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Old 01-13-2010, 07:46 AM   #51
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I don't see this post as anything but an attempt to blame HAARP or an actual rocket.

Why is it that people dislike Wilcock but are willing to nod their heads in agreement at a thread like this?

Are you aware that there are people trying to turn you against the very people that try to bring a message to you? Wilcock has never claimed to be and will never be perfect. It's the WAY he says things that matters the most. He's not a fearmonger like Ben Fulford or Alex Jones.
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Old 01-13-2010, 04:49 PM   #52
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hi humble
bashi's letter is very appreciative of mr wilcock's fine efforts. it's critical of some points of mr wilcock's latest ebook, but does not dismiss. the more views, the better..
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Old 01-13-2010, 05:24 PM   #53
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Wilcock has never claimed to be and will never be perfect. It's the WAY he says things that matters the most. He's not a fearmonger like Ben Fulford or Alex Jones.
I agree.

Even though not too big a fan of Wilcock. His presentations are superb. I don't understand why so many think hes a disinfo agent. He is clearly just a passionate individual and it is reflected in his character and the depth of his research.

I don't agree with some issues he's on about, but on other things its like staring at a mirror, can really see eye to eye with him. His message is ultimately a good one, hes okay.
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Old 01-18-2010, 08:20 PM   #54
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David Wilcock is funny. I don't believe a word of what he says and I am surprised that some still take him seriously. This guy is the one that claimed Obama had orbs of light around him, hahaha! I don't remember if he was the one who said Obama had a "divine mission" or it was someone else...

Now, there's a lot of hate for Alex Jones in this site, but at least he is trying to back what he says with actual evidence. Don't blame the messenger for the message. If the truth causes you to have fear then you probably have some personal issues to fix and no one else is guilty of your fear.
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:06 PM   #55
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David Wilcock is funny. I don't believe a word of what he says and I am surprised that some still take him seriously. This guy is the one that claimed Obama had orbs of light around him, hahaha! I don't remember if he was the one who said Obama had a "divine mission" or it was someone else...

Now, there's a lot of hate for Alex Jones in this site, but at least he is trying to back what he says with actual evidence. Don't blame the messenger for the message. If the truth causes you to have fear then you probably have some personal issues to fix and no one else is guilty of your fear.
There is some good information on Jones' site.. which makes it all the more disconcerting when he convolutes his message with the hysterical tone he imbues it with. Have you heard his broadcast during the Y2K debacle? He seemed to knowingly misrepresent facts in the most irresponsible way imaginable. Since then he has refined his approach but the distinction I make between the two is this: Wilcock seems to me to have a sincerity and benign intent from his actions even if his information isn't always correct. Jones has often insulted and belittled guests with none of the "truth" or rationality you claim he represents.

Here he blows a good opportunity during an interview with David Mayer de Rothschild by raving and screaming:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuNLahhZFJ0

And here he acts beligerently toward Noam Chomsky for no apparent reason:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSXFX8bM6s8

I recommend listening to the entire interviews. They had a juicy appeal to me initially which is why I listened.

I am not a huge fan of either Chomsky or Rothschild. (though I do drink and use with them frequently) but at the very least AJ seems to be unwittingly sabotaging his message with boorish behavior.
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Old 01-20-2010, 05:19 PM   #56
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hi 3optic
i see what you're saying..
though, living outside the usa, you do need to get some picture as to what is going on in the states....which you won't get while listening to the bbc, for one..by combining the two, three or more (and using your own discernment) you do eventually get a clearer picture..like him or not, it does not matter as much...i very recently caught him give a brief definition of the BEAST technology, which made me think he must be familiar with what ashayana deane is on about..i was really surprised to hear that from AJ...everyone is prejudiced to a degree..and so are we..best wishes
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Old 01-20-2010, 09:54 PM   #57
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This post raises good questions.

Although I think the spiral is the result of electromagnetic waves, Wilcock's explanations does not constitute irrefutable proof.

As some pointed, he is a great spiritual teacher but he lacks a clear understanding of electromagnetism and physics in general. It even more shows in his books Shift Of The Ages and The Science Of Oneness.

I can only praise his attempt to synthesize all this information (God knows it is a herculean task), but he tends to jump at conclusions without any solid (scientific) proof.

I am also concerned by his following which is increasingly showing signs of a personality cult.

Two weeks ago I tried to post on the Divine Cosmos forum a critique of Sitchin's work (available here on Avalon at http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19269) which was rejected without any explanation. In his books Wilcock cites some of Sitchin's assertions which are proven to be wrong, and I think it is important to point out these mistakes, intentional or not.

Does this mean that anything David Wilcock says or writes cannot be contradicted ?
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Old 01-20-2010, 10:12 PM   #58
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Does this mean that anything David Wilcock says or writes cannot be contradicted ?
He certainly won't let you criticise him on his own site, but I think its alright here.

I think bashi was a lot closer to the truth than dw was, here's an article from Pravda about a UFO landing in the city of Perm:

Aliens Land in Russia


Residents of the city of Perm, in Russia’s Ural region, say that they could see a strange object in the sky. The object, eyewitnesses said, was hanging in the air above the city, scanned the area with a beam of light and even let off several “passengers.” The people did not specify what kind of passengers they were exactly and how they disembarked from what seemed to be a spaceship.

A woman saw a strange object in the window at about 2-4 o’clock a.m. She woke up her daughter and asked her to take a look at the strange sight. The two women could see a disk-like object sending three glittering beams of light on the ground.

Many city residents discussed the strange object on local forums.

Nikolai Subbotin, the director of RUFOS research station said the specialists of the station were investigating the information about the appearance of a UFO above Perm on January 9, Arguments and Facts newspaper wrote.

Pravda.Ru

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Old 01-21-2010, 02:34 AM   #59
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There is some good information on Jones' site.. which makes it all the more disconcerting when he convolutes his message with the hysterical tone he imbues it with. Have you heard his broadcast during the Y2K debacle? He seemed to knowingly misrepresent facts in the most irresponsible way imaginable. Since then he has refined his approach but the distinction I make between the two is this: Wilcock seems to me to have a sincerity and benign intent from his actions even if his information isn't always correct. Jones has often insulted and belittled guests with none of the "truth" or rationality you claim he represents.
Rationality is not defined my "tone", but by logical accuracy of what he means. I don't care if he talks, screams or communicate via smoke signs, all I care is if his information is true or not.

Yes, I prefer a rude truthsayer instead of a pleasant liar.

Who cares if you or anybody else feel offended? Take your hurt feelings somewhere else. Man up or **** off.
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Old 01-21-2010, 06:49 AM   #60
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Rationality is not defined my "tone", but by logical accuracy of what he means. I don't care if he talks, screams or communicate via smoke signs, all I care is if his information is true or not.

Yes, I prefer a rude truthsayer instead of a pleasant liar.

Who cares if you or anybody else feel offended? Take your hurt feelings somewhere else. Man up or **** off.
Haha! My feelings are not hurt, Need. I may have neglected to point out that much of his info is incorrect. The Y2K stuff is a prime example. an hysterical or angry tone is as much a tool of disinfo as actual disinformation. Moreover, It's not what one says it's what one does and behaving like a bully or a fool can undermine ones message. particularly if the message happens to be anti bullying and incompetence.

AJ is very good at culling (My bad!) together material on the topic of NWO conspiracy. I like Alan Watt and some of his guests but I can't listen for too long because the shouting and theatrics get tiring for me. He's one of many sources I gather info from and I would encourage you to similarly broaden your scope.

What am I gonna say? That I'll take the liar? :P
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:41 AM   #61
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Gotta love that smug Wilcock bashing/discrediting.

Stay classy Project Avalon forums!
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Old 01-31-2010, 11:07 AM   #62
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Who cares if you or anybody else feel offended? Take your hurt feelings somewhere else. Man up or **** off.
The moderators of this site care.

Be polite or leave.

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Old 01-31-2010, 01:18 PM   #63
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Hi Jetamus,
you didnt get the point: Its not about "bashing a smug", but to constructive rectify some possible mistakes for the betterment of a qualified discussion.
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Old 01-31-2010, 01:48 PM   #64
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You forgot to adress the Navy web site computer graphic of what happens when HAARP is turned up during the right atmospheric conditions which is the only smoking gun I need.

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Old 01-31-2010, 02:34 PM   #65
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Old 01-31-2010, 03:15 PM   #66
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A lady from Northern Norway, sent this message


EVERYBODY IS LYING ABOUT THE NORWAY SPIRAL


First: Thanks to all of you for a stunning work...I'm amazed by the effort, time and persistence some of you have done here..!

I've been watching this thread for days - and also the recent pictures from Nasa...there IS something there, and they're trying to hide occasionally. Our lady friend is referring to a thread by 2cents here at GLP about the spheres around the Sun

What I also wanted to add in these "weired times" is this:

People all over the world are SO wrong about where this picture of The Norway Spiral was taken:

[link to www.universetoday.com]

This is NOT from Tromsø - where the Eiscat is located! WISEUP what this friend is saying is so important and if Wilcox and co won't listen, it means they are feeding us ********, the guy is pot on, it doesn't get light there until nearly lunch time

It’s from an island called SKJERVØY. Jan Petter Jørgensen took it, and it show’s where he works, Lerøy Aurora – located at Fiskenes. [link to www.nordlys.no]

The direction of the spiral is east,north-east – towards Kvænangen.

Map: [link to www.kvasir.no]

I have the information from a local newspaper - but that article was only printed in paper, not on web. [link to www.framtidinord.no]

They interviewed Jan P. Jørgensen, and he explained how he came to take that picture on his way to work that morning. I've lived there myself, so I know the surroundings...

This link is to another newspaper where he tells the direction (east), but everybody seems to automatically believe it's Tromsø: [link to www.vg.no]

The sun doesn't get over the horizon for 2 months from 21. Nov until 21. Jan...and we definitely didn't have any sunrise at 7.45 in the morning 9. DEC...

We get a slight appearance of daylight around 11-12 mid day...depending on the date of month.

I've tried to make both Wilcock and Amini understand this, both they don't seem to correct anything....

Well - the future is exciting anyway, and whatever is meant to be will be...

Greetings and take care...


http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/01/p...carefully.html

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Old 01-31-2010, 05:59 PM   #67
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Hi tone,
i have to say:
1. First HAARP is in Alaska
2. No reports of any spiral from Alaska for years
3. The axis of rotation is perpendicular to the earth-surface. They beam the energy right up, above the facility, because that’s where the antenna is.
4. You might notice in the animation the small number counting. It’s the timeframe in nano-seconds. The whole animation shows the propagation of an (invisible) ionisation wave from 0-3000 ns, which is 0-3 micro-seconds. This animation cycle will repeat itself in real-time 330.000 times per second. So, in comparison to the Norway spiral, you would have to have a time-dilution factor of about 200.000 .
Imagine an ocean wave breaking and lets assume it takes 1 second for a bigger wave to brake - that would be HAARP speed. Please show me a place on earth where a similar wave will take longer than 48 hours to complete the same process - that would be the Norway spiral speed.
And then this effect would be still invisible.

So, its unfortunately not even a smoking brainer.
cheers

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Old 01-31-2010, 06:26 PM   #68
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Hi lumi:
Do you think that David will appreciate if I arrange for a 300 year old chick from the Pleiades? They might be matching, specially in the "I,..I..,I..,I..I.."-thing.
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Old 01-31-2010, 06:40 PM   #69
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A lady from Northern Norway, sent this message


EVERYBODY IS LYING ABOUT THE NORWAY SPIRAL


First: Thanks to all of you for a stunning work...I'm amazed by the effort, time and persistence some of you have done here..!

I've been watching this thread for days - and also the recent pictures from Nasa...there IS something there, and they're trying to hide occasionally. Our lady friend is referring to a thread by 2cents here at GLP about the spheres around the Sun

What I also wanted to add in these "weired times" is this:

People all over the world are SO wrong about where this picture of The Norway Spiral was taken:

[link to www.universetoday.com]

This is NOT from Tromsø - where the Eiscat is located! WISEUP what this friend is saying is so important and if Wilcox and co won't listen, it means they are feeding us ********, the guy is pot on, it doesn't get light there until nearly lunch time

It’s from an island called SKJERVØY. Jan Petter Jørgensen took it, and it show’s where he works, Lerøy Aurora – located at Fiskenes. [link to www.nordlys.no]

The direction of the spiral is east,north-east – towards Kvænangen.

Map: [link to www.kvasir.no]

I have the information from a local newspaper - but that article was only printed in paper, not on web. [link to www.framtidinord.no]

They interviewed Jan P. Jørgensen, and he explained how he came to take that picture on his way to work that morning. I've lived there myself, so I know the surroundings...

This link is to another newspaper where he tells the direction (east), but everybody seems to automatically believe it's Tromsø: [link to www.vg.no]

The sun doesn't get over the horizon for 2 months from 21. Nov until 21. Jan...and we definitely didn't have any sunrise at 7.45 in the morning 9. DEC...

We get a slight appearance of daylight around 11-12 mid day...depending on the date of month.

I've tried to make both Wilcock and Amini understand this, both they don't seem to correct anything....

Well - the future is exciting anyway, and whatever is meant to be will be...

Greetings and take care...


http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/01/p...carefully.html

Swami you know this info changes everything.

For some reason I can't access the links provided from here. (only to Gary's website) How convenient.


Somebody doesn't want this info out.

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Old 01-31-2010, 08:48 PM   #70
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somehow the links are mis-interpreting the ending bracket "]" as part of the link...

adjust that in the address bar and you will get the website...

(they are not in english- however)
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Old 01-31-2010, 09:43 PM   #71
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Swami you know this info changes everything.

For some reason I can't access the links provided from here. (only to Gary's website) How convenient.


Somebody doesn't want this info out.

Yes, I'd like to see the links and thank you Swami for posting this!
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Old 01-31-2010, 11:59 PM   #72
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ok guys- look how to do this...

take the brackets away - and you get a working link...
link to www.universetoday.com
link to www.nordlys.no
Map: link to www.kvasir.no
link to www.framtidinord.no
link to www.vg.no

...simple... people just need to be careful when they highlight text for setting as a link.. k?

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Old 02-01-2010, 12:35 AM   #73
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DW has done more than any of you to provide info and is a tireless worker.
He will be far too busy to even see this thread let alone answer your BS. Can't you think anything for yourselves?
He gives his opinion, he gives the data for us to make up our own minds at the same time.
The world needs more DWs whether we agree with him or not. He is a way more enlightened being than many here.
There are those that do and those that do not. Which one are you?
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Old 02-01-2010, 01:02 AM   #74
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Hi lumi:
Do you think that David will appreciate if I arrange for a 300 year old chick from the Pleiades? They might be matching, specially in the "I,..I..,I..,I..I.."-thing.

Thought I was bad for loving a 43 year old woman... that kind of takes it to a whole other level
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Old 02-01-2010, 02:41 AM   #75
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[SIZE="2"][COLOR="Cyan"]Hi tone,
i have to say:
1. First HAARP is in Alaska
There are multiple HAARP facilities around the globe.

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2. No reports of any spiral from Alaska for years
The one in Alaska is reportedly not run by the same PTB faction.

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3. The axis of rotation is perpendicular to the earth-surface. They beam the energy right up, above the facility, because that’s where the antenna is.
The direction, size, and shape of the spiral could have been vectored horizontally with the aid of some space based scalar satellite technology. Kind of talking out of my ass, but it is a possibility.
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