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Old 02-17-2010, 11:14 PM   #51
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Seashore,

It is my position that the voice is an incredible tool. Experts in its use in various modes can gain complete control over people. Like any tool it can be abused. NLP is one mode, but there are others.

Let's take a slightly less pejorative example: singing.

Lisa Gerrard is one of my favourites. She sings with the voice of an angel. When she sings her glossolalia she brings an energy that can make me cry like a baby if I am open to allowing myself to be carried that way.

I have noted that when I am speaking (or for that matter even writting) about something emotionaly resonant for me it can make my throat choke up and has made me get emotional on several occasions (of they eye-leaking kind!). For example this happened once when I was describing a healing event at a meeting of fellow avalonians in Sydney - one minute I am describing a healing I was involved in carrying out on a sick animal, the next the amazing and burst of joy I had at the discovery that it had worked - and this triggered the leaky emotional response I felt at that time all over again. I wish to be able to speak to these subject unimpeded by this emotional response (since it gets in the way and stops me dead in my tracks) and I find it most inconvenient and a little embarrassing.

Recently I discovered that being affected that way is OPTIONAL - as soon as you see yourself being carried along like this you can exercise the OPTION to shut it down and remain in control - it takes practise. I am practising even as I wrote the above.

Anyway the point is that I think the sound produced by the voice is uniquely overlaid by additional energies associated with the mental intent that was used to invoke those sounds and words - therefore it is not just 3D sound - it is a spiritual energy. These energies have the extraordinary power and can reach the hearts of our fellow humankind if used well.

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Old 02-17-2010, 11:35 PM   #52
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Seashore N.L.P.
is very broad based.
In the beginning the originators looked at all the therapists that were ultra successful to see if it was just them or could it be learned and taught. They found that yes the technique could be learned and taught,

When I was practicing I cured people of phobias and all kinds of malfunctions of the mind using NLP. So yes it can be used positively much good can come of it.
People greatly lacking in confidence were taught how to project them selves using NLP.
Brain power can be enhanced.

In therapy the ego will sabotage the "cure" as there is massive pay value in being a victim, the center of attention - co-dependent. So embedded suggestions are made to the subconscious un tampered with by the ego. end results are implied.
This is the intended use of it by the person who originated it. And it's with permission, because the patient/client has hired the therapist to do therapy.

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The populous may be fooled by politicians using NLP but all politicians use it so it balances out.
An honest politician would not try to fool the public.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:40 PM   #53
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If any of you have use subliminal programing for fast reading, self improvement ,etc. you can begin to notice how subliminal programing is use on news programs like CNN. Yes after turning my TV off now for over a year I can tell you I was hooked and glue to the TV and news shows. Politicians are learning to use the same methods use by commercial ads to influence your subconscious mind. The subliminal messages are very effective . Obama's entourage used the campaign money very well. Over one year later is more of the same, politicians are just that, politicians .
I feel that if we could just get the money out of politics, then we would then find that honest people - and there are honest people who want to be in government for the people - would have a chance, and we would find that politics and the way politicians operate, would change.
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:49 PM   #54
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I have noted that when I am speaking (or for that matter even writting) about something emotionaly resonant for me it can make my throat choke up and has made me get emotional on several occasions (of they eye-leaking kind!). For example this happened once when I was describing a healing event at a meeting of fellow avalonians in Sydney - one minute I am describing a healing I was involved in carrying out on a sick animal, the next the amazing and burst of joy I had at the discovery that it had worked - and this triggered the leaky emotional response I felt at that time all over again. I wish to be able to speak to these subject unimpeded by this emotional response (since it gets in the way and stops me dead in my tracks) and I find it most inconvenient and a little embarrassing.
I, personally, love it when people display emotions of a loving kind. It makes me connect to that person. I listen to Dr Ott's radio show a lot, and one time he started to cry on air. He was reading aloud a piece about an autistic child. I have nothing but respect for people who care enough to cry.
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Old 02-18-2010, 12:04 AM   #55
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This is the intended use of it by the person who originated it. And it's with permission, because the patient/client has hired the therapist to do therapy.

Chris says Agree totally seashore.

An honest politician would not try to fool the public.
That is so too, but honest politicians will use N.L.P. honestly.
It is just a way of giving impact to the words, the words are out there for all to hear and agree or disagree. If the technique was so potent then everyone would have to agree with the speaker and that just dosent happen.
All political parties use sound bites, slogans, spin Dr's. Its the way it is seashore..
There are politicians and there are Statesmen, they are a rare breed.

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Old 02-18-2010, 12:57 AM   #56
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Seashore, completely agree.

Words and charisma are deceiving.
People who care about politics should focus on policy details rather than words or charm of their favorite politician or political party.
Hopefully our world can evolve past money soon.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:08 AM   #57
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Obama's favorite line 'yes we can!' backwards 'Thank you satan' Don't take my word for it go to youtube or try it yourself on a recording program.
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Old 02-18-2010, 01:24 AM   #58
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Obama's favorite line 'yes we can!' backwards 'Thank you satan' Don't take my word for it go to youtube or try it yourself on a recording program.
Freeman talks about this.

I don't know what to make of reverse speech. I don't know whether I believe it or not. I haven't studied the subject, though.

Here's Freeman's YouTube video:

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Old 02-18-2010, 01:25 AM   #59
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Im afraid Ive given up on politics to bring peace to this world.
I only posted on this thread because I have an interest in N.L.P.
While its not of this thread.
We have been at war for 95% of human history.
in my opinion the only way we can get out of this cycle is to get into spiritual teachings and learn how to transcend the ego.

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Old 02-18-2010, 01:32 AM   #60
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Im afraid Ive given up on politics to bring peace to this world.
I can understand that.

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learn how to transcend the ego.
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:15 PM   #61
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Looking at the Table of Contents, this caught my eye:

"*Obama’s hypnotic command that “a light will shine down from somewhere, it will light upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will say to yourself, ‘I have to vote for Barack’”......................................28"

I thought to myself, "Did he say that?"

I turned to page 28 and saw a footnote that there is a YouTube video put out by the McCain campaign about this.

Yes, he said it. I'm amazed.

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