The Negatively Adept

[GregorArturo]

A couple months ago I had a conversation with my brother that was one of the most interesting I have ever had. My brother is two years younger than me and is going for a business degree at the University of Hartford. As I always said, "He's quantitative, and I'm qualitative. He's easily moved into the rich upper class scene of the greater New York metropolitan area.

We ended up having a three plus hour conversation about what is going on and differing philosophies. He knew of many of the conspiracy theories in great depth, even recent news events in relation to them. He was definitely reading more than your average kid and this was the first time I was really aware of this.

He even had a great deal of faith in these things except... He was on the other side.

Tonight I just finished a conversation with one of my best friend's mom being her mom is best friends with my mom. Well, her mom is the CEO of a large advertising firm here in Portland. The debate started out over the Law of Attraction. I immediately took a stand that it puts forth wishful thinking over positive thought, which I was not a fan with.

And the same thing happened, in domino like fashion with each conversations. They were both well informed of the situation, but were definitely of the negative polarity. And even more importantly I could recognize them as the negatively adept. There was no balance or gray are to the way they swing. They are most certainly in the 90ish percentile of service to self one could say.

With the Law of Attraction, she had stated a notion based on a 1929 notion. She told me to read these three books that all had the phrases 'riches', 'money', and 'wealth' in the titles. I could not even fully comprehend the seriousness of how she was putting this across. I can also tell you both my brother and her are amazingly smooth (and yes, manipulative and sly can be thrown in there) talkers. That is by far their forte. I am more indeed a writer and as my Mayan challenge power is wind (communication) its something I know I've had to work on more than anything (I really didn't start talking fully until five). However, with this notion (oh tangents), we did come to the agreement it wasn't instantaneous, and that it was about a thought form which is putting an energy vibration out into the universe and that is how it manifests. By only true familiarity with the law was presented to me with "The Secret" which did skew the true message.

We were on the same wavelengths for the most part with metaphysics. She asked at one point [like sarcastically and a little cocky], "You know metaphysics?" I really wanted to laugh right here, especially if you guys are familiar with my voice on the forum. And responded of course with a simple 'yes'.

But the overall brick wall we ran into was with the law [as I countered some of her notions with the Law of One], was the Law of Attraction was to help things manifest for YOU, while I said it was for things to manifest to benefit for US. And finally she accepted we had two different philosophies and came to a primitive for of respect for it, as she wasn't going to contradict with a direct [and negative] wrong.

The things I noted I wanted to also share with you from the conversations which you can then recognize yourself. They denied the existence of the philosophy of service to others or the positive polarity. They saw us as 'separate' beings with the goal of life as abundance and joy over learning and growth. They are interrelated but different. I usually like to say abundance and a joy are a byproduct of the latter. The fundamental difference I noticed because of say the denial of the 'other side', [while we most certainly understand it, recognize it, and even more importantly 'respect' its place in nature,] is they are of a more narrow mindset or as one commonly calls 'close minded'. Of the latter mindset, the positive polarity, one tends to be [more] open minded.

They also choose not to recognize the potential of an idealistic state of living, or utopia as most choose to call it. This easily akin to a resource based economy and the Venus Project, and that capitalism can evolve into this. They don't like socialism, and I am a socialist at heart, but we all (as in all of us in the room, as there were a bunch of adults (dinner party) listening in rather intrigued to hear a CEO and 23 year old college student go at it in philosophy) agreed upon the notion for a free capitalist system which is not the case at the moment (as our capitalistic society is much more restricted). However, most would not choose to recognize that the human element will not evolve out of this state of greed and corruption [which those terms they spun around a little as they're too 'negative', and subliminally choose not to be associated with such terms]. I was the only who saw the potential for it to evolve into an idealistic stat based communally (versus self) without money. Lauri (the CEO) would not even recognize the possibility that a society could exist without money.

The capitalist mindset my friends is just as worse as that as Christianity. Remember that. Going and preaching New Age theology, the Law of One, or corrupt politics may get you [and usually always] nowhere. Be weary with your words. You may make those friends more of your enemy. And on that note, maybe there's truth in 'keep yours friends close, and your enemies closer'.

However, the greatest treasure I really have discovered from these discussions is that 'man is inherently good'. And yes woman too. As we are all one Because after those conversations I still gave my brother and Lauri a hug and wished them a good night. I truly do love these people (known Lauri since I was three, same with her daughter) and always will, no matter what. They are family. That also implies why there is no evil in the world. It is only perspective that man came to be distorted or into manifestation into this ever so beautiful of an illusion.

Namaste.

[371]

UHart is expensive, I hope your brother has a scholarship...

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by 371

UHart is expensive, I hope your brother has a scholarship...

He sure does, but I think most of it has run up. However, it doesn't really matter. My parents have a decent (not a ton) amount of money, and well, lets just say my brother has more money than any other 21 year old I know. His incomes include the 'legt', the 'illicit', and the 'you lucky mother *ucker you'. I'll leave it at that.

[samncheese]

Remeber that the law of one was given in the Ra text in the least distorted manner that our language could explain, and each of us expesses it in our own distortions seeking a perfect unity that will not be achieved until we rejoin the eigth density as explained by Ra.

All paths lead to service of self or others, non are static.

Be at peace

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

I was the only who saw the potential for it to evolve into an idealistic stat based communally (versus self) without money

And for the hard times, one just has to burn a pile of that book 'The Secret'

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

However, the greatest treasure I really have discovered from these discussions is that 'man is inherently good'. And yes woman too. As we are all one

salute.

Yep, corrupted........but inherently good.

[Lunaris]

ahahhahahhaha! I TOTALLY AGREE!

i was a model when i was 14-23....so i saw a ton of that stuff you were describing but i always never tainted...but i suffered a LOT from being around only THEM.......any way...i ahd a few boyfriends iw atched turn to that darkness you describe and for my own art career i had to stay away...even to humiliation from "the stars" my ex's...etc etc...argh!....

well i am not sorry for the path i took...even though i was a rough one....

i am glad you see this at your age...you totally beat me by like 10 yrs!...waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

[Humble Janitor]

We may not agree with each other but it's important that we can somehow love each other and even those obsessed with wealth and privilege may someday realize that their journey was a waste of time. It can happen but it depends on a lot of factors.

I am still young and I've found that pursuing wealth would not equate happiness for me. It could stabilize my standard of living but I do not like to hold onto money and I get rid of it pretty quick, as if it's a bad omen or something. Trying to save it and I find that the more I put it away, the less desire I have to spend it. Odd.

[Accipiter_Phi]

The Law of Attraction, taken by itself, is an incomplete doctrine...

There are at least 2 more fundamental & Universal Laws that must be understood in metaphysics:

The Law of Intent (service to self vs service to others) AND

The Law of Allowance.

"The Secret" fad is deeply flawed due to its gross oversights.

[samncheese]

Humble Janitor: Money is just a tool. The love of money is evil according to the bible. but we could all trade shiny rocks and somebody would find a way to get more rocks then everyone else. At the end of the day rocks tast bad.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Accipiter_Phi

The Law of Attraction, taken by itself, is an incomplete doctrine...

There are at least 2 more fundamental & Universal Laws that must be understood in metaphysics:

The Law of Intent (service to self vs service to others) AND

The Law of Allowance.

"The Secret" fad is deeply flawed due to its gross oversights.

also the Law of Balance.

[raulduke]

I've been quoting this from Oliver Cromwell alot lately,

"I beseech you in the bowels of christ think it possible you may be mistaken."

It seems in conversing w/ many adults and young adults (from my exp.), that they are often simply to certain of their certainty for any argument to be effective. I find many are simply waiting to reply rather than listening.

I try as much as possible to see arguments (which I disagree w/) from another point of view, before I refuse them completely. The next step ( and only recourse at that point) is actions. Walk the walk of the talk that you talk, and you will be more likely to gain their respect and thus their attention.

Imo, knowledge is not finite. There is no end all. There is always more to discover, and an open mind is indeed the key to discovery.

[Rareheart]

Nice post Gregor,
I too have a younger brother who graduated from Bucknell and went on to achieve his MBA at The Krannert School of Management at Purdue University.
His first move after graduting: he started his own business in China. A logistics consulting firm.
The difference between us is simple...we define the word "abundance" differently. It seems all I have to do to feel fulfilled inside is to step outside and experience fresh air, sunshine, and marvel at the glorious sky.
Many of us are convinced that "personal fulfillment" exists as a goal to be reached by seeking outside ourselves. We are not complete until those goals are met. The search for fulfillment outside the self is one based on chasing illusion. Satisfaction is a thought, unattainable by those who seek outward.
Understanding the difference between wants and needs is critical to this concept as well.

The 'objects' of true satisfaction are not "ownable"...Air, water, sun. sky...etc.
They fulfill our Earthly needs, without them we would surely perish.
All physical possessions are borrowed. I had the hardest time with this concept when I was 25 and in the process of buying a house. I faced paying for something for the next 30 years that I understood I could not truly own.

the law the law the law the law.....

there is no laws, laws are human inventions, there is only freedom.

action causes reaction = universal law

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by Deoxyan

the law the law the law the law.....

there is no laws, laws are human inventions, there is only freedom.

The laws most people come to understand the term by are yes human inventions, along probably with many other 3rd dimensional being inventions. It's a natural course of action. However, the laws we refer to are universal, and are the only true laws which cannot be denied. The question about what exactly those laws are I would have to say is still up in the air for us humans (The end of this post is one law I am proposing).

Originally Posted by Rareheart

Nice post Gregor,
I too have a younger brother who graduated from Bucknell and went on to achieve his MBA at The Krannert School of Management at Purdue University.
His first move after graduting: he started his own business in China. A logistics consulting firm.
The difference between us is simple...we define the word "abundance" differently. It seems all I have to do to feel fulfilled inside is to step outside and experience fresh air, sunshine, and marvel at the glorious sky.
Many of us are convinced that "personal fulfillment" exists as a goal to be reached by seeking outside ourselves. We are not complete until those goals are met. The search for fulfillment outside the self is one based on chasing illusion. Satisfaction is a thought, unattainable by those who seek outward.
Understanding the difference between wants and needs is critical to this concept as well.

The 'objects' of true satisfaction are not "ownable"...Air, water, sun. sky...etc.
They fulfill our Earthly needs, without them we would surely perish.
All physical possessions are borrowed. I had the hardest time with this concept when I was 25 and in the process of buying a house. I faced paying for something for the next 30 years that I understood I could not truly own.

Ownership is an abstract and erroneous concept that has no true solidity with this universe. The number 6 does not own 4. They are each their own infinities within an infinity.

Originally Posted by raulduke

I've been quoting this from Oliver Cromwell alot lately,

"I beseech you in the bowels of christ think it possible you may be mistaken."

It seems in conversing w/ many adults and young adults (from my exp.), that they are often simply to certain of their certainty for any argument to be effective. I find many are simply waiting to reply rather than listening.

I try as much as possible to see arguments (which I disagree w/) from another point of view, before I refuse them completely. The next step ( and only recourse at that point) is actions. Walk the walk of the talk that you talk, and you will be more likely to gain their respect and thus their attention.

Imo, knowledge is not finite. There is no end all. There is always more to discover, and an open mind is indeed the key to discovery.

Yes, that's why I let her due 70% of the talking. One, there was no winning anything. Two, she is a damn good talker and has thirty years on me in the professional job field. I listened to, and then analyzed her point of view. And I realized, she never even bothered to take mine into any form of consideration or analysis. I learned a lesson. She only boosted her pride and ego in thinking she can out talk a 23 year old in philosophy. But as she said, "this isn't abstract concepts. Screw abstract concepts. This is concrete." And I replied, and which she denied, "My dear, all philosophy for the most part are abstract concepts. That's why we use metaphors."

Also, here is a universal law I came to realization upon All Hallow's Eve that I am referring to as the Law of Natural Progression:
[If] the reason of life is to learn and grow; to understand all that is, however, because knowledge is infinite, one will spend an eternity learning, thus propagating the cyclical cycle of life forever.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by GregorArturo

The laws most people come to understand the term by are yes human inventions, along probably with many other 3rd dimensional being inventions. It's a natural course of action. However, the laws we refer to are universal, and are the only true laws which cannot be denied. The question about what exactly those laws are I would have to say is still up in the air for us humans (The end of this post is one law I am proposing).

Ownership is an abstract and erroneous concept that has no true solidity with this universe. The number 6 does not own 4. They are each their own infinities within an infinity.

Also, here is a universal law I came to realization upon All Hallow's Eve that I am referring to as the Law of Natural Progression:
[If] the reason of life is to learn and grow; to understand all that is, however, because knowledge is infinite, one will spend an eternity learning, thus propagating the cyclical cycle of life forever.

Greg, Great thread.
Your are one of the few exceptionally enlightened minds that are here, at Avalon.

Thats a change from negative junk threads that are too pervasive.
Ok, enough ranting.

When Humanity aligns it's beliefs/will/energy/actions in accordance to Universal Law, change will occur exponentially:
Fear/Enslavement/poverty will be history.

There will be No limits; only 'Infinity'...

take care.