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Old 09-27-2008, 04:39 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Radiant zones - land ideas

Question how many people can fit on a acre, how many people can a acre feed.



Ive been looking at properties and im not sure of the sustainability level of people to land size. But im sure the market will drop even more for land. Some of these are SWEET thou check these out

ive been also looking into different alternative building materials the past year, but with a central houes its good to have as you build all the little houses it can be like a common house where people all eat together ect.

i can imagine excellant crops from those rolling hills, old dairy farms would be great for planting crops, imagine how fertilized the ground is

some states just have great deals for HUGE chunks of land, ive lived on 3 acres as a kid in a rual setting it was quite a ways walk from one ned to the other lol i cant imagine how far 50 acres is lol. does anyone know aboout if these states are safe areas?

these are all farms and land. with over 20 acres most have 50-60 with prices between 70k & 200k many have houses and barns and other farms stuff, and some have stocked lakes and rivers running thru them

which ones of these are you faves? It gives ideas and possibilities.

http://www.landandfarm.com/lf/s/63/3...a_virginia.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...rs_dream_8.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...land_acres.asp

TENN is gorgeous. they are already making a community here. Dudes check out those gallery pics OMG gorgeous like i have never imagined, those waterfalls woa

http://www.sewaneecreek.com/index.php

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie..._w_49_acre.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...ide2_barns.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...dairy_farm.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/lf/s/63/8...iful_acres.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...er_w_95_ac.asp

this one is HUGE 150 acres and a stocked pond
http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...tyville_ky.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...ote_farm_1.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...lakes_farm.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...iful_acres.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...a_st_james.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/properties/live_creek.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...kentucky_4.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...he_creek_4.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...property_5.asp

these are orchards

http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...e_property.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/lf/s/63/7...an_orchard.asp

http://www.landandfarm.com/lf/s/63/v...d_for_sale.asp


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Old 09-27-2008, 04:40 AM   #2
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does anyone know about construction?
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Old 09-27-2008, 06:20 AM   #3
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You do, beautiful radiant Being! Why don't ya make a new post for construction ideas!

Dreahillresearch is doing some of this with geodesics domes and sustained living.

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Old 09-27-2008, 07:45 AM   #4
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The type of construction that you need depends on what you believe will be the worse case scenario you want to plan for. Curve structures such as domes are strongest, as they tend to spread the stress to more of the total structure. Re-enforced concrete is strong. I would go for a circular base, with a dome built on top. It might survive the worse case.

A source of energy is important. Flowing water with an elevation drop can be harnessed for energy (hydro). Aquponics/ hydroponics can be a way to grow food if you have the energy source. Geophysical changes may create cloudy and rainy weather for years.
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Old 09-27-2008, 02:56 PM   #5
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Great find's here...

Curiously I spent about 3 hours looking at various properties on the same website, also on looking for land auctions.

Getting a Trailer to live on, on-site while you build and/or renovate one of these properties I think is the way to go. "Survivorman" did a special (its on youtube, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZCrP...eature=related ) about going off the grid, from a piece of property on up.

My heart is practically kicking me out of the door to get started doing this for myself. Thanks for the links! By the way, so far I like this one the best:
http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...tyville_ky.asp

Find any more good ones in the 'four corners area' (NV, AZ, CO) let us know!

Adam K.
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Old 09-27-2008, 03:15 PM   #6
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We are building a cement geodesic dome! You can check out the dome kits at American Ingenuity Domes. These domes are fire, earthquake and tornado proof!! The walls come with cement outer layer, 7 inch styrofoam insulation (R-45) and the interior sheetrock! They are harder to construct than a square house...and we are still not finished with the interior...But, the energy living inside a rounded structure is wonderful!! We heat our dome for free with our wood burning central boiler...which runs hot water through our radiant floor system we installed ourselves. We are totally self sufficient and live off-grid! There are so many ways to Live Green, Live Free!!!
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Old 09-27-2008, 03:38 PM   #7
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does anyone know about construction?

Hi, Seva
I found this link on another thread here somewhere. check it out.


http://www.calearth.org/PhotoGallery/photogallery.html

there was another link I wanted to send you but I can't seem to find it right now. I do agree with Northern Santuary that Domes are the stongest.
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Old 09-28-2008, 04:30 AM   #8
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Seva, have you ever visited Jacques Fresca's The Venus Project, in Venus, FL? If you are close enough, it would give you GREAT INSIGHT into what is possible. He and his partner built several demonstration domes themselves, using simple construction with self-built countertops and interesting flooring. www.thevenusproject.com

His model for sustainability, designed around PEOPLE-CENTERED ideals, is showcased at their 25-acre site. Well worth a trip for all the ideas it will spark.

To give you some idea of how much land, I'll share some specifics from a 34-room Retreat Center we built on an 8-acre site in the mountains of NC. We had an average of 75 guests per week, plus 25 staff members, who lived on-site. We ate all meals together in the central dining hall. 100 people was a very workable "community."

The central dining room/kitchen/main office/manager's apartment with a basement laundry and dishwashing center, was approx 120' X 60'.

Within walking distance of the main building, we located 3 lodging units, two 10-unit two-story lodges with efficiency studios 27' X 12', and one building with 10 rooms and a 2-bedroom manager's apartment, with 4 units on the upper story, each room 28' X 12', for a total of 34 rooms and 2 2-bedroom apartments.

There was plenty of parking at each building. A paved one-way road allowed a beautifully landscaped natural area between each building. We used mostly native azaleas, rhodedendrons, and mountain laurels which we carefully transplanted from the nearby woods.

Over the years, we added a kidney-shaped pool, a hot-tub, a 100-seat amphitheater and stage area, another conference room of 30' X 60', an exercise room, approximately 20 campsites with bathhouse, and a small orchard for dwarf fruit trees.

THE 8-ACRE SITE WAS NOT AT ALL CROWDED. It made excellent use of a hilly site, so that nobody was too far away from the main building to walk to meals and main activities.

On our 8-acre site, we could have built at least 5 domes per acre, and landscaped for privacy so that each would be practically invisible from the other. I loved the way the domes were designed at The Venus Project. Some domes are too tall and gangly. The ones Jacques and Roxanne built at Venus were one-story affairs utilizing a smaller footprint that blended beautifully into the surroundings. They would be a dream to set up for off-grid living.

We, too, designed and built our complex ourselves. It is so satisfying to tackle such a project. If you don't know how to do something when you start, trust me, you'll learn far more than just how to build a building.


We were probably a little more hilly than some of your sites in Virginia or Kentucky or Tennessee. Climate throughout that region should be ideal for GC communities. Unless you are spoiled by the climate in Florida, where, with the proper "dwelling," you never need a heater or an air-conditioner!
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Old 09-28-2008, 04:43 AM   #9
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We no longer own the 34-room complex we built, but I found a website with pictures to give you some idea of the land, the layout, and what we did with it:
www.oaksresortnc.com

It was part of a 300-acre family-owned parcel five miles from any town. Hope this gives you some ideas!
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Old 09-30-2008, 05:05 AM   #10
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Great find's here...

Curiously I spent about 3 hours looking at various properties on the same website, also on looking for land auctions.

Getting a Trailer to live on, on-site while you build and/or renovate one of these properties I think is the way to go. "Survivorman" did a special (its on youtube, here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZCrP...eature=related ) about going off the grid, from a piece of property on up.

My heart is practically kicking me out of the door to get started doing this for myself. Thanks for the links! By the way, so far I like this one the best:
http://www.landandfarm.com/propertie...tyville_ky.asp

Find any more good ones in the 'four corners area' (NV, AZ, CO) let us know!

Adam K.

WOW!!! great vids thank you!
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