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Old 04-23-2009, 06:09 PM   #26
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this is very convincing....where is part 2?
It should appear on the main screen at the end of part 1 or to the right of the main screen. But just in case...here it is:

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd25A...eature=related
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Old 04-23-2009, 06:12 PM   #27
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First off, this is a Camelot thread and will be moved to that forum.

Second, yes, of course retilians exist and are real.

Next, pray for them and for their spiritual evolution because that is what undoes them. How do I know? Personal experience. These particular beings do not have access to the higher spiritual dimensions.

In addition also ask, pray for angelic intervention where they take these various troublesome beings to a dimension from whence they cannot escape. There are numerous angels looking for work. Please feel free to give them a job.

When Antaletriangle posted this link...he was criticized for doing so. Is there something about this interview which hits a nerve or gets too close to the truth? I don't ask this in an antagonistic sense. I sometimes imagine that Avalon and Camelot gets flack from all sides...including members, staff, religions, governments, agencies, gurus...who knows...maybe even the reptilians. These are very controversial sites with very controversial subjects.

I like to think that all regressive and malevolent beings can be helped to become progressive and benevolent...but I don't want to get pulled into the spiritual quicksand by them...when I try to help. I sense that they can be very tricky, deceptive, and destructive. Forgive me if I am too bold or flippant with this subject. This is undoubtedly due to my ignorance and inexperience. Other posters on this thread obviously have a lot more knowledge...and even first-hand experience. However...the issues I am raising and the questions I am asking would still be raised and asked if I didn't...and will need to be answered eventually. Perhaps this is good practice. I really don't think that the ultimate truths and answers regarding this subject are happy ones...but they probably still have to be revealed. I don't see an easy way through all of this.

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Old 04-23-2009, 11:40 PM   #28
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This is quite a long post so apologies in advance. This is how I view things but I mean no disrespect to anyone here who views things differently.


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What they want is to be fought and opposed (my paraphrase)
That argument doesn't hold up I'm afraid- if that's what they wanted they wouldn't have spent the last several thousand years hiding in the shadows and attempting to destroy any evidence of their existence.

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Send love and light to them, it will repulse them due to the law of attraction (my paraphrase again)
This argument also doesn't stand up. If you put out love and light it will return to you, but not necessarily from the same entity or person you direct it at. If that were true then no child would ever be abused by their parents. That isn't to say that light can't shield you and protect you because it can, but I don't think you can aim it and use it like an energy weapon.

The Ghandi argument is a persuasive one on the surface, but what actually changed? The British were forced out of America by the War of Independance, but the IRS still collects taxes on behalf of the UK. Things only changed on the surface and the reppies still control both through the same bloodlines. The same is true in South Africa when apartheid was ended through a combination of worldwide protests against it and a lot of bloodshed internally, but the end result was that little changed- the families that ran the place then still run the place now, it just looks more like the illusion of democracy we have in the West. In India Ghandi and his followers forced the British to withdraw through non-violent means with considerably less bloodshed than the previous two, but the same bloodlines are still in power today.

In all three examples the surface changes solved nothing. There are still thousands upon thousands suffering in poverty in each, the gap between rich and poor is just the same as it always was (if not worse), technology that would solve all these problems is still supressed and the truth about who is really in power is still hidden. From the reptilian point of view they would much rather have buckets of blood during any surface changes but as long as they aren't directly threatened and its business as usual afterwards they aren't going to worry about it too much.

None of it was directed at the source of the problems, only at the outward illusions. Its like trying to mop up the water without fixing the leak first- no matter how hard we work or what method we use we'll still have wet feet.

They always have fall-back positions. These creatures aren't stupid, what they've done is nothing short of brilliant. When we see through the illusion of party politics they have the corporations to hide behind, then the banks. When we see through that they have the Illuminati vs NWO to fall back on.

It's the same in every area of our lives, but with one common denominator. America vs Russia. Christian vs Muslim. Socialism vs Capitalism. "Free" Nations vs Terrorists. New Age vs Mainstream Religion. Man vs Woman. Young vs Old. Individual vs State. In other words, Us vs Us. Human vs Human. So far anyway- there's always the possibility of a staged alien invasion to consider in their final push to terrify us into accepting a Nazi One World Government under their control, and probably scenarios none of us have even dreamed of yet.


When all the distractions have been overcome and we know they are there they have one final failsafe: to try to convince us that not fighting them is fighting them. They are obviously very good at this. I believed that for a while. But until we break through that last line of defence they still have us. We're still in the matrix, they're still in control. While we debate this we are still focused on each other and not on them. Us focused only on them is their worst nightmare because if it wasn't they wouldn't have expended so much energy attempting to prevent it.


To be clear, I'm not interested in retribution or evening the score. I don't hate them and I don't fear them. I just want them gone, and the only way to do that is to face up to the fact that they are here, they are in control, and that they are not unbeatable. This applies whether they are physical, higher dimensional or a combination. I want them gone because I love us enough to know that we deserve freedom and all the responsibilities that come with it, and not perpetual bondage from sadistic and cowardly oppressors who have kept us under their heel for millennia.

They view us as food, a commodity. That's the bottom line. They consider themselve utterly superior to us in every way and feel they have the right to do whatever they wish. If they want to torture and murder our children so what? They have that right. If they want us to live in perpetual misery and fear so what? They have that right. What we want doesn't enter into it. Do you empathise with a cheese sandwich when you eat it?

They won't go because we want them to. They won't stop eating us because we want them to. They won't suddenly become nicer because we send love and light to them. They will only go when we make it impossible for them to stay.

We could ask nicely first- why not? When we get to that stage they might even do it, because at that point we'll be looking directly at them and not at each other.

Do we stand there and tell them that we want them to leave us alone, but if they don't we won't do anything about it? Are we going to say "Oh well, we tried, I guess we'd better get back into our cages and let you carry on raping, torturing and murdering us. We'll allow you to continue to physically, mentally and spiritually abuse us. We'll permit you to keep us trapped in a perpetual cycle of reincarnation to be used again and again because we love you and it's just who you are."?

Or do we stand and tell them that one way or another they are leaving because we love and value ourselves enough to realise that we are worth much more than they will ever offer? That we are prepared to take any and all measures, even actions that we would much rather we didn't have to take, in order to free ourselves from their reign of horror? That we know our own value and our own power and we will not be slaves any more no matter how long it takes and whatever the price?

Let's put ourselves in their position. Which of those would we be more likely to take seriously?

I know which position I choose.

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Old 04-24-2009, 02:43 AM   #29
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That argument doesn't hold up I'm afraid- if that's what they wanted they wouldn't have spent the last several thousand years hiding in the shadows and attempting to destroy any evidence of their existence.

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(my paraphrase again)

This argument also doesn't stand up. If you put out love and light it will return to you, but not necessarily from the same entity or person you direct it at. If that were true then no child would ever be abused by their parents. That isn't to say that light can't shield you and protect you because it can, but I don't think you can aim it and use it like an energy weapon.
When dealing with 3rd dimensional entities and circumstances you are correct that love and light alone does not get it done. However, we are not talking about things in this material reality. The rules change when you go to the 4th then the 5th dimensions. All wars fought at those levels are fought with energy. So if a bad guy from one of those dimensions attacks you then you defend yourself with energy. Can you punch them? Can you shoot them? Can you kill them? The answer to all of these questions is no. Then what weapons and tactics are left? The wielding of positive energy is all that is left.

When dealing with bad people and circumstances in this reality I choose to use a combination of love and light and dominance. When it comes to dealing with the paranormal dominance is useless. They laugh at it. If a demon comes after you, fighting it with anger and grit will feed it and you will loose! I have fought the battles with these things both ways. For 12 years I chose battle, battle, battle. Then I always wondered why they not only kept coming back, but each time they where more intense. It is kind of like someone standing in front of a fire trying to put it out with gasoline and wondering why it keeps getting worse.
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When dealing with 3rd dimensional entities and circumstances you are correct that love and light alone does not get it done. However, we are not talking about things in this material reality. The rules change when you go to the 4th then the 5th dimensions. All wars fought at those levels are fought with energy. So if a bad guy from one of those dimensions attacks you then you defend yourself with energy. Can you punch them? Can you shoot them? Can you kill them? The answer to all of these questions is no. Then what weapons and tactics are left? The wielding of positive energy is all that is left.

When dealing with bad people and circumstances in this reality I choose to use a combination of love and light and dominance. When it comes to dealing with the paranormal dominance is useless. They laugh at it. If a demon comes after you, fighting it with anger and grit will feed it and you will loose! I have fought the battles with these things both ways. For 12 years I chose battle, battle, battle. Then I always wondered why they not only kept coming back, but each time they where more intense. It is kind of like someone standing in front of a fire trying to put it out with gasoline and wondering why it keeps getting worse.
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Steve G, that was a brilliant post. I agree with the 'radiate love' crowd...and I agree with your 'tough love' stance toward these beings. We need both aspects. I keep thinking that the principles and concepts found in the Teachings of Jesus...combined with the U.S. Constitution...is a one-two knock-out punch against the reptiliians...and any other malevolent beings. You are correct...we need to get past the us vs us...and move on to us vs them. Our ultimate enemies are not human.

First...these bastards need to be completely exposed...no matter how upsetting this is to the people of the world. Some may go insane. Some may riot. Some may commit suicide. Who knows what people will do? But the secrecy needs to end. There is a window of opportunity, with the internet, for this to occur. I fear that this window may only be open for a very short period of time. Conduit closing.

Secondly...globalism needs to be based on Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in decided opposition to One Nation Under Satan: The Old World Disorder Reptilian Theocracy. I'm becoming less tentative about this the more I see, hear, and think about it. When I make reference to the U.S. Constitution...I'm not referring to red, white, and blue nationalism...or American globo-cop world domination. What I'm referring to is a non-reptilian United Nations. I tend to think the NWO/UN crowd is terrified of the reptilians...and deceived or corrupted by them. These people need to be convinced to take a stand against the reptilians...and modify their globalist plans to be in harmony with the principles and concepts in the words of Jesus...and the literal provisions and guarantees in the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. The reptilians themselves need to be encouraged to rebel against their tyrannical leadership. A critical mass of powerful insiders must turn against the reptilian agenda...or any effort to institute responsible freedom is doomed. We need the people and organizations we love to hate. This includes Rockefeller, Rothschild, Bush, Cheney, Obama, Benedict, etc, etc. We should not alienate them. We should win them over. This includes key people in the city states, alphabet agencies, military/space/industrial/reptilian complex, UN, NWO, Illuminati, etc, etc. Immunity for Disclosure and Cooperation may be necessary. I don't want retribution. I just want the BS to stop.

Some time ago, on a different site, I expressed similar thoughts...and received this response: "You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!" To me...this almost seemed like a non-human comment. I really am neurotic and paranoid...but that doesn't mean the reptilians are not out to get me. One YouTube comment stuck in my mind. It wasn't directed to me...it was a general statement: "We're in your back". Supposedly reptilians can latch on to humans via the lower chakras in their backs. There is a book titled 'Aliens on the Internet' by Sherry Shriner. I haven't read it...but who knows who we converse with sometimes on the internet?
The reptilians probably use Gray Supercomputers...linked with NSA Supercomputers...

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When dealing with 3rd dimensional entities and circumstances you are correct that love and light alone does not get it done. However, we are not talking about things in this material reality. The rules change when you go to the 4th then the 5th dimensions. All wars fought at those levels are fought with energy. So if a bad guy from one of those dimensions attacks you then you defend yourself with energy. Can you punch them? Can you shoot them? Can you kill them? The answer to all of these questions is no. Then what weapons and tactics are left? The wielding of positive energy is all that is left.
yes you can shoot them, yes you can cut of limbs. you can slap them in the face or whatever when dealing with entities in higher dimensions.
yes. transmigration or moving on to another life. in other worlds you can end their life.

the Heavenly Catalyst used as an icon. loving kindness as an icon.
their bodies can not withstand the frequency of love. this applies to grays also.
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We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Reptilian Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of the Human Race.
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We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Reptilian Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of the Human Race.

I like that... did you make that up?

A True World Order; whereby each individual declares themself a Citizen of Planet Earth by and through inherited Sovereignty of Divine Intelligence. No signature required and no permission sought.

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I like that... did you make that up?

A True World Order; whereby each individual declares themself a Citizen of Planet Earth by and through inherited Sovereignty of Divine Intelligence. No signature required and no permission sought.
I hijacked George H.W. Bush's New World Order speech. I think we should hijack the New World Order...and change it into the True World Order. I like what you wrote too. As Citizens of Planet Earth...we can keep all of our cultural diversities. We shouldn't all be the same. That would be boring and stupid. I'm not opposed to globalism. I'm just opposed to a corrupt, enslaving, exterminating, reptilian theocratic dictatorship. Otherwise...I'm easy.

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I hijacked George H.W. Bush's New World Order speech. I think we should hijack the New World Order...and change it into the True World Order. I like what you wrote too. As Citizens of Planet Earth...we can keep all of our cultural diversities. We shouldn't all be the same. That would be boring and stupid. I'm not opposed to globalism. I'm just opposed to a corrupt, enslaving, exterminating, reptilian theocratic dictatorship. Otherwise...I'm easy.

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We have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Reptilian Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of the Human Race.
I still respectively disagree with you as you continue to push this agenda of yours.

Again, we do not need a piece of paper to govern ourselves. We are at a point where we are BEYOND the need for "constitutionally responsible freedom". That is SO old-paradigm.

No offense but I just want to make it clear for you. I would rather start fresh and leave that system behind like all other systems.

Based on what Steve_G said, why should we continue to allow reptilians to dominate us? In a similar way, why should we continue to govern ourselves based on what a piece of paper says?
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I hijacked George H.W. Bush's New World Order speech. I think we should hijack the New World Order...and change it into the True World Order. I like what you wrote too. As Citizens of Planet Earth...we can keep all of our cultural diversities. We shouldn't all be the same. That would be boring and stupid. I'm not opposed to globalism. I'm just opposed to a corrupt, enslaving, exterminating, reptilian theocratic dictatorship. Otherwise...I'm easy.
Or we could throw out all world orders and start anew.

The Human race needs to cleanse the toxins and rid itself of "orders".
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When dealing with 3rd dimensional entities and circumstances you are correct that love and light alone does not get it done. However, we are not talking about things in this material reality. The rules change when you go to the 4th then the 5th dimensions. All wars fought at those levels are fought with energy. So if a bad guy from one of those dimensions attacks you then you defend yourself with energy. Can you punch them? Can you shoot them? Can you kill them? The answer to all of these questions is no. Then what weapons and tactics are left? The wielding of positive energy is all that is left.

When dealing with bad people and circumstances in this reality I choose to use a combination of love and light and dominance. When it comes to dealing with the paranormal dominance is useless. They laugh at it. If a demon comes after you, fighting it with anger and grit will feed it and you will loose! I have fought the battles with these things both ways. For 12 years I chose battle, battle, battle. Then I always wondered why they not only kept coming back, but each time they where more intense. It is kind of like someone standing in front of a fire trying to put it out with gasoline and wondering why it keeps getting worse.
Personally when I'm fighting them I'm generally laughing and joking while I'm doing it. I keep winning or I wouldn't be here writing what I write. They don't come back either- mostly they've stopped coming after me, though occasionally they try their hand. That's my point- I've made it too expensive for them to do so. Ultimately these creatures are big nasty bullies, and bullies always pick on the weakest targets.

If what you do works for you then that's fantastic, keep it up. I strongly suspect that however we 'see' what we're doing it's only a representation of whats actually happening anyway, filtered through our 3D orientated minds. Whether we percieve it as pulling the trigger of a .44 magnum, going hand-to-hand with a sword or throwing beams of energy at them doesn't really matter as long as it gets the job done. Stand toe-to-toe and trade blows, outsmart them into beating themselves, lead them into traps, whatever- our creativity has no limits. And of course you're correct when you mention different approaches for physical and non-physical situations.

I wasn't kidding when I said I don't hate or fear them, and when I'm fighting I'm not angry with them either. My only motivation is that it needs to be done in order to protect those who cannot protect themselves because they don't know how and don't believe they can; I do it out of love. The reason they aren't able to defend themselves is ultimately that they don't know who they are or how powerful they are. Once they know that it becomes irrelevent who or what the threat is because whatever the circumstances they can adapt and send it packing.

And of course it won't take everyone to reach that stage, just enough so the reptilians are losing more than they're gaining.

The reppies are riding a tiger that hasn't quite realised it's being ridden. Once it does they have a whole new set of problems to deal with. They aren't worried about whether the tiger will love them or not, they're afraid of its claws and teeth.


HJ and Ortho, once the reppies are gone we can live how we wish. That's the kind of us vs us situation that doesn't have to apply any more. If some wish to form a new constitution and live by that they can. If others wish to live apart and make their own way they can- there's no reason why the two should be mutually exclusive. Forcing people to live in a certain way is what the reppie NWO is all about. And with the release of all that supressed technology anything is possible. If they destroy it as the Nazi's did with some of theirs then just having the freedom to develop those things will mean we'll soon catch up.

We can live however we want, but first we have to kick the giants out of the playground. We can do it.

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Or we could throw out all world orders and start anew.

The Human race needs to cleanse the toxins and rid itself of "orders".
I share your views in this matter....
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So...do we prefer an Irresponsible Dictatorship without a 'G**D***Piece of Paper'? Dictators don't like constitutions. They get in the way.
Could someone point me toward a constitution or system of government...which has been used historically, or is currently in use...which maximizes responsible freedom? Could someone also define anarchy? Could someone explain to me what happens in the aftermath of anarchy? How would you go about throwing everything out?
If you were successful...how would you bring order out of chaos? What would happen at a Constitutional Convention? I have been cautioned by lawyers that a Constitutional Convention in the U.S. would be a disaster. Some say that we are very close to having one...if Martial Law...and the permanent suspension of the Constitution doesn't happen first. I agree that this corrupt world needs to be cleaned up...but don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.

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I guess the point I am trying to make is that these things exist because we have something to learn by dealing with them. They are not separate from us. There is not a consciousness created in this universe that is separate from us. If everyone on this planet had already completed their souls progression through the 22 archetypal learning curves then they would not be here. Not because they would loose interest, because by the law of attraction they would just never show up.

The second you have learned the lessons that the creator of all that is designed them for, they stop showing up in your life forever. They are programs in the archetypal 3d learning curve. The only acceptions to this are certain kinds of Demonic non-reptilian entities that are not from our local Universe. They are rouge spirits that have polarities that are off of the negative scales of our local universe.

These are much more rare. The only way I know of dealing with these is to ask for assistance from powerful positive beings. These bad guys are not aligned with anyone and will hand you your ass if you try to just use your own power of love an light.

I would also like to add that I believe that we may be inadvertently discriminating against all humanoid reptilian life forms because of the actions of the bad ones. If there is full disclosure and the reptilians that have chosen the positive path walk among us, then lets make sure we do not hate them because of the actions of others of their kind. Lets stay away from alien stereotypes.
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Personally when I'm fighting them I'm generally laughing and joking while I'm doing it. I keep winning or I wouldn't be here writing what I write. They don't come back either- mostly they've stopped coming after me, though occasionally they try their hand. That's my point- I've made it too expensive for them to do so. Ultimately these creatures are big nasty bullies, and bullies always pick on the weakest targets.

If what you do works for you then that's fantastic, keep it up. I strongly suspect that however we 'see' what we're doing it's only a representation of whats actually happening anyway, filtered through our 3D orientated minds. Whether we percieve it as pulling the trigger of a .44 magnum, going hand-to-hand with a sword or throwing beams of energy at them doesn't really matter as long as it gets the job done. Stand toe-to-toe and trade blows, outsmart them into beating themselves, lead them into traps, whatever- our creativity has no limits. And of course you're correct when you mention different approaches for physical and non-physical situations.

I wasn't kidding when I said I don't hate or fear them, and when I'm fighting I'm not angry with them either. My only motivation is that it needs to be done in order to protect those who cannot protect themselves because they don't know how and don't believe they can; I do it out of love. The reason they aren't able to defend themselves is ultimately that they don't know who they are or how powerful they are. Once they know that it becomes irrelevent who or what the threat is because whatever the circumstances they can adapt and send it packing.

We can live however we want, but first we have to kick the giants out of the playground. We can do it.
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And I don't think they like 'Gold dust' at all...
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Old 04-24-2009, 02:24 PM   #45
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I don't hate reptilians. I'm still not absolutely sure that they exist...and if so...in what form(s). I just have huge problems with evil, corruption, pain, suffering, enslavement, extermination, etc. According to Swerdlow...the ancient human Atlanteans were not necessarily nice people. We humans are historically riddled with problems and weaknesses...which the reptilians seemingly exploit. I'd love to give a benevolent reptilian a big hug...although I might have to be in a hazmat suit to do this, and live! I don't have a problem with sharing Earth with benevolent, progressive reptilians. Some of my best friends have turned out to be snakes.

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Old 04-24-2009, 03:26 PM   #46
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So maybe the people who claim that they have seen them, could tell us ( who have never seen one) what they look like, how to recognize them, any specific characteristics ( apart from cat-like eyes),etc. A few write here that they fight them, so i assume you guys have a lot to share with the rest of us. and please be specific and provide as many details as you can.
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Old 04-24-2009, 04:15 PM   #47
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There are a lot of very kind, very wise beings (used loosely) here right now to help us out of our slumber. My own transit into the 4th has been speeding up on a steep exponential curve, and mine is tiny compared to the rocket ride my wife is on. I'm getting more and more of a foot hold in the 4th. My wife has visited the 9th.

When I run into someone I've known for a long time, who is not actively chasing this down, I can hardly believe how they have NOT changed. It's not a judgement, but merely a recognition of how far I've come in just the last 6 months.

For me, it's been some "helpers" bringing forth channeled info that stepped up my pace. I became attracted to those beings with a Mission, so to speak, of helping those of us who want the help, through the coming transition, as smoothly as possible.

The Ra stuff. George Greens pleiadians. James and the Wingmakers. Others. And more recently, A 4th dimensional being named Bashar, channeled by Darryl Anka, and the 9th dimensional Pleiadian collective as channeled by Wendy Kennedy.

My wife has made personal contact with the 9th dimensional Pleiadian collective, and school has been in session ever since. The wisdom and perspective they bring is so simple, and so light, easy, and non-judgemental. All of the pieces finally fit like a glove. It all makes sense in a self consistent fashion. And I don't know how they can explain this stuff in a 3D perspective, because I have a real hard time doing it.

Tone Jag's last post has it SO right. There are no victims. no such thing. that's 3D all the way and nothing but. Nobody incarnated is having something happen to them without their consent, on some level. It's all for the experience value, and to work out our "stuff".

ODM said "I just have huge problems with evil, corruption, pain, suffering, enslavement, extermination, etc".

EXACTLY. And if we're here, we each have our own list. If someone, whether it's a reppie, or a neighbour, or a cop, or a tax man, or a soldier on the battle field, or a mother in law, or a child abuser, or a drug pusher, or a racist, or a criminal takes up the task of running our program for us so we can learn some pointers towards integrating whatever active polarization is being worked, then thank you very much for the service.

Thinking in terms of contest, or fight, or battle, or victim/perp, is indicative of only one thing. An active polarization program being run. 3D is designed as the stage or classroom for learning to integrate or discharge the polarities. Higher dimensions are less and less about that, and more and more about Unity, Love, One consciousness with aspects to give context and interchange.

It takes two to fight. I don't know who said that, but it says SO much, given our environment.

The game is winding down in the 3D playing field we've created. The action is stepping up, much as it would in the final moments of a sporting event, where the sides are pretty evenly matched.

The reptilians, and annunaki and those who agree to play their little tools here on earth, like the illuminati, will have some serious healing to do, and they'll have earned their opportunities to play different roles in whatever game they next select on their journeys.

It really is all good, even when it's bad. We're immortal. Nothing can change that. Nothing can really happen to us. Nothing. we're playing at being all hurt and broken. Or we're playing at being the hurter or broker, so the rest can play at being hurt and broken.

It's working out polarity that we're here for. The time frame for the shift is now almost over, and we are now quickly having to work through the rest of the stuff we have yet to process, because we'll need to clean up our auric, emotional, and energetic fields a good deal in order to avoid a tough transition, or even "having to redo the year", as happened to so many Atlantians, which is the last time our current opportunity to transit was available. There was too much low frequency 3D vibration extant in the Atlantis days and the planet itself couldn't make the transit.

This time is different. Earth is transiting to the 4th D and according to my 9th D friends, this time is special, as a celestial body has not transited with conscious beings on it before, and nobody knows exactly how this will play out. They consider US the masters, who volunteered to come and incarnate here to finish writing the book on polarity, which will rewrite the book all up and down the dimensional line. That's why all the 4th and 5th D interest just outside of our visual spectrum. This is the big show in the galaxy right now, and the ALL know how much is riding on what we do and how we work this out.

We multidimensional beings incarnated on earth right now are having an extremely profound experience, and we're taking it to the wire.

This is just my effort to get my thoughts on this thread and this subject area written down and shared with people.

I'd love to explore this some more with the bright beings on this journey with me.

Love you all.
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Old 04-24-2009, 07:55 PM   #48
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Myplanet, from my perspective you have just given a great overview of their final fallback position- that not fighting them is fighting them.

The New Age in all it's various manifestations is the fallback for religion. It supposedly sets us free from the old, out-dated paradigm of repression and on the surface it sounds great. But every source for this knowledge that I have found is a channelled entity claiming to be from the Great White Brotherhood, or Ashtar Command, or the GFL, or the Pleiadians, or whatever.

At the core of all of them is the standard position that in some way we are responsible for our own abuse. It's because we're in school learning lessons, or the only reason the reptilians are here is because we attracted them, or it's because we're resolving polarities. All of it utilises the same basic guilt trips and accusations that we aren't worthy of our planet, that we've created these conditions we find ourselves in all by ourselves. That the suffering of our existence is somehow either self inflicted or necessary.

Net result? We're worthless, we should be ashamed of what we're doing, we should be afraid that we will fail to live up to expectations and standards of higher beings in whatever form. Forgive me but that sounds EXACTLY like the old religions to me except it's couched in New Age jargon of one kind or another. 9th Dimensional Collectives, 5th Density Positive alliances, Lower 4th Negative entities, Ascended Masters. Take your pick.

They all deflect attention from the reptilians. They all place total responsibility on our shoulders and portray the reppies as just doing the job we've called them to do, utterly absolving them from any responsibility for their actions which include murder, rape, child molestation, ritual sacrifice, deliberate poisoning of the earth and oceans, destruction of countless ways of life, and nothing less than the theft of the knowledge of who we truly are!

They've robbed us of our identities, our self worth, our connection to nature and the universe, to God. They, through their chosen instruments, have systematically slaughtered and battered any groups with way of life that retained this fundamental knowledge and wisdom- the Olmec, the Inca, the Aztecs, the Native Americans, the Gnostics, the Cathars, the Aborigines... the list goes on. The stripping and destruction of the great repositories of knowledge and wisdom from Carthage and Alexandria right up to modern day Iraq. They have been brutal and merciless in supressing the truth, along with being very cunning and persuasive. And they are still doing so today.

To add insult to countless injuries they have also convinced us that it's our own fault, and all the while they harvest our bodies and our energy for their own selfish purposes.

If we had reached this position without their help and the Pleiadians or whoever came along and said what they've said then maybe they'd have a point. We could ONLY look to ourselves for responsibility. But with the reptilians working the controls from the shadows for all this time? Sorry, I'm not buying that anymore. Even if we assume for a moment that they ARE here to teach us a lesson in self responsibility in accordance with some great universal principle they actually hinder that process by the sheer fact of their being here!

In the end none of it stands up. Instead it plays on insecurities and mind-f**ks that they created and have been programmed into us since the second we were born. It's just another fall-back position that keeps us focussed on ourselves and not them. The Hidden Hand material uses this type of material to justify the unjustifiable, making them out to be humble servants who are hurting themselves much more than they're hurting us. It's the psychology of abuse, convincing the victims that they, not the abusers, are responsible for the atrocities being inflicted on them.

It has to end because we are worth infinitely more than this, but it won't while we continue to avoid facing the very unpleasant and frightening facts that the truth invloves. The first lesson we need to learn is that one.
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If you only read and digest one piece tonight on Avalon, make it the above. Then your really ready to start travelling down the rabbit hole - but unlike Alice you will be armed and on the hunt, not alone and afraid.
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I don't endorse the following video...but I'm not going to attack it either: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjF4w_E86gw. I agree with Steve G. I don't go to church anymore...and I don't follow the new age gurus. Sometimes I think I get more genuine spirituality by walking my dog in nature. In fact, the more people(and paradigms) I meet, the more I like my dog. Seriously...if there are reptilians living underground...they would want people to think about everything except them. They wouldn't want to be exposed...especially if they have been screwing with the human race for thousands, millions, or even billions of years. I'm beginning to think that studying the Nazi and Reptilian phenomenons...wherever it leads...and however upsetting and disruptive...is the best way to get at the heart of what is threatening to enslave and exterminate the human race. I really, really want a positive outcome for everyone...even the Nazis and Reptilians...but if we don't get to the heart of the problem quickly...we may descend into another dark ages...which is blacker than the last. We need to see the ugly truth very clearly...before we can do something about it. You know...I'd love to have a heart to heart talk with the 13 families who supposedly control everything...a real honest talk. I continue to believe that they are errand-elites for non-humans. Or...what if there is an ancient, completely human, underground society which is into very dark and powerful spiritualism...and has created the reptilian phenomenon? What if they are survivors of the destruction of Atlantis...and took ancient advanced technology with them underground? What if all we are dealing with are humans in physical and spiritual form? What if there is no such thing as a reptilian race? Or what if reptilian humanoids and grey aliens were created by these ancient humans via genetic engineering? Could this group be Giza Intelligence? See...my mind is not made up...and I don't mind being confused by fact or hypothesis. Ancient histories could be fabricated. Events and sightings can be staged. Reality and perception are not necessarily identical. Thinking that one knows...and knowing...are two very different things. Many religions, philosophies, and paradigms can be created by those who ultimately control Earth. The search for truth may involve a rejection of just about everything...and bring one into conflict with just about everyone. It may take a person to the edge of sanity...or even over the edge. I worry that some spiritual pursuits are merely adventures in dreamland...and do very little to solve the real problems facing Earth and the Human Race. Having said that...I've had enough of this stuff...I'm taking a vacation. The special, rich, famous, gifted, etc. people who talk to ets, gods, dead people, etc, etc...can figure this out. Everyone thinks they know...but everyone says something different. I'm simply going to generate some bad karma...and attempt to make money...for the first time in my life! It's been fun!

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