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Old 03-28-2009, 09:19 PM   #1
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Something occurred to me recently, something that I haven't seen elsewhere. I've been reluctant to share this for a number of reasons, but
I'm interested to hear what some of your thoughts are about the following points and the relationship I believe they have to one another.

The number 260 is important. This part - from this playlist (It's actually called Timewave 2013, not Shift of the Ages II) gives a pretty good explanation of that number and it's significance starting at about 4:20. The whole thing is amazing, by the way and I strongly encourage everyone to set aside the time necessary to watch it in it's entirety.

Just briefly, 260 days is the average gestation period for a human being. 26,000 days is the average lifespan of a human being. The procession of the equinox takes 26,000 years. Okay, so along with Ben Franklin's magic square of 64 where every column and row adds up to 260, what we're left with is a very significant number. 260. The video really lays it all out quite well, especially with the relationship between the Mayan people and our founding fathers.

Jump to the Bible, Revelations chapter 12:
1 A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.
2 She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth. 3 Then another sign appeared in the sky; it was a huge red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadems.
4 Its tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them down to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth, to devour her child when she gave birth.
5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. Her child was caught up to God and his throne.
6 The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days.


In Chapter 11:
1 Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff and I was told, "Come and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count those who are worshiping in it.
2 But exclude the outer court 2 of the temple; do not measure it, for it has been handed over to the Gentiles, who will trample the holy city for forty-two months.
3 I will commission my two witnesses to prophesy for those twelve hundred and sixty days, wearing sackcloth."

We could go on at length about the various interpretations of the dragons and the crowns, but the 260 number is what I'm specifically interested in. The woman, I think is simply the human race. She flees to a place prepared by God for 1260 days.

I'm sure all of you are well aware of the disintegrating economy and the moves made towards globalization like this one, and a number of sources have pointed towards the 2009 summer of hell.

The coincidence with the 1260 number and everything else surrounding the number 260 prompted me to subtract 1260 from December 21, 2012.

It's July 10th, 2009.
Puts it right in the middle of the 'summer from hell'.
Volcano and earthquake activity is ramping up, a couple more subs collided with each other recently, and . . . well, you know what the list is looking like.

What do you think? Does July 10th mark the beginning of the countdown?
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would not surprise me in the least. So, we should have 1260 days of food saved?
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Old 03-28-2009, 09:39 PM   #3
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I think you deserve a pat on the back for some very clever and well researched info.... Well done...
I can see what you are saying and yes you could say something.... (how many times have we al looked back and said "hindsight is 20/20 vision"??)

I feel something just like everyone else... I am calm but aware I am feeling ....edgier..... and more so everyday...

I guess we can only wait and see really and in the meantime think positive thoughts and live in our hearts............
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1260 days is 3.5 years, thats a lot of tinned fish and rice
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777 The Great Work posts a lot of interesting things regarding the bible, numbers, etc.

He reports that 4th July 2009 is a significant date.

See thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...t=11196&page=8
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Originally Posted by Swanny View Post
1260 days is 3.5 years, thats a lot of tinned fish and rice

Which would be exactly half of the tribulation period. According to David Flynn, we only need to be concerned about half of the tribulation. Wish I could find that link...
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Tzolkin / sacred calender 260 days



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michielb.nl / projects / maya astronomy / maya calendar
Maya Calendar

for example

27/12/1958 - is 7 Ik 15 Mac
or, long count ...

ALSO, the mayan considered the last 5 days
on a calender, of 365, to be dead days

12/27 is the 1st dead day
12/28 2nd
12/29 3rd
12/30 4th
13/31 5th

21-12-2012 - is 4 Ahau 3 Kankin

(remember, to put in DATE / MONTH/ YEAR

The Maya developed a sophisticated calendar.

The ritual calendar that developed in Mesoamerica
used a count of 260 days.

This calendar gave each day a name, much like our days of the week.

There were 20 day names,
each represented by a unique symbol.
The days were numbered from 1 to 13.
Since there are 20 day names,
after the count of thirteen was reached,
the next day was numbered 1 again.

The 260-day or sacred count calendar was in use throughout Mesoamerica for centuries, probably before the beginning of writing.

Maya Day Names & Approximate Meanings
Imix Waterlily
Chuwen Frog
Ik' Wind
Eb Skull
Ak'bal Night
Ben Corn stalk
K'an Corn
Ix Jaguar
Chikchan Snake
Men Eagle
Kimi Death head
Kib Shell
Manik' Hand
Kaban Earth
Lamat Venus
Etz'nab Flint
Muluk Water
Kawak Storm cloud
Ok Dog
Ahaw Lord

The Maya also tracked a vague solar year in which they counted 365 days per year. Because they could not use fractions, the "quarter" day left over every year caused their calendar to drift with regard to the actual solar year. The 365-day year contained months were also given names. numbers 0-19 before they changed, so that the count goes Zero Pohp to 19 Pohp, then continues with Zero Wo.

Month Names and Approximate Meanings
Pohp Mat
Yax Green ??
Wo ?? Zak White ??
Sip ?? Keh Red ??
Sotz' Bat Mak ??
Sek ?? K'ank'in ??
Xul Dog Muwan Owl
Yaxk'in New Sun Pax ??
Mol Water K'ayab Turtle
Ch'en Black ?? Kumk'u ??

To the eighteen regular months
the Maya appended a special five-day month called Wayeb
composed of 5 days which were considered unnamed and unlucky.

Thus the days were counted: One Imix, Zero Pohp, Two Ik, One Pohp.
When the thirteenth day was reached the next day was Thirteen Ben, Twelve Pohp; then One Ix, Thirteen Pohp, Two Men, Fourteen Pohp. After Seven Ahaw, Nineteen Pohp, the next day was Eight Imix, Zero Wo.

If you have a Java-enabled browser, you will see an interactive calender converter routine below. Fill in the Gregorian Date in the top fields (day, month number, year) and press `Convert' to find the Maya calender date corresponding to that. Please note that the order is day, month, year.

Note about this applet
This Java applet uses the 584,283 correlation. If you prefer the 584,285 correlation, you have to subtract 2 days from the date you want to convert. For instance: Jan 1, 1996 would become Dec 30, 1995. Please see this page for an example.

In addition, the Maya used special glyphs to indicate time periods,
the kin represented one day. Winals are periods of 20-days which we now call a month.
The Tun was a year of 360 days and the K'atun was a time period of 20 years of 360 days each. As we will see later, the K'atun ending was a special time period celebrated by the Maya.

It has its parallel in the modern world, the period of time which we call a decade. The Maya also counted 400-year periods called Baktuns.

The Maya used these time periods in a special day count which is now called the Long count. Today a typical long count date is written thus: This represents 9 baktuns, 14 k'atuns, 12 tuns, 2 winals and 17 k'ins. [Special note: All names given here are in the new orthography developed by native Maya of Guatemala. Their system is being accepted by many various organizations of Maya and similar forms of this orthography are being adopted by other Maya groups. In reality, this system probably makes it easier for English speakers to pronounce the actual words.

Given the Maya propensity for words and language it is only a natural development.]
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If you track the Orbit of Venus in conjunction with Earth
there is a reason, that is very important.

celestial objects directly effect consciousness
of what is going on, here/and, other places

Venus is a really powerful planet and very close to us.

many studies on venus transits

the mayan, were amasing record keepers
and, utilised the stars
as, ways to discover things
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The Mayan Calendar:
260 Days & the Venus Orbit
Keith M. Hunter

The Ancient Mayan Calendar

Recently there has been a great deal of renewed interest in the Maya, and in particular their astronomical knowledge, including the Mayan calendar systems as developed from very ancient times. Indeed, within this area of study, much effort has been expended in the attempt to explain in particular why the Maya made use of a 260 day cycle. And why also they combined this time cycle with a calendar year period of 365 days, in order to generate a recurring 52 year period known as the ‘Calendar Round’. To date, from an overview of the relevant research concerning the Mayan use of a time cycle of 260 days, it would appear that its significance as an astronomical unit largely remains a mystery, with only a few tentative theories put forward. However, after careful study, this present author has developed what he believes is the answer; a full explanation as to why the Mayan calendar was devised in accordance with a 260 day cycle, and why this cycle was itself combined with a basic calendar year of 365 days.


To summarise the theory in general, it is hereby put forward that the Maya specifically created, or rather invented, a 260 day cycle in order to allow them to accurately track the occurrence of successive conjunctions involving the Earth and Venus, over a full 2000 year grand cycle. So that this might be achieved, the 260 day period of the Mayan calendar was further combined with a basic Earth year of 365 days, as a means to generate an extended 52 year period of time, through which they were able to make subtle corrections to their calendar, to maintain harmony between it and the true astronomical observations i.e. Earth-Venus conjunctions.

The Primary Function of the Mayan Calendar: Tracking Venus

To the Mayan people, Venus was (and is) a very important planet, heavily tied in to their creation and ‘world-age’ mythologies. Indeed, the planet was in fact held to be a central character in the transition from one world age to the next. As a result of this, the ancient Maya were very much concerned with accurately tracking its passage though the heavens, most especially relative to the earth’s own orbit. And indeed, the primary method by which the Maya kept track of Venus was by noting the successive passage of conjunctions between it and the Earth.

Of course, it should be mentioned at the outset of this analysis, that in observing both the Earth and Venus over many thousands of years, the Maya determined a set of exceptionally accurate values for both the length of the Earth tropical year, and the Venus orbital period (year). One may cite in particular, concerning the former, the fact that the Maya were fully aware of the so called ‘year drift formula’, that relates the true length of the tropical year to a more basic calendar year of 365 days exactly. Essentially, the division between the true year and calendar year is almost exactly equal to the basic fraction of 1508 / 1507. This is shown below:

(365 x 1508) / 1507 = 365.24220305 days

In the modern age, the full duration of the tropical year is considered equal to about:

365.24218408 days

In terms of difference: (365.24220305 - 365.24218408) x 86400

= 1.6339968 seconds

As can be seen then from the above, the Maya did possess an exceptionally accurate value for the length of the earth tropical year. But one should also note that so too did they possess an accurate Venus orbital period; both values being carefully incorporated into the Mayan Calendar system. In proceeding therefore to an evaluation of the Mayan calendar with respect to both the Earth and Venus, an exacting set of modern values can be used. And they are as follows:

Earth Tropical Year = 365.24218408 days
Venus Orbital Period (Year) = 224.69526222 days

The Basic Conjunction Cycle

For any culture concerned with tracking periodic conjunctions between the Earth and Venus, it is readily apparent, in light of the values for the orbital periods of both bodies, that there is almost an exact re-alignment of the Earth and Venus every 8 tropical years. Thus, if one were to begin with an initial conjunction between both planets and the sun, after 8 tropical years, Venus will have completed (only) just over 13 orbits about the sun itself:

365.24218408 x 8 = 2921.93747264 days

2921.93747264 / 224.69526222 = 13.0040012582

From this, one can see then a basic 8/13 conjunction cycle between the Earth and Venus; one that is repeated at a relatively short celestial interval. However, as is quite obvious, the actual cycle itself is not perfect, for following precisely 8 tropical years, though the Earth will have returned to its initial position, Venus will have slightly outpaced the Earth, having already entered into its 14th orbit. Thus, there will be a distinct ‘Advance of Venus’ after 8 tropical years. Were one to express the advance in terms of actual days, it is as follows:

(13.0040012582 – 13) x 224.69526222 = 0.89906378 days

Therefore, the Venus Advance:

0.89906378 days, for every 2921.93747264 days (8 tropical years)

The Invention of a Time Cycle of 260 days

That the Mayan astronomers would have been aware of the noted advance of Venus goes without saying, and indeed, with accurate values for the orbital periods of both the Earth and Venus, they would have possessed a very accurate value also of the advance. Indeed, it is hereby suggested that it was directly due to the desire amongst the Maya to track the noted forward advance of Venus, that they invented a 260 day astronomical cycle.

Consider the Facts…

1) Accurate observations reveal that every 2921.93747264 days (8 years), Venus advances into its 14th orbit by 0.89906378 of a day, preventing a perfect 8/13 orbital re-alignment with the Earth.

2) There is a desire to track this forward advance accurately and successively.

3) But, looking at the actual numerical values, of 2921.93747264 and 0.89906378, it is readily apparent that such figures ‘lack simplicity’ and harmony.

And the Reasoned Solution…

Would it not be better if one could make use of a more basic set of time intervals to track the advance; employing some distinct measure of time expressed in a simple yet exacting number of whole days, over which the forward advance of Venus would itself correspond to a very basic time interval, such as say, a simple fraction of 1 day? INDEED IT WOULD!

And it was for this very reason, it is suggested, that the Maya deliberately INVENTED the 260 day astronomical cycle; a time interval which they themselves call a Tzolkin. The primary function of the Mayan calendar as based upon such a time cycle was therefore, to simply track the Venus advance; not in terms of a completed number of Earth tropical years, but instead, a smaller more basic cycle of exactly 260 days, wherein one finds the Venus advance to be almost an exact basic fraction of a single day:

260 / 2921.93747264 = 0.0889820546930

0.0889820546930 x 0.89906378 = 0.0800005424 days

Therefore, under the Mayan calendar the Venus Advance:

0.0800005424 days, for every 260 days (Tzolkin)

Based upon these figures, the Maya would have easily been able to keep track of the advance of Venus at regular intervals of 260 days. For upon completion of such a number of days, they will have known that the forward advance of Venus will have been almost exactly 0.08 of one solar day, or 115.2 minutes of time (0.08 x 24 x 60).

A 2000 Year Grand Conjunction Cycle of the Earth & Venus

In view of the above, it can be seen then how the 260 days of the Tzolkin cycle would allow the Maya to keep track of in a most elegant and simple manner, the ongoing orbital advance of Venus, responsible for the lack of perfection in the noted conjunction configuration based upon an exacting 13/8 ratio. Indeed, to go further still however; one must acknowledge that by way of tracking such an advance, one is able to generate and validate the physical existence of a long range Earth-Venus conjunction cycle based upon a period of almost exactly 2000 years in duration. This is brought to light when one considers carefully the mechanics of the noted forward advance of Venus.

Consider an initial starting configuration of the Earth and Venus, both in precise conjunction with the Sun. Every 8 (tropical) years the earth will return back to its original place (as of course it will indeed every year), with Venus being slightly advanced as per the noted measure of 0.89906378 days. How long then will it be before Venus advances all the way around to once more conjunct with the earth at its original starting point? The answer, to an exceptional level of accuracy, is almost precisely 2000 Earth years. A fact that is revealed with the following simple relations:

365.24218408 x 2000 = 730484.36816 days

730484.36816 / 224.69526222 = 3251.00031457174

Examined carefully, one can see that the critical ratio, manifested almost with precision, is 2000 / 3251. That is to say that after the Earth has completed 2000 orbits about the Sun, Venus will have completed 3251 orbits, and thus itself be back in conjunction with the Earth and Sun. The key point to note here is the fact that in evaluating this fraction, if one were to subtract 1 cycle from the Venus total to reduce it to 3250, then this number when set against the Earth total of 2000, is fractionally identical to a perfect 13 / 8:

3250 / (5 x 5 x 5 x 2) = 13
2000 / (5 x 5 x 5 x 2) = 8

Indeed, the extra cycle as noted is due to the very forward advance of Venus. And this is what generates the larger astronomical cycle of 2000 years*. Without the advance, the basic fraction of 13 / 8 would apply.

In Conclusion

Based upon the invention of the 260-day Mayan Calendar cycle; that they were interested in the forward advance of Venus is beyond doubt. However, in boldly going further, and certainly in light of the fact that there are many Mayan Calendar Systems in existence that track time cycles of vastly greater length – even millions of years – that they would have actively known about a 2000 year Grand Conjunction Cycle involving the Earth and Venus, due to the advance of the latter, would seem highly likely.

Proceed to Part 2: The Mayan-Aztec Century

Venus Synodic Conjunctions & the 260-day Cycle:


*Of course, to those readers who know their celestial cycles, it will be apparent that in terms of such ‘lowest common multiple’ based - as opposed synodic conjunctions - a 243 to 395 Earth-Venus conjunction cycle does also exist. However, a careful review of the time measures involved in this reveals that the noted 2000 year cycle as given in this essay is vastly more refined and more accurate than the commonly recognised and far shorter 243 years. A proposed Mayan Calendar system based then upon a 2000 year cycle would seem far superior then.
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Mayan-Aztec Calendar: The Century Cycle & Earth-Venus Conjunctions
By Keith Hunter

An Extended Use of the Mayan 260-Day Tzolkin

Continuing on from the previous essay, it is clear then just how the 260-day Tzolkin cycle of the Mayan people can be used to track and refine successive Earth-Venus conjunctions based upon a ‘lowest common multiple’ (LCM) relationship, where both orbital bodies return to an almost exact starting point after a fixed period of time. In the short term a Venus-Earth ratio of 13 to 8 was identified (13 / 8 = 1.625), with also a far more refined ratio of 3251 to 2000 (3251 / 2000 = 1.6255), denoting a more long range cycle.

In addition to this however, it is also to be acknowledged that the 260-day Mayan calendar cycle may be employed to most accurately track to extreme accuracy ‘bulk batches’ of periodic Earth-Venus Synodic type conjunctions. And indeed, evidence that the Mayan people did just this, including also the Aztecs of the later period, is very well established. An examination of their method is thus called for.

Earth-Venus Synodic Conjunctions

To begin, it is only proper that one identify just what a synodic conjunction is. Essentially, starting out with an initial alignment of the Sun, Venus, and the Earth, due to the fact that Venus is nearer to the sun and completes one orbit sooner than the Earth, over the course of time Venus will outpace the Earth such that it will eventually catch up to the planet and ‘lap’ it. The point at which this happens will be a further conjunction event. However, both planets will not in fact be at their original starting positions when this occurs, as they would under a LCM type conjunction.

In determining the time interval of a synodic conjunction between any two planets, a very precise formula is used:

(a x b) / (a – b) = Synodic conjunction time

Where: a = orbital period of 1st planet & b = orbital period of 2nd planet

By substituting in the known orbital periods for the Earth and Venus (designated respectively ‘a’ and ‘b’) into the above formula, the time interval for a successive synodic conjunction between the two planets is determined as follows:

Earth Orbital Period = 365.24218408 days
Venus Orbital Period = 224.69526222 days

(365.24218408 x 224.69526222) / (365.24218408 – 224.69526222) =

583.92021140 days

To further understand the positions of the two planets one may simply divide this calculated value by the orbital periods of the Earth and Venus:

583.92021140 / 365.24218408 = 1.598720621
583.92021140 / 224.69526222 = 2.598720621

As one can see, the greater speed of Venus demonstrates that in catching up to the Earth it will have completed 2 full orbits and be 0.598720621 into its third, whereas the Earth itself will have only completed 1 full orbit and be 0.598720621 into its second. This shows quite conclusively then that in re-aligning in conjunction in this way (i.e. synodic) the planets are not positioned at their original starting points. That being said however, there is a further point to mention, and that is that there is a distinct association between the noted Earth-Venus synodic time interval, and the 13 / 8 LCM conjunction described previously. Mathematically, there are almost exactly 5 synodic conjunctions to 8 earth years:

583.92021140 x 5 = 2919.601057 days
365.24218408 x 8 = 2921.937473 days

Due to the lack of perfection in the 8 / 13 ratio one can of course see that this is not an exact match.

Mayan-Aztec Calendar cycles: The Sheaf & the Century

As one can see then from the above, the key time cycle of interest, the Earth-Venus Synodic interval, is equal to about 583.92021140 days. That the Mayan people and also the Aztecs were interested in accurately tracking the successive passage of such conjunctions is beyond doubt. Their method, as will be examined, is indeed somewhat ingenious.

Right up until the arrival of the Spanish in the New world in the late 15th century, there was a time cycle actively tracked by the Indian people of Central America, from very ancient times. Indeed, the time cycle in question is so old that the exact moment of its inception as an astronomical cycle, to be first recorded by the people of this region, is unknown. The actual name given to it is the Sheaf.

The Sheaf, as a time interval, is generated by carefully combining a calendar year of 365 days, with the Tzolkin ‘forward advance of Venus measure’ of 260 days. When each of these measures are evaluated, it is so determined that the lowest common multiple (LCM) associated with them i.e. the lowest number that they will each divide into without a remainder, is 18980 days. Thus, after exactly 1 Sheaf of 18980 days, both time intervals would re-synchronise, just as for example, a LCM planetary conjunction cycle would. This fact is evident in the following relations:

365 / 260 = 73 / 52

The fraction so generated here of 73 / 52 is the smallest fraction that the Year & Tzolkin can be reduced to. It is also the case that they are the numbers via which one reveals the LCM between the two cycles:

365 x 52 = 18980 days
260 x 73 = 18980 days

As one can see then, after exactly 52 calendar years, 73 completed periods of the forward advance of Venus will have occurred, which will be the starting point for a new (Sheaf) round.

18980 days, Refined

In considering the time period of 18980 days, on the face of it, it does not appear to be of too much significance. However, a very careful examination of this time measure reveals a most exacting association to the Earth-Venus synodic period. This is revealed when one is taken to correct it by subtracting from it a time interval equal to precisely 1/100th of a single 260-day Tzolkin cycle i.e. 2.6 days:

18980 – 2.6 = 18977.4 days

With this newly derived figure in hand, one may then proceed to divide it by the measure of the noted Earth-Venus synodic period:

18977.4 / 583.92021140 = 32.49998823

Immediately upon viewing one cannot help but see that the returned value is almost exactly 32.5. And indeed were the measure of the synodic period to be 583.92 days precisely then this would in fact be the answer. Moreover, in considering this further one may also recall the basic 13 / 8 ratio, extended to a 2000 year cycle, as was noted in the previous essay: 3250 / 2000. Here then one may see a ready harmonic of the same sequence of numbers, involved in the ‘Venus side’ of the ratio.

It is of course very obvious though that the value of 32.5 does not denote a whole number of Earth-Venus Synodic conjunctions. However, by doubling up the refined Sheaf value: 2 x 18977.4, one obtains 37954.8 days, which does indeed contain a whole number of conjunctions: almost precisely 65 to be exact.

37954.8 / 583.92021140 = 64.99997647

Indeed, the full measure of 2 Sheafs (uncorrected) of 37960 days was actively recognised by both the Maya and Aztecs as a distinct cycle, known as a Century, being 104 calendar years of 365 days in duration.

The Importance of the Mayan-Aztec Sheaf & Century

In the stone carvings (stele) of the Maya and the Aztecs, the Sheaf time cycle of 52 calendar years is well evidenced amongst the ruins of their once populous cities. But more than this however, far from being an incidental astronomical cycle to be appreciated by just their learned men; throughout the Mayan and Aztec settlements of the entire region, right up until the arrival of the Spanish, the successive completion of each Sheaf period was actively celebrated by performing elaborate ceremonies that involved everyone living within their cities. Culturally therefore, the Sheaf itself as a time cycle was of immense importance of the people of this region.

Proceed to Part 3: Mayan Calendar Pleiades-Earth Conjunctions

The Mayan Calendar, Ritual Sacrifice, and the 'End of the World'
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part 3

Venus Conjunctions, the Pleiades & the Sheaf
By Keith Hunter

Marking the End of a Sheaf: Venus vs. The Pleiades

With all that has so far been said of the precise mechanics of the Sheaf cycle, and of the fact that the Maya and Aztecs both held ceremonies to mark the completion of the Sheaf, one could be forgiven for thinking that 2.6 days prior to the end of every 52 calendar year period (18977.4 days), a most accurate conjunction would be in evidence between Venus and the Earth; for indeed, is not the purpose of the Mayan Calendar as with any calendar, to track and harmonise real astronomical cycles?

Well, apparently, according to historical records, the Aztecs and Maya, rather than set the end of each sheaf to coincide with an actual Earth-Venus conjunction, instead set it to coincide with an altogether completely different celestial event: a conjunction of the Earth and the Pleiades.

Pleiades-Earth Alignment

A closely packed group of seven stars, the Pleiades are sometimes referred to as the Seven Sisters (Image of The Pleiades ). But to such as the Aztecs, they were known as the Cabrillas. According to accounts provided by the early Spanish explorers of the 16th century, every 52 years the ceremony to mark the end of a sheaf period coincided with a precise observation of the Pleiades star group at midnight, when it appeared exactly upon the meridian. Now to be clear, in terms of a night-time observation, there is only one particular day of the year when such an event will happen; when one is able to observe the star cluster at the precise time of midnight, and at such a time when the stars themselves are located on the meridian line. At the precise moment though when this does happen, there is an active conjunction in evidence between the Pleiades, the Earth, and the sun. As indeed, at such a moment, exactly 180 degrees around the other side of the Earth, the Sun itself is at the ‘12 noon position’, and thus directly ‘behind’ the Earth and so lined up with the Pleiades.

In view of the above, it should be readily apparent then that there will be a notable discrepancy between the time interval of 32.5 Earth-Venus conjunctions (18977.4 days) and the time interval between two Earth-Pleiades conjunctions at 52 years apart. Indeed, the reason for this is that each of the two conjunction events involve, or rather rest upon, a different type of Earth year. In the case of the former, one is speaking of 52 calendar years, each of 365 days in length. In terms of the latter, 52 sidereal years, each of 365.256363 days. That this is so is due to the fact that the Pleiades, as a background star group, is susceptible to precession. One may note the difference between the two time intervals as follows:

Earth-Pleiades Cycle: 52 x 365.256363 = 18993.33088 days

Earth-Venus Cycle: (52 x 365) – 2.6 = 18977.4 days

18993.33088 – 18977.4 = 15.930876 days

In careful consideration of the above, there is nothing in and of itself that would suggest that a time interval of 52 sidereal years is of significance, purely from an examination of the basic time cycles that compose the Sheaf i.e. 365 and 260 days. Indeed, it is not clear at all how one could derive a time interval of 18993.33088 days from 18977.4 days, employing any sort of basic correction measure, with elegance or precision.

On the face of it therefore it would seem as if the two noted 52 year cycles are very much separate in terms of their actual physical duration, and that the Pleiades conjunction cycle is only loosely based upon the Sheaf. And yet, somehow over time, has taken precedence over it to become the celestial event to mark the end of such a period.

But why is this?

Just what made the 52 year Earth-Pleiades conjunction event so important to the Maya and the Aztecs?

A Day of Disaster

The key reason why an Earth-Pleiades conjunction was held to be of such importance to the Maya and the Aztecs, is that it was taken to be a signal that could potentially mark ‘the end of the world’. Indeed, the Central American Indians were of the firm belief, in accordance with their prophecies and oracles, from an era almost lost to history, that at some future date, the very movement of the heavens itself would cease, and that this would occur at the time of an Earth-Pleiades conjunction following the completion of a Sheaf cycle. Of course, exactly which future Sheaf would herald this day of disaster was not known, and this indeed had an important bearing upon the ceremonies of the Aztecs in particular. This is because at the very moment of the Pleiades-Earth conjunction at the end of a sheaf period, a human sacrifice was made by cutting out the heart of a captive warrior, with the belief that this very act would ‘keep the world turning’ and prevent the heavens from cessation of motion.

Ritual Sacrifice

That the Aztecs and Maya conducted human sacrifice is rooted in an ancient myth concerning the very creation of the world, and of its setting into motion. An account of the myth essentially held that in a far off age when the world was first formed, a council of gods was assembled about a sacred fire. And that these gods sacrificed themselves by throwing themselves into the flames, which led to the sun making its first appearance on the horizon and being set into motion. Over the course of time following the successive transmission of this ancient myth, the Aztecs and the Maya began to believe at some point that such sacrifices were periodically necessary in order to actually maintain celestial motion. And to this end, they sought to recreate the original sacrifice of the gods with a ritual ceremony of their own.

Lasting for a total of five days during the end of each sheaf period, the whole of the populace in the surrounding villages of the Mayan-Aztec Empire would partake in a ritual extinguishing of all of the fires throughout the community. They would then take to the hills at the culmination of the ceremony at midnight, when the critical observation of the Earth conjuncting the Pleiades was to occur. At the moment of the alignment the Indian priests would stab the warrior to death and cut out his still beating heart. They would then start a new fire within his chest cavity and bathe his heart within the flames. If at the precise moment of the sacrifice the Pleiades failed to cross over the meridian at midnight then the Indians knew that the world would end as the heavens had ceased to move, and their sacrifice had not been sufficient. If however the Pleiades continued on its course then this was taken to be a sign that the sacrifice had been sufficient and that the world would last at the very least for another 52 years, at which time yet another sacrifice would of course have to be made.
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Old 03-30-2009, 03:20 AM   #14
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I'm not into numbers games. Numbers may be a part of several occult and biblical prophecies or scripts...but why should our lives be governed by numbers? The historical inhumanity of man to man...and seeming nastiness of aliens(native or et) to man...is devastatingly mind-boggling. This is continuing, even as I type. Numbers and bloodlines seem to dominate a lot of conspiracy type research. They may be a factor...but to me, they shouldn't matter. What should matter, is the content of our characters...and the resulting attitudes and behaviors. The fact is, we continue to be really disfunctional. If you really want to go on a numerical wild goose chase...research Daniel 8:14. Some have suggested that a day in biblical prophecy is equal to a year. See Numbers 14:34. This 2,300 day period would then hypothetically span from 457 BC to 1844 AD. Don't forget to read Hebrews 9:12. By the way, the KJV is a mistranslation. Read it in the original language.
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Well, that certainly was a lot of information you copied and pasted Susan.
Not sure if there's a specific question or thought of your own that was inserted in there.
I'm with orthodoxymoron when it comes to too many numbers - especially without explanations. I begin feeling like I'm missing an implied connection.
Was there some information in there that you specifically wanted highlighted for the purpose of this conversation?
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Old 03-30-2009, 07:44 PM   #16
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My comment was not aimed at what Susan posted. I've just sat through too many lectures and sermons on biblical prophecy...and witnessed too many fatalistic people, failed prophecies, angry exchanges, firings, defrockings, etc, etc...regarding conflicting interpretations of biblical texts involving numbers.
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yes, there is
i hope to post it later this week
i was on a course / yesterday
and, snowed under with work today
so, yes, - 260 is an important number
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:36 AM   #18
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Ivan Stein explains the 7 Seals, 7 Trumpets and 7 Vials of revelations in relation to 2012, the 3rd world war and the third antichrist (with the blue-turban, from Iran) in his presentation. He went into it in detail last night when I saw him.
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