Capitalism, Sustainability, and the Possibility of Global Collapse

[Zynox]

Originally Posted by historycircus

If you have credit cards, you could, if you buy these theories, stockpile, and help those who will find you. When the smoke clears, those companies will not be hunting you down.

This theory or conjecture holds at least two risks:

1) I have been sensing the orchestrated collapse for 23 years, so there may be a few tricks and lucky charms still played. One thought on this is they are about ready to bleed the last drops, what would the rush be, maybe they stage 3, 4 or 5 more cycles of doom and totally exhaust all opposition in the process ... this is an antique game played that has gone hyperbolic, but has not concluded.

2) While it is a cool fantasy to extract back from the money changers, there is potential for a new culture of total morale hazardists (tm) and I don't want to exchange one oppression for another. It is fine if people genuinely tried to maintain a mortgage and send their bank jingle mail keys back and walk away, yet, to me, quite another issue to intentionally default. Under that premise, then the next time one feels slighted, they may, through their own conditioning, rinse and repeat this now accepted behavior.

Originally Posted by historycircus

If we face a future where it is up to us to create a new economic system, could we return to the use of the market, or are we better off finding another way? Perhaps a return to principles of exchange? Should we consider some sort of socialism - despite the failures observed in the old USSR?

A start is to peruse books like Healthy Money Healthy Planet, and take it a step at a time, in logistical sequence, something perhaps, like:

*) Read Cra$hmaker: A Federal Affaire

0) Bring every US soldier home and teach them to repair the failing infrastructure or arrest corrupt politicians, judges and corporate executives
1) Disband every alphabet soup agency
2) Dump IRS
3) Dump Federal Reserve
4) Tax US corporations or any corporation based upon US sales
5) Use a sales tax only on discretionary items to make up shortfall
6) Legalize all drugs and freeze the funding source of money laundering and covert operations
7) Slowly watch the impact of the first 6 steps and create the next steps
8) Figure out if we want to replace the executive branch, courts and congress since Ron Paul and a few others would be so lonely after step 0 above.
9) Let the other nations decide what they want to do in their sovereign zones ... and use the fancy haarp and other undisclosed weapons to protect the borders until things evolve across the globe ... perhaps instituting that everyone running for the temporary management replacement for congress has a son or daughter in the military concurrently with the parent's single term ... I really would not want a military at all, AT ALL, like Costa Rica, but these issues must be addressed ....

~ the government IS AN ANARCHY, they wanna keep you out of that playground ~

[RaKaR]

Hi Historiycircus,

I don't know about the USSR model; what is almost certain though is that we have to find some other way of running the economy, integrating it in the wider phenomenon, which Existence is.

Bear also in mind that the USSR , historically, was a premature, rather artificially created and implimented(maybe even forced) upon People and the Objective Circumstances.
The USSR jumped from Feodalism to Socialism, ignoring the necessary phase of Capitalistic Experience, which Experience in its turn should at a certain point evolve into Socialism, where some harmony should be between and
in the interaction, cooperation Mankind-Nature-Other Life Forms.
The technological, scientific and technical progres, which capitalism creates, should facilitate and render the next step possible, for People free of the need and fear of solely physical survivor(food, water, shelter...), would develop Spritually and grow towards a better understanding of the complexity of Life, beginning with the realization of the Oneness of all Life Forms in the inner principles and natural Laws of Earth - the fellow Human Being in the first place.

A closed look, would reveal that the small Communities who are now(forcefully!) trying to create with the precious assistance of Project Avalon( thanks, Kerry and Bill!) are but an expression of that necessary historical step, were we to survive our own madness.

Regards,

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[peacelovinman]

Good post and thoughts from all.

The American "Corporation" is bankrupt and is collapsing but I sincerely hope it doesn't take all the good folks with it.

As for Russia, my belief is that the truth about how life has changed there has been kept from us. Look at this for instance:

http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/313/

A return to sociallism? I think the time of the "isms" to solve our challenges is gone - what we need are communities based on trust, caring and service.

[gwynned]

Originally Posted by peacelovinman

Good post and thoughts from all.

The American "Corporation" is bankrupt and is collapsing but I sincerely hope it doesn't take all the good folks with it.

As for Russia, my belief is that the truth about how life has changed there has been kept from us. Look at this for instance:

http://carolynbaker.net/site/content/view/313/

A return to sociallism? I think the time of the "isms" to solve our challenges is gone - what we need are communities based on trust, caring and service.

Interesting link and thanks. Russia has certainly gone through transformations, though it would appear on the surface that the eco-villages are simply a return to the earlier community farms with the addition of environmentalism. While I share your distrust of 'isms,' I question the pragmatism of creating small communities that do not share an ideology. There have been movements over the centuries of people attempting the same thing which have failed. The communes of the 60s are a case in point.

Besides, I don't think any of us would want to forego all of the benefits that have come from globalization - including the internet - and go back to laboring for long hours just to sustain ourselves.

[peacelovinman]

Originally Posted by gwynned

Interesting link and thanks. Russia has certainly gone through transformations, though it would appear on the surface that the eco-villages are simply a return to the earlier community farms with the addition of environmentalism. While I share your distrust of 'isms,' I question the pragmatism of creating small communities that do not share an ideology. There have been movements over the centuries of people attempting the same thing which have failed. The communes of the 60s are a case in point.

Besides, I don't think any of us would want to forego all of the benefits that have come from globalization - including the internet - and go back to laboring for long hours just to sustain ourselves.

Thanks for your reply to my comments. You raise interesting points which I'd like to address.

The eco-villages, I believe , have a similar aim to the community farms; that is, to benefit the Russian economy. I have posted elsewhere the contribution that the cooperatives have made to the Russian agricultural economy, amounting to 2.3% of Russian GDP in 2004, for instance. However, the eco-village movement is different in that it takes advantage of a recent Russian law change which allows individuals/families to take up land, free of charge, in order to support themselves/their family. All produce is tax free and the land is yours to pass on to your family. As for an ideology behind it, I agree that a community movement needs one. The ideology for the Russian eco-villages, the "Kins Domain" concept, comes from the books by Vladimir Megre which I can thoroughly recommend.

Your last comment, with respect, I think typifies the point of view that a living from the land is a return to the dark ages. I already labour long hours in a job just to sustain myself and my family, a job which unfortunately exists only to support the economic system which is doing so much damage to our world. I would gladly exchange that meaningless labour for a chance to develop my own domain on land I own, deriving as much of my survival needs as I could from it. In addition, I would welcome the chance to reconnect with the Earth and my fellow Human Beings in a spirit of cooperation rather than competition, which our present economic system relies on. I believe I could do it, with a suitable support system, in less time than I devote to my job.

I do agree with you that we don't need to be "luddites" and dispose of technology, only use it for good. I believe there is much surpressed technology which needs to come to the fore, technonolgy that could solve our energy problems once and for all, for instance. I believe that living in a way which does no harm to the Earth and to others will have other, non-tangible/spiritual benefits. As we expand our consciousness, we will free our minds to invent all kinds of clean/ethical technology which will benefit all.

This is my hope, anyway!

Good post P and G,

Will these communities really need a unifying ideology? Or will the pragmatic necessities of reproducing society amid the theorized impending calamities be enough? I would hate emergent "radiant zones" to not be an option for the needy simply because they don't buy into a particular philosophy.

Permit me a second thought: Pre-capitalist (exchange), capitalist and socialist modes of production require a centralized form of resource management, but of the three, pre-capitalist modes of production require the least amount of centralization for efficient and fair resource use. Since centralization is the road to corruption - at least historically - should we be creating economic models for the future based on exchange economics? Should that be our focus, in terms of economy, in our plans to feed and clothe the "radiant zones?"

[matrix]

It will be something completely new and synergistic, a little bit of all and then some more... Order out of chaos - works for those with positive and negative intent - the question will be - who decides on the new order?

Economics rules all other subjects and values in today’s world, we need to understand why this illusionary and unsustainable system rule our very existence, before we can begin to shift to the new paradigm.

To change to a more just, equitable and sustainable “need” paradigm, the understanding of how the current economy works, with its consequences for people, society and ecosystems is needed. In my opinion true wealth stems from the earth and all her resources and a local economy based on the skillful, sensitive use of local, natural resources will provide the best foundation for a sustainable economic future.

[Zynox]

Exceptional ideas and discussion here. This is becoming a very impacting thread for me, these are the important, challenging questions.

I keep forming a strong emotion, that we arrived here in steps and sequences, and the most successful transformations will probably be in transitions away from here. While there will be total 'radical' changes attempted by some, the next genuine waves feel like they will be sequenced.

At each step, there will be new wisdom gained from the previous step.

I find this handy as I read these posts, and imagine if we had, as one option, really productive agri-communities with some of the 'luxuries' of the current day, afforded through released alternative and progressive energy systems. After long hours in the field, an opportunity to surf the web to connect with other communities, like we are here, and now.

~ namaste ~

Hi Matrix,

I appreciate your comments, and your optimism. I bring up these issues though, for preparation purposes. Much of what we do may end up being "on the fly," so to speak, but I'm just throwing this stuff out for debate now while we still have the luxury of discussion, and are not burdened by the necessity of action.

[matrix]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Good post P and G,

Will these communities really need a unifying ideology? Or will the pragmatic necessities of reproducing society amid the theorized impending calamities be enough? I would hate emergent "radiant zones" to not be an option for the needy simply because they don't buy into a particular philosophy.

Permit me a second thought: Pre-capitalist (exchange), capitalist and socialist modes of production require a centralized form of resource management, but of the three, pre-capitalist modes of production require the least amount of centralization for efficient and fair resource use. Since centralization is the road to corruption - at least historically - should we be creating economic models for the future based on exchange economics? Should that be our focus, in terms of economy, in our plans to feed and clothe the "radiant zones?"

I have mentioned this in anorther thread - Unity amidst diversity is of utmost importance, in my opinion. There must be a shared value system or worldview, while diversity and different philosophies must not only be accepted, but actually honoured and celebrated.

Cutting edge technology (with the matching consciousness) will be an integral part of a new economy. Thinking more in terms of Free Energy and Anti-gravity as opposed to petroleum …that will be a momentous leap torwards a new economic model...

[matrix]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Hi Matrix,

I appreciate your comments, and your optimism. I bring up these issues though, for preparation purposes. Much of what we do may end up being "on the fly," so to speak, but I'm just throwing this stuff out for debate now while we still have the luxury of discussion, and are not burdened by the necessity of action.

Thanks, Historycircus, I have felt the necessity of action in my personal journey. I am in the fortunate position to answer that inner calling to go and look for workable solutions. Here is a part of a "letter of declaration" that I wrote to my friends:

“You earn, you buy, Pay taxes and die” enslavement of the human race has been the accepted norm. I look around me and I see how people struggle in a robotic way to make sense of their world, to cover their debts/expenses, to earn a living. I see how we are manipulated by the “men behind the curtain”. I see people killed in senseless wars, children die of hunger and preventable diseases. I see how we busy ourselves with mind-numbing entertainment and -activities to silence our spirit’s cry for freedom, growth and a just world.

Mammon is busy winning the game…welcome to the New World Order… meet your new masters… We need a New World Consciousness to counter this. All is not lost - Shift happens…there are many waking up to the new realities, little pockets of light all over the globe are busy lighting up.

Now that I know that “all life is a stage”, that I have seen through the illusions and urgency of our time what can I do to empower myself and others? There is Knowing, then there is Doing and Being. Now that I Know, what am I to Do? My answer? Just walk away from the illusion and deception of the money trap, turn away from “the system”. This new World Order pyramid of power and manipulation is build upon You and Me at the base. If enough of us step out of it, this pyramid will come crumbling down.

Co-create your new reality. Become self sufficient. Find community with like-minded individuals to do it with. The answer might not be the same for everybody – find your own personal answer, educate yourself, become knowledgeable about the NWO and their occult agenda, then DO something with that new knowledge, plant, learn, move, grow, share…shift. Do in order to Be your own true self – let your light shine.

We stand on a threshold of a New World paradigm... I am walking away from the Old paradigm…hopeful that I will discover more of my true self while exploring new concepts of existence and enjoying the flow of life…I am off in three weeks time in search of an eco community… I might be the one “wandering” through your neighbourhood…so please, be nice to strangers...

****
The varied responses to this open letter was amazing to say the least - old friends lost, new friends found. I will need you guys to carry on this debate and find workable solutions...fast!

[Zynox]

Originally Posted by matrix

Economics rules all other subjects and values in today’s world, we need to understand why this illusionary and unsustainable system rule our very existence, before we can begin to shift to the new paradigm.

To change to a more just, equitable and sustainable “need” paradigm, the understanding of how the current economy works, with its consequences for people, society and ecosystems is needed. In my opinion true wealth stems from the earth and all her resources and a local economy based on the skillful, sensitive use of local, natural resources will provide the best foundation for a sustainable economic future.

My friend, seems to me we might find some of these answers looking at Gaia's creatures and processes. While we might not get the most human progressive clues from some elements of the animal kingdom, some species might be constructive and the flora seems to have really worked an amazing balance out. The answers aren't all there, but often simple wisdom gets discarded for the exotic and complex, like derivatives, structured investment vehicles and resolution trusts.

~ namaste ~

[Zynox]

Originally Posted by matrix

Here is a part of a "letter of declaration" that I wrote to my friends:

Matrix, wow, I have already sent that to some close friends and a link to this thread, letting them know what creative work is happening, which they may not be aware of. I have taken the liberty of initiating your meme, which is also my meme, beyond the shores here.

I nominate thee to the future community committee of sustainable rational ideas, and note that there is no 'ism' included ...

~ in great respect of matrix, for the shared creativity, and my next Bumper Sticker > SHIFT HAPPENS ~

[RaKaR]

Hello all,

Good discussion, deep thoughts being shared indeed - and Zynox, you drew a pretty charming perspective there. I definitely would like to live this type of simple, meanful existence!

I truly do not have much to add to your stances, gentlemen; i just would like to suggest not to focus too much on the names which would eventually be used to designate the kind of future reality we all long for, crave for and - judging by the mood on this Forum - which we are, this time, really willing to create and sustain.
The 'isms' and what we used to identify with them should also belong to the past paradigm; what really matter, in my humble view, is the substance, the degree of Wisdom and self awareness upon which we would base our future thoughts, decisions, choices and actions.
Call it 'social project'; 'Enlightened Capitalism';'Higher Natural Existence' ...what ever you think suits, it does not matter much. Only the content does.

Peace and Wisdom.
Rakar.
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

Rakar and Zynox,

You both make good points, which has me asking yet another question. Can we not take what has worked (in terms of economic behavior), what has been valuable to our existence here, with us when we cross the threshhold of whatever is coming? Must we throw the baby out with the bathwater, or is that a terrible way to conceptualize our potential situations?

[Zynox]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Can we not take what has worked (in terms of economic behavior), what has been valuable to our existence here, with us when we cross the threshhold of whatever is coming? Must we throw the baby out with the bathwater, or is that a terrible way to conceptualize our potential situations?

Fantastic inquiry m'dear chap! I feel our highest intelligence, collectively, would be to transition in steps, casting off the obvious crust and at each step focusing on key points, such as that we are in transition (always are, so why pretend otherwise) and that we select from the myriad of options that most closely fit a generalized collective vision (we will not find a perfect unified solution) knowing that we have laid a harmoniously colored brick roughly oriented towards the next on our path. I sense precious metals will be one transitional tool from my review of 'his-clown-story' and evidence that when gold is distributed throughout the population and used as one of several mechanisms of exchange, it imposes constraints on psychopathic tyranny ...

The way I see it, pursuit of spirituality and creativity, my inspirational sources of harmony, are much more prominent focuses when I'm not scrambling to 'survive'. Sure, survival is the root, on many levels, for some awesome poetry, but we have a lot of that from the past to read.

It seems to me this is exactly what the 'common' people, like me, are waking up to in the US regarding the problem/reaction/solution oriented fix the Fed and Treasury have begun to implement, which is:

WE ARE SO SMART WE DIDN'T SEE IT COMING
WE ARE NOW SO SMART WE MUST DO IT TODAY
IT WILL BE DOOM IF WE DELAY
IT IS THE ONLY ANSWER
GIVE ME MORE POWER
WE'LL BE BACK
for more ...

~ namaste ~

Is not the buying of gold the "reaction" in the problem/reaction/solution paradigm that we have all been force fed a "reaction" that keeps us part of the malevolent equation? Can we not place that next brick to focus our path in whatever direction we choose? Especially now?

Can the purchase of precious metals now somehow alleviate the financial collapse of the future? For those with short term visions, are China and Russia in talks over returning their currencies to a gold standard? Will that happen?

For the long term visionaries, will gold or silver get you anything in a "radiant zone," beyond a nostalgic giggle?

More questions for the inclined, no disrespect intended.

[peacelovinman]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Can the purchase of precious metals now somehow alleviate the financial collapse of the future? For those with short term visions, are China and Russia in talks over returning their currencies to a gold standard? Will that happen?

For the long term visionaries, will gold or silver get you anything in a "radiant zone," beyond a nostalgic giggle?

More questions for the inclined, no disrespect intended.

This thread has been very uplifting to me. Thanks to all!

My thought on gold is similar to what history-circus posts above; it is just another "currency" which the majority has agreed has value. However, you can't eat it or use it to shelter so, to me, has no REAL worth.

However, I would concede that going back to a gold standard may be a transition step in our search for a better way of doing things.

I really hope that we can transition ourselves out of this mess rather than experience a total collapse. Time will tell but with guys like you on the team, my spirits are high.

I wonder if we could take this discussion further - on some kind of virtual conference or some-such medium? I sense the beginning of a prototype community amongst the posters on this thread...

[adrenochrome]

everyone might already know this, but for those that don't, Socialism (which Obama promotes) is the transitional stage between Capitalism and Communism. i'm no fan of Capitalism because it's just the first step towards Communism, but i'm also not a fan of government or economics in general. if we are indeed going to have a "spiritual revolution/revelation", then economics will cease to exist - there is NO need for an economy, or government for that matter, unless you support materialism.

[Zynox]

Originally Posted by historycircus

For those with short term visions, are China and Russia in talks over returning their currencies to a gold standard? Will that happen?

For the long term visionaries, will gold or silver get you anything in a "radiant zone," beyond a nostalgic giggle?

I sense from web rumbles, that Russia and China in fact are looking towards a metal backing ... it is so hard to skry this because there are so many spiraling levels to the game in play. What I want to convey, in response, is what if the telepathic skry link is into a middle level consciousness that believes, and is acting, toward this form of action, in some smoky dark bowels of the Chinese and Russian connection? From their isolated, and managed perspective, would tapping their consciousness not simply reveal the gameplan they have been fed? This is my interpretation of risk with most remote viewing technologies, you see through 'their' eyes, filters included! If someone puts food coloring in the skry bowl, whelp, one might perceive murkiness or look at it all with rose colored glasses.

I for one, want to hear myself the butt of nostalgic giggles, in a radiant zone, is the application process long?

~ much enjoyment, from this cyberskry, like bruce cockburn, wonderin' where the lions are ~

[RaKaR]

Hi Gentlemen,

It is a tremendous privilege to share your company on this Forum.
I am glad to see that the discussion has meanwhile gained some even more quality.

I would like to begin with the observation of Zynox, for it is seems to me to be the core of the issue.
Survivor.
Why should the Life of a Human Being be reduced to a matter of pure elementary, physical survival?
Is Earth not generous enough?
Is there not enough food, water and the rest for all Humans?
Are sciences and technologies not providing us - through the hard and noble work and dedication of magnanimous scientists, who, most of the time, do not care about money and live a modest life - with means to eradicate most of diseases and improve the Existence of each and every Human Being?

But what is the current and real state of our affairs?
Allow me to quote a post i placed on another Forum, dealing with slightly the same issue:
"Some people, may be even 2/3 of the Earth population - our own fellow Humans - have every single morning to fight, to look for food and drinking water; those things we, in other parts of the world, take for granted.
I think that this situation is a painful and blunt illustration of the degree of disbalance in which we brought our societies, for the state of World Affairs is such that, in one part of the world, food and other commodities are being wasted, harvest being burned(to keep the prices high/make profit), huge resources are being invested in the military and the conquest of the space, while in another part, a piece of bread and a glass of water are a matter of daily survival and people can hardly keep their Human Dignity; Humans die here of diseases and other 'simple' bacteries, while the remedy is there long ago found - but not made available(also regarding the price) to the needies.
It is a shame; our ways of doing things are below Human Dignity and contain no trace of the Spirituality, which is supposed to be our genuine essence.
We need another, a completely new world order and the teaching of Herr Meier indicates the path to be consciously built and followed."

I would truly appreciate your thoughts on this.
My stance is that it could be a good begin if the elementary means of survival(education, shelter, medicine, food, water...) are made accessible to ALL Human Beings - i would leave the question of the ways and means to reward those producing these commodities for their work to the discretion of the Forum.

Another point.
Overpopulation is a fact.
But it would be, i think, appropriate to distinguish between two sets of problems:
- overpopulation, as a real and urgent problem to be urgently and wisely solved - certainly not the way the so-called 'Illuminaties' see it!
- and the change of The Human Society and the possible models for the future, which question we are here specially focusing on.
(No need to remember you of the 'solution' of the power-to-be or that of those from the shadom!)
In other words, what would be a rational, wise path forward?
Should be carry our past along? Some of the structures being currently issued? Some of those achievements - or as Historycircus put it:"Can we not take what has worked (in terms of economic behavior), what has been valuable to our existence here, with us when we cross the threshhold of whatever is coming? Must we throw the baby out with the bathwater, or is that a terrible way to conceptualize our potential situations?"?
Is it reason concevable to begin from zero?
How would we make it through the first - as a rule, always most challenging moment - steps without that 'backup'?
It seems to me that poverty and misery would arise from the second question only if we choose to stick to the status quo, to the current economic model(s) and the modes of production, distribution and use of created and/of natural resources, which precisely brought us into the ongoing tragic global situation.
The world we now live in is, after all, the world we ourselves created. We can always change, adjust or reject the reality we set up.
There is nothing that forbides us to wisely and with open arms welcome New, never tried Ideas, make some room for them in our Weltanschanschauung, use our creativity and the generosity of Mother-Earth to elevate ourselves, while sharing the opportunities we have with others and hence allowing them and ourselves to realize oneselves and the potentials we all carry within for the good of the New Society and Humanity as a whole.
It is hence a matter of choice, openness, solidarity, wisdom and management.

Bying gold and the like at this stage could be a good, pragmatic move, were the current structure to completly collapse the way Mr Green sees it: it would just be a matter of survival(once again!); a duty we all have towards ourselves and the Higher US we all carry.
We should first survive in order to begin anew.

Regards,
RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

The producer/consumer dichotomy is in fact one of the main reasons I started this thread. "Reward," as you put it does not seem relevent to the future that many here on Avalon expect. But it is a fair topic to consider, as I have stated elswhere, for the "radiant zones" may not end up being uniform (see the comments of Marcia Schaffer). Some pockets may not end up being "radiant zones" at all. Just for the record, I do not believe in extending the "isms" for the "isms" sakes, but within in them might be efficient methods of production and distribution if entered upon with the proper mindset - time should not be wasted reinventing the wheel.

For those who don't anticipate the need to eat or drink in the near future, and who really won't miss fine wines, comfortable chairs, or the beautiful moan of the bass clarinet, the decline of materialism will be a good thing. But for those who like such things, who do not believe in having stuff for the sake of having stuff but believe in having stuff that is fun and socially lubricating, a future where we sit quietly and contemplatively in enlightenment, after a fun day of hoing weeds and cart repair, does not seem like much fun. We are material creatures. Is that bad? Can the "radiant zones" have agriculture and enlightenment, and a good bourbon still operated to the tune of a well played banjo?

Overpopulation is a topic that should be discussed, but I would ask, are we really on the brink of a Malthusian collapse? Or is that propaganda? Is it really our behavior, not our numbers, that has led to the dire environmental circumstances we find ourselves in today?

[Zynox]

RaKar,

In the last 24 hours I have been deeply impacted by remembering the conscious language, through a post by Michael St.Clair. This information, words, energy, has keys for self transformation.

My entire perspective, and assemblage point has shifted most wondrously. I have moved from a mode of discretionary survival preparations into a being of enthusiasm and new energy. I have remembered how to be telepathic, and the world feels much warmer and connected, to me.

I still feel there is a purpose for metals in transition, and potentially much different purposes for them after this current transition.

In other posts, I had noted that I didn't seek or intend to live off the labor of 1, 2, 4, 8 or any multiple of survival slaves (no disrespect intended using this phrase, this is the condition of much of the global population), in '3rd world' locales, or those in the US. Now, I more fully grok what I meant by my own words where I stated I was seeking a micro footprint ... my focus has shifted and now there is no doubt remaining, for me, it is all about communion in love, connections across the ether and my survival energy has been transformed to 'what shall i create today' energy.

I don't feel that overpopulation is fact, i feel it is a meme ... i feel many folks would prefer a lesser population to have more share of pie. I have traveled a few great expanses on the globe that could support current populations, and feel our distribution is simply a matter of agrigarian tenancies followed by industrial tenancies (reference Jarrad Diamond's "Gun's, Germs and Steel") ... if we find a balance and focused use of space on the globe, we will do fine. To get there, requires extensive equalization and horizontal / rhizome structures ... inhabited with wisdom and love, gaia is here for symbiotic nurturing, of us, and we may be, also, for 'her'. Sovereign Choice ... and using our power to convert sea water, tap etheric energies, etc.

Maybe here, or maybe we phase shift, I DUNNO, especially as I feel phase shifted already, now, today.

For HistoryCircus and others, I suggest that we have powers beyond metrics and when tapped, even that glass of wine may feel a touch stale or sour ... there are some interesting 'alternative' bliss paths, my friends ... and maybe we intend great wine, for kicks, and it manifests ... many capacities to be imagined, and created.

for those curious: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=3451

~ namaste ~

Originally Posted by gwynned

.FDR convinced the world that capitalism could be fixed. I hope now, we can at least see that a system based on profit is inherently unsustainable and brutal, one which cannot and should not be 'fixed.'

What would you replace it with?