," said Peter, "you shall never wash my feet."
Jesus answered, "Unless I wash you, you have no part with me."

9"Then, Lord," Simon Peter replied, "not just my feet but my hands and my head as well!"

10Jesus answered, "A person who has had a bath needs only to wash his feet; his whole body is clean. And you are clean, though not every one of you." 11For he knew who was going to betray him, and that was why he said not every one was clean.

12When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. "Do you understand what I have done for you?" he asked them. 13"You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet. 15I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16I tell you the truth, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them.




Now ,I do not need to further explain above text.
I just ask any of you who will read that to read it without prejudice.
Christ essentially gave clear example that if he as Lord of Lords can do a servant job , who are we to be foolishly proud against any other people?

Never forget that a day comes when we will inherit the kingdom as Christ promised to people.
But before we can inherit that amazing thing, we must learn humility.
Creator will never ever give anything of such enormous value to stubborn and foolishly proud people.

And for the end of this long post, is being humble actually an obstacle to us?
I think no. Do that make you a servant or less important in universe? I think no.

If that important person was first to teach me by his acts of what is a real value in entire universe ,then who am I to oppose that attitude?

I am learning daily that being humble opens windows of amazing things, growth in every field of life. I learn that if I be the first to humble my self and admit that I do not have all answers and knowledge, then I will actually learn stuff that was locked and forbidden for many.

So- being humble , is it a key to eternity? Is it a key to a stars? Is it a key to all knowledge in universe? Is it a key to happiness ? Is it a key to meet Creator and be immersed in his love, light,wisdom and truth?

I think it is.
beren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 12:40 AM   #2
mudra
Avalon Spiritual Mother
 
mudra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: belgium
Posts: 4,919
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

How more humble can we be than Being here Now.
" Every moment is a gift aptly named the present "

Love Always
mudra
mudra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 01:47 AM   #3
greybeard
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Inverness Scotland
Posts: 924
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Thank you Beren for posting in full Christs words.
Humility works in this world and is very powerful.

Every person in recovery from any form of addiction who is on 12 step program will have seen in the steps of the program the need for humility the program is very explicit dependence on the drug or alcohol is removed by the humility to ask God for help which is always given. Millions are sober in the true sense of that word throough sincerely asking for help and following the steps then as a result of a spiritual awakening carry the message to still suffering alcoholics.
That is the love of God in action.
But we must sincerely ask with the knowledge that we are powerless over the addiction without the help of God.
You could say that addiction, the wanting more and more, is also an attribute of the ego, and only God can remove the ego.
We take 100 nsteps towards God and He will take a 1000 towards us.
As we have free will we must ask, God does not force or push.
Tremendous power in humility, it takes courage to surrender to the will of God,to align with His. When this is done we are free to be what we really are, moment by moment.

So loving God is very practical NOW in this world and ever more so true at this time

Thanks Beren
Chris
greybeard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 02:52 AM   #4
RedeZra
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 539
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

humbleness

honey makers


the hum of the selfless


the sting of innocence

is the death for a bee


such an endangered virtue

humbleness
RedeZra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 06:59 AM   #5
hippihillbobbi
Avalon Senior Member
 
hippihillbobbi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA
Posts: 120
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Hey ya'll--

This is a Beautiful thread!!! thanks SO much for starting it, Beren. such a lovely reminder of a back-to-basic, old fashioned simple-yet-profound Gospel Truth

your sister in the Eternal Logos,
hippihill
hippihillbobbi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 07:03 AM   #6
Humble Janitor
Avalon Senior Member
 
Humble Janitor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,201
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

To me, being humble has no religious origin. It's just to live life and treat people the way you'd want to be treated. To have respect for others that you know. To live by a code. Etc.
Humble Janitor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 07:42 AM   #7
aloha
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 41
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

and here is the good news :

humility cannot be learned

it's rather a question of un-learning

we are born humble

it's our birthright

we just have to re-member what we are
aloha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 08:30 AM   #8
beren
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Belgrade,Serbia
Posts: 508
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Quote:
Originally Posted by Humble Janitor View Post
To me, being humble has no religious origin. It's just to live life and treat people the way you'd want to be treated. To have respect for others that you know. To live by a code. Etc.
You are very right!
It has never been religious. It is that deep private feeling where you open up before the Maker.
beren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 09:58 AM   #9
beren
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Belgrade,Serbia
Posts: 508
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Quote:
Originally Posted by aloha View Post
and here is the good news :

humility cannot be learned

it's rather a question of un-learning

we are born humble

it's our birthright

we just have to re-member what we are

And in that process of remembrance we learn that everything we knew here on Earth was just a speck of what we are.
It takes humility to grasp all that .
beren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 11:23 AM   #10
beren
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Belgrade,Serbia
Posts: 508
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Quote:
Originally Posted by hippihillbobbi View Post
Hey ya'll--

This is a Beautiful thread!!! thanks SO much for starting it, Beren. such a lovely reminder of a back-to-basic, old fashioned simple-yet-profound Gospel Truth

your sister in the Eternal Logos,
hippihill

Hello dear !
I like your back-to-basics thing!

Reminds me of a part of the U2 song Mysterious ways, where you hear - If you wanna kiss the sky ,better learn how to kneel -

beren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 11:55 AM   #11
giovonni
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: within my heart
Posts: 1,209
Question Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

being humble to me simply means being open and in ah~ 'to all there is'
and loving thy neighbor as thyself.

for many of us quite a difficult lesson

Last edited by giovonni; 03-12-2010 at 11:59 AM.
giovonni is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 11:56 AM   #12
Frank Samuel
Project Avalon Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: i live in puerto rico
Posts: 643
Talking Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Within trillions upon trillions of stars we are but a speck of dust, yet we are part of the trillions of stars , worlds. dimensions and parallel universes. Because of the many unknowns we have to remain humble. The more I learned the less I know, for knowledge is infinite yet is simple as it connects you to the origin of all that is, past, present and future.In trying to find absolute truths we have committed many mistakes by condemning others in the process of our search for the so called truth. For me it is enough to know that the origin of all things is within each and everyone of us and because of this I am humble by the beauty of all that is and I ponder at the possibilities of all that could be.
Ah humility for it is in the knowing that I realize how little do I really know and how much I have yet to learn, perhaps a million lifetimes more, perhaps a trillion. May our journeys be full of love, compassion, forgiveness and joy, may it connect you to the origin of all things in ways we have yet to imagine.

Blessings to all ...
Frank Samuel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 01:10 PM   #13
beren
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Belgrade,Serbia
Posts: 508
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedeZra View Post

such an endangered virtue

humbleness

True, but without it we may never approach the light. It is also endangered because it threats the very survival of foolish pride and all that emerged from it.
beren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 01:19 PM   #14
annemirri
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 187
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Quote:
Originally Posted by beren View Post

being humble , is it a key to eternity?

Is it a key to a stars?

Is it a key to all knowledge in universe? Is it a key to happiness ?

Is it a key to meet Creator and be immersed in his love, light,wisdom and truth?
4 x NO !

there is nothing enlightening to be humble.

and it could even be HER love.

a.
annemirri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 01:23 PM   #15
beren
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Belgrade,Serbia
Posts: 508
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Quote:
Originally Posted by annemirri View Post
4 x NO !

there is nothing enlightening to be humble.

and it could even be HER love.

a.
I disagree.
But I would like to hear your opinion about that.
beren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 01:24 PM   #16
Céline
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,285
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Quote:
Originally Posted by annemirri View Post
4 x NO !

there is nothing enlightening to be humble.

and it could even be HER love.

a.

Wow...nothing?

I have learned a lot from humbling myself...even from Her.

I hope your path has such great teachers as well.
Céline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 01:46 PM   #17
greybeard
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Inverness Scotland
Posts: 924
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Quote:
Originally Posted by annemirri View Post
4 x NO !

there is nothing enlightening to be humble.

and it could even be HER love.

a.
Annemirri
can I refer you to my earlier post RE AA
Tell millions of recovering Alcholics that humility is not enlightening.
With respect
Chris
greybeard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 02:37 PM   #18
rosie
Avalon Senior Member
 
rosie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Southern Ontario
Posts: 94
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

hi beren, nice to see this thread, thank you!

By being humble, we do not expect, we do not force, we let be.

I would like to quote George Arliss, as this sums up my feelings on
being humble.

"Humility is the only true wisdom by which we prepare our minds for all the possible changes of life."

Sounds kind of fitting for today's world!
love & light
rosie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 02:50 PM   #19
mntruthseeker
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 2,482
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

Thank you Beren for the beautiful thread
mntruthseeker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 03:40 PM   #20
annemirri
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 187
Default learning

Quote:
Originally Posted by Céline View Post

I have learned a lot from humbling myself...even from Her.
It is different to be humble and "humbling oneself".

What have you learned ? could you share a little ?

a.
annemirri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 03:42 PM   #21
Céline
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,285
Default Re: learning

Quote:
Originally Posted by annemirri View Post
It is different to be humble and "humbling oneself".

What have you learned ? could you share a little ?

a.
Freedom can be found in submission.. sometimes.

Feeling humbled by the pure love of my grandson fills my heart with stregth
Céline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 03:45 PM   #22
annemirri
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 187
Default take responsible

Quote:
Originally Posted by greybeard View Post

Tell millions of recovering Alcholics that humility is not enlightening.
Why ? Why should I do that ?

I repeat myself here, humility is not the key to enlightenment,

it is MASTERING yourself, taking charge of your own life,
not "humbling yourself ".

a.
annemirri is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 03:46 PM   #23
Céline
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Canada
Posts: 1,285
Default Re: take responsible

Quote:
Originally Posted by annemirri View Post
Why ? Why should I do that ?

I repeat myself here, humility is not the key to enlightenment,

it is MASTERING yourself, taking charge of your own life,
not "humbling yourself ".

a.

Nice to see we have an expert in the house
Céline is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 04:03 PM   #24
Fredkc
Project Avalon Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Riverside, ca.
Posts: 898
Default Re: Being humble - a key to eternity

"It is amazing what can be accomplished when nobody cares about who gets the credit." - John Wooden
__________________
"Life IS mystical! It's just that we're used to it"

Evil cannot be killed. Only redeemed.

Chat us up at: Avalon Chat
Fredkc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-12-2010, 04:20 PM   #25
greybeard
Avalon Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Inverness Scotland
Posts: 924
Default Re: take responsible

Quote:
Originally Posted by annemirri View Post
Why ? Why should I do that ?

I repeat myself here, humility is not the key to enlightenment,

it is MASTERING yourself, taking charge of your own life,
not "humbling yourself ".

a.
You can have humility and still have self esteem.

Try stopping breathing and see who is master of your body at least.

Ch
greybeard is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Project Avalon