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Old 12-01-2009, 10:51 AM   #101
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Ahhh ... thanks Boudy...

Hopefully this will make manifesting the ascension a little easier! First there is a little clearing of the issues that maybe keeping you stuck and then you do the manifesting.


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Old 12-06-2009, 12:39 PM   #102
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Excellent read...

The Maya Calendar 13th Baktun ending on 21-12-2012 as well as global conspiracies, a possible consciousness shift and prophesy of a doomsday around 2012 are now all popular discussions. If you have not yet encountered much the 2012 information related to strange aspects of this particular year this should serve as an introduction.

With films like Roland Emmerich’s '2012' having already assailed the public consciousness pretty soon everybody will have heard of this subject. Though I expect little of such movie adaptations from the body of available 2012 research material, they will reach far more people than the books and sites of actual 2012 researchers. Hopefully some will find the subject via such a route but stay to learn something more about the world in which they reside. Indeed there is much to learn about the forming new world civilisation, current state of the planet, ancient human wisdom and ways to progress the species forward.

This introduction to the subject will have to be necessarily brief in scope, as there is simply far too much for any one person to convey or for that matter absorb, in any single sitting. The basis of the interest in the year 2012 is in the closing of a great cycle within the Mayan calendar system. The ancient Mayan people of Central America kept the most complex calendar system in the known world. In all they had some 20 different calendars running in unison. The best way to visualise this is as a number of interlocking cogs of various sizes grinding against each other; thus days each had a number of component parts. Of course we have an element of these process ourselves within our simpler Gregorian calendar, seven named days and up to 31 numbers each meshing with 12 named months as the years pass.

Each Maya calendar related information on schedules for tasks or events such as seed planting, religious rites, eclipse’s, mystical predictions and other happenings seen as cyclical in nature. The calendar that most concerns us here is the 13-Baktun or ‘Long Count' system, which runs for just over 5125 years. The counting system was started and set to end by the originators long, long ago. Who exactly set this calendar turning is not known, possibly the Olmec but it was refined by the Maya who stated it began on 11-08-3114 BCE and that it is set to complete a great turning on the winter solstice of 2012 which occurs on that day at 11:11 UT.

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Old 12-06-2009, 12:45 PM   #103
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:46 PM   #104
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I think I can answer the question.... ASCENSION...
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Old 12-07-2009, 02:39 PM   #105
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Thanks Boudy and Burgy ... sounds like a double act...

'The Call of the Rainbow Warriors' ... love it ...

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Old 12-09-2009, 09:30 PM   #106
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As we near 2012 the spiral tightens, more and more people will realize the truth of our nature, becoming aware = enlightenment...

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Old 12-10-2009, 01:18 AM   #107
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Yeah 2012,
It will come and go with the normal events such as wars, famine and murders. It would be nice for et discloure but there more chance of a global warming tax.

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Old 12-12-2009, 03:18 PM   #108
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The Mayan New Dawn Dr.Carl Johan Calleman interviews Don Alejandro a Mayan Shaman. Spread the word ! Let anyone know !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1rOXHnI_lU

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Old 12-13-2009, 03:02 AM   #109
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The Mayan New Dawn Dr.Carl Johan Calleman interviews Don Alejandro a Mayan Shaman. Spread the word ! Let anyone know !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1rOXHnI_lU

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This small interview worth more than hours of interpretation from people who have much to gain by carrying a plan of influence over the masses.

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Old 12-13-2009, 03:12 AM   #110
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Hi Steve,

IF the S....t going to hit the fan it will happen so why worry live for today not tommorow my friend and face the issue when it comes in 2012. Furthermore, if we are living bilogical
suits and our souls moves onto another let it be.

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Old 12-13-2009, 03:41 AM   #111
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The race will divide. Not everyone will ascend. This is the reason why we have been kept down with fear to prevent us from regaining our heritage of being the Guardians.

There is much more going on than you realize. However, Earth is going to ascend, those that get left behind will continue living in the lower material reality on a lower Earth pattern. As your universe changes inside of you, it will shape around you and harmonize to your frequency. Your vibration determines your fate and your level of awareness.

Everyone will be where they are supposed to be depending on their own spiritual development. There is a natural universal order that takes place.

Life is a virtual expression and journey. Life will never cease to exist. It is only a part of you that splits in the multiverse playground. Behind door number one we have Hell on Earth. Behind door number two we have the Golden Age. Which direction do you want to go? You choose your fate.

This is your journey. You volunteered to be here and experience this transition. We all have a part to play. If you stare at your feet while the Angels fly above, do you see the Angels? If you tremble in the corner of Shadows, can you hear the Choir singing in the distance?

Or do you choose to live in the shadows to find comfort in isolation?
It is your reflection, expression, and motivation that participates in your own comfort zone.

All injustice ends in natural retribution - what have we learned from such tyranny? Can we learn to forgive? Do we dwell on conspiracy? Or do we try to create new harmony in our lives to counterbalance the pain and suffering?
It is a mixture of oil and water. But in the same field of exploration, we can reflect on our choices and come to our own center. We can find that warm light inside us. And by embracing this light we can see more around us.

A stone shall be struck by a sword. Tremors will be the result. The great battle will come. And the spiritual war will finally be over. We can now choose our places. We can now decide how we want to shape the new age. We will take these new energies and learn from our mistakes of the old. A symphony can now be formed to play the music of Love. Wipe away those tears. Get off your knees. Walk into the circle. And become one.
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Old 12-13-2009, 02:18 PM   #112
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IF the S....t going to hit the fan it will happen so why worry live for today not tomorrow my friend and face the issue when it comes in 2012. Furthermore, if we are living biological suits and our souls moves onto another let it be.

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You are absolutely right! I don't worry much tough . Just a little . It is an interesting paradox where it is important on one side and not on the other . I appreciated your reminder...

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Old 12-15-2009, 02:44 PM   #113
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Hey Steven,

This is Mr Callerman thoughts on the recent released films!! Says it all!!!

2012 – The Movie

Last week I made a presentation at a conference on 2012 organized by the Foundation for the Study of Cycles in Albuquerque. Since this was held at the day of the release of Roland Emmerich’s movie 2012 (intentionally released at a Friday the thirteenth) most of the participants went to its first showing after midnight on the same date and so did I. At that time the movie theatre was full and the audience larger than at the 2012 conference we were in where people were discussing the real story of the Mayan calendar. As one might expect nothing was right in the movie 2012 and, what is also noteworthy, it seems that no effort whatever had been made to get it right either. To begin with it supports the urban legend that the Maya predicted that the world would come to an end. This of course is not true. The contemporary Maya do not say that and there is no ancient Mayan source that says this. Instead, what the only existing ancient Mayan inscription says is that when the calendar comes to an end then nine cosmic forces will descend and these nine forces is what serious students of the Mayan calendar are interested in. Hence, this is not a movie I would recommend to anyone, but since I am so involved with the topic I felt I had to see it. I should say however that the movie was not as scary as I had expected based for instance on having seen Independence Day that was made by the same director in the nineties. 2012 is simply a standard Hollywood product with the typical ingredients of presidential worship and sentimental family dramas, that does not give anyone a reason to think more deeply about the topic and maybe this is exactly its purpose. It does however present a few observations that seem relevant from a more serious perspective such as the precarious situation of the US dollar and possible demands for a cancellation of debts. Yet, these phenomena do not really seem connected to the Mayan calendar or results of the cosmic plan in this movie.

The Mayan calendar as a serious description of a cosmic plan is of course not even mentioned or that the real end date has to be something other than December 21, 2012. In fact, overall I cannot say that the movie 2012 is on a more silly level than most New Age ideas of an event happening on the particular date December 21, 2012 (pole shift, Nibiru, galactic alignment or solar flares). In reality no such event could ever have been predicted by the ancient Maya, but to many who do not want to think outside of their existing box these have become urban legends that Hollywood is tapping in to and reinforcing. What the ancient Maya would have been able to do however would have been to sense the shifting energies of time in the same way as thousands of people today are rediscovering the daily use of the Sacred calendar and that there is a reality to the shifting energies that it describes. But to highlight this is far from the purpose of the simplistic interpretations of this movie. The 2012 movie seems to primarily have the purpose of distracting people from the ongoing transformation of consciousness and the associated socio-economic transformation. The best way of doing this is to focus on so-called Earth changes that we really have no reason to believe will happen in the years ahead but yet seems to be the line of thinking to which many people have been wired.

A curious result of the movie, and the fact that at least in one form the Mayan calendar goes mainstream, is that academic scientists have become engaged in debunking its validity and so for instance NASA, and some Mayanists, have issued statements that the world will not come to an end in 2012. While I may agree with that conclusion it seems odd to me, to say the least, to think that astronomers or Mayanists, who have never studied the evolution of consciousness would have anything of relevance to say on the matter. To understand the nine levels of evolution described in the ancient description of the end date it is not sufficient to be an expert in any particular academic discipline such as Mayanism. What is required is that you take a holistic approach integrating knowledge from historical and biological evolution in all of its aspects. To understand the big picture of the Mayan calendar you have to be able to see the patterns of evolution of consciousness and there is no way you will do that by directing telescopes to the sun or the center of the galaxy. Hence, while these astronomers may be able to debunk, and rightly so, a galactic alignment (which happen every year and does not mean anything in particular in 2012), Nibiru or a pole shift, they are not even aware that these are misinterpretations of the Mayan calendar to begin with, which is really about the evolution of consciousness. This shadow boxing where astronomy experts are debunking what the Mayan calendar is not about shows what a strong grip materialism has on people at the current time. The mainstream scientists and the media are simply not letting in the serious research about the Mayan calendar as a consciousness phenomenon and keep emphasizing the date December 21, 2012 to distract people from co-creating a new world. It is so much easier to concoct some simple idea about what will happen in 2012 such as a giant solar flare, a galactic alignment or a magnetic pole shift than to communicate our higher purpose and the necessity for people to participate in the manifestation of the cosmic plan if this is to manifest. This also attests to the difficulty of conveying the existence of a divine plan that operates through quantum shifts in consciousness that are really not directly measurable, but clear from all the effects these have had over billions of years.

It is worrisome that plans are said to be underway by Emmerich to create some kind of a television series on the topic of 2012, since this surely would continue to keep people in the dark about the socioeconomic transformation that is meant to result from the transformation of consciousness. Nonetheless, the very fact that this film was made and some superficial knowledge about the Mayan calendar has reached the mainstream does reflect the fact that people, at least on some level, are becoming aware that this universe has a purpose. Hopefully many will go on to explore this in more serious ways and see that there is indeed hope for humanity if we are willing to co-create it.

http://www.maya-portal.net/blog/carl/2012_movie

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Old 12-15-2009, 03:14 PM   #114
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love the article, thanks viking, big love and peace always, mikey
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does anyone here KNOW what's going to happen in 2012 or is it all speculation on copy/paste from other websites and regurgitated youtube vids?
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does anyone here KNOW what's going to happen in 2012 or is it all speculation on copy/paste from other websites and regurgitated youtube vids?
... What are you doing here?

Thanks Viking for the article, I'm reading it now.

Edit: I have read it all and it is a very important article. Thank you.

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It looks like asking a question, but it is not. You are looking for arguing, are you?

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To be honest i think we all know whats going to happen in 2012 or 2017 or even our last day in this incarnation...the problem is most of us are trying to remember. Some of us dont want to. Some have other agendas altogether. Take your negativity somewhere else for its far from welcome here. Peace always, mikey
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It looks like asking a question, but it is not. You are looking for arguing, are you?

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not at all.

it was an honest question, hoping for an honest response.

haven't gotten any as of yet.
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not at all.

it was an honest question, hoping for an honest response.

haven't gotten any as of yet.
Sorry, but no, it was not an honest question with the intention your are describing. So no honest question, no honest answer.

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Hi Arcora

Have you not read the original post within this thread...?? It's neither copy or pasted!!! ... MY WORDS.

If you haven't read it please do.

As to what we know or believe might happen. I don't think there is a single person on this planet who could honestly say they know exactly what will happen...this is why we are all here to learn truths and pick up knowledge from each other. There are many ideas floating around and we are picking up pieces and trying connect the dots. If you have any input with reagrds to this topic please share.

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Have you not read the original post within this thread...?? It's neither copy or pasted!!! ... MY WORDS.

If you haven't read it please do.

As to what we know or believe might happen. I don't think there is a single person on this planet who could honestly say they know exactly what will happen...this is why we are all here to learn truths and pick up knowledge from each other. There are many ideas floating around and we are picking up pieces and trying connect the dots. If you have any input with reagrds to this topic please share.

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Well put Viking, as usual. Arcora,It is essential that people do the ground work to learn and absorb for themselves what 2012 is all about, because it is more than a 3d material world shift. It is a shift in human consciousness. Each person has to follow his own path.

As for the movie 2012, I too expected more. It did not even touch on the spiritual aspect of what 2012 is about. They had a great opportunity to spread the word about the ongoing process of our human consciousness evolution and they blew it. What a shame.
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just had to pop this on your thread viking....
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Thanks Yiolas .... and Boudy thank for the Piccie...



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