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Old 11-03-2008, 02:55 PM   #76
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The gates of Avalon should remain wide open.
This is a time of gathering so that like minded souls can move into transition.
Avalon is one of the places that makes this a possibility.
People like you and I are making connections here , finding knowledge as well as wisdom.

If the costs it takes becomes too hard on some that they would have to close the doors,
then I feel we all have a responsibility in bringing our support so that we can keep Avalon going.

To be fair to everyone and not exclude anyone which just could not afford a membership I am in support of donations. Everyone should donate something but then only according to one's own possibilities.

Some will give little , some will give more but if everyone participates that will prove our loyalty to Avalon and we can become a team working in the same direction.

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Old 11-03-2008, 03:04 PM   #77
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I can't afford to stay if i gotta pay

I may soon not have access to the internet, so as much as i would love to help things along i simply won't be able to.

Hey love to all though, and that includes the petty squablers in this place!

I also think that those intent on disinformation will still subscribe as i think they have a tad more money than i!

Gonna find a violin now...
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:07 PM   #78
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I edited my post.

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Old 11-03-2008, 03:07 PM   #79
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:09 PM   #80
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If you have $$$ for the violin, then you would have $$$ for Avalon.
Didn't say i was gonna pay for it did i?
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:10 PM   #81
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I am unable to vote on this as I am still thinking about it.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:12 PM   #82
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Do you feel that a vote of yay or nay or even multiple choice is an adequate expression of 'voice'?

Why not? It's just like our current election process.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:16 PM   #83
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Unfortunately, I too would have to leave. Given that I am living "The Life" on a sustainable farm I have no spare cash of any kind. With the economy in a pile all around me cash is hard to come by and I am maintaining an Internet connection and electricity by the skin of my teeth one more straw would break the camel's back! I have no credit card and no bank account, and I suspect this would describe more of your members than you know.

Add to that my profound distrust for organizations that charge $$. It never takes long before the money takes over and changes the entire thing. Once the Salvation Army was about helping poor people. Now it's about funding the management's retirement package.

Here's a novel idea.

Post the exact amount it costs to maintain this thing. Put up a Paypal donation button and one of those widgets that lets you know how much has been donated and how much is still needed to hit the goal. Those of us without cash can donate time. Those of us with cash can donate money. And since the process is completely transparent nobody can argue, or even suspect, that the money is being mismanaged.

Hmmm?
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:17 PM   #84
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I edited my post.

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Old 11-03-2008, 03:17 PM   #85
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2-3 Trillions Dollars go missing every year in America to fund the Black Projects.
You think they don't have enough money to still pay 20-30$/month to settle the disinformation on the site?

As for collecting the money from the members of this forum, I don't think the money will go directly to handling this forum, but more probably financing the travels to talk to the whistleblowers.

Whatever turns out, if money is involved in a situation like this ; you have created a barrier between the ones who can have access to this information and the ones who cannot have access to this information.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:20 PM   #86
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Did I say that you would? I said that as a comment for what you said. If you are going to have a (five finger discount) on the violin then you would, A: pay for the bus fare. B: Pay for the petrol in your car-friends car. C: Pay for a taxi...You would still need to pay in order to get the violin. It would also depend how far away the violin is, walking distance? If walking, how would you get to the violin? Maybe one or MORE of your friends would help to pickup the violin. Would you need to pay your friends for the help?
Who mentioned a physical violin?

Open up your mind!
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:20 PM   #87
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I edited my post.

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Old 11-03-2008, 03:22 PM   #88
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Ya know as much as I like this project I just can't help thinking; would my subscription fee be going towards this site or the ark bucket. Sorry people that was my deep feeling after reading Bill's post. I am not looking for trouble here I just don't feel right about this.
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:24 PM   #89
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I edited my post.

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Old 11-03-2008, 03:28 PM   #90
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Where would the 'sounds' come from, from the NONE physical violin?
Yes as my mind is able to create such sounds. Thankyou for your interest in this matter
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:31 PM   #91
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I edited my post.

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Old 11-03-2008, 03:45 PM   #92
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Thank you for your participation in this thread.
It looks like the overall majority do not
want Avalon to be a paid subscription website.

However, the final decision comes from
Bill and Kerry. So, I hope that some of you
do not get discouraged if they go through
with their plan for a paid subscription service.

But now that we have your thoughts
and feelings on this thread along with your
poll results, this will show Bill and Kerry
where you stand on this issue.

Thanks,
Kevin
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Old 11-03-2008, 03:48 PM   #93
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I edited my post.

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Old 11-03-2008, 04:05 PM   #94
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Gordon,

This is why I created this thread. Obviously you are not shy about expressing your thoughts on this issue. So, we will take this into consideration.

Peace,
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:07 PM   #95
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Allthough I own and run a forum that could easily overtake the functions of Avalon where nobody has to pay (because of the low servercosts: about $100.- a year and of which I will not place a link here) I will pay for the servercosts of Avalon (even cheaper than my own forum) if the owners think they can't afford it.
If this subscription money is meant to go to the mods for their many hours of hard work than it's a whole other story but even that I am already supporting.

So I say nobody should pay or subscribe.

Furthermore I contribute to this forum as much as I can, bringing in my knowledge and good vibrations and I am not going to pay for being allowed to share my abundance.
If people want to share my abundance then they just have to mail me or PM and I will invite them in my house, feed them, give them a place to sleep but I will not pay them for that.

So will I leave when Avalon becomes a subscription forum? Definitly !!
The one who came up with this idea should be ashamed.

It's like an online salessite:
Offer it for free, after downloading say it's a trial version and start charging money after 30 days.
No way Jose!
We have our own Ark to build in Europe as well !!

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Old 11-03-2008, 04:07 PM   #96
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I edited my post.

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Old 11-03-2008, 04:10 PM   #97
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Having a paid subscription does leave a lot of people out of the loop but it also creates a forum that helps prevent stupid and unnecessary comments that only create negativity and distraction from the main topic.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:22 PM   #98
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Having a paid subscription does leave a lot of people out of the loop but it also creates a forum that helps prevent stupid and unnecessary comments that only create negativity and distraction from the main topic.
Yes, an eliteforum.........wow.........
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:28 PM   #99
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Not really sure what is so elite about it. If you want to spend the money and spew negativity on the forum, get banned and sign up again, that's your choice.
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Old 11-03-2008, 04:32 PM   #100
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I edited my post.

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