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Old 09-11-2008, 10:17 PM   #126
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"The D-21 drone was a single engine ramjet for reconnaisance. After that accident it was mounted on B-52's. I believe that there were many successful missions over China."

How did they get the engines running on the "drone" when it was mounted on the B-52, as you can see below it had to go over M 3 to fire up, it had to be one hell of a B-52.
I wasn't there but there were obviously modifications. It is unlikely that they got 'one hell of a' B-52 up to Mach 3. You need to get a grip.

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"No, it is not a coincidence. First of all it wasn't an SR-71 Blackbird, it was an A-12 modified with a back seat for the launch coordinater who was Ray Torick. Second of all they had to get the D-21 going over M 3 just to get the engine started and the A-12 was all they had. No coincidence there."

The SR-71 and the A-12 practicly are the same vehicle, get a grip man.
What does 'practically' mean? The A-12 was shorter, did not have chines, was a single seater, went faster and higher and there were several other changes.

But it was black. Maybe thats what you mean?
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"The D-21 drone was a single engine ramjet for reconnaisance. After that accident it was mounted on B-52's. I believe that there were many successful missions over China."

How did they get the engines running on the "drone" when it was mounted on the B-52, as you can see below it had to go over M 3 to fire up, it had to be one hell of a B-52.

"No, it is not a coincidence. First of all it wasn't an SR-71 Blackbird, it was an A-12 modified with a back seat for the launch coordinater who was Ray Torick. Second of all they had to get the D-21 going over M 3 just to get the engine started and the A-12 was all they had. No coincidence there."

The SR-71 and the A-12 practicly are the same vehicle, get a grip man.
How did they get the engine running on that "drone"
Still Waiting for an answer, John
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:21 PM   #128
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Well if this is true...

It would be an honor !

Permission to private message U for payment and details ?

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I wasn't there but there were obviously modifications. It is unlikely that they got 'one hell of a' B-52 up to Mach 3. You need to get a grip.



What does 'practically' mean? The A-12 was shorter, did not have chines, was a single seater, went faster and higher and there were several other changes.

But it was black. Maybe thats what you mean?
Have to go to sleep now, got to get up early in the morning.
What ever you think of our little conversation here, I realy like you John, you are one hell of a guy. Sweat dreams to you all.
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:36 PM   #130
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Exelent having you here Mr Lear.

Congratulations for all the work you have being doing during these years!








PD: all have to look at this wingmaker material from Dr Neruda interview!

Lets see:

Sarah: "This is what George Bush used to call the New World order isn't it? (!!)
Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but there have been four other presidents who've acknowledged this concept."
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Sarah: "What would make the world's people decide to unify under one governing body, or for that matter, create a global culture--whatever that means? I just can't envision it happening--not in my lifetime." (!!!!)
Dr. Neruda: "According to the WingMakers it will happen through the digital economy and then through the Internet's OLIN technology platform. And through this global network, entertainment and educational content will be globalized. This is the basis of a global culture with unified commerce, content, and communities. Once these pieces of the infrastructure are in place, then the need to govern this infrastructure will loom as the preeminent issue of the day. And the United Nations is the logical ruling body for such an endeavor. (!!!!!) As long as the World's people allow the digitization of the economy and embrace the OLIN technology platform, a global government and culture is virtually assured to emerge."

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Old 09-11-2008, 10:38 PM   #131
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Have to go to sleep now, got to get up early in the morning.
What ever you think of our little conversation here, I realy like you John, you are one hell of a guy. Sweat dreams to you all.

Thanks. You may not be aware but when the bluesuiters took over in 1967 there was a lot of ill will. Roadrunners might take considerable offense at someone calling their A-12 an SR-71.
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Old 09-11-2008, 10:44 PM   #132
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That an actual NWO organization does not exist.

The Illuminati/Jesuit Order/Rothschild Banking conglomerate use the NWO as their whipping boy.

I 100% agree... we have to get our heads realigned with what NWO is...

from what i understand, it is definately a mix of hundreds of 'secret organisations( FREEMASON BASED) /religious orders/ multi nationals who are the big players in the GAME'

NEW WORLD ORDER is a 'tag' which is convenient for the PTB to wrap their agendas around!!
I am totally loving the posts and information spilling out of this thread! keep going folks...great stuff!

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Old 09-12-2008, 12:08 AM   #133
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John a couple questions if you will let me. I thought when I saw your Camelot interview and OMF posts but just remembered. If the holograms were used, then surely there would be no need for video fakery?. One point that made me consider the holograms more, was that when the second plane hits, you see barely any wreckage start to fall to the ground. Its like the entire plane goes fully into the building and disapears so unlike a lot, i wont rule it out. Im still on the fence side where remote control smaller planes are used though

In relation to the van allen belt, are you saying we have no bases on the moon or mars?

also, I wish you were serious about the tin hats, I think I need to make one for my facebook profile
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Old 09-12-2008, 01:08 AM   #134
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OMG! About three pages back I was just trolling along reading all the 'hope he shows up on this site' posts and the next one I read popped up the cutest picture of himself in a birthday hat!! I was so tickled!! I respect and love reading anyone's works that takes me to new area's of awareness and being the curious Leo that I am, I hate not knowing the truth of just about ANYTHING so I'm still in the "Sponge" stage...so thank you so much John for being so generous in sharing your research ...

OK, I hope my little crush doesn't seem tooo gushy! I also want to thank you for posting the piece about the new area 51. I just finished reading the Millenium Hospitality series by Charles Hall and my first thought when I saw that post was if the 'tall whites' have moved to the new nevada digs or are still at Nellis...?

Also, just for funzies, would I still be in Integrity if I didn't vote in this election? (for the first time in my life)

thank you for being so accessable for us here John
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Old 09-12-2008, 02:07 AM   #135
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GoingToFast:

Why do all the videos of the WTC crashes conflict on trajectory and velocity?

Why will the film makers (lucky guys) never talk about their films and where some were even filmed?

Video fakes are child's play.

I hope this is not your only hypothesis.

The hologram is not even neccessary since no one saw it. If they did, they're liars, since it was moving 500mph (according to the videos - lol).

Now figure out how a airliner can go 500mph and hit anything, UNLESS it was remote controlled.

Google "Home Run" aircraft
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Old 09-12-2008, 02:14 AM   #136
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I agree with you on everything except we never went to the moon. If I had to pick the major reason why I don't think we ever orbited or landed on the moon I would pick that after Apollo 6 in which there were 500 major problems and starting with the next flight Apollo 7, there were none. No Problems, Except for Apollo 13 which was a faked emergency.

The transcripts of the Apollo missions are replete and litered with highly improbables: 'perfect', 'right', 'exactly as we predicted', 'within less than a second accuracy', all pure unadulterated bs as we never went anywhere. It was all video fakery. (as was 911).

Neil Armstrong refused to participate in the aftermath of the hoax which is why he went into virtual seclusion.

No Apollo mission ever went to the moon, orbited the moon or landed on the moon. It was a gigantic hoax specfically to convince the public that we could do anything we put our minds to which is not correct. We can do anything we put our minds to which does not include going further out into space than the Van Allen belt.
If this is true, then how are the aliens beating the van allen belt?

Regularly, I might add.

If they can pass, we can too! If they can hover, we can too! If they can travel through space in a little craft without some huge tank of fuel, we can too! Aliens=free energy!

I still *believe* many photos and possibly videos were faked. We may have gone, but those pristine photos are not real.

I am also trying to figure out how you can say that we didn't go, yet there are glass structures on the Moon.

Those photos are fake, correct?

Or was that in jest - including the parking garage...?
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Old 09-12-2008, 02:42 AM   #137
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Greets Mr. Lear

You may not see it but I just opened up a cold one and I am having a beer with you as I write this.

HAH!

Seriously…

I adopt the same philosophy for learning as you , I think, do. Today’s truths are tomorrow’s lies, so I try no to get too emotionally attached to my current reality, even though I need it to learn beyond it.

I have really enjoyed what you have had to share on camera and find your knowledge exhaustive to say the least. I have done my homework on 911 as well as most people here I suppose, and I never really discounted the no plane theories, because well….why discount all the possibilities when your still looking for a viable answer. I think we all agree on “who” did it, but not how.

I watched the videos hit youtube years back concerning the particle beam theory and found it compelling. Watching those planes just evaporate into those buildings did not leave my mind. It is certainly within reason and these are just weapons I can imagine working on the tech I can grasp, and I have had no briefings or friends working at Area 51 keeping me up to date. Holographic tech I can also imagine being a viable sensory replacement for what was really going on. I mean why not? I see the two working together well and think it as a perfectly viable explanation, The fact that these types of theories are the target of such scrutiny and even aggressive attacks by “other” factions in the 911 truth movement makes me look even closer at it from time to time.

But to be honest I don’t think a laymen like me will ever “know” what happened on 911 for sure, kind of like the JFK assassination. It is the “who” and “why” I spend most of my energy on. I also see a lot of heat that has built up between the “planer” and “no planer” theorist due to a competition that has built up between the two. To me this could just be a symptom of people becoming too emotionally attached to their ideology yet I find this to be interesting because it then becomes an argument of the level of control we are under.

For this whole 911 thing to have been sold to us, according to the no planer ideology, there would have to be a much more organized and sinister level of control happening on an audio and visual level than some are willing to accept, like chemtrails being used a holographical experiment to observe high altitude holograph effectiveness for instance. I just made it up, but who knows, they can do it, it is a matter of would they and why.

Just as you stated earlier about every comment made in the Apollo control room was a script, and a film, to fool us all then why not 911. To accept these ideas, one has just to accept the idea that these guys “would” do something like that, and not “could they”. Although I don’t think they would unload all those people from the real planes and let them go with new identities unless they were part of the team also, but most likely acceptable losses.

You consider the possibility of populations on the other planets in our solar system and I find that intriguing and entirely plausible given the fact that I have been lied to about our planets and their nature since birth. I also see it as essential to keep a planet ignorant of its surroundings if your going to control the planet. So I buy the idea for now, and was hoping you could expand on this some. I am curious if you feel they too are controlled as we are. By different controllers or the same as ours? Will a solar neighborhood one day be realized in which we all get along like best friends, or possible wars, or are they like us at all. Is there a bigger picture you have concerning these populations, that was only barely touched on during your interview?

I can see your not an advocate for the 2012 business, fair enough. I do see it as a definite astronomical event. If we or our souls are in any way tied spiritually to the earth and our sun, then perhaps there is some spiritual activity going on that has yet to meet the eye that may or may peak on 2012. I find it all interesting, and it is clear to me we are in the midst of another great awakening that dwarfs the previous ones that textbook history speaks of.

I was wondering if you could comment on the Overview Effect and how it may tie into this awakening sociologically, as well as the individual euphoric experiences, some astronauts have felt and described, that tends to lend credit to the change in consciousness in relationship to the earth. In my eyes this is an interesting phenomenon and I think of it when I think on the 2012 issue.

P.S. I’m having another beer…
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If this is true, then how are the aliens beating the van allen belt?
That should be obvious. They were the ones that put it there for our quarantine. We are not allowed to spread our hate and discontent and warlike attitudes. If we don't have any enemies we invent them like we invented the Muslim terrorist. We can't seem to build weapons more deadly or fast enough. Meanwhile if no enemies show up we bomb ourselves just in case anybody thinks we are not threatened.

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Regularly, I might add.
More than you cold ever imagine in your wildest dreams.

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If they can pass, we can too! If they can hover, we can too! If they can travel through space in a little craft without some huge tank of fuel, we can too! Aliens=free energy!
Yep. Thats the party line. But listen up. We aren't going anywhere without an escort and a damn good reason.

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I still *believe* many photos and possibly videos were faked. We may have gone, but those pristine photos are not real.
No, we never went.

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I am also trying to figure out how you can say that we didn't go, yet there are glass structures on the Moon.
Yeah heres a nuclear reactor they call Aristarchus:



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Those photos are fake, correct?

Or was that in jest - including the parking garage...?
Yeah, here is a refinery on the far side. Oh forgot, you think I jest.

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John a couple questions if you will let me. I thought when I saw your Camelot interview and OMF posts but just remembered. If the holograms were used, then surely there would be no need for video fakery?.
The jury is still out. Everyone of the videos were faked. Most witnesses saw no planes. Was Flight 11 a hologram and 175 video fakery? Was each a little of both?

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One point that made me consider the holograms more, was that when the second plane hits, you see barely any wreckage start to fall to the ground. Its like the entire plane goes fully into the building and disapears so unlike a lot, i wont rule it out.
All I am saying is that between all four airplanes there should be at least one or two of the 9.6 million serialized and documented parts with associated part numbers that we can identify. Between the 4 airplanes there was approximately 300 miles of wiring, every 6 inches of which is stamped with a long part number telling were it is coming from, where it is going to and its rating. All I want is 6 inches with that number. I mean the 300 miles of wiring had to go somewhere. It can't all have burned up.

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Im still on the fence side where remote control smaller planes are used though
Nope. No remote control planes. Too risky.

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In relation to the van allen belt, are you saying we have no bases on the moon or mars?
I no longer believe we have any bases on the moon or Mars. But let me caution you. I have been wrong before.

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also, I wish you were serious about the tin hats, I think I need to make one for my facebook profile
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Yeah heres a nuclear reactor they call Aristarchus:

I've a question on the nuclear reactor.
I admit it really looks strange and obviously isn't natural.
With all this glowing light.

But why is it a nuclear reactor? And why is it stated there so openly?
Isnt that quite risky?

I mean, we on earth wrap our nuclear reactors in concrete domes with high security.

And a 2nd question: If "they" means Aliens, why do they still use such a pre-historic energy source/technology?

I thought they are so high adavanced, using anti-gravity and free energy?


Isnt that a bit puzzling?
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Mr. Lear...
Why have you changed your mind about bases on the moon... Just curious.
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I was wondering if you could comment on the Overview Effect and how it may tie into this awakening sociologically, as well as the individual euphoric experiences, some astronauts have felt and described, that tends to lend credit to the change in consciousness in relationship to the earth. In my eyes this is an interesting phenomenon and I think of it when I think on the 2012 issue.

P.S. I’m having another beer…
Euphoric events are caused by too much euphoria. Change in consciousness caused by same thing. No great sociological awakening is coming. No spiritual leader going to take your hand or light the way. There is going to be no rapture. Nothing is going to happen in 2012 except same old wars. Same old famine. Same old terrorists. Same old taxes.

If you want a better deal then its a 'do-it-yourself' proposition:

Live your life with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed. When you have mastered that you get to go out and play with the adults in the universe.

You don't have to worship a god or go to church or put money in the collection bag or read the bible or praise the lord or say your prayers or become a christian or any of that bs.

All you have to do is live your life with integrity; and meet the challenges placed before you without envy, hate or greed.
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Why have you changed your mind about bases on the moon... Just curious.

I don't mind telling you that it was a b****.

What happend was Zorgon sent me over some NASA Apollo landing videos and asked me what I thought of them. I watched the first, then the second and then the third and thought, "Omigod...these are fakes."

It was obvious that they had been made at the fake moon at the Langley Research Center. while I watched the video I carefully listened to the audio. Having been a pilot for 42 years I can instantly tell when somebody is faking a transmission. And the guys that read those scripts were faking it big time. Almost big time enough to think they were trying to send a message to other pilots.

Then I got the other three landing videos and watched them. They are so fake you can tell by the diameters of the craters. They mention they are descending out of 30,000 feet and then 1000 feet and the craters is the exact same diameter.

I felt sick at my stomach for a few days because I realized the enormity of the hoax. We never went anywhere. We don't have bases on the moon. We don't have bases on Mars. We never even orbited the moon. It was all faked and it was all a gigantic hoax.
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I don't mind telling you that it was a b****.

What happend was Zorgon sent me over some NASA Apollo landing videos and asked me what I thought of them. I watched the first, then the second and then the third and thought, "Omigod...these are fakes."

It was obvious that they had been made at the fake moon at the Langley Research Center. while I watched the video I carefully listened to the audio. Having been a pilot for 42 years I can instantly tell when somebody is faking a transmission. And the guys that read those scripts were faking it big time. Almost big time enough to think they were trying to send a message to other pilots.

Then I got the other three landing videos and watched them. They are so fake you can tell by the diameters of the craters. They mention they are descending out of 30,000 feet and then 1000 feet and the craters is the exact same diameter.

I felt sick at my stomach for a few days because I realized the enormity of the hoax. We never went anywhere. We don't have bases on the moon. We don't have bases on Mars. We never even orbited the moon. It was all faked and it was all a gigantic hoax.
I see.. I heard a while back that the entire mission was a hoax due to the van allen belts alone. Don't know much about it except that it is deadly radiation and that there was no way a manned flight could have gotten past them and that it is also the reason we never "went back".. if at all.
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I've a question on the nuclear reactor.
I admit it really looks strange and obviously isn't natural.
With all this glowing light.

But why is it a nuclear reactor?
Because the blue is the Cerenkov effect which is when radiation comes in contact with molecules of air it glows a faint blue.

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And why is it stated there so openly?
That photo was taken by Mike's Astrophotography for thelivingmoon.com.

Any photo you see taken by NASA is pure white with occasional blue.

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Isnt that quite risky?
NASA never showed the public the true photo of Aristarchus. We caught them with their pants down big time.

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I mean, we on earth wrap our nuclear reactors in concrete domes with high security.
Oh its wrapped alright but its a glass you can see right through.

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And a 2nd question: If "they" means Aliens, why do they still use such a pre-historic energy source/technology?
'They' means the guys that live on the moon. Don't know why they use that type of energy if what we are looking at is really that type of energy.

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I thought they are so high adavanced, using anti-gravity and free energy?
If I ever get to the moon I will ask them.

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Isnt that a bit puzzling?
Yes, just like Lazar's educational documentation. Lets start of list here of puzzling things. Put down, 'why does Venus rotate backward on its axis?'
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btw...
sorry to hear about all the BS you dealt with at ATS. I heard that they are on the inside anyway... reverse debunkers.
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How did they get the engine running on that "drone"
Still Waiting for an answer, John

They attached a rocket below the drone to get it up to speed to get the ramjet started.

Here's a photo of the B-52 with the D-21 (oh, excuse me, I mean the 1966 model of Aurora ) and the rocket below it. And no. The B-52 never went Mach 3.

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That should be obvious. They were the ones that put it there for our quarantine. We are not allowed to spread our hate and discontent and warlike attitudes. If we don't have any enemies we invent them like we invented the Muslim terrorist. We can't seem to build weapons more deadly or fast enough. Meanwhile if no enemies show up we bomb ourselves just in case anybody thinks we are not threatened.



More than you cold ever imagine in your wildest dreams.



Yep. Thats the party line. But listen up. We aren't going anywhere without an escort and a damn good reason.



No, we never went.



Yeah heres a nuclear reactor they call Aristarchus:





Yeah, here is a refinery on the far side. Oh forgot, you think I jest.

They need refineries?

That crater is more likely to be an asteroid impact with uranium, than a power plant.

I am of the opinion of UFO = FREE ENERGY, which means they don't need either of the above.
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They need refineries?

That crater is more likely to be an asteroid impact with uranium, than a power plant.
Are you takng about Aristarchus? An asteroid impact with uranium? What kind of uranium glows blue?

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Yeah, you're probably correct.
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Are you takng about Aristarchus? An asteroid impact with uranium? What kind of uranium glows blue?



Yeah, you're probably correct.
Aristarchus? Yes, but beats me what color that is!

I am sure there is an element that may glow blue under certain conditions.
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