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Old 04-14-2009, 01:53 AM   #1
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I just happened to stop by Camelot today, and lo and behold, there is a statement today by Camelot (Bill & Kerry) in response to Cliff High's interview with Michael St Clair wherein St Clair casually mentions that Bill is Kerry's handler...

that is mind control vocabulary.

The reason I start this thread is that I would have expected B & K to dismiss the blurb, ok maybe make a statement... nevertheless... for them to be so dissed & express this to such a degree, to me, is a rather low handed manner of dealing with it. There are many negative remarks about certain "whistleblowers" on their site, I don't see them dissing & deleting those interviews.

These days, posts, threads, opinions are coming forward in myriads of fashions.. I would think that the founders of Camelot would take that in stride, make a short statement and move on. Michael St Clair has much to offer that we ought not to dismiss... w/the premise that any 'whisltblower' or any other person w/insight has a part of the onion as well... for us to peel.

I am not happy with their announcement.

Regarding Mind Control, a vast subject, huge rabbit hole... but worth looking into... when one is mind controlled (as are we ALL)... more than likely one would not be cognizant of it... even if you are UP ON IT.. you would know eventually that the work to unravel the madness is quite a job indeed...
AND, the norm is for one to dismiss the fact that they are controlled.
Not to mention that the "handler" is also mind controlled..<<<

what is so difficult to recognize about that I ask???

We are ALL subject to this imprinting/mind control/programming...
and those that deny this are perhaps more controlled than others.

I think it is regretful that they had to post a retraction on their website as they did... that they could not see THRU the veil enough to simply acknowledge the words that were spoken and choose to remain open.

We must not cut off threads to knowledge based on our egoic stance..
there are other ways to deal with seeming adversity than to erase words from a screen.

http://media.light-seeds.com/clifhigh22march2009.mp3

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Old 04-14-2009, 02:38 AM   #2
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I have no problem with him being gone...I had a bad vibe about him.
He did not seem very genuine...
Only my opinion.
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:43 AM   #3
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:54 AM   #4
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Michael St. Clair was an "agent" at Rayelan Allen's "Rumor Mill News" service for quite a long time. Eventually he had a falling out with her, as well, and was banned from her site.
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Old 04-14-2009, 03:07 AM   #5
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I had very bad vibes from St.Clair after watching his Camelot interview. I've dismissed him since then. In my opinion Camelot just got rid of some very bad energy.

Anyone who claims to know the answers and the solution to everything is lying. No one can know, we all have our own jobs to do.
Anyone who talks down to people in public like he did is pure ego and certainly not and enlightened human being.
He is simply starting a cult the same way all cult leaders have every done. They pretend that the knowledge they uncover is their own.

"Many false prophets will arise"
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Old 04-14-2009, 03:09 AM   #6
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In a recent radio interview (I forgot with who) I heard somebody saying that it seems that people in these circuits are being set up against each other:
Jones vs Rense, Icke vs ?, Alan watts vs ? etc. And know we see this one.
St. Clair is not my favorite, but I listen to what he has to say once in a while but I am not going to focus on him. The same for David Wilcock. They are not my leading stars, but I'm not trying to bash them. Also Bill and Kerry have stands and follow ways that would not be my primary choices, still I consider what they are doing valuable and I appreciate.

Here on the forum we have recently have threads with pro-contra fights about Peggy Kane and Alex Jones not to speak about members bashing each other.
It reminds me of this Tom Bearden interview were he talks about the ways the PTB use to neutralize free-energy inventors, also referred to in the latest Camelot interview with Wade Frazier. The first thing they do Bearden explains there is that they make an in dept study of the person, a psychological profile and with that they know exactly how they best can manipulate and neutralize that researcher. Put a certain person in their life, bribe, use their pride or honesty; whatever serves the purpose. It is wise to be aware of this.

It is also wise to consider what Stewart Swerdlow recentlly said, that the PTB at the moment are putting out mindcontrol frequencies that stimulate anger and dispute.

Furthermore I consider it wise to do what Jim Marrs said a couple of years ago. When he hears certain information he puts it in a "Ahum" file; meaning that he keeps it in mind, doesn't accept it or accept it fully, but also doesn't disregard it fully: he waits for more information to make up his mind about it.
That's what I did for example with the GFL messages and finally I made up my mind. Peggy Kane, Dan Burisch and Ben Fullford are in my "ahum" at the moment.

To B&K I would say. I find your reaction a bit strong and I don't like you parenting us. I mean you have all the right to defend yourself and to criticize and to stop endorsing, but what you did with I consider to be an overkill and almost misuse of power at this stage of developments as far as they are visible.

PS I was writing this after the initial post by epiphemi, and did not see the posts in between that throw more light on the matter

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Old 04-14-2009, 03:16 AM   #7
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St Clair seems like he's into money and power. Everything is "high level" with him and his clients, or so he says. He always felt like somewhat of a charlatan, a bit too polished. Betrayal is sad though.
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Old 04-14-2009, 03:56 AM   #8
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I have no problem with him being gone...I had a bad vibe about him.
He did not seem very genuine...
Only my opinion.
i came across some very interesting info re. michael st. clair. i've listened to many interviews of peggy kane who is a specialist in reverse speech analysis. it is a way to measure the veracity of one's talk or speech. on her website, she mentions st. clair as being "deceptive", especially when he talks about the nordics. here is the link to her site which talks about msc:
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/20...p-information/

peggy kane' interviews on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QDO8...F4B41&index=39

she deals a lot w reptilian info., planet x, etc.

Below is what peggy kane wrote:
http://www.evpreversespeaking.com/20...p-information/

"Yesterday I listened to Michael St. Clair (Whom I have reversed before and found to be very deceptive, check Individuals Reversed) on Coast to Coast a few nights ago (Jan.4 or 5). He is an elitist-type, from Europe, an astrologer, psychic and contactee for the so-called Nordics. Since the UFO literature is filled with disinformation about the Nordics being from the Pleiades and all of that nonsense, I thought reversing would be enlightening although the astute people here are already clued in. Still we have new people all the time and so I like to clear things up occasionally.

But while reversing, Mr. St. Clair also gave very key information about what is happening on the other side with the clean up operation. I’ll be putting all of this up later today.

Meanwhile, here is some of the disinformation about the (ahem) Nordics being from the Pleiades. We’ll see how the reptilian-Nordic pretenders treated Michael St. Clair for his service in spreading their lies.

That will also be coming up later. But here is what is commonly believed about the so-called Nordics."
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my gut had felt something wasn't quite right.

for instance w michael st. clair, whom i originally admired, when he conflicted his take on the nordics w other et contactee's testimony...that they are NOT benevolent.

and 2nd: when he predicted (promoted) PALIN of all people for the vice presidential nomination!

and 3rd: when he said that the art paintings on the wingmaker's material is "high art'...i have an MFA, masters in art and studied a lot of art history to know (as I am also an artist) that it is NOT high art, rather naive art!
Wingmakers doesn't resonate with me- I never manage to get past the first couple of web pages.

i think reverse speech is similar to muscle testing because the body cannot lie, even if you consciously want to, your subconscious won't allow you to. all lies manifest in some way.

i know that peggy kane will not be a welcome insight as we all probably want to believe in people like wilcock and st. claire. but i think this has taught me a lesson to question everything bec we all can be fooled by the mere fact that we so much want to believe these people.
i think they mix truth w untruth and egos then get ahead of even them.

no one has all the answers, it is within each of us individually.
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Old 04-14-2009, 04:51 AM   #9
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I think this all stems from Election Night when Obama/Biden won and St. Clair said it would be McCain/Palin. When they did the phone interview the next day, you could tell there was some "at odds" stuff going on.
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Old 04-14-2009, 07:11 AM   #10
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I do agree with dolphin as I've been involved with reverse speech for years and one can sense with their gut what is really being said as compared to just listening to the spoken word. There are times that the words do not match up with what is felt in the gut.

It would not surprise me if Kerry were the one who wrote the Camelot response.
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Old 04-14-2009, 07:13 AM   #11
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To his credit I bought St Clair's Zen of Stars book in 2007 and it was very good though maybe it didn't quite live up to the hype, I still recommend it.

His books are quite expensive, over-priced like david icke's books (love David Icke but he is very greedy when it comes to putting a price on his books, I admit they are worth it but still $50 per book when you are supposed to be helping people is a bit rich).

I warn all of you! Do not buy St Clair's second book 'Forseen Beyond Time'

I was absolutely horrified when it arrived in the mail.. and I found out this expensive book I had sacrificed food to buy was fiction (shock, horror... i dont read fiction, life is too short) and wasn't even 150 pages long. I thought 'ok I'll give it a chance' but it was the biggest load of crapola ever.


Mr moneybags then releases the same 2 books mentioned above AGAIN as 1 book titled 'Lightseeds' with another high pricetag.

I do like St Clair though despite all this.. he is a little vague but not sinister.

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Old 04-14-2009, 07:18 AM   #12
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I think this all stems from Election Night when Obama/Biden won and St. Clair said it would be McCain/Palin. When they did the phone interview the next day, you could tell there was some "at odds" stuff going on.
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I agree.. I remember St Clair going on about 'president Palin'.... after McCain has his next heart attack.

How lucky are we that Obama got in instead... why cant all the Obama bashers on rense be a little grateful that the nazi's and oil mafia aren't in office anymore.
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i came across some very interesting info re. michael st. clair. i've listened to many interviews of peggy kane who is a specialist in reverse speech analysis. it is a way to measure the veracity of one's talk or speech.

i think reverse speech is similar to muscle testing because the body cannot lie, even if you consciously want to, your subconscious won't allow you to. all lies manifest in some way.
You guy's are catching on to the reverse speech. I was shot down on another thread for even bringing it up. I have checked it out thoroughly and it is real.

My gut told me something about him but, I gave him my attention.
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Old 04-14-2009, 08:05 AM   #14
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The subjects and people who are found on Camelot and Avalon are generally controversial...so conflict is part of the territory. I consider what I read and hear to be part of the puzzle...not the whole truth...and nothing but the truth. Friends are friends...until they become a pain in the ass! I wish I had a handler! How 'bout it Bill?

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Old 04-14-2009, 08:41 AM   #15
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In a recent radio interview (I forgot with who) I heard somebody saying that it seems that people in these circuits are being set up against each other:
Jones vs Rense, Icke vs ?, Alan watts vs ? etc. And know we see this one.
St. Clair is not my favorite, but I listen to what he has to say once in a while but I am not going to focus on him. The same for David Wilcock. They are not my leading stars, but I'm not trying to bash them. Also Bill and Kerry have stands and follow ways that would not be my primary choices, still I consider what they are doing valuable and I appreciate.

Here on the forum we have recently have threads with pro-contra fights about Peggy Kane and Alex Jones not to speak about members bashing each other.
It reminds me of this Tom Bearden interview were he talks about the ways the PTB use to neutralize free-energy inventors, also referred to in the latest Camelot interview with Wade Frazier. The first thing they do Bearden explains there is that they make an in dept study of the person, a psychological profile and with that they know exactly how they best can manipulate and neutralize that researcher. Put a certain person in their life, bribe, use their pride or honesty; whatever serves the purpose. It is wise to be aware of this.

It is also wise to consider what Stewart Swerdlow recentlly said, that the PTB at the moment are putting out mindcontrol frequencies that stimulate anger and dispute.

Furthermore I consider it wise to do what Jim Marrs said a couple of years ago. When he hears certain information he puts it in a "Ahum" file; meaning that he keeps it in mind, doesn't accept it or accept it fully, but also doesn't disregard it fully: he waits for more information to make up his mind about it.
That's what I did for example with the GFL messages and finally I made up my mind. Peggy Kane, Dan Burisch and Ben Fullford are in my "ahum" at the moment.

To B&K I would say. I find your reaction a bit strong and I don't like you parenting us. I mean you have all the right to defend yourself and to criticize and to stop endorsing, but what you did with I consider to be an overkill and almost misuse of power at this stage of developments as far as they are visible.

PS I was writing this after the initial post by epiphemi, and did not see the posts in between that throw more light on the matter
I really resonate with what you wrote about "ahum" thing, about not accepting and nor disregarding fully...I am like a big sponge, absorbing but careful with judging...
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:27 PM   #16
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I enjoyed reading the responses so far.

everything I would say, I see already here. I like the "take everything with a grain of salt" attitude.

This discussion would have been MUCH different in Sept 08 when this forum was new. we've come a long way and should acknowledge our progress towards electing ourselves as our own leaders.

Everyone speaks from their own viewpoint (unless they are play acting or something is wrong with them). Peggy's comments quoted above, I see as coming from her. Michael's comments, I see as his. It's just people saying what they think or have seen, or have been told. We're all just trying to learn and teach as the case may be.

It's fun.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:35 PM   #17
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Hi EpiphaMe,

Well that Camelot thing really suprises me on so many levels.

Firstly, I was led to beleive that St. Clair could predict the future. Didn't he see this coming?

Secondly, the information that he was producing is supposed to be so important for the future of mankind, that he knows all about when and where it will all end, and because of a tiff, it has been removed from a popular site on the internet. What does that really say about either the genuine quality of the the information, or the site?

The comment that St. Clair wasn't supporting the work of Camelot speaks volumes. Are these theorists obliged to stick together and endorse each other to be the absolute truth tellers, or are they free to say what they truely beleive.

I don't support Manchester United, but I do enjoy a good game of football. Would Manchester United ban me from entering Old Trafford, even if I said I thought they were **** (St. Clair never said this about Camelot by the way)?

I really do beleive that there are good guys out there who know confidential stuff about what's going on behind the scenes, but there are a lot of poo merchants out there, I could name quite a few, I could even write a book about them - that could make some money - blowing the lid off a lot of conspiracy / UFO / aductee theorists.

Now that would put a cat amongst the pigeons.

Of course we can't forget that the world is changing every day now and the public is beginning to become frustrated, not by what is happening, but by what is not happening.

We were told that the stock market would totally collapse and it seems to be rallying, or that the great US$ would collapse, but it just seems to be keeping its' value even though the FED is pumping more of the currency on the market, or that WWIII will happen, but the world is just concentrating on economies, with no time to look for a fight.

We were told that visitors will come and save the Earth on a certain day, but it seems that they were washing their hair on that day and couldn't make it.

We were promissed a false flag operation..... and so the list goes on. People apear to be getting over frustrated by the wait.

That must hurt the bottom line on these theorists don't you think? When the going gets tough, people do all sorts of crazy stuff to one another.

That's a theory to work on.

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I just happened to stop by Camelot today, and lo and behold, there is a statement today by Camelot (Bill & Kerry) in response to Cliff High's interview with Michael St Clair wherein St Clair casually mentions that Bill is Kerry's handler...

that is mind control vocabulary.
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Old 04-14-2009, 01:03 PM   #18
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Wow! I am somewhat shocked. I do not know that this is helpful to remove interviews...but alas it is not my site....I think I will follow Jim Marrs' example and put it all into my "ahum" file.
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I do agree with dolphin as I've been involved with reverse speech for years and one can sense with their gut what is really being said as compared to just listening to the spoken word. There are times that the words do not match up with what is felt in the gut.

It would not surprise me if Kerry were the one who wrote the Camelot response.
Why do you say this? You cannot know this unless Kerry says that.

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I never liked him from the start. seemed to me he was working an angle. the vibe I was feeling is that he is trying to position him self to profit from this time of change. he was either vague or wrong most of the time. and seems to hover around power and money structures. red flag in my mind. no big loss. just a charlatan. how does it feel st clair. now that you can hear our voices.

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Why do you say this? You cannot know this unless Kerry says that.

who cares. carol is not clamming to know anything. its just a response. and her opinion. Kerry doesn't need your protection. she is a big girl. I do understand your thoughts though.
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In a recent radio interview (I forgot with who) I heard somebody saying that it seems that people in these circuits are being set up against each other:
Jones vs Rense, Icke vs ?, Alan watts vs ? etc. And know we see this one.
St. Clair is not my favorite, but I listen to what he has to say once in a while but I am not going to focus on him. The same for David Wilcock. They are not my leading stars, but I'm not trying to bash them. Also Bill and Kerry have stands and follow ways that would not be my primary choices, still I consider what they are doing valuable and I appreciate.

It reminds me of this Tom Bearden interview were he talks about the ways the PTB use to neutralize free-energy inventors, also referred to in the latest Camelot interview with Wade Frazier. The first thing they do Bearden explains there is that they make an in dept study of the person, a psychological profile and with that they know exactly how they best can manipulate and neutralize that researcher. Put a certain person in their life, bribe, use their pride or honesty; whatever serves the purpose. It is wise to be aware of this.

It is also wise to consider what Stewart Swerdlow recentlly said, that the PTB at the moment are putting out mindcontrol frequencies that stimulate anger and dispute.
I have to agree with most of this. St. Clair is worth listening to, as are the rest of the people you mention. For the record I've heard things for years about Beardon and Swerdlow being disinformation agents, so I put them in the same category as the rest. We shouldn't be surprised, but ought to suspect that these people are being set up to feud with each other. Knowing this, they (and us) need to rise over such low frequency interference if we're going to evolve as we need to be doing.

I don't think B and K are parenting their audience, but they're taking St. Clair personally. Why should he have to support their paradigm in order to present his own through an interview with them? It doesn't help anyone for PC to present a researcher in a "futuretalk" interview and then delete the conversation because of hurt feelings...though I do understand that there may be more going on there. A little more light on that subject might help.

I've watched the Peggy Kane videos, but I'm still not buying into her. She's interesting, and I certainly wouldn't say there's nothing to it, but instead of only demonstrating the RS blurbs that back up her program, it would be nice to see something a little more scientific that demonstrates how it doesn't always work, and sometimes gives the opposite of the expected result...which has to be the case.
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:57 PM   #23
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The interviews with St. Claire are still up on You Tube. They just removed the link to the interviews from the Camelot site. I would do the same thing if some one where trying to infer to people that I was a CIA operative. If St. Claire actually believes that then he may have been hacked by spiritual mind control. That is going on a lot around the world lately. The entities responsible for this are throwing their hail Marry's because they know it is almost the end of the season and their super bowl is on the line. They are behind and there are only a few seconds left. They are desperate.
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Old 04-14-2009, 02:57 PM   #24
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St. Clair is an elitist STS ass****, and it was beautiful the way he revealed his true nature.

Thank you Bill and Kerry for addressing it.
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I know that St. Clair was upset back when Avalon had it's lock down and the Camelot threads were locked and some were "moved to the back temporarily" and he couldn't find certain information. He has mentioned that publicly. That was the point where he set up his own site.

I listened to the Clif High conversation and the funny thing is that I missed the handler comment. I must have taken it as Bill makes the decisions about what they're going to do in their business relationships, or even that their personal relationship was one in which Bill sort of called the shots. I didn't even twig to a more nefarious meaning. Maybe I'm naive.

I tend to watch all this play out (like the dance of the shakti) - and find myself in an "ahum space," too.

We're in a massively shifting time. Everyone is on edge. I think we'll find more and more "disagreement" going on as the energies swirl. No one has asked me for my advice, but I'm going to give it. Hold onto your own centers. Become observers. START YOUR DARN GARDENS! <G>

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