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Old 01-18-2009, 05:56 PM   #1
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Overlook of the Alien-Demonic Connection

From the newsletter of Jonathan Gray



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“Sorry, your son has been killed in Vietnam,” Jenny Rowe was
officially informed.

The grieving mother was then comforted by a friend who
invited her to come to a séance and she would meet her
dead son.

At the meeting, her friend was proved “right” when the
“dead son” appeared before his emotional and happy
mother.

They hugged and kissed, and told each how much they loved
one another. Then the “son” said, “I must return to
heaven.”

Jenny went home that night the happiest mother in the
whole of North America. Some time later, she answered a
knock on the door. When she opened the door, there was
her son, dressed in his military uniform.

He had just returned unexpectedly from Vietnam.

What a shock!

Her son explained how his group had been cut off by the
Viet Cong and captured. The United States Army had
reported them dead. But now they had been found, rescued
and given an immediate pass for home leave.

“But who was it?” Jenny gasped. “Who was it that I hugged
and kissed down at the local seance?”

Who was that non-human being who resembled him in every
minute detail… from the smile, the dimple and even the
voice? Certainly not her son!

In a few minutes I have a shock for you. But first…

HAVE YOU MET AN ALIEN?



Are alien beings walking among us? Are ETs softening us
up for an outer space invasion?

Are we in danger of attack from outer space? Why are the
world’s most powerful nations setting weaponry facing
into outer space?

GOVERNMENTS TALK ABOUT UFOS



Japan’s Defense Minister Shigeru Ishiba is considering
how his Self-Defense Forces could respond to an attack by
space aliens while adhering to limits on military action
under the country’s war-renouncing Constitution.

Last month Ishiba said, “There are no grounds for us to
deny there are unidentified flying objects and some life-
form that controls them.”


Ishiba added that if the aliens arrived in Japan in
peace, a military response would not be legal under the
Constitution. He also said he was concerned about
communication difficulties if a UFO landed.

In London, Jeremy Lovell reports that aliens have been
visiting Britain for years. The Ministry of Defense files
show that the alien craft come in all shapes, sizes and
colors but their occupants are uniformly green.

The Ministry dismisses 90 per cent of the reports as
having mundane explanations and leave 10 percent with a
question mark and the assurance that they are no defense
threat.

Royal Air Force personnel, civil aviation pilots and air
traffic controllers have also reported sightings and
radar tracks that remain unexplained despite high-level
investigation.

Among the most famous was the sighting on two occasions
of unexplained bright lights landing near a US air base
in Rendlesham Forest in southern England. Even the deputy
commander of the base put his name to that report.

Not all sightings can be easily dismissed as the working
of overwrought or intoxicated minds, or triggered by
watching movies.

Granted, trickery can make people see things that do not
exist. Yet, there are some things which cannot be
explained by trickery, but suggest, rather, an
intelligence behind them.

And now I have a surprise for you.

ET ENCOUNTERS AND SEANCES
- 5 SURPRISING LINKS


Now this may shake you. Are you sitting down?






There is a confirmed connection between UFO occupants
conversing with men and women, and the various
experiences associated with modern Satanism and the
occult.


This is not to deny the existence of many other inhabited
worlds - but to state, simply, that these are not the
source of the so-called 'aliens' we are encountering.




On Monday, September 7, 1992, a television program,
Inside Edition, aired a story about six people – five men
and a woman – who were in the United States Air Force,
stationed in Germany. They were there to gather highly
secret information for the Air Force.

Then one day they suddenly disappeared. An all-points
bulletin was issued to find them, capture them and return
them to the Air Force authorities. Should they resist
arrest, they were to be “exterminated”.

They were finally found in Florida, in a small town near
Fort Walton Beach, when one of them was stopped for a
minor traffic violation.

One of the men, a USAF officer, finally consented to an
interview. He talked with the Inside Edition
investigative reporter, but would tell only a bare
minimum. However, the little he did say was most
revealing. It supports my contention that saucers and
aliens are linked with spiritism.

The six of them had been playing with a Ouija board (a
spiritualist method of “contact” disguised as a game).
The message was spelled out to them that they were to go
to a certain town in Florida to meet the “christ”, who
would be coming in a flying saucer.

In case you didn’t know, Avitar, witchcraft’s “christ” is
also the “christ” of the New Age movement.


Witchcraft believes that this Avitar will come in a
saucer and precede the coming of the [New Age] Christ.

The connection with witchcraft is unmistakable. In Ohio
witches routinely “conjure up” at their covens (meeting
places) spacecraft and their aliens. Every time they do
this, there is a rash of sightings. The Ohio town where
this occurs is known for frequent sightings of saucers.
Many photos of saucers have been taken by observers here.

The Ouija board connection is proof positive of the
nature of the saucers. It appears that they emanate from
the same source.

THE SPIRITISM LINKS



Their strategy is simple. Just convince humans of their
“saving” mission and it is half way to control.


Naturally, this will involve communication.

Stop right here! What you now have is the encounter of
humans with non-human spirit beings.

Is this real? Indeed, it is.

At this point there is a definite connection with
spiritism, demonology, séances, and other forms of
exchange with the spirit dimension.

As noted investigator John Keel observes: “The UFO
manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor
variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon.”
(John Keel.Operation Trojan Horse. p. 266)


SAME PHYSICAL ABILITIES:
BOTH ETS AND SÉANCE SPIRITS




Notice these points of convergence.

1. ALIENS APPEAR TEMPORARILY
AS PHYSICAL BEINGS


Although it sounds unbelievable, here is a reality we
shall have to face. Aliens can be present with us in an
invisible state. They can make themselves only partially
visible. Or they can appear temporarily as totally
physical.

As a hard nosed skeptic I may question the reality of
things I do not understand, or that I have not
experienced personally.

However, there are some realities that require a lot of
explaining away.

For example, spirit entities can speak. They can send
messages through spirit mediums. They can slam doors,
move furniture, and toss things through the air, hurl
objects across a room, press hands around your neck to
choke you and leave finger mark bruises as evidence.

I personally know credible people who have experienced
such encounters.

Moreover, spirit entities can materialise visibly as
persons – or in any shape. These are not imagination.
They are definitely REAL!

The noted spiritist, Thomson Jay Hudson correctly states:
“The man who denies the phenomena of spiritism today is
not entitled to be called a skeptic, he is simply
ignorant.”


ENERGY AND MATTER MANIPULATED


This is true both with UFO occupants and the appearances
at séances. As UFO investigators Ankerberg and Weldon
concur:

“…it seems evident that these phenomena are produced
in the same manner that other occult manipulations
are produced. They involve dramatic manipulations of
matter and energy. Although they originate from the
spiritual world, they can produce very powerful,
temporarily physical manifestations at the material
level.” (John Ankerberg and John Weldon, The Facts
on UFOs and Other Supernatural Phenomena. pp. 36-37)


Many characteristics attributed to aliens conform
precisely to the biblical “spiritual yet physical”
descriptions of angelic beings.

Angelic beings are mentioned on dozens of occasions in
the Bible. It records that angels are spirits. However,
they can appear visibly to mankind as men. And so
physically real can they appear that we do not recognise
them as angels.

It claims that the Legion of Lucifer (so-called “aliens”)
are fallen angelic beings. And it gives us their history.

2. ALIENS APPEAR IN ANY NUMBER
OF GUISES AND SHAPES



You can see in this David Icke book that one eye is the so called "reptilian race" and the "other" eye of the being is a Nordic-like "good" space alien.

Aliens can control what we think we see. You should be
aware that these entities can impersonate or take any
physical appearance they choose. They have enormous mind
abilities.

They have the ability to use their minds to project
physical images for people to see.

As you probably know, everything in energy vibrates at
different speeds. If you could use your mind to re-
vibrate that energy to a different resonance – that is,
to change the sound range of the body - you could appear
in any form you wanted.

Physical matter is the result of sound resonating energy
into form. This is simply the natural laws of creation at
work.

Hence the "Legion of Lucifer" can materialize or
dematerialize. They can appear in any form - as humans,
or as snarling, hideous creatures. But that is just a
vibrational overcoat.

Of this you can be certain. These spirit entities do not
have the ability to create something from nothing. But
they can materialize existing matter. They can
manufacture UFOs and juggle genes.

Abductees claim that the aliens have sometimes disguised
themselves as well known celebrities, Jesus, the pope,
and even the dead spouses of the abductees.




Let a spiritualist tell us: “Sometimes this was done in
order to get the cooperation of the abductee, even to
the extent of having sexual intercourse with him or
her. (Dr Karla Turner, “Aliens – Friends or Foes?” UFO
Universe, spring 1993)

This is true both with regard to UFO occupants and with
the appearances at spiritistic séances.

The "Legion of Lucifer", not limited physically, as we are,
can impersonate or take any physical appearance they
choose. As we have already noted, they materialize
inanimate objects. Spirit beings have that ability. Also,
they have had thousands of years of practice at
manipulating man’s senses, causing him to see, hear,
feel, smell and taste things that are not real.


3. ALIENS VUSIBLY CHANGE SHAPE

Just as in spiritistic séances, so in ET encounters.

The spirit being can use an apparent human form to hide
his true nature. There are numerous encounters in which
the spirit or alien has later changed his appearance.

Some people who have been abducted by ETs have recalled
how their abductors at first looked quite human, but then
changed to look like humanoid reptiles.

Changing from one shape to another is true both with
regard to UFO occupants and with the entities at
spiritistic encounters. The term for this is “shape-
shifting”.

4. ALIENS CAN APPEAR AS BEINGS OF LIGHT


Do you remember the history of Randall Baer?

In the ancient account of Lucifer confronting our first
parents, it is reported that he was able to appear as
something he wasn’t. He did so by either altering his
form, or by using a snake (reptile) as the medium.

Lucifer literally means “light-bearer” or “shining one”.
Ancient writings report him as masquerading as a
“messenger of light”. Evidently, those so-called ETs with
him are not what they appear to be.

-In www.beyonthephysicalrealm.com, Carolyn Hamlett told that she actually meet the "eye" and discribe it as a Large Pillar of Light.-

Not only do UFOs commonly appear as objects of light, but
contactees have described some aliens as changing into
“beings of light”. This gave the illusion of a divine
encounter.


This is true both with regard to UFO occupants and with
the appearances at spiritistic séances.

5. ALIENS CAN PASS THROUGH WALLS

Aliens have been reported as passing through walls.
Similarly, beings also materialise through walls at
spiritualistic séances.

SAME INCREDIBLE ABILITIES:
BOTH ETS AND SÉANCE SPIRITS


These “spiritual yet physical” characteristics of aliens
enable us to understand why the "Legion of Lucifer" are
able to perform such incredible physics-defying feats in
their masquerade as aliens.

Certainly so many reports of encounters with aliens
resemble ancient stories and descriptions of “demons”.
Many researchers have noted this similarity.

ALIENS POSING AS EXTRA-TERRESTRIALS




However, you may well take note. Do not be surprised if
they are materializing as various life form shapes to
push an evil agenda. There is strong, documented evidence
that these are agencies posing as something they are not.



They make claims of having arrived from Venus, the
Pleiades or some other part of the universe. Sometimes
they claim to serve a Higher Being, or to be reincarnated
humans. They voice all sorts of claims.


But there is evidence, again, that they are not what they
claim – nor do they come from where they claim.


“WE’VE BEEN WATCHING YOU”

One May morning the United States, two sisters, Helen and
Betty Mitchell, had been shopping. And as they stopped
off for a coke, two men in grey suits approached them.

They introduced themselves as from a large space craft
which was orbiting the earth. Their names were Elen and
Zelas.

“For the past 8 years, our people have been closely
watching you,” they told the girls. “In fact, your
progress has been watched since you were born.”

The girls sniggered. “Oh come on, is this some sort of
joke?” they asked.

“Very well, how about this?” said one of the men. And he
began to tell them things about their family life that
only the girls would know about.



“You have been chosen as contacts – channels,” said one
of the men. “Through you we plan to give certain
information to people on earth. We’re here because of
brotherhood and science. We’re very concerned about man’s
nuclear weapons program and its pollution of your planet.
We are on a mission of mercy to warn earth’s
inhabitants.”


-Do you remember the video?, Jordan MAxwell, water of grace, water of life?-

There appeared to be kindness and warmth in the men’s
eyes. They talked for a little over two hours. Then they
promised to contact the girls again.

Later, outside of St Louis, Helen was taken to a circular
craft, then up to the “mother craft”.

They told the girls that the Space Brothers wanted to
prepare the people of earth to accept their existence.
They wanted to guide the people to proper understanding,
so peace would be possible.

GOOD AND BAD GUYS”

The girls were warned of crafty and mischievous aliens
who abduct people. There was a struggle between the good
and the evil aliens, it was said. “We, the good guys,”
they said, “are being opposed by an evil force.”

Then they asked the girls a favour. “We want you to
prepare a book for us. We want you to expose the whole
untruth connected with the story of the fallen angels.”

Shrewd move, “Space Brothers”! Take the attention off the
Legion of Lucifer – and instead focus all attention on
non-existent “visiting aliens”.

Disarm people and make them believe that evil is good.
What a charade!

These two aliens then made some predictions, which
(remembering these were prophesied in 1957) have mostly
turned out to be false. The predictions largely concerned
how things on earth would be.

These “aliens” can appear with Eurasian features, with
Caucasian features, as long and spindly, or short, and
pumpkin-headed.



Others are somewhat large-headed, with small, thin slit-
like mouths, small nose slits, no ears to speak of and
large slanted or round eyes. These are reported in about
90 percent of abduction cases.

These are the so-called bad guys, who perform surgery on
abducted humans.

The rest of the ETs appear as peace-loving, concerned and
interested in our welfare. They claim that their master
has sent them to warn the world to change its ways, or
disaster will befall us. They can be very convincing.

Sometimes they will confess their real identity. Other
times they will deny who they are.

But it is possible to identify them. They are operating
UNDER A MASQUERADE.


Well, what do you think? Anyway, I’ll tell
you this. As an archaeologist and historian over 40
years, part of my job has been to investigate the UFO
phenomenon thoroughly. And I have uncovered some secrets
that will astonish you.

My team and I have spent hundreds of hours tying up the
loose ends, so that you'll have the best information at
your immediate call.

If you would like to discover more about this, please go
to:
http://www.beforeus.com/aliens.php

You never know when you - or someone dear to you - will
find this useful.

I trust that in this new year you are enjoying the best
of good things.

So until next time,

Keep safe.


If you want to know all the investigation in detail please get the book "Alien: The Deadly Secret".


Cheers!

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Old 01-18-2009, 07:32 PM   #2
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Wow! You put together quite a collection! I'm making an assumption that at least 90% of the alien and supernatural phenomenon is demonic in nature. I am trying to be open to most viewpoints and information regarding ufo's, aliens, spirits, etc. But I do not try to experiment supernaturally, be regressed, etc. I have had a couple of uninvited supernatural physical object manipulating experiences which I assumed were demonic. I'm further assuming, that at least for now, it is us against the bad-guys, without a lot of assistance from the good-guys. I'm thinking that this has something to do with intergalactic law...if there is such a thing. What if we were tempted by the reptillians(or the spirits who possessed the reptillians) and those of us who followed them...waged war against our brothers and sisters who rejected the snakes. What if the good guys and gals were driven from this earth...and the intergalactic judge ruled that we would be largely on our own untill December 21, 2012? Could this be Judgment Day? Will Nibiru (wherever or whatever it is) be the new prison planet...where everything evil on earth will be sent? Are the reptillians the gods of this world? Is God really Satan...at least here on earth...for now? I'd love to travel the universe in a ufo piloted by benevolent et's...but I will need exhaustive evidence that the 'benevolent' et's really are, in fact, benevolent. Are some of the human-looking aliens, such as the Pleiadians...really our brothers and sisters who we drove from planet earth? Was Jesus one of our expelled brothers? Will we have the family reunion of all time...sometime soon? Will this be what is known as the Second Coming of Christ? Unfortunately, I am expecting the Battle of Armageddon and the Coming of the Demonic Aliens (out of the DUMB's?) to occur first. I have a feeling we are in for a hell of a time over the next few years. Put on your hell-mets and fasten your seatbelts...and don't forget your light-sabres!

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Old 01-19-2009, 05:34 PM   #3
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Wow! You put together quite a collection! I'm making an assumption that at least 90% of the alien and supernatural phenomenon is demonic in nature. I am trying to be open to most viewpoints and information regarding ufo's, aliens, spirits, etc. But I do not try to experiment supernaturally, be regressed, etc. I have had a couple of uninvited supernatural physical object manipulating experiences which I assumed were demonic. I'm further assuming, that at least for now, it is us against the bad-guys, without a lot of assistance from the good-guys. I'm thinking that this has something to do with intergalactic law...if there is such a thing. What if we were tempted by the reptillians(or the spirits who possessed the reptillians) and those of us who followed them...waged war against our brothers and sisters who rejected the snakes. What if the good guys and gals were driven from this earth...and the intergalactic judge ruled that we would be largely on our own untill December 21, 2012? Could this be Judgment Day? Will Nibiru (wherever or whatever it is) be the new prison planet...where everything evil on earth will be sent? Are the reptillians the gods of this world? Is God really Satan...at least here on earth...for now? I'd love to travel the universe in a ufo piloted by benevolent et's...but I will need exhaustive evidence that the 'benevolent' et's really are, in fact, benevolent. Are some of the human-looking aliens, such as the Pleiadians...really our brothers and sisters who we drove from planet earth? Was Jesus one of our expelled brothers? Will we have the family reunion of all time...sometime soon? Will this be what is known as the Second Coming of Christ? Unfortunately, I am expecting the Battle of Armageddon and the Coming of the Demonic Aliens (out of the DUMB's?) to occur first. I have a feeling we are in for a hell of a time over the next few years. Put on your hell-mets and fasten your seatbelts...and don't forget your light-sabres!
hihihi a lot of good questions, my stake is that the 2000 and now, 2012 stuff is the popularization and "aceptation" of the depopulation plan of the evil, like Jonathan Grey called them, "legion of lucifer" controling the New World (Dis) Order of spiritually illiterated humans lapdogs of them.

In other topic I think that the aliens allways has been the ancient "demonic" beings but now, we called aliens, and you know why? exactly, because in the tv are called aliens. Suported by Vatican of course like the monsenior Corradi (that's the name of the "ufologist" in the vatican?).

That guy isn't an ufologist, he Actually, is a Demonologist (and I don't mean that the ufos are demonic and angelic, I mean that's his actual degree, like Leo Zagami Say in the camelot interview).

Other thing the compilation is a resume of the Great Book called Aliens: Deadly Secret by Jonathan Grey, and He do the comnpilation, I just edited it to make more present some parts of the text and put funny pictures hahaha.

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Nice work Ashatav,
I too hold that 'aliens' are the demonic forces of old, just with a modern day interpretation.

Thanks for the hard work - I hope more people read it.

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Nice work Ashatav,
I too hold that 'aliens' are the demonic forces of old, just with a modern day interpretation.

Thanks for the hard work - I hope more people read it.

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One of the oldest civilisations the reptilian is the D.... race or influence upon earth and countless other worlds. What if they know they are reaching the end of their rule...do they mix with other races in vain hope of remaining a super power...halflings...negative abductions etc.

Is the human being the weapon which will push this old outdated empire into its corner and allow other life to grow with freedom, love and peace?

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How to stop alien abductions???


We know that the alien phenomenon is the same Angelic-Demonic conflict from ages with another name....



If you want to know that please go to the following link:


How to protect yourselve from alien "abductions"


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Aliens may be interdimensional


I put this article for the sole reason of make the thread more visible, jaja.

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I vehemently oppose the above link you just posted.

Here's why....

the human organism functions as a portal for higher dimensional energies to manifest through....

the functioning of the portal in the center of the head is contingent upon receiving enough power to allow it to operate...

the power flows from the base of the spine...

if there is a kink in the main line (the spine)... the power will not flow to the brain and the realization of Unity, which is the Key to Infinity, will not be unlocked...

If the realization remains unrealized, the individual consciousness believes it to be a separate, lonely entity wandering in the universe....

making the individual easy prey for the hungry, i.e. demonic influence...

the above URL you posted can create such a kink at the solar plexus region in the spine....
when people read the text they are dis-empowered because they are told calling upon the name of God will not save them from abduction...

this keeps the power at the base of the spine from rising past the solar plexus, which is the nexus of separatist, individual consciousness....

if the power at the base of the spine were to reach the heart chakra, those that prey upon the unsuspecting would be subsequently dis-empowered. For that which is not from the Source lacks Source energy, i.e. the Shakti, Kundalini, fundamental powerhouse, generative force, etc.

Ergo, the link you just posted (albeit haphazardly) is a total spiderweb concocted to trap the unsuspecting in a web of deceit....

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An individual need only dive into the Heart, to remain conscious of Consciousness... the Intelligent Infinity whose nature is Love.

This is the protection that is afforded all the children of the most high allowing the blessing hidden at the base of the spine to rise naturally thereby restoring power to the brain and unlocking the divine potential hid within every one of us.

Blessings.
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I vehemently oppose the above link you just posted.

Here's why....

the human organism functions as a portal for higher dimensional energies to manifest through....

the functioning of the portal in the center of the head is contingent upon receiving enough power to allow it to operate...

the power flows from the base of the spine...

if there is a kink in the main line (the spine)... the power will not flow to the brain and the realization of Unity, which is the Key to Infinity, will not be unlocked...

If the realization remains unrealized, the individual consciousness believes it to be a separate, lonely entity wandering in the universe....

making the individual easy prey for the hungry, i.e. demonic influence...

the above URL you posted can create such a kink at the solar plexus region in the spine....
when people read the text they are dis-empowered because they are told calling upon the name of God will not save them from abduction...

this keeps the power at the base of the spine from rising past the solar plexus, which is the nexus of separatist, individual consciousness....

if the power at the base of the spine were to reach the heart chakra, those that prey upon the unsuspecting would be subsequently dis-empowered. For that which is not from the Source lacks Source energy, i.e. the Shakti, Kundalini, fundamental powerhouse, generative force, etc.

Ergo, the link you just posted (albeit haphazardly) is a total spiderweb concocted to trap the unsuspecting in a web of deceit....

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An individual need only dive into the Heart, to remain conscious of Consciousness... the Intelligent Infinity whose nature is Love.

This is the protection that is afforded all the children of the most high allowing the blessing hidden at the base of the spine to rise naturally thereby restoring power to the brain and unlocking the divine potential hid within every one of us.


Blessings.
I agree,thats where the idea in the image below came from. The shishuma is blocked as the aspirant disempowers him or her self causing a curviture in the spine. The hunch back of notre dame Isis
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You religious nut-jobs should push your FEAR AGENDA of lies somewhere else.
Thats all I'm going to say here.. Ive been watching you.

You're not worth any more of my time.
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Old 03-18-2009, 09:33 PM   #12
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Hi all, this is the conclusion of the strange case of a friend "contactee"

If you dont know it, this is a friend who is contactee of an alien who knows all of him, knows what he thinks and a lot of strange "prooves". (if you don't thing that my friend is a looney hahahaha )

ok

I contacted my friend "contactee" and we start to talk, suddenly my friend very friegted tell me that the "alien" was in internet and told that he must not talk to me.

A little time after my friend tell me that the "alien" wants to talk to me.

The "alien" put parts of one of the books made by the illuminist Zacharias Sitchin (remember that one of the steps of the illuminists "career" is being Possessed by deamons!!, se "The illuminati from within" in google videos by Bill Schnoebelen! Is Totally Amazing!).

I got bored I advance in my super plan to proove that the "alien" is Really, a scammer demon like Carolyn Hamlett, Bill Deagle, Dr. Stanley Monteith and Jonathan Gray Says.

I ask the super question,, hahaha, I ask him "what, and who, for you, is Yeshua'ha Mechaich, Jesus, the "Father in the Flesh"?.

And, of course, like I thought, the "alien" Just evaded the question. I asked again, and the "alien" evaded again, I question "why you are evadeing tha simple queston" the "alien" changues the subjet, I asked "why are you changing the subjet" and the alien evaded the question, evaded and evaded never answering it.

I understand thet the "alien" can not answer that question without revealing what is and changue the question, I ask him "what and who is lucifer for you" and he answerd me that "is the thing whi lives in the inside of the greedy people" a very lame answerd for a "alien" (but is you think, the illuminists are "possesed by the demons so maybe he is right haha).

So he tell me that I must go to the house of my "contactee" friend and he will wait us there. I told my friend but he don't want to (allways hapens strange things to him and he don't want more of those) and, after talking with the "alien" I know that is a Scam like almost ALL of the contactees cases.

Cheers, by the way, he told me that he comes froms the Pleyades hahahaha.

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The word "Demonic" is being used far to ambiguously by factions of the new age movement. People are carting all negative entities into the category of Demonic. I don't like unethical ET's at all, but they are far from demons. Negatively polarized yes, but a demon is a completely different kind of creature.

Negative ET's whether we like it or not are a natural part of our specific Universe. A Demon however is not. Demons are EU's (Extra Universals). They are invaders from a parallel universe that has a base frequency much lower than our own. In their universe they are normal. They are not supposed to be here and have no qualms about raping the laws of this universe.

Lets be specific when discussing negative entities. Lets leave the grouping of all of them into one category to the Catholic Church.
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You religious nut-jobs should push your FEAR AGENDA of lies somewhere else.
Thats all I'm going to say here.. Ive been watching you.

You're not worth any more of my time.

Who specifically is a religious nut-job? Christian religious nut-jobs or New Age religious nut-jobs? What is the definition of religious nut-job? Who has been set up as a judge to determine who is, and who is not, a religious nut-job? Is there a religious nut-job police? The NWO perhaps? Are there no negatives regarding aliens, spirits, ufo's, etc? Might it be a lie to say that Reptilians and Greys are brothers...and friends of the Human Race?

Religious Nut-Jobs Unite!

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We may find out this July....
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Old 03-19-2009, 09:16 AM   #17
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Orthodoxymoron - I do love your way of defusing
anger with humour.

I don't want to follow you down all the pathways
of your mind - but I admire your open-mindedness -
and I feel there is a link between us somewhere -
possibly a similar religious background??

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Good work Ashatav

I think aliens are divided in two categories angelic and demonic.

Here you can find information about benevolent races:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/242457/Def...-Sacred-Ground

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7051700/Thiaoouba-Prophecy

http://www.theyfly.com/
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Orthodoxymoron - I do love your way of defusing
anger with humour.

I don't want to follow you down all the pathways
of your mind - but I admire your open-mindedness -
and I feel there is a link between us somewhere -
possibly a similar religious background??


Thank-you. The pathways of my mind pass through many minefields...and I have scars to prove it. I am a religious nut-case. It all began when I joined the Church of Ignorance and Intolerance. Gotta go...they're coming to take me away! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXZMZ...eature=related

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Good work Ashatav

I think aliens are divided in two categories angelic and demonic.

Here you can find information about benevolent races:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/242457/Def...-Sacred-Ground

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7051700/Thiaoouba-Prophecy

http://www.theyfly.com/
Yeah Maier is the most distinct case of a Pleyadian contactee hahaha, like my friend who contacted a pleyadian and te alien talked to me and I asked about Yehoshua'ha Mechaich and he just evaded over and over the question hahaha, scammers.


Remembres that Alien, extraterrestial, abduction, etc. are 20 century's television based words, and the television is owned by bilderbergs and the bilderbergs (commitee od 500) bows to the pope and black pope and his jesuits and the knights of malta and the Vatican now are promotin the "space brothers" scam... Balduci, teh jesuit chief of the ufo topic in the vaitican isn't an "ufologist" he is a Demonologist! (MUAHAHA)

The world we live in is more strange than we think it is!

hahah

Cheers!
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As soon as i watched the Peggy Kane interviews i realised that she was right in so many ways.
The astral world being controlled by reptiles why not?
They control this 3d world.
They have always been around and they definately keep us in the mind thought that the spiritual side is so much better, now i tend disagree, anyone who hasn't seen Peggy Kanes interviews i urge to take a look!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf_V_0ij_sU
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I don't really know if reptilians exist. I'm just doing some non-scholarly research...and finding some evidence for them. I don't want to demonize the reptilians unfairly...but in witness testimony, ancient art and writings, and throughout the Bible...they seem to be problem children(on the level of Chucky). If they do exist...I'd like to think that their behavior can be modified and/or managed.

I do like the idea of transparency in most everything...including power structures, paranormal and extraterrestrial research, etc. I don't know if we can handle the truth...but it should still come out tactfully with all deliberate speed. This may cause things to get worse...but ultimately I think things will be better when the entire human race is at least exposed to that which is presently hidden. I guess I would like to see one big stratified middle class...instead of the corrupt elites vs the ignorant slaves. Sometimes I try to imagine what it would be like to be a non-corrupt elite...someone with huge learning, connections, financial resources, etc...but who really had EVERYONES best interest at heart. You know...sort of a rebel Rothschild...who was trying to stop the bs. I think Jesus was like this(consider 'Jesus: Last of the Pharaohs' by Ralph Ellis).

In the meantime...for now...I'm considering reptilians as enemies. Better Dead Than Rep.

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Old 04-03-2009, 10:11 PM   #23
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As i see it the reps have founding here. They harvest worlds for their own needs. Earth is a great place of so much variety which they see as being a great source of.... They have deliberatley interfered with us so that we remain stunted....We have a right to be here and we are developing too...These nasty guys dont like this...countless wars both here and out there have been fought over who controls earth..

WE are now entering a phase where we have never been allowed to tread. These reps are angry as we now walk where they wished we wouldnt.

At the end of the day - we are now claiming our right to earth over these ageing relics of times past.

Want to know something?

All of these monstrous looking beings, so powerful and god like are terrified of us humans because of our potential. The next 200 years shall see bug changes and "big" help from friendly et in clearing the way for us to develop in a more unified way.
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Old 08-22-2009, 10:36 PM   #24
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The New Age and the New Age Aliens...

Is a fact that Many contactees now are saying the same things that the new age movement say.

The "aliens" travel like enormeous distances to teach New Age (luciferianism) and deny christianity.

Alex hynek sayd after 30 years and Dozens of thousands investigated reports on ufos and aliens:

"There's no evidence that the alien activity came from Outside the Earth"

The same about Jaques Vallé, one of the most prestigious and dedicated researchers.

All what the Contactee know about the aliens is what the Aliens show to them!


Roger Morneau, an ex-spiritist, in the last century made a lot of interesting disclosures:

He say that first, in the seances the channeler Never talks with Ghosts, Allways with Demons mimicking ghosts! But just the advanced spiritists know that.
Second he teach a 3 part plan of those entities:

First part: To make the human family didn't believe in the Demons and they leader.

Second: Convince the people that you can have an afterlife allways. By getting out to the public the Hypnotism technique and teching it by respected Scientist, the thing is that if the Person believe in the afterlife and in the contact with dead parents or whatever they fall because a thecnisism in the sin of "necromancy".

And the Third, "Burn the Bilbe without touching it", the spiritist leader say to him that the Evolution theory was teached to Darwin by the Demon leader himself. (you know that the actual chance of that theory is the same that have a tornado of making a 747 jumbo jet just passing over a Junkyard!)

"Fine" by now...

...But the Greatest Plan To Harvest the Multitudes of the Earth, is the most important in this case, is that the Demons Will Disguise themeselves into "Beings from other planets and they will advice their contactees about the inminent colapse of the world".

See this clip:

The Great Plan by the 5:13 min.

You see. The fact that guys like David Wilcock that, by his own words "do everything" those New Age Aliens say to him is totally interesting and fits like a glove with what the whistleblower Morneau said.

More if we know that the New Age Is Luciferianism!

If you want to visit a Really interesting Web site of researchers who discover what are the aliens and Prooved it, visit this:


http://www.alienresistance.org/ce4.htm


Odd world is in where we live!

Cheers!

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The middle way is the Way.

While it is true that there are negative et's and negative entities like demons, it is also true that there is a very large hiearchy of infinitely more powerful Beings of light.

I personally don't understand how fundamentalist Christians who discover how corrupt the catholic church and vatican are, and see how much more there is to the story, instead of looking oustide of the box that's been created by these same dark beings, just create a more stringent box.

Is it possible that fundamental Christianity has completely misinterpreted and misrepresented the teaching of Jesus Christ? Is it possible Jesus came to help us see the truth that will set us free rather than entrap us in a never ending game of fear?

Why did Jesus ask you to pray to "Our father" if it was only his father? Why did he say the kingdom of heaven is inside of you? Why did he say the truth would set you free? Why did he say "fear not little Children, for it is the father's good pleasure to give us the kingdom"? Did Jesus come to teach us the path of powerlessness and fear or did he come to show us the Way to the kingdom of heaven inside of us?

I've seen some researchers videos used to back up this point that anything that is working beyond the fundamentalist christian paradigm is "satan". For example Walter Veith. No Walter gets some points right about the vatican being corrupt, but instead of using that to see the original premise of the story that "Jesus is the only son of God, we are all horrible sinners and unless we profess our belief in this story we will go to hell" was fabricated for reasons of power and control, he just uses it to confirm his own beliefs about why those who believe what he believes are right and everyone else is duped and will suffer, same as any old fundamentalist viewpoint, whatever the religion, it doesn't matter.

So instead we are to believe that the earth is 6000 years old as Walter does? And that if we eat pork or go to church on the wrong day then we are dupes of Satan? If only we would all be good fundamentalist Christians and go to Church on Saturdays and know the earth is only 6000 years old and pray until Jesus comes back then we'll be saved huh?

Consider instead, as long as we are looking for solutions outside of us, we will never, ever enter the kingdom of heaven that is INSIDE OF YOU here and Now as Jesus continually tried to point out but obviously has not been listened to by very many.

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