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I am leaving if Avalon is a Paid Subscription. 266 75.78%
I am not leaving. 85 24.22%
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Old 11-03-2008, 07:14 AM   #51
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Unsure whether I'd stay or leave. I'm so busy I only get here occasionally. That might make it not worth my while to pay.

I differ with a couple of posters here and agree with some others:
I think Paying might deter detractors and the fluff which wastes ones time; also Internet 3 rather than 2 is in the offing -- at least in Japan. It opens to the public next summer. But I still see a place for sites like this in Web 3.

I have no issue with paying for something. When everyone wants something for free I just see economic collapse in the world and from personal experience, unless it's a freebie which is a sprat to catch the proverbial mackerel, and that doesn't apply here.

I think the ideas/suggestions of merchandising and advertising are good ones if they are workable here. Virtually all IT free spaces/places are so because they gain money from advertising. It's been shown these adverts are very ineffective, though, so how long advertisers will remain on 2D pages remains to be seen. IMO they'll all move into the coming 3D IT virtual worlds (not to be confused with existing ones like 2nd Life etc).

Although Avalon has suggested $30 dues I don't see anyone discussing price. Everyone seems to either be accepting $30 or requesting not a cent. If the annual fee were $10 I'd stay as I wouldn't notice $10. More than that...I just don't know.

One poster mentioned newbies: good point. I think somehow a one week or month free trial should be set up if payment goes ahead. People should be able to see what they are getting into and whether they want to stay before they pay. So, instigate some IT version of a cooling off period, but mods would need to have some way of knowing people weren't just changing their sign in names each week or month.

Just my tuppence worth.
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Old 11-03-2008, 08:14 AM   #52
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Well I feel if Bill and Kerry can run away to Aussie and pay a couple hundred thousand to join the ark I think they can handle the cost of this site. Where do the people who have not the funds to run away HIDE...........If they want the world to know and wake up this will be free of charge if not I'm gone.
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:02 AM   #53
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whats wrong with a donation system ,them that can will and those who cant wont,
if ya pay the monie you've joined the club ...
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:18 AM   #54
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I haven't the foggiest idea what a forum like this costs to run but I do have an inkling of the cost of travelling the world to videotape interviews. So are those who won't pay to visit the forum, prepared to pay to see the videos instead?

In other words, user pays. The cost per individual would be nowhere near what it costs Bill and Kerry to travel and record the interviews which are very professionally done.

Some people spend money on alcohol, drugs and cigarettes. How many of those who do, won't pay to subscribe to this forum?

Please don't think I'm a moralist trying to show people the "right way." I'm just shining a light on what people consider to be an acceptable cost for them in their journey through life at this time. .
Hmm..a bottle of 2008 Rogue XS Imperial Stout or a paid subscription to Project Avalon/Project Camelot?

Both are worthy investments but I can't age the forum and drink it and come to think of it, I can't barter the forum if I need food and someone else needs booze.

Seriously, if the price to subscribe is reasonable, I could be persuaded.
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:23 AM   #55
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Thinking about this issue several questions have come to mind.

Firstly who pays for Bill and Kerrys trips to interview witnesses and whistleblowers, do they pay for this out of their own pockets? That is a considerable burdon if they do.

Do the whistleblowers contribute themselves to get Bill and Kerry to come and interview them...in which case they would have to be very careful that they did not generate a conflict of interest. i.e. a potential witness could hope to tap into the forums audience for their own interests. Some of these people may have books and other items to promote etc.

Thinking about this further I would be very happy if my contributions were used by Bill and Kerry for their expenses so that such a conflict would not arise.

Dutchie I think your comment highly uncharitable but perhaps the timing of this poll coinciding so closely with Bills intentions to relocate is perhaps unfortunate.
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:23 AM   #56
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I sure hope that the future of the Avalon doesn't become another" disclosure project"...I love Bill and Kerry for what they are and what they do. But I very much believe that information must be free to deliver. I just do not want to see this project become another one of those we've seen before...
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:28 AM   #57
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This is a tough one. Paying for it would probably keep the dis information out, but also potential new members. I would pay a sub, but not until the forum settles and "finds" itself. I feel that there are intentional dis informers, but this is due to the fact that most of the people in here are very aware and have pretty awesome info to share, if it was irellevant, then the wreckers wouldnt bother. I (like many) have been interested in an alternative way of life since I was a child, but man I've learned some amazing stuff in here, not least about myself. I thank you all
My personal opinion is a paid forum would encourage more dis information,as the PTB disinformationists have all the money they need,while the rest of us have not.
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:37 AM   #58
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Artycarl
Uncharitable? I think not

Midnightoil
With ya on that;this type of info needs to be free and yes I think they are pretty great for getting all this out and if they continue better for us all.
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Old 11-03-2008, 10:40 AM   #59
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...perhaps the timing of this poll coinciding so closely with Bills intentions to relocate is perhaps unfortunate.
I can assure everyone that this was pure coincidence.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:27 AM   #60
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When I logged on this am and read bill's post I was angry and full of fear.
Angry because it all boils down to yet again ;only the rich and elite who get to run and hide and have the best protection.
Fearful because where am I and my family to go, what are we to do when all these things happen? No extra funds no protection!

Yes projects camelot and avalon have awakend me and I thank them dearly for it but their just the stepping stones I needed nothing more.

So I take a few deep breaths and say to myself; we will survive with or without them . Will they continue without funding;perhaps, if not there are more stones out there folks.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:42 AM   #61
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I have no problem with a subscription if they need the money to continue the site. BUT...

THE SITE MUST REMAIN OPEN AND FREE TO ALL, WEATHER THEY PAID A DONATION OR NOT.

Otherwise a class system will devolop of "us" & "them." I have seen it happen before.

If any part of the site is closed off, I would leave.
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Old 11-03-2008, 11:47 AM   #62
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MAybe im wrong but i dont know of any other site on the net that has this quality of information. May i ask why thay are going to charge ? If you need a place to host the Avalon forum I would offer to host for Avalon's forums for FREE! In hopes to prevent a subscription charge. PM me if your interested. I agree that this information should be free to public !

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Old 11-03-2008, 11:58 AM   #63
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Hmmm, do I detect a few crops of sour grapes in some posts? Who, in their right frame of mind would expect by right, entry into an establishment that has, as I understand it, a price of some $48 million with more infrastructure to be built?

FACT 1. Like it or not we live in a capitalist world and it is populated by the haves and the have nots. Get used to it - most of us have had to.

FACT 2. You are going to die. It is inevitable. No argument.

So get on with enjoying the years left to you and try doing something meaningful instead of eating your heart out with envy.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:19 PM   #64
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How incredibly useful...a place to find and talk to people on similar quests for truth...

This site has been a blessing for me, but I cannot afford another single bill in my life.

I gave up my car and bought a bike...no gas bill, no insurance bill..yea!

I have tons of things in abundance to be grateful for in my life, money isn't one of them.

I'm sure there are those out there who are less fortunate that I.

If we can't afford to join, then we are cut-off.

hmmm...searching for the truth alone is a lot slower, this place is so great for sharing....it would be sad.

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Old 11-03-2008, 01:43 PM   #65
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I will leave if Avalon doesn't become a paid service.

In fact, I already did.

The poll suggests that 81% of the respondents have no business
posting at Avalon, as proven by the porn tantrum thrown by
excalitber last week. Just because I left, doesn't mean I wasn't lurking.

Some suggestions for the administrations discussion

-If technically viable, Avalon remains available for all comers on a read
only basis. This way no one is denied critical information.

- paid subscribers are held to a higher standard leaving the food fight of the open forum and entering a classroom/library environment. Serious participants only. I left when I was attacked
personally for voicing my opinion. Attacking the individual rather than
the argument is inappropriate. I can find this behavior at any roadhouse bar. Mods, please see my reputation counter for documentation.

That is my opinion. You are welcome to attack it. Attacks directed at me personally will not be tolerated.
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Old 11-03-2008, 01:57 PM   #66
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I will leave if Avalon doesn't become a paid service.

In fact, I already did.

The poll suggests that 81% of the respondents have no business
posting at Avalon, as proven by the porn tantrum thrown by
excalitber last week. Just because I left, doesn't mean I wasn't lurking.

Some suggestions for the administrations discussion

-If technically viable, Avalon remains available for all comers on a read
only basis. This way no one is denied critical information.

- paid subscribers are held to a higher standard leaving the food fight of the open forum and entering a classroom/library environment. Serious participants only. I left when I was attacked
personally for voicing my opinion. Attacking the individual rather than
the argument is inappropriate. I can find this behavior at any roadhouse bar. Mods, please see my reputation counter for documentation.

That is my opinion. You are welcome to attack it. Attacks directed at me personally will not be tolerated.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:00 PM   #67
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Sounds like D.C. ...if you can't pay, you don't have a voice.

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Old 11-03-2008, 02:10 PM   #68
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yes... (bags packed ready)
all info is available out there -

if a subscription based forum it runs the danger of becoming a kind of exclusive cult
not for me
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:11 PM   #69
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Sounds like D.C. ...if you can't pay, you don't have a voice.

You do have a voice if you vote. So maybe it would be possible to have voting polls free to the public.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:18 PM   #70
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I edited my post.

Last edited by gordon; 11-04-2008 at 05:07 AM.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:26 PM   #71
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Yes, i would leave if this forum was only open for paid subscribers.
Also it would be a turnoff for new people who had something to offer of new information. I think the forum would loose many information sources, and
from that the forum itself would loose its attraction to people.
They would go to ATS or some other place instead to post new stuff, or to just read up on whats happening out there.

Paid subscription is a wrong path to go down into!
You would basically shoot yourself in the foot, it would not served Project Avalon/Camelot or the people on it. It would be a loose/loose situation for all.

Keep up the good work!
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:27 PM   #72
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Do you feel that a vote of yay or nay or even multiple choice is an adequate expression of 'voice'?

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Old 11-03-2008, 02:32 PM   #73
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Bill and Kerry are going to wake up today, check out the forum and find that 80% of people would leave rather than pay a subscription and in another poll find out that 65% think the forum only satisfactory or worse.

They might be thinking 'why do we bother'.

I hope they don't take it as a personal slight against their hard work.
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Old 11-03-2008, 02:33 PM   #74
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I edited my post.

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Old 11-03-2008, 02:35 PM   #75
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yes, i will have to leave, sorry
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