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Old 09-22-2009, 03:08 AM   #26
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I didn't hear Bill say anything about starting late. The intro opened with Kerry introducing Jordan, as he was seated next to her. I just found it strange that Kerry stated at the beginning of David's presentation that he had two hours, but yet was given an extra 37 minutes, while Jordan's time was reduced. Also, I remember Kerry saying in another one that the speaker may go over 10 or so minutes, and that seemed okay with everyone. It's just an observation on my end, because I would have been interested in another 12 minutes of Jordan's final thoughts. I haven't listened to Alfred yet, so I didn't hear the announcement about the hospital thing with Peterson. I do remember Bill saying that he had been promised that Peterson would be there on Friday night, and they had not yet heard from him. Too bad about the kidney stone. His lecture would have been interesting.
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I didn't hear Bill say anything about starting late. The intro opened with Kerry introducing Jordan, as he was seated next to her. I just found it strange that Kerry stated at the beginning of David's presentation that he had two hours, but yet was given an extra 37 minutes, while Jordan's time was reduced. Also, I remember Kerry saying in another one that the speaker may go over 10 or so minutes, and that seemed okay with everyone. It's just an observation on my end, because I would have been interested in another 12 minutes of Jordan's final thoughts. I haven't listened to Alfred yet, so I didn't hear the announcement about the hospital thing with Peterson. I do remember Bill saying that he had been promised that Peterson would be there on Friday night, and they had not yet heard from him. Too bad about the kidney stone. His lecture would have been interesting.
Hi happy.
maybe they favored David's time since he's so involved with PC and they know him for this long?
I know from following Jordan, he really doesn't get the credit he deserves. This man is like a book and for some reason he just doesnt receive the air time or interviews that I know would benefit humanity on so many levels. he has mentioned before that tptb will let him talk as long as it doesn;t reach too many people and he;s also a very humble man in my opinion and i also wish B&K would interview him. The information he presents is always very controversial, but the man has been studying esoteric knowledge and other things for over 40 years and how in the world does this get put under the rug so much in mind blogling to me.
Maybe B&K will interview him in the future. maybe not.
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Old 09-22-2009, 04:22 AM   #28
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Hey deb! You're so right, he doesn't get the attention or credit he deserves, AND Kerry even said that in her introduction of him. That was another reason I was stunned when she cut him off. David is on the radio, several Camelot interviews, has movies in the works, etc. He has exposure, and Jordan does not. I feel that it was an injustice to Jordan. He has devoted his lifetime to research, in an area that interests HIM, and controversial as it is, he should be allowed to share that. I don't agree with everything that all interviewees or presenters put out there, but that's where we are each individuals and have to decide what works for us. Lots of people adore David. I have tried many times to listen to him with an open mind, but at the end, I have a boggled mind. He just doesn't ring true to my heart. We all have our own journey. I simply wish that when someone is being questioned about their beliefs, they be permitted to do so. Thanks for your input deb!
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I think that Kerry was very rude to Jordan as well
I must admit to not being a fan of hers
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:33 AM   #30
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I just watched Jordan Maxwell...and was surprised by the short and abruptly terminated presentation. Was this the amount of time he was allotted? Did he know in advance that he would have 47 minutes? Was he given a 5 minute warning to bring his presentation to a conclusion? It seemed odd that he was cut-off mid sentence when he was making a connection between the Vatican and the Nazi's. Did someone pull the plug on Camelot? Probably not...but it did seem strange. I think the Vatican gets told what to do by malevolent non-humans...and then they tell everyone else what to do. I don't think the Vatican is happy about this arrangement...but they do what they think they have to do. Who knows...Lucifer may be told what to do by Orion, Draco, or Sirius. This is pseudo-intellectual conjecture. These subjects really do need to be addressed in detail by credible writers and speakers in an honest, fair, and tactful manner. There is no easy way to deal with our history in an intellectually honest manner. So much of it is evil, corrupt, and horrific. Here is a video which is a bit tedious to view...and which is quite upsetting regarding Vatican/Nazi atrocities.

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Old 09-22-2009, 09:50 AM   #31
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Well, what if he meant positive ions? I frequently hear people error in their words. Those effects are the effect of positive ions such as seen with Santa Anna winds in S. California.
Yes I agree people do error on their words now and again!

That is not the case here, this is a case of somebody having a little information that's flawed and they become dangerous with their version of science.His B#¤%S%&/t has caught up with him and I'm NOT letting these frauds get away with it any longer.

You see I deliberately left out mentioning the other side of Ions, "positive ions" affects effects just in case somebody would ask this good question.

You see even if George Green had said they were POSITIVE + ions his argument would be flawed! You see + & - ions in the atmosphere have the same affect on us all, its just that positive ions pick up dust sand etc in the water molecule which makes the air, such as the Santa Ana or Sirocco winds unpleasant for people.Its not the ion its the garbage it picks up.

The actual values of the ion concentrations depend strongly on the concentration of aerosols particles or pollutants,these are the things that make people feel bad!


These differences are caused by the positive ions having a lower mobility than do negative ions (1.4•10–4 m2V–1s–1 and 1.8•10–4 m2V–1s–1, respectively).But neither are superior or inferior, if for example those ionisation machines people buy could be produced for positive ions cheaply and without picking up and throwing off dust, the affect would be the same on the atmosphere we perceive as invigorating. These ions are mobile charge carriers that dissipate in atmosphere very quickly and cannot travel hundreds of miles over mountain ranges or through space without loosing their charge.

Basically the ying and yang + - is there, but neither better or worse or deadly because only what gave off the ions is deadly and that's in the cosmos! Its called Radiation which cause X-rays which bleed off ions which are charged particles that quickly decay.

Yes ions are produced in all radiation or x-ray places! That's why the X-ray department in hospitals always seems so fresh!

Anyway George Green did not know what he was talking about on this matter period and I will debate him any time, bring it on George.You know? I know I wont hear a peep from him or the other repeaters!

Nobody seems to wonder why these guys don't site, scientific papers or research of scientist or any evidence so people can check out their sources! The reason is because they are repeating other repeaters who have picked up on one bit of flawed science embellished it and ran with it.That's why they come with this was from a high level secret source in top level 47b,black secret government told me! Yeah right they told you who they know will tell us! Yeah right!

As I always quote "How can you trust people with large matters when you cannot trust them with small matters"??? This is very, very relevant to this one point that was wrong totally and in every way, that needed exposing.

Because too many people are innocently listening to these people and believe every word they are being told is the truth, when they are not!

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Old 09-22-2009, 10:52 AM   #32
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Wow Baron! Aren't you just a bundle of positive reinforcement! The weight-slam was below the belt...or was it above the belt? B&K aren't getting rich in this business...I don't think. But I wouldn't have a problem if they were. The good people should make the big-bucks...not the other way around...like it usually is.

I haven't watched all of the speakers yet...but I really liked Robert Dean and Alex Collier. Dean is a wise owl. He should be carefully listened to. I love Alex...but I still have question-marks regarding his sources. Also...does the holographic paradigm leave the Constitution unmolested? I think so...but I'm not sure. Also...I see no problem with money...as long as the corruption level is kept to an absolute minimum. Work and innovation should be appropriately rewarded. At what point do we leave the Constitutional free-enterpise system...and become socialists and collectivists? Do we really need to be mentored by ET's...or do we simply need the ET's (and who knows who else?) to leave us alone? Finally...I'm a fan of physicality...as long as it is combined with responsible freedom and spirituality. I'll be lucky if I can maintain 3D...and not fall into 2D or 1D. Will many people 'ascend into the rep-realm'? Is the 'rep-realm' between us and the benevloent ET's? Do we really need to get our psychological, ethical, spiritual, and governance houses in order before we 'ascend'? Is the rep-realm sort of like the Van Allen Belt? Are we in a net right now?
I'm not hear for positive reinforcement or entertainment and feel good factors, I'm hear to find any new nuggets of truth amongst the slag! Its unfortunate for us some of these speakers have been dug up again that I and many others proved them frauds the first time they came out of their hovel!

To think new listeners think they are finding new truthful information when they are not! I Don't want others to go through the long tiresome boring process of finding out that most of these people are fantasists liars and day dreamers, some started off with a valid experience a UFO sighting or extra ordinary event, and because of radio, TV,conferences, talk shows etc have embellished their lives and experience to stay on this addictive bandwagon of a sort which gives off a kind of glory and adoration that is normally only reserved for sports or movie stars and they are caught on this roller-coaster of false hoods based perhaps on one small old truth, and they cannot stop themselves for whatever reason.

You know they are so very private but they agree to be brought out time and time again to repeat their mantra!$$$$$$ Case in point the super secret Arthur Neumann/Henry Deacon he could not resist the glory and came out of the closest! WHY? Take a guess! $Adoration$ excitement travel...

The fat point as I explained was nothing personal,it was connected to a very valid question.If he's in contact with an Andromedian mentor why is that mentor not mentoring to him to take care of his health so this mentor can keep mentoring him? Or maybe this mentor is sick of this guy and wants to find a new sexy blonde to mentor instead? So is not concerned with his health and well being! I'm being facetious of course.

Also my comment about what Camelot would have earned if they sold out the conference as I would have thought, was just factual information totally neutral.


This brings me to the other aspect of all this many are in this for the money or to earn a living out of it. Now that's ok by me if their information is the TRUTH and factual and not more repeats of repeats of repeaters by repeaters.As for conferences if this gives Bill and Kerry extra funds to interview real whistle-blowers or people with interesting new information we don't get from the MSM media who are actually going to tell us something new and truthful,well that's all good for them.

But when its for just more of the same of the same, questions of their motives sparks me awake! I cringed when I watched Marcia Shafer bringing up that excuse that some question their motives when they are earning a living out of this alternative information! How many times and how long can you tell about an experience or disclose some high level information? The matter is this is where embellishments and lies come in, they need to produce more and more to feed this ever growing following and often financially rewarding career as for Marcia, or at least braking even hey its better than working for a living.

The only way to find the truth is to slag off the slag to find the rare nuggets out there.

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Old 09-22-2009, 02:59 PM   #33
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I personally don't have any problem with Bill and Kerry making some money out of this. Thanks to them, thousands of people worlwide have awakened and they work from their hearts. Perhaps sometimes I don't agree with how Kerry treats some people but it is a minor thing compared with the good she does.
Regarding comments about people's looks I absolutely disagree with those, maybe the only one I saw a valid one would be about Dr. Deagle being he a physician is a complete contradiction.
Judgement is one of the thing that keeps us trapped here, besides who can claim perfection? Nobody knows the pains and problems others have in their lives so we really shouldn't judge.
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Old 09-22-2009, 04:18 PM   #34
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..Judgement is one of the thing that keeps us trapped here, besides who can claim perfection? Nobody knows the pains and problems others have in their lives so we really shouldn't judge.
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Old 09-22-2009, 04:50 PM   #35
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Jordan Maxwell is very knowledgable and I too think he was "put off" I didnt like and I would of loved to hear more, but then I'm not paying to see it so I shouldnt argue.

I think that B&K are doing a good job but there is always so much negativeity after their interviews as of late.

They clearly show favortism and to be that is egotistic Unless David Wilcock is paying half the cost. Who knows.

For Jordan Maxwell to be treated that way was a shame. Shame on you Kerry for cutting him off. His words were the first to ever wake me up on the symbolisms in the world and there were alot of people that were watching the videos for the very first time. My friends and others that were asked to view. What kind of impression does it make?

Jordan was one of the very first people to ever come forward with this information and I'm very proud of his works. And guess what ? He didnt charge for it. it was on you tube

Can anyone name all the wonderful people that have come out and done presentations and told us the absolute truth for FREE ?

Quite a few and to them I give my appreciation and trust me they would not get anyless less than my uppermost respect. Bless them all.....They know who they are
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David Wilcock does a rubbish English accent
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I would have loved to hear Jordon Maxwell for 2 to 3 hours. 47 minutes was just like getting a lil nibble darn it! Would someone please sit down with him and do an interview, write a book encompassing what he's gotten up til now?

I think Mr. Maxwell is probably one of the few I really do trust and like listening to. I did enjoy Alex Collier's lecture, and found it very interesting. I don't normally trust much channeled or my alien friends taught me ____, but I do like Mr. Collier quite a bit in this lecture.

I don't really like DW much, and I can't say why. It's just something about him that puts my hackles up and BS meter go pinging off the charts. I'll listen to his lecture though and at least not be a hypocrite by not listening to him. I get so irritated when naysayers won't look at FACTUAL data I try to share and just go about spouting off their views without looking at all the evidence.
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David Wilcock gets interesting at about 2 hours in.
But he should leave the jokes out and not try to be funny as he really isn't
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David Wilcock gets interesting at about 2 hours in.
But he should leave the jokes out and not try to be funny as he really isn't



I haven't even listened to him yet. I started to and got distracted. So, now at least I wont waste 2 hours and instead got to the very end
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Ok, I went ahead and watched 2012 the enigma and am 30 min into the camelot conference video. I have to say what he is saying is resonating with me. The other vids I've seen of his did not sit well with me.

I do believe our attitude and decisions of self acceptance will have a great deal of affect to the world we create now and into the future so, I have no complaints of his talk. I recommend it if it means anything to those reading here.

It is sort of spirituality 101 at this point.
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Old 09-23-2009, 01:30 AM   #41
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Swanny, you think DW has a terrible English accent, you should hear mine

Well, since the first time I listened to David on Camelot, he just struck me as someone who is conceited and full of self adoration, and his information has done nothing for me. I respect those who are into what he puts out there, he's just not my cup of coffee. I did, in spite of myself, attempt to listen to his weekend presentation after Jordan, but half an hour into it, I couldn't help myself and hit the "stop" button.

I agree that Bill and Kerry have helped a lot of people, and I do appreciate their efforts, one in particular being that I can be part of the Avalon crew. I know that we all have our own gifts, some come naturally and others must be developed. I just wish that Kerry could develop the art of non-interruptive courtesy and become a more polished, professional speaker/interviewer. I have been on another forum where I don't post, but have seen numerous posts where people have decided that they don't like Camelot because of Kerry's "interviewing style". On the other hand, I always read praises about what Bill says and his behavior, and I agree that Bill has a nicer touch. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Camelot may be able to attract larger numbers of people, which would result in more financial support, if the approach were different. Compared to the number of followers that other groups have (such as Exopolitics, MUFON, etc.) the numbers are way low for Camelot. We can help spread the word about what B&K are doing, but we have to have something that sells itself when people take time to view it.
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I would have loved to hear Jordon Maxwell for 2 to 3 hours. 47 minutes was just like getting a lil nibble darn it! Would someone please sit down with him and do an interview, write a book encompassing what he's gotten up til now?

I think Mr. Maxwell is probably one of the few I really do trust and like listening to. I did enjoy Alex Collier's lecture, and found it very interesting. I don't normally trust much channeled or my alien friends taught me ____, but I do like Mr. Collier quite a bit in this lecture.

I don't really like DW much, and I can't say why. It's just something about him that puts my hackles up and BS meter go pinging off the charts. I'll listen to his lecture though and at least not be a hypocrite by not listening to him. I get so irritated when naysayers won't look at FACTUAL data I try to share and just go about spouting off their views without looking at all the evidence.
I have not bothered to listen to "Jordan Maxwell aka "Russell Pine" aka "Jordanus Maximus" for many years after finding him out to be a Bull S¤#ter liar and fraud. So I watched this latest presentation from the conference.Yes he sounds very "illuminating" and even I got drawn in for the ride for a short while at least, even when I know better that he's full of false hoods and inaccuracies, which started to flood out! A couple of things I will point out here, that were totally wrong and off his crazy wall YOU heard...

(1) Who heard him say that Vikings wore "HORNS"? That is complete nonsense! The Vikings NEVER wore horns except in Hollywood movies! This was not only impractical but it would have been lethal as an enemy would have something to grab onto in combat.Vikings drank Ale out of horns! Historical fact. Viking helmets were like "penis heads" that's were the term "Knopp Huved" aka "Dick head" originates from!

(2) Anybody notice him mention the wearing of the Kippa or Yarmulke by Jews is showing subservience to the Roman Catholic church and Pope? That's total bunkum! The Hebrews were wearing the Kippa or Yarmulke before Romans travelled to Palestine or before Roman Christianity was ever established!

The Pope and the Christian Church hierarchy often wear a skullcap, some say its showing subservience to the origins of Christianity,and others say to keep their heads warm in cold churches,when they had a shaved back part of their skulls. It certainly was NOT what Maxwell said it was all about!

(3) When he finished off he put all the blame on our crazy world on the Roman Vatican! (Yes agreed they have a lot to answer for)! But to say its not Zionist illuminati but Vatican is way off base! That's like saying Muslims run Hollywood! You don't think that its anything to do with him being JEWISH? Or that he is an admitted "Free Mason"?

(4) You know I stopped listening to Russell Pine aka Jordan Maxwell when he told his story of the 6 Terra-dactyls that he saw in Los Angeles in the early 80's!!! Yes he did tell this story!

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I just wish that Kerry could develop the art of non-interruptive courtesy and become a more polished, professional speaker/interviewer. I have been on another forum where I don't post, but have seen numerous posts where people have decided that they don't like Camelot because of Kerry's "interviewing style". On the other hand, I always read praises about what Bill says and his behavior, and I agree that Bill has a nicer touch. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that Camelot may be able to attract larger numbers of people, which would result in more financial support, if the approach were different. Compared to the number of followers that other groups have (such as Exopolitics, MUFON, etc.) the numbers are way low for Camelot. We can help spread the word about what B&K are doing, but we have to have something that sells itself when people take time to view it.
Kerry is not going to change her style of interrupting. I've heard her explain it twice now, once on whistleblower radio and once at the conference. She says - but understand these are my pick of words to paraphrase her - people ramble along with their stories in this programmed mode, and the interruptions break that program and she can get deeper into things not ordinarily revealed. This is a studied approach that works for her and she is doing it intentionally. Bill and Kerry say if you don't like their style there are plenty of other people out there to listen to, such as Conscious Media network, that use the traditional "non-interruptive courtesy and more polished, professional speaker/interviewer" style. They get plenty of kudos for doing what they do they way they do it and she is not changing.

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Hi Karen,
You cannot please everyone and Kerry's interuptions are sometimes do come at the wrong time of the conversation (interview).

However, you do get used to it and Kerry puts the individuals on the spot, I suppose its sink or swim policy he he. How is the USA and Canada!! !! Ready for 2012 and OZ People down under say hello!!

Also when is Bill going to invest in a new hat?

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I too have found the interrupting incredibly annoying, and yes it gets easier to handle over time. And I think knowing the reason why - that she is doing it on purpose - helps the monkey mind to calm down and quit trying to figure how to get the msg to her to be "more professional."

Have you seen the picture of the little girl in the picture mosaic at Project Camelot? Does that look like someone who is going let others push her around? I think I heard Bill say at Vicabamba - you don't put a leash on Kerry.

Are the Americans ready for 2012? Ha, ha, ha .... ha, ha, ha,
Nobody that I know of except people on the forum.
The education system, the Tavistock/Stanford mind control, fluoride, food chemicals,TV, Football, beer and pretzels has everyone well trained to go to jobs they hate and come home and vegetate or socialize/party evenings and weekends.

My kids think I'm a fruitloop, and my mom refuses to believe there is any need to stock up on a few months worth of food. I could go on - but I'm way behind on some work that needs to be done around here...
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Kerry stated straight after cutting Jordan Maxwell short that they should interview him, methinks its as simple as this.
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Kerry is not going to change her style of interrupting. I've heard her explain it twice now, once on whistleblower radio and once at the conference. She says - but understand these are my pick of words to paraphrase her - people ramble along with their stories in this programmed mode, and the interruptions break that program and she can get deeper into things not ordinarily revealed. This is a studied approach that works for her and she is doing it intentionally. Bill and Kerry say if you don't like their style there are plenty of other people out there to listen to, such as Conscious Media network, that use the traditional "non-interruptive courtesy and more polished, professional speaker/interviewer" style. They get plenty of kudos for doing what they do they way they do it and she is not changing.
Maybe no body cares, but I am interpeting Kerry's interuptions as she thinks, she is the only one that knows, and she has a tendency to argue even with Bill. Well too bad for her, because it turns people away from her and she may even be correct. No one is perfect so she might as well let us hear their views also. Let us be the judge and not her. She can take all the kudos she wants but I think her arm is the longest..............

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