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Old 09-19-2008, 04:43 PM   #1
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WASHINGTON — The Bush administration sketched out a multi-faceted effort on Friday to confront the worst U.S. financial crisis in decades, outlining a program that could cost taxpayers hundreds of billions of dollars to buy up bad mortgages and other toxic debt that has unhinged Wall Street.

President Bush, flanked by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, acknowledged that the program will put a "significant amount of taxpayers' money on the line."

The administration is asking Congress to give it sweeping new powers to execute the plan. Paulson said it "needs to be big enough to make a real difference and get to the heart of the problem."

Paulson gave few details but said he would work through the weekend with leaders of Congress from both parties to flesh out the program, the biggest proposed government intervention in financial markets since the Great Depression. Members of the Senate Banking Committee said they had yet to receive details of the proposal, but were ready to move quickly when they do.

The government's steps were welcomed by financial markets. As Paulson spoke, the Dow Jones industrials were up over 300 points and at one point had soared by 450 points. Global stock markets rose, too.

Before the markets opened, the government announced plans to temporarily insure money-market deposits and to block short-selling in financial securities. Short selling is a trading method that bets the stocks will go down.

Speaking to reporters at the Treasury Department, Paulson said that the new troubled-asset relief program that he wants Congress to enact must be large enough to have the necessary impact while protecting taxpayers as much as possible.

"I am convinced that this bold approach will cost American families far less than the alternative _ a continuing series of financial institution failures and frozen credit markets unable to fund economic expansion," Paulson said in a prepared statement.
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Old 09-19-2008, 04:56 PM   #2
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Does anyone see there is something wrong with this concept of perpetual economic expansion?
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:09 PM   #3
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The intervention will ultimately lead to a slow down in the economy. Bigger budget deficit. This will only be a temporary reprieve in the market, allowing companies to find much needed capital, but the trend will ultmately continue.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:45 PM   #4
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It is patently impossible to discuss social engineering or the automation of a society, i.e., the engineering of social automation systems (silent weapons) on a national or worldwide scale without implying extensive objectives of social control and destruction of human life, i .e., slavery and genocide.

This manual is in itself an analog declaration of intent. Such a writing must be secured from public scrutiny. Otherwise, it might be recognized as a technically formal declaration of domestic war. Furthermore, whenever any person or group of persons in a position of great power, and without the full knowledge and consent of the public, uses such knowledge and methodology for economic conquest -- it must be understood that a state of domestic warfare exists between said person or group of persons and the public.


In 1954 it was well recognized by those in positions of authority that it was only a matter of time, only a few decades, before the general public would be able to grasp and upset the cradle of power, for the very elements of the new silent weapon technology were as accessible for a public utopia as they were for providing a private utopia.

The issue of primary concern that of dominance, revolved around the subject of the energy sciences.


Energy is recognized as the key to all activity on earth. Natural science is the study of the sources and control of natural energy, and social science, theoretically expressed as economics, is the study of the sources and control of social energy. Both are bookkeeping systems; mathematics. Therefore, mathematics is the primary energy science. And the bookkeeper can be king if the public can be kept ignorant of the methodology of the bookkeeping.

All science is merely a means to an end. The means is knowledge. The end is control. Beyond this remains only one issue, "who will be the beneficiary?".

In 1954 this was the issue of primary concern. Although the so-called "moral Issues" were raised, in view of the law of natural selection it was agreed that a nation or world of people who will not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence. Such a people are beasts of burden and steaks on the table by choice and consent.

CONSEQUENTLY, in the interest of future world order, peace, and tranquility, it was decided to privately wage a quiet war against the American public with an ultimate objective of permanently shifting the natural and social energy (wealth) of the undisciplined and irresponsible many into the hands of the self-disciplined, responsible, and worthy few.

In order to implement this objective, it was necessary to create, secure, and apply new weapons which, as it turned out, were a class of weapons so subtle and sophisticated in their principle of operation and public appearance as to earn for themselves the name 'silent weapons'.

In conclusion, the objective of economic research, as conducted by the magnates of capital (banking) and the industries of commodities (goods) and services, is the establishment of an economy which is totally predictable and manipulatable.

In order to achieve a totally predictable economy, the low class elements of the society must be brought under total control, i.e., must be house-broken, trained, and assigned a yoke and long term social duties from a very early age, before they have an opportunity to question the propriety of the matter. In order to achieve such conformity, the lower class family unit must be disintegrated by a process of increasing preoccupation of the parents and the establishment of government operated day care centers for the occupationally orphaned children.

The quality of education given to the lower class must be of the poorest sort, so that the meat of ignorance isolating the the inferior class from the superior class is and remains incomprehensible to the inferior class. With such an initial handicap, even bright lower class individuals have little if any hope of extricating themselves from their assigned lot in life. This form of slavery is essential to maintaining some measure of social order, peace, and tranquility for the ruling upper class.


What Mr. Rothschild had discovered was the basic principle of power, influence, and control over people as applied to economics. That principle is "when you assume the appearance of power, people soon give it to you".

Mr. Rothschild had discovered that currency or deposit loan accounts had the required appearance of power that could be used to induce people (inductance, with people corresponding to a magnetic field) into surrendering their real wealth in exchange for a promise of greater wealth (instead of real compensation). They would put up real collateral in exchange for a loan of promissory notes. Mr. Rothschild found that he could issue more notes than he had backing for, so long as he had someone's stock of gold as a persuader to show to his customers.

Mr. Rothschild loaned his promissory notes to individuals and to governments. These would create over-confidence. Then he would make money scarce, tighten control of the system, and collect his collateral through the obligation of contracts. The cycle was then repeated. These pressures could be used to ignite a war. Then he would control the availability of currency to determine who would win the war. That government which agreed to give him control of its economic system got his support. Collection of debts was guaranteed by economic aid to the enemy of the debtor. The profit derived from this economic methodology made Mr. Rothschild all the more wealthy and all the more able to extend his wealth. He found that the public greed would allow currency to be printed by government order beyond the limits (inflation) of backing in precious metal or the production of goods and services (gross national product, GNP).


In this structure, credit, presented as a pure circuit element called "currency", has the appearance of capital, but is, in fact, negative capital. Hence, it has the appearance of service, but is, in fact, indebtedness or debt. It is therefore an economic inductance instead of an economic capacitance, and if balanced in no other way, will be balanced by the negation of population (war, genocide). The total goods and services represents real capital called the gross national product, and currency may be printed up to this level and still represent economic capacitance; but currency printed beyond this level is subtractive, represents the introduction of economic inductance, and constitutes notes of indebtedness. War is therefore the balancing of the system by killing the true creditors (the public which we have taught to exchange true value for inflated currency) and falling back on whatever is left of the resources of nature and the regeneration of those resources.

Mr. Rothschild had discovered that currency gave him the power to rearrange the economic structure to his own advantage,, to shift economic inductance to those economic positions which would encourage the greatest economic instability and oscillation.


Economics is only a social extension of a natural energy system. It, also, has its three passive components. Because of the distribution of wealth and the lack of communication and consequent lack of data, this field has been the last energy field for which a knowledge of these three passive components has been developed.

Since energy is the key to all activity on the face of the earth, it follows that in order to attain a monopoly of energy, raw materials, goods, and services and to establish a world system of slave labor, it is necessary to have a first strike capability in the field of economics. In order to maintain our position, it is necessary that we have absolute first knowledge of the science of control over all economic factors and the first experience at engineering the world economy.

In order to achieve such sovereignty, we must at least achieve this one end: that the public will not make either the logical or mathematical connection between economics and the other energy sciences or learn to apply such knowledge.

This is becoming increasingly difficult to control because more and more businesses are making demands upon their computer programmers to create and apply mathematical models for the management of those businesses.

It is only a matter of time before the new breed of private programmer/economists will catch on to the far reaching implications of the work begun at Harvard in 1948. The speed with which they can communicate their warning to the public will largely depend upon how effective we have been at controlling the media, subverting education, and keeping the public distracted with matters of no real importance.



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Old 09-19-2008, 06:00 PM   #5
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And if you keep reading the link that bluestix mentioned you will found out that economy is behaving like a eletric system. Banks and other financial institutions are like fuses. What is happening now it that these fuses blow up, one after the other... but the charge remains the same (or with debt increase by loaning from the federal reserve increases)... logically that the fuses that remain have to handle that charge, cannot hold it and blow up themselves... the more fuses go, the less remain, the faster they blow also... what is the solution in a electronic system for such a domino effect... you guide the charge to the earth, or massive load... in this case: the people... we all getting charge with a huge load of negative energy in this way...

-i recommend highly to read the link that bluestix provided...
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:00 PM   #6
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The administration is asking Congress to give it sweeping new powers to execute the plan.
Where have I seen that line before?

It's not about the economy. It's not about helping the public.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:12 PM   #7
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wow matching ties.. Thats truly the most creepy & hideous intimidation tactic iv seen yet! That one dude is totally giving giving bush the death look for some reason & bush seems to be returning it!
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:18 PM   #8
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wow matching ties.. Thats truly the most creepy & hideous intimidation tactic iv seen yet! That one dude is totally giving giving bush the death look for some reason & bush seems to be returning it!
Yep! Look at Bernanke's face. Smiling with a tilted grin.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:18 PM   #9
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The chairman of the senate banking committee says it all!

The chairman of the Senate banking committee, Democrat Chris Dodd, said the United States could be "days away from a complete meltdown of our financial system" and Congress is working quickly to prevent that.

This is it!
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:18 PM   #10
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Where have I seen that line before?

It's not about the economy. It's not about helping the public.
It's all about control. Order out of chaos.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:22 PM   #11
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FYI

US Government to secure mortgage market with gold reserves
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Old 09-19-2008, 07:43 PM   #12
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And that is a move of complete desperation...
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Old 09-19-2008, 08:19 PM   #13
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this bailout plan is total crap. i can't believe i don't hear many senators or congressmen fighting on our behalf. funny i don't hear a lot of people ****** off either. do you think it's the fluoride in the water? this is a total disgrace or we're all a bunch a loonies.

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Old 09-20-2008, 01:28 AM   #14
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Hi ophiuchus,

You will find that nobody will complain at this moment in time. The 'money' being put up will make a lot of people very rich over the short term.

I can't justify seeing the dollar strengthen against other major currencies when the Fed just stuck a tril in circulation overnight. If anything, with this boost of inflation, the dollar should weaken. But, at the moment, it hasn't done so. It seems to be going against the correct flow.

The current government in the US want McCain to win the 'elections' so it had to do something to stop the jitters on Wall Street - forget about the rest of the world for the moment.

The US as to show its' books at the end of September. With all of this extra money floating round and the humongous debt that has been accrued, what do ou think will happen? Chances are there will e some excuse to stave that one off.

Several countries have already started to deal in Euros for their international transactions which also aggravates the American cash flow and consequently economy.

The deal set today to make a fund for bad debts has just opened the flood gates for more reckless lending by greedy corporations. After all the 'fund' will take care of the chaff, whilst the companies will just have to worry about the wheat. Also the bad debters won't be overly worried after all the government will come in and help them out with the 'fund'.

Don't forget the fat cats in Washington have to preserve their piece of the cake also, so like in any developing country, they use public money for their own gain.

Both McCain and Obama will suffer as president, whoever 'wins'.

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this bailout plan is total crap. i can't believe i don't hear many senators or congressmen fighting on our behalf. funny i don't hear a lot of people ****** off either. do you think it's the fluoride in the water? this is a total disgrace or we're all a bunch a loonies.
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Old 09-20-2008, 01:55 AM   #15
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What stood out for me was the comment about the need for Congress to approve something big. What exactly (apart from what has already been mentioned)?

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Old 09-20-2008, 02:28 AM   #16
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Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, acknowledged that the program will put a "significant amount of taxpayers' money on the line."
The people of this country should be taking to the streets, pitchforks in hand.

They've managed to sell the populous on the idea that it would be bad for the poor and middle class to let these rich guys go broke - so the poor and middle class will be forced to cover their losses.

Amazing.

Orwellian.
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Does anyone see there is something wrong with this concept of perpetual economic expansion?
Not as long as it stays basically in line with population expansion.
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Old 10-01-2008, 01:00 AM   #18
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So, first off this girl is seriously like my hero cause she ISNT full of it. So, i believe itd be a good idea for all of us truly against the "bail out" A.K.A. Corporate raiding of our country let her or your local rep and let them know.

Marcy "Lets play wall street bailout" VIDEO
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Try as many times as you can to do that one, every once in a while it shows the message:

"The House of Representatives is currently experiencing an extraordinarily high amount of email traffic. The Write Your Representative function is therefore intermittently available. While we realize communicating to your Members of Congress is critical, we suggest attempting to do so at a later time, when demand is not so high. System engineers are working to resolve this issue and we appreciate your patience."

Our job as tax payers is to storm them with our opinions & voices as to locking these corporate raiders up ASAP. How long do you honestly think it'll take before their found? I got the feeling this scam isn't going to fly nearly as planned and could potentially back fire on those that planned it. george W for example looked pretty sickly, stressed, very worried and weak on TV today, much like his father.


Im hearing its a total of $36,000 per person. Why would anyone let someone make them an endangered servant? Im totally saying no and am insulted to the fullest extent that a bunch of bankers & wall st. executives would even try that.

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Does anyone see there is something wrong with this concept of perpetual economic expansion?
You can blow it up for a while like a balloon; but then it goes 'POP!'

Like that?


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Posted On: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 5:25:00 PM EST

Help Put An End To Financial Fabrication

Author: Jim Sinclair










Dear Friends,

Please stop being spectators and put an end to financial fabrication!

Get involved in the Wall Street Bailout Bill.

If this bill is passed financial institutions will be freed from fair accounting rules that require them to reveal the true market value of the value-less paper they hold. That would allow them to continue lying about their solvency.

You simply must not let that happen. It legislates financial fabrication!

This is the first time in my 67 years that legislators are listening to the public, so please tell them what you want on this bill, whether it be yes or no, but do not support lying as an economic tool.

Have we not already had ENOUGH of fabricated, spun, mistruths?

Vote No against a change in Fair Accounting Rules. Vote any way you wish on the rest of this meaningless exercise.

The following is a contact list of Republicans who voted for the Bailout. Contact them and voice your opinions!


Posted On: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 5:25:00 PM EST

Help Put An End To Financial Fabrication

Author: Jim Sinclair










Dear Friends,

Please stop being spectators and put an end to financial fabrication!

Get involved in the Wall Street Bailout Bill.

If this bill is passed financial institutions will be freed from fair accounting rules that require them to reveal the true market value of the value-less paper they hold. That would allow them to continue lying about their solvency.

You simply must not let that happen. It legislates financial fabrication!

This is the first time in my 67 years that legislators are listening to the public, so please tell them what you want on this bill, whether it be yes or no, but do not support lying as an economic tool.

Have we not already had ENOUGH of fabricated, spun, mistruths?

Vote No against a change in Fair Accounting Rules. Vote any way you wish on the rest of this meaningless exercise.

The following is a contact list of Republicans who voted for the Bailout. Contact them and voice your opinions!


Posted On: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 5:25:00 PM EST

Help Put An End To Financial Fabrication

Author: Jim Sinclair










Dear Friends,

Please stop being spectators and put an end to financial fabrication!

Get involved in the Wall Street Bailout Bill.

If this bill is passed financial institutions will be freed from fair accounting rules that require them to reveal the true market value of the value-less paper they hold. That would allow them to continue lying about their solvency.

You simply must not let that happen. It legislates financial fabrication!

This is the first time in my 67 years that legislators are listening to the public, so please tell them what you want on this bill, whether it be yes or no, but do not support lying as an economic tool.

Have we not already had ENOUGH of fabricated, spun, mistruths?

Vote No against a change in Fair Accounting Rules. Vote any way you wish on the rest of this meaningless exercise.

The following is a contact list of Republicans who voted for the Bailout. Contact them and voice your opinions!


http://jsmineset.com/cwsimages/Miscf...epublicans.pdf


Posted On: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 12:05:00 PM EST

The Madness Of The Crowd

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Dear CIGAs,

WAKE UP.

In this crisis $250 billion is chump change. As a matter of fact, $750 billion is chump change.

The "Madness of the Crowd" does not recognize that the Fed lent $1.25 trillion last week. These loans were not to strong, but ailing financial entities.

Surprise, surprise, the $1.25 trillion in one week is much larger than $250 or $750 billion.

Stay the course and ignore the shorts, or if u can't stand the heat in the gold kitchen as Harry Truman kind of said, then please leave immediately!

"The ECB is no longer able to inject liquidity because the money is just coming back to them again. This is extremely serious. If monetary policy is no longer working, there is a risk that the whole system will blow up in days," he said.
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SORRY I PASTE IT2 TIMES MORE

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C,

What is the link to the site you found that on?
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