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Old 12-11-2008, 12:02 AM   #1
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http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2008/1...kids-back.html

This simply beggars belief....and many wonder why the schools are turning out zombies.
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Old 12-11-2008, 12:08 AM   #2
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A reply from a teacher in Austin..

" 12/9/08 7:42 PM
Tim Daily said...

Well, I am a school teacher in the Austin Independent School District and while I don't know any "Karen", I am intimately familiar with the rhetoric and attitude. The author here is uncomfortably close to knowing what he's talking about when he speaks of the NEA. We are "encouraged strongly" to discourage the use of anything other than Microsoft products in the school district and between the Tech folks fearing for their jobs and the ignorance of all the "Karens" I deal with daily, it's a wonder the boy wasn't publicly flogged.

I have been trying to get our school district to use Linux for 3 years and I've been told that I am to desist with this quest if I want to keep my job.

Those who questioned the email's authenticity owe him(?) an apology. Of course as I peruse the comments of the sort, I note with a wry smile that you don't have the courage to sign your name to it.

Cowardice is easy. I wish this author well.

Tim Daily"
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Old 12-11-2008, 12:08 AM   #3
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wow...as a retired teacher, i'm not overly surprised. as universities turn out teachers, school boards and bureaucrats turn them into pencil pushers. the public education system is going tom hell in a handbasket....sad, but true....
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Old 12-11-2008, 05:15 AM   #4
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The real reason public school teachers in the United States are not qualified to teach anything is because of the TYPE of degree they are allowed to get. Most major in something called "education," wich really means instead of really learning a discipline and becoming a specialist in it, they get a tiny smattering of everything, and specialize in nothing. Some of the worst performing students in college are "education" majors.

The real question I have is why a bunch of elementary school kids are doing semi-supervised, with a private computer? Do kids that age really need computers to practice math, science, and English? Scrxw the Linnux v. Microsoft debate, why aren't these kids doing something productive, instead of burning free copies of crxppy software?
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:18 AM   #5
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The debate isn't about Microsoft v Linux, it's about a teacher who did not bother to spend two minutes researching the truth about what most of the world knows already.
Linux is also the most widely used OS for web servers, just like this very one we're using now ffs lol.
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:17 PM   #6
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An absolutely excelent example of brainwashing at its best.

Brainwashing (also known as thought reform or re-education) consists of any effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and beliefs in a person — beliefs sometimes unwelcome or in conflict with the person's prior beliefs and knowledge, in order to affect that individual's value system and subsequent thought-patterns and behaviors.

Its the very system of teaching people what to think, and not how to think.

In order for us to brainwash our children effectivly, we must first brainwash our teachers. Obviously many teachers do indeed want what is best for their students, so they must first be de-educated in order to skew their perception in such a way that they believe that the way in which they educate is the correct way.

And as can be seen from this example, 'education' always has an agenda. Be it power, manipulation or money our education system almost always includes a hidden agenda. Why just dumb down a population when you can also profit from their ignorance in the process.

The average adult in 2008 would not be able to complete a school test that was designed for eight graders in the 1800's. Dont believe me?

See for yourself.

1895 TEST
This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 from Salina, Kansas. It was taken from the original document on file at the Smoky Valley Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, Kansas and reprinted by the Salina Journal.
8th Grade Final Exam: Salina, Kansas - 1895


Grammar (Time, one hour)

1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of do, lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7-10. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.


Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)

1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lbs., what is it worth at 50 cts. per bu, deducting 1050 lbs. for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lbs. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest of $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $.20 per inch?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days (no grace) at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.


U.S. History (Time, 45 minutes)

1. Give the epochs into which U.S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, and 1865?


Orthography (Time, one hour)

1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic orthography, etymology, syllabication?
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, subvocals, diphthong, cognate
letters, linguals?
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u'.
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e'. Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: Bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, super.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the
sound: Card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences, Cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.


Geography (Time, one hour)

1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of N.A.
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St.
Helena, Juan Fermandez, Aspinwall and Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give inclination of the earth.



Imagine a college student who went to public school trying to pass this test, even if the few outdated questions were modernized. Imagine their professors even being able to pass the 8th Grade. Can Americans, student and professor alike, get back up to the 8th Grade level of 1895?
I seriously doubt there is anyone in America who could pass this simple test. Some professors could pass the subjects they have a doctorate in, but they would fail the rest.
This is absolute proof that the New World Ordor Gang has succeeded in dumbing down the American people. Is it no wonder few Americans realize they are being led to the slaughter?
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Old 12-11-2008, 02:09 PM   #7
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Excellent example Jack, have you copied this from somewhere on the net? If so can you provide a link?

I doubt if I'd manage much more than half of those questions and I am very well educated by modern standards..
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Old 12-11-2008, 03:57 PM   #8
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I have to jump in here real quick, because I've seen this 1800's "test" pop up a few times on the internet, and while I agree with most of what is being said here, such as teachers and students and pretty much everyone in the educational system being brainwashed, this little piece of gold just bugs me like no tomorrow.

Firstly, as an English major, I actually love the challenge of answering many of those linguistics questions, but you must also realize that this is because I spent time "specializing," as one poster put it, in my language. Did four years of college guarantee me a job? Psh, not as an English major, but I did it for love of what I was studying.

Secondly, this test was taken from the 1800s. The things on this test are relevant to the society that children were brought up in during that time. They are not relevant today. Sure, I can tell you what a diphthong is, but I've gone out for editing jobs, and the bosses really don't give a **** about that.

Yes, most kids today could not complete this test, hell, most adults couldn't for that matter. However, I'd challenge you to go back in time, plop a computer in front of an 1800's student, and ask him to effectively operate Microsoft Word (not to plug Microsoft here or anything, I agree they're a horrible evil... but I digress).

Simply put, education is meant to prepare kids for the world in which they are about to inhabit. I also strongly believe it is about teaching kids how to think, and not what to think. I dislike tests, and I often tell my students they are arbitrary systems of measurement.

I also, on many occasions, bring up classroom discussion on how the government and powers that be control people. My students now know why McDonald's, KFC, Burger King, Wendy's etc, use red and yellow in all their advertising. They understand that they are constantly being lied to, and I try my best to make sure they think for themselves.

That being said, I'm also a teacher at a private institution in South Korea. I have not gone through the "education" major in college, nor have I received any "teaching certificates." I imagine some of the things I talk about here could get me in major trouble were I at a public institution, especially in the States, but my position here allows me the unique opportunity to reach those few I can.

In any case, that test is bumkiss. Whoever taught that course, taught that subject matter during the course of the year, and that subject matter is generally irrelevant to what kids need to know today. The information is certainly interesting, and would be wonderfully useful at cocktail parties, but it will not help anyone get a job in today's society. Tests are tests, and they are generally all arbitrary forms of measurement. Instead, we should focus on teaching kids the ability to use abstract thought to solve problems, not to simply regurgitate information tossed at them last week.

That's why I was an English major. I think tests are lame. Give me a paper over a test any day.

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Old 12-11-2008, 10:00 PM   #9
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I have to jump in here real quick, because I've seen this 1800's "test" pop up a few times on the internet, and while I agree with most of what is being said here, such as teachers and students and pretty much everyone in the educational system being brainwashed, this little piece of gold just bugs me like no tomorrow.

Firstly, as an English major, I actually love the challenge of answering many of those linguistics questions, but you must also realize that this is because I spent time "specializing," as one poster put it, in my language. Did four years of college guarantee me a job? Psh, not as an English major, but I did it for love of what I was studying.

Secondly, this test was taken from the 1800s. The things on this test are relevant to the society that children were brought up in during that time. They are not relevant today. Sure, I can tell you what a diphthong is, but I've gone out for editing jobs, and the bosses really don't give a **** about that.

Yes, most kids today could not complete this test, hell, most adults couldn't for that matter. However, I'd challenge you to go back in time, plop a computer in front of an 1800's student, and ask him to effectively operate Microsoft Word (not to plug Microsoft here or anything, I agree they're a horrible evil... but I digress).

Simply put, education is meant to prepare kids for the world in which they are about to inhabit. I also strongly believe it is about teaching kids how to think, and not what to think. I dislike tests, and I often tell my students they are arbitrary systems of measurement.

I also, on many occasions, bring up classroom discussion on how the government and powers that be control people. My students now know why McDonald's, KFC, Burger King, Wendy's etc, use red and yellow in all their advertising. They understand that they are constantly being lied to, and I try my best to make sure they think for themselves.

That being said, I'm also a teacher at a private institution in South Korea. I have not gone through the "education" major in college, nor have I received any "teaching certificates." I imagine some of the things I talk about here could get me in major trouble were I at a public institution, especially in the States, but my position here allows me the unique opportunity to reach those few I can.

In any case, that test is bumkiss. Whoever taught that course, taught that subject matter during the course of the year, and that subject matter is generally irrelevant to what kids need to know today. The information is certainly interesting, and would be wonderfully useful at cocktail parties, but it will not help anyone get a job in today's society. Tests are tests, and they are generally all arbitrary forms of measurement. Instead, we should focus on teaching kids the ability to use abstract thought to solve problems, not to simply regurgitate information tossed at them last week.

That's why I was an English major. I think tests are lame. Give me a paper over a test any day.

- Jeremy
I could agree that the English used is perhaps not as relevant today...but what of the rest? The geography for example? Do kids nowadays know what a republic actually is? There's even an interesting couple of questions there about climate and the water cycle. I daresay if people nowadays had that level of knowledge now, they'd be laughing their socks off at Al Gore.

The arithmetic there for example is testing the childrens ability to remember values for a bushel and a rod.
On a modern GCSE exam paper in the UK, the formulas are given on the back of the exam sheet!!
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Excellent example Jack, have you copied this from somewhere on the net? If so can you provide a link?

I doubt if I'd manage much more than half of those questions and I am very well educated by modern standards..
Sure Andy, Courtesy of Jordan Maxwell ; http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/article...ade%20Test.pdf



And in response to Jeremiad, the point of posting that test was to demonstrate that the level of inteligence passed onto the children of the world has been dramatically reduced in the past 100 years (That test is from 1890's)

Its a demonstration of the workings of the 'education' systems keepers. Now that societies structure is in place we no longer need to educate our people to the extent that they learn to think for themselves. We now only educate them, as you said, just enough in order for them to function effectivaly in our society. And this is just not acceptable, each generation should be more inteligent then the preceeding generation. This will ensure the evolution of mankind. Its obvious that this is not a priority. You might want to ask yourself why.

The fact that its irrelevant by todays standards is.. well , irrelevant.
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In conclusion, the objective of economic research, as conducted by the magnates of capital (banking) and the industries of commodities (goods) and services, is the establishment of an economy which is totally predictable and manipulatable.

In order to achieve a totally predictable economy, the low-class elements of society must be brought under total control, i.e., must be housebroken, trained, and assigned a yoke and long-term social duties from a very early age, before they have an opportunity to question the propriety of the matter. In order to achieve such conformity, the lower-class family unit must be disintegrated by a process of increasing preoccupation of the parents and the establishment of government-operated day-care centers for the occupationally orphaned children.

The quality of education given to the lower class must be of the poorest sort, so that the moat of ignorance isolating the inferior class from the superior class is and remains incomprehensible to the inferior class. With such an initial handicap, even bright lower class individuals have little if any hope of extricating themselves from their assigned lot in life. This form of slavery is essential to maintain some measure of social order, peace, and tranquillity for the ruling upper class.



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Jack- thanks for the link

Bluestix- I couldn't agree with you more.
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I heard today, Rhode Island is considering closing a school because of nonperformance. About 74 teachers' jobs are on the line.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8601-500251_1...deoCommentsUrl

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6236440n

Here are the links.

But it seems nobody wants to ask an expert in this field. If you really want to learn about schools and what's going on in them, be a substitute teacher. At least for a couple of weeks. And go not to just one district, but several.

I have done this work for over 25 years. And I have seen such nonsense in these last years going on in school, I can't tell you.

My number one issue is that districts seem to only hire those who directly come out of college with little or no experience other than their student teaching. I know this because it happened to me. It took the mentoring of several great teachers and their love for learning and their caring about how I could better myself in the classroom before I really could get in there and teach these kids. And then after garnering all that help and experience to be able to manage a classroom, I wasn't hired, time and time again, I wasn't hired for one lousy reason after another. I was always passed by for a much younger, less experienced person who could do the job for less money. And one who was an out of stater. You see, I have a Master's Degree in General Education and two teaching licenses, one for Social Studies and one for Mathematics. I'm too expensive now to hire. And now they have people with only a couple of years experience teaching a classroom being mentor teachers for the ones coming out of college to do their student teaching! TRUE!!!

Second issue, the teachers who are hired know less than half of what I learned when I was in school and college. Not that some are getting a good education--I am not in their shoes. But I can tell you, if you can't spell, if you can't pronounce the words, if you don't know at least something of the truth about just your own country's history alone, you shouldn't be in the classroom. And that goes for knowing the basics of Math, Science and Health and Hygiene, too. And checking your work over for mistakes. I had a college professor who allowed only 3 mistakes on a paper and that was it, and this was in the age when we had to do our papers on a manual typewriter, not a computer with a spelling and grammar checker!

Then there is the question, which the young gentleman raised in the video. Maybe it's us, he said, maybe it's them. He didn't know, but "the problem has to be resolved now."

I can tell you, number one, fire most of your administrators first, then weed out your teachers. When that's over, you start disciplining the kids. Many in the schools today do not behave or respect their teachers they do have, or respect even the subs who come in and try to teach something to them (AND YES, I'M TALKING TO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE WHO GAVE US SUBS A HARD TIME EVERYTIME WE SHOWED UP IN A CLASSROOM TO DO OUR JOBS AND CONTINUE TO DO SO BECAUSE YOU THINK IT'S COOL AND IT'S FUN AND YOU CAN HAVE A FREE DAY FROM LEARNING THAT DAY.) Throwing gum in someone's hair, for instance, is considered an assault on the person's body. I know. I had gum thrown in my long hair and had to have it cut out once.

This attitude toward education has got to stop.

And we don't challenge our kids enough. How many of you know or realize many of our Seniors today waste a heck of a lot of valuable time in school--too many study halls, not enough gainful classes to learn something in, too much arriving late and leaving early. And not enough self-respect to learn anything to prepare themselves for the challenges of college. (I work at a community college, too, and I have seen their attitudes they bring from the high schools infiltrate into their classes on our campus--unacceptable! One example: a young gentleman I knew from high school who wouldn't do his work and kept giving me and other subs a hard time, even when his parents went into the school to try to do something about it and had asked me to call if he disrespected me again, failed his English Composition class for the third time this past semester because he failed to show up for class and failed to do his assigned homework.) And yet many of these students expect to be handed a good, passing grade regardless. They even argue with their teachers over their unacceptable behavior and attitude towards their work for a grade change for the better.

And whoever told these kids a long time ago, homework did nothing to help them learn, and that homework shouldn't be given, should be dealt with very harshly. Rote learning is not a sin. In some cases, it is necessary, even vital to the learning process. If it takes homework to learn something, then homework it is.

I do know that testing is a farce these days. But too many think it needs to be thrown out entirely. Not if you ask a student to write a comprehensive essay about a subject. MC's and TF's have their place, but I draw the line at crossword puzzles. That to me and my brain is just a warm-up to get the juices flowing, not a serious piece of work that helps me learn something.

I've rambled on much too long here. But I want to let people know how I feel about this subject. I've had to remain silent for far too long. It's time it did get changed. Our system of education. And I agree with Alex Collier's friends. Our education system is a joke. We've dumbed down our kids far too long and far too far down the scale, to the point of being or acting like dullards. It's time we, as a people, did something about it.

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