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Old 02-15-2010, 03:55 AM   #1
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Default The Heather Material

I started reading the pdf and very quickly ended up simply reading Bill Ryans comments and decided the pdf wasn't really worth my time. Bill asks very good critical thinking questions to vet this story and we the reader never receive any answer to them. Apparently he hasn't received any answers either.

Will Kerry believe anything? Is this material worthy of being posted on the front page of PC? Who the heck is Marco?

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Old 02-15-2010, 04:04 AM   #2
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I just find myself rolling my eyes and shaking my head. Kerry and Bill are splitting off on different paths. Kerry the path of gullibility and Bill the path of credibility. Not a big surprise.
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:17 AM   #3
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I`m not surprised the least by this T3J
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:31 AM   #4
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Yeah, read it as well. I still do not know if this Heather actually posted on Avalon herself. It all seems like second, or third, hand info. So I remain undecided.

One thing is for certain,
if you are a whistle blower...

Do not ask a retired boxer & an nypd flunky to handle Public Relations.

>>>>___________________
Marcus Sparacio seems to be his real name. Does no one use google here??

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Old 02-15-2010, 04:54 AM   #5
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Will Kerry believe anything? Is this material worthy of being posted on the front page of PC? Who the heck is Marco?
discuss.
Marco = Marcus Sparacio = https://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=10931
Read his posts. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...archid=2709369
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:07 AM   #6
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Yeah I have the rest of her info, nine folders of the stuff, so if it is just crap, it should be entertaining eh? and thats Kickboxer Shaman, try not to cut your self on your razor sharp wit lol

to adress certain aspects, what I told heather was in good faith, yes I speak languages and I practices Mauy Thai, and this was my trade for some years, I have a few weird dreams, I am hardly a super solider, and right now with health issues I can't jump out of bed in the morning, hell if you look on my facebook page, you can see a spider bite almost finished me off a few weeks ago as it got sepsis and it went to my heart, real nasty bite! I am still on meds

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...7&id=597427323

hopefully you guys can see the pic I am not good at this.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pi...c&id=597427323


so yeah, I am feeling good now though but that bite kicked the crap out of me.

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Old 02-15-2010, 05:37 AM   #7
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This link doesn't work.

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Old 02-15-2010, 05:52 AM   #8
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People should not be so hasty.

When somebody exposes explosive material, gets banned, then 2 threads get closed.......well, well, well...... my antennas went up real fast......... and not to mention personal emails are now posted for all to read.......

We should already know by now how cover-ups are usually handled.
Either by silence, stalling or by attacking the personalities involved.

Personally, I think it's wise to wait before we make any judgments.
Just my 2 cents
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:05 AM   #9
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This link doesn't work.
Works for me - takes me to a list of the posts by Marc.
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:24 AM   #10
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Works for me - takes me to a list of the posts by Marc.
It's an expired search Karen. In the profile of the user, right-click and copy the "search all posts by" link without actually doing the search:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/searc...nduser&u=10931
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Old 02-15-2010, 07:13 AM   #11
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I see absolutely nothing to validate what "Heather" is saying.

Seriously....a few claims(same exact claims made elsewhere) followed by a string of digits.....followed by "OMG my life(and my loved ones) may be in danger!"

/convert to PDF file = credibility!




Bill busted [NO NAME CALLING] on the ip address.....good enough for me.

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Old 02-15-2010, 03:49 PM   #12
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Yeah I have the rest of her info, nine folders of the stuff, so if it is just crap, it should be entertaining eh?
Any idea when we are going to be able to see this information?

Also, I hope you are feeling better now and stay safe.
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:10 PM   #13
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You can see it right now on the camelot homepage. Once you review it and see Bills notes he put in it, it becomes fairly obvious why we are reacting the way we are.
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:01 PM   #14
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Oh, Bill made notes on the nine folders of stuff?

Great, I will go check.
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:39 PM   #15
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It's nice to see Bill's comments. The people coming forward with this info didn't prove anything to Bill yet, and are very rude. I think it's quite simple. Unless Bill can be convinced and proof shown to him, time and energy can't be wasted on people who make their point with an aggressive attitude. It doesn't mean they are dishonnest. It just means they act as if they can afford to be arrogant because they speak on behalf of a whistleblower, who doesn't seem to exist... and that's a problem.

If you 2 are telling the truth about this whistleblower, you're not helping this woman at all with your attitude. If you won't do it for yourselves, do it for her and be nice to Bill and us, at least until you can prove something to Bill.

Since Marcus Sparacio aka Armake went out of his way to post here that he's on youtube, it means he expect people to go see for themselves. Marcus Sparacio is that you on this video? Please be nice if you reply.




And here's a good read if you wonder whether you're gullible or not:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
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Old 02-15-2010, 06:50 PM   #16
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One thing is for certain,
if you are a whistle blower...

Do not ask a retired boxer & an nypd flunky to handle Public Relations.
good advice
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Old 02-15-2010, 07:22 PM   #17
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It's nice to see Bill's comments. The people coming forward with this info didn't prove anything to Bill yet, and are very rude. I think it's quite simple. Unless Bill can be convinced and proof shown to him, time and energy can't be wasted on people who make their point with an aggressive attitude. It doesn't mean they are dishonnest. It just means they act as if they can afford to be arrogant because they speak on behalf of a whistleblower, who doesn't seem to exist... and that's a problem.

If you 2 are telling the truth about this whistleblower, you're not helping this woman at all with your attitude. If you won't do it for yourselves, do it for her and be nice to Bill and us, at least until you can prove something to Bill.

Since Marcus Sparacio aka Armake went out of his way to post here that he's on youtube, it means he expect people to go see for themselves. Marcus Sparacio is that you on this video? Please be nice if you reply.




And here's a good read if you wonder whether you're gullible or not:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation
I'm going to catch grief for this but ....oh well.

Again...I know none of these folks so I come at this from what is displayed and had not a whole lot of opinion on this before a few days ago.

I deal in facts...what I can see and touch and logically deduce

The IP thing - If you are basing guilt or innocence on that....I can have 5 different IPs before I stop typing this sentence...Big places with lots of room broadcast 1 IP address to the world

If you are basing it on what Bill revealed early on:

The IP address the same...See above and the fact that Ben had multiple logons...Missing was the fact that Ben had created them after he was banned in an attempt to have access to Avalon

His reasons for wanting on so badly was his own...I would have probably done the same

The above video of one of his defenders....really seems like a smear campaign...I'm an okay guy but I have bad days...and I also don't publish myself as an edgy game reviewer...so the Video of the guy losing his mind on the vid game is really inappropriate.

Avalon is better than how this is playing out....

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Old 02-15-2010, 07:24 PM   #18
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Avalon is better than how this is playing out....

Peace Y'all
i agree
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:42 PM   #19
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i read the pdf and bills notes. how bill noted the information presented is how i mentally picutre all information that i look at. nobody knows anything for sure about anything. interesting as always and filed away in the memory of things ive heard or read. ive digested the information but that does not mean that i think its true or beleive anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubDnE...eature=related
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Old 02-15-2010, 09:51 PM   #20
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I agree that video of Marco made in 2008 was silly and pretty wild, but those gamers are into those things, but it was tagged as a comedy.

Who has done things in the past that they wish they could just forget about?

Like Stargazer, I only deal in facts and think it looks like a smear campaign.

This is not about Marco, it's about Heather's material. ALL of it.
We can make up our own minds once everything is released.

I just want to know why it is taking so long for somebody to make some kind of statement.
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Old 02-15-2010, 10:38 PM   #21
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I just find myself rolling my eyes and shaking my head. Kerry and Bill are splitting off on different paths. Kerry the path of gullibility and Bill the path of credibility. Not a big surprise.
Bill, with his background, has more entrained abilities to go and check out someone's "space". I figure if I can do it he can do it in spades :-)

I think the reason for Kerrie's open disregard for Bill is caused by something else and not what has been publicly stated. What duality or polarity or opposing goal set it being dramatized here? How can it be healed?

I'm glad to see Kerrie branching out and doing her own radio show. It seems to be a very powerful medium for her.
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Old 02-15-2010, 10:55 PM   #22
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My observations on the PDF...for what it's worth. I'm not a specialist in any field but I will draw on my experience as a hobbyist writer.

Firstly, without a shadow of any doubt the whole file is poorly written. It is not consistent with the level of an education a qualified MD / scientist would have. Spelling, grammar and punctuation. Is there evidence this was written in hast? Even then I would have thought someone’s cognitive abilities be second nature.

I got the distinct impression two authors were involved. The second author’s grammatical composition was very poor. Was it written from memory by another author?

Not only that it seemed 2 stories we're being spliced into one. This could be due to the second author’s grammar / writing ability but those areas of composition relate off the main narrative to a third party.

I am not expert or hold a say here. Just stating my observations of the text.

No consultation fee sort or required. No copyright implied. Free for public use and recommend everything be put behind us.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:00 PM   #23
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It sort of reads like some of the stuff that comes out in some people's past life sessions, and I have heard a much of this before.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:04 PM   #24
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Is the guy on the vid suppose to be a Cop? My gut says not a Cop. He runs out of air in 10 seconds. Easy enough to check out, maybe he works in the computer lab.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:17 PM   #25
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I completely agree with SteveX. I didn't read the entire content of the pdf- a lot of the reason being that the writing was so poor. I find it hard to believe an educated person would write this way. I am definitely not the best writer and my grammar is lacking (yay for spell check!), but this material was awful.
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