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Old 11-24-2008, 10:08 PM   #26
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One parallel that David Icke pointed out is unity.
Nazi Germany had unity. Unity is only good if a nation is unified behind a GOOD leader.

If i was an American i wouldn't of bothered voting.
McCain/Palin was such a bad option that it left everyone with only one choice, since no other candidates had a hope.

Some democracy

P.S. UK has the same farce.

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Old 11-24-2008, 10:09 PM   #27
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Gosh that's a little far-fetched isn't it? I don't have any blind faith in Obama by any means, as we well know anyone who rises up the ranks in the US is fully owned and manipulated (which is why Kucinich never made it past go), but personally I felt a huge shift where I live in Florida when Obama won. Gone was that dreadful negative energy of the pro-war Republican agenda.

Whether Obama comes through with any of his promises doesn't matter, it's the boost it has given to people's morale, now the rest is up to us collectively to bring about change...not some puppet politician.

Cheney/Bush were a fine example of parallels to Hitler in almost everything they did - what actions of Obama's are you basing that statement on? Just curious to know.

Would you really rather have seen McCain/Palin win? with all the negativity that would have brought.
haha

Yeah I guess it sounds a bit far out, but I stand by it.

If I had to choose the lesser of two evils I guess I would probably choose Obama over McCain/Palin but it's hard to choose between swallowing gasoline or kerosine. You know what I mean? They will both kill you. Or choosing between Coke and Pepsi; they both taste a little different and have different packaging but are essentially just made out of corn syrup and water. I was a Ron Paul supporter myself because he was the only person running for president who understood the economic crisis and the illegitimacy of the Federal Reserve system.

I make that comparison to Hitler's rise because all signs point to Obama being a puppet to the globalists and big bankers and he promises to lift us out of the multiple hardships that the country faces - just like Hitler. The social atmosphere in America today is incredibly similar to Germany pre-hitler. If you look at Obama's biggest contributors they are all the big banks. His administration is being filled up by shady characters as well, such as one of the heads of a Federal Reserve bank who is a chief architect with Hank Paulson behind the bailouts. (His name slips me) And we all know about Brezinski. Also, as I explained in a post above, his socialistic economic policies are going to ensure the destruction of the dollar.

He has been ushered in with an almost messianic feeling as people seem to blindly support his "change". I would argue that he offers no change, only more of the same and will actually make things worse. He will also be president during the years when the New World Order will be emerging in full swing. Global currency is just around the corner if these bankers have their way.

As far as him being a divine miracle in disguise who keeps his "friends close but enemies closer" - I'm open to it but I need more evidence than Wilcock's instincts! haha Lets see what happens I guess.

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Old 11-24-2008, 10:43 PM   #28
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Anyone who believes this Obama puppet seriously needs there head examined.

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Old 11-24-2008, 11:07 PM   #29
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His rhetoric never passed my screen test, yet I am amazed at how many people sing his praises.
How can they sing his praises? He hasn't done anything yet worthy of praise or am i missing something?
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Old 11-24-2008, 11:23 PM   #30
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David Icke has a good name for the politicians - oppossames, two parties same banksters and ceocracy running the show.
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Old 11-25-2008, 01:39 AM   #31
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Here are 2 links to get you started, but you should do your own research.


http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...ive_did_n.html

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...fcate_forgery/
No proof there. Any person can put up a website and claim anything they want.
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Old 11-25-2008, 02:22 AM   #32
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No proof there. Any person can put up a website and claim anything they want.
I understand....it is sometimes easier to follow the sheeple than to think for yourself.

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Old 11-25-2008, 02:24 AM   #33
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How can they sing his praises? He hasn't done anything yet worthy of praise or am i missing something?
OBAHHHAHHHMA, that is the song of sheep. There is no need to accomplish anything, just following is good enough for the sheeple....notice how I have a Border Collie?

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Old 11-25-2008, 02:56 AM   #34
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Hello Everyone...

I'm new here but I am pretty sure I'll be around for a long time. That said - I saw this post and felt I had to comment.

I do agree that what We're seeing now gives Me less hope that Obama will bring the change(s) We want to see. Oh - He'll bring change alright - Its just that the change He'll bring will likely be change I'd wager We'd be better off without.

Please understand Me when I say We do INDEED need change. Its just that with Obama picking up every former Clintonite and Hillary to boot - I'm seeing less of a change and more of the same old same old if Ya know what I mean.

Now here is where I must diverge from the mainstream of what I've seen posted here in this Thread...

I and others have Energetically supported Obama on His rise to the White House but We did this to push things along - Not to see the first Black Man Elected to the Presidency of the United States (Although that was a nice side-deal). The reason We did this was so that the Game could finally wind down. It has been obvious to Me and others that TPTB have selected this Man to be Their Anti-Christ (Their Book - Their Plan/Play | Not Ours)...

Now picture this...

Theres a Play running and Everyone has their part which is to be played at the apppropriate time. For two thousand years TPTB have been winding down Their own clock to this time in Their Play. Their Final act is about to begin and so the Actor playing the AC had to be supported so as to bring this Game to It's conclusion. Remember - This is Their Play not Mine - They're running Their Play by the numbers and Hes Their AC in It - Much like any Actor. He was moulded into this Role - Not created for it like some would have Us believe.

That said - The Board is ready - The Pieces are set. Its now Time to bring up the House Lights and raise the Curtain for the last Act...

As an addendum here. I hope that I and My fellows are wrong and Obama truly does bring the change(s) We seek - But - I believe that to see change - One must be the change They wish to see.

After all - The Harvest this time around is about Mastership - Not Saviourship. That stated - Those needing a Saviour will be provided with one. Just be careful what You wish for - You might get more than You bargained for...

Watching & Waiting...

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Old 11-25-2008, 03:53 AM   #35
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Hello Everyone...

I'm new here but I am pretty sure I'll be around for a long time. That said - I saw this post and felt I had to comment.

I do agree that what We're seeing now gives Me less hope that Obama will bring the change(s) We want to see. Oh - He'll bring change alright - Its just that the change He'll bring will likely be change I'd wager We'd be better off without.

Please understand Me when I say We do INDEED need change. Its just that with Obama picking up every former Clintonite and Hillary to boot - I'm seeing less of a change and more of the same old same old if Ya know what I mean.

Now here is where I must diverge from the mainstream of what I've seen posted here in this Thread...

I and others have Energetically supported Obama on His rise to the White House but We did this to push things along - Not to see the first Black Man Elected to the Presidency of the United States (Although that was a nice side-deal). The reason We did this was so that the Game could finally wind down. It has been obvious to Me and others that TPTB have selected this Man to be Their Anti-Christ (Their Book - Their Plan/Play | Not Ours)...

Now picture this...

Theres a Play running and Everyone has their part which is to be played at the apppropriate time. For two thousand years TPTB have been winding down Their own clock to this time in Their Play. Their Final act is about to begin and so the Actor playing the AC had to be supported so as to bring this Game to It's conclusion. Remember - This is Their Play not Mine - They're running Their Play by the numbers and Hes Their AC in It - Much like any Actor. He was moulded into this Role - Not created for it like some would have Us believe.

That said - The Board is ready - The Pieces are set. Its now Time to bring up the House Lights and raise the Curtain for the last Act...

As an addendum here. I hope that I and My fellows are wrong and Obama truly does bring the change(s) We seek - But - I believe that to see change - One must be the change They wish to see.

After all - The Harvest this time around is about Mastership - Not Saviourship. That stated - Those needing a Saviour will be provided with one. Just be careful what You wish for - You might get more than You bargained for...

Watching & Waiting...
Welcome Mercuriel,

In my heart, I think Obama (in the past) could have been a cool guy to party with....he seems hip enough. However, IMO he is NOW under serious mind control, and sheeple really need to understand what that really means, as best we can.

It is truly sad, that we have no chose. WE THE PEOPLE don't have a voice anymore.....we can try to exercise it; as I have in writing to the 9 supreme court judges regarding the pending Obama litigations. We shall see what they conclude.....and I suspect more BS, and more disregard for our constitution....yet, from the SUPREME COURT, there most coveted responsibility is to uphold the Constitution....if they let WE THE PEOPLE down, then we know we are all f**cked, and so it is time for a REVOLUTION....I will not go down with out a fight!

Peace out.
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Old 11-25-2008, 04:46 AM   #36
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No proof there. Any person can put up a website and claim anything they want.

http://obamacrimes.com/ listen to the video from Polarik.

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Old 11-25-2008, 06:46 PM   #37
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Does anyone on this thread think that Obama would come out and stand up against the PTB in any mass media way, or otherwise? If he supports giving power to the people, how can he truly campaign for that without getting dissappeared? It's a long shot, but if he is fighting the PTB, he has to be very strategic. What would you do? We all know the "sheeple" will not be in the streets until they lose everything. To fix things, once we get to that point, would be a nightmare. Point is, if there are "white hats", they are probably at work now. Again, Kennedy tried to take down the fed and that didn't work out to well for him. It is possible that everyone he is surrounding himself with are political pawns, and/or PTB. It is also possible that even the PTB at some point see the game collapsing. At what point do they get off the ride? When they've lost or before they lose? If Obama is just part of this ongoing manipulation, no one will be surprised. That would be considered status quo in my lifetime. People aren't stupid, they're just hopeful for the first time in a long time.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:06 PM   #38
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:11 PM   #39
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Here is another link for you cool aid drinker:

http://obamacrimes.com/ listen to the video from Polarik.

And don;t forget to not drink too much before you listen, as it might impair your perceptions.

There isn't a clear source on this video. I will say that most of this type of info on Obama has come from either the neocons or the right wing radio/blogs. These are the same people who helped to get Bush/Cheney in. I'm not really sure where you are headed with this. Maybe Bush should declare martial law so he can stay in office and fix everything before Barack screws it up.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:21 PM   #40
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Here is another link for you cool aid drinker:

http://obamacrimes.com/ listen to the video from Polarik.

And don;t forget to not drink too much before you listen, as it might impair your perceptions.
Those are some pretty vile comments there bodhisattva, is that how you treat anyone who doesn't agree with you? Seems I saw you mention the word "peace" in an earlier post, strange way of showing it!

I find all these anti-Obama threads very odd. Yes, we know he was just the lesser of two evils, which isn't what we want. I wanted Dennis Kucinich to be president, you wanted Ron Paul. We got neither

Personally I am relieved to see the Bush/Cheney reign of terror coming to an end for the simple reason that the vast majority of "sheeple" (as you love to keep calling people) - who were so blindly going along with the war/hate mentality can easily now be swayed to a more peaceful constructive mentality...is that mind control? I don't know but I would rather be in that environment where "We the people" can start to work towards a better world.

Instead of focusing on everything that's wrong with Obama (which I agree there are some major points), why not try to work with what we have right now, or would you rather sit on your post and attack?

Would you really rather that this "bomb, bomb Iran" moron was the "leader" of your precious country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:28 PM   #41
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http://obamacrimes.com/ listen to the video from Polarik.
Darling, it is Kool-Aid, not cool aid. Get your insults straight.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:31 PM   #42
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Those are some pretty vile comments there bodhisattva, is that how you treat anyone who doesn't agree with you? Seems I saw you mention the word "peace" in an earlier post, strange way of showing it!

I find all these anti-Obama threads very odd. Yes, we know he was just the lesser of two evils, which isn't what we want. I wanted Dennis Kucinich to be president, you wanted Ron Paul. We got neither

Personally I am relieved to see the Bush/Cheney reign of terror coming to an end for the simple reason that the vast majority of "sheeple" (as you love to keep calling people) - who were so blindly going along with the war/hate mentality can easily now be swayed to a more peaceful constructive mentality...is that mind control? I don't know but I would rather be in that environment where "We the people" can start to work towards a better world.

Instead of focusing on everything that's wrong with Obama (which I agree there are some major points), why not try to work with what we have right now, or would you rather sit on your post and attack?

Would you really rather that this "bomb, bomb Iran" moron was the "leader" of your precious country?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAzBxFaio1I
yes, i agree, I was not nice. I just edited those comments. I get frustrated sometimes with some people who blindly follow Obama, when there are so many questions about his authenticity.

Please watch this video to see what i mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ
by Dr. Ron Polarik on BO's forged birth certificate.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:36 PM   #43
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Darling, it is Kool-Aid, not cool aid. Get your insults straight.
Thanks Sarahmay, got it, Kool-Aid; I don't drink the stuff.
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Old 11-25-2008, 07:58 PM   #45
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if elections could truly change anything, they`d be illegal.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:04 PM   #46
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Daniel Jacobs has added a transmission called:
"A Circle of Rivals"
Worthwhile reading.

Just a note....Tears are a recognition of truth. Never have so many tears been shed by so many people around the world in joy when Obama was elected. That says it all to me.

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Old 11-25-2008, 08:06 PM   #47
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yes, i agree, I was not nice. I just edited those comments. I get frustrated sometimes with some people who blindly follow Obama, when there are so many questions about his authenticity.

Please watch this video to see what i mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDIVEfVGLBQ
by Dr. Ron Polarik on BO's forged birth certificate.
Thanks for the comment back...I get frustrated too, we all do. Everyone has different views and opinions on every subject, sometimes I feel like hurling abuse too

I have to say though, I haven't seen any really pro-Obama worshippy type posts on this forum, I've just seen people expressing a lot of relief but some caution with it, pretty much how I feel.

On another note, I just ran to the local shop. A big gnarly man parked next to me and sent such venomous looks I actually felt quite scared....the problem?
He was reading my 2 bumper stickers: "War is Not the Answer" and "Please support the campaign for a US Dept of Peace"!! I get a lot of verbal abuse for those sometimes.... I'm female which may have been my only saving grace today

We've got a long way to go in this world

Peace to you bohisattva, we'll get it all sorted out one day.
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Old 11-25-2008, 08:13 PM   #48
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Bodhisattva,

Probably all any of us will have to do is just wait and see what will happen when/if Obama is sworn in. And, if he is I personally have no doubt whatsoever that those that voted for him will see eventually, if not very very soon that he is just like all the other puppets with you know who pulling the strings....patience my friend. It will play out exactly as it did with Bush I and II ... I only wonder..can Obama be worse than these guys....?....YEs he can and I'm betting he will be!

Time for a revolution? You bet!

Beautiful picture of you and your dog.....
Your eyes reflect kindness and a deep knowing....
that's all I need to know about you....

I'm with you 1000%!

Peace to all....

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Old 11-25-2008, 09:03 PM   #49
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Thanks for the comment back...I get frustrated too, we all do. Everyone has different views and opinions on every subject, sometimes I feel like hurling abuse too

I have to say though, I haven't seen any really pro-Obama worshippy type posts on this forum, I've just seen people expressing a lot of relief but some caution with it, pretty much how I feel.

On another note, I just ran to the local shop. A big gnarly man parked next to me and sent such venomous looks I actually felt quite scared....the problem?
He was reading my 2 bumper stickers: "War is Not the Answer" and "Please support the campaign for a US Dept of Peace"!! I get a lot of verbal abuse for those sometimes.... I'm female which may have been my only saving grace today

We've got a long way to go in this world

Peace to you bohisattva, we'll get it all sorted out one day.
Funny about your bumper stickers. Mine reads, "Question Reality", people don't get mad, but sometimes looked puzzled.

Peace back a cha', and yes we will all get through this.
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:06 PM   #50
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Bodhisattva,

Probably all any of us will have to do is just wait and see what will happen when/if Obama is sworn in. And, if he is I personally have no doubt whatsoever that those that voted for him will see eventually, if not very very soon that he is just like all the other puppets with you know who pulling the strings....patience my friend. It will play out exactly as it did with Bush I and II ... I only wonder..can Obama be worse than these guys....?....YEs he can and I'm betting he will be!

Time for a revolution? You bet!

Beautiful picture of you and your dog.....
Your eyes reflect kindness and a deep knowing....
that's all I need to know about you....

I'm with you 1000%!

Peace to all....

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Thank you Inkoze. That is Bodhi the Border Collie, he is a great guy, and will help us round up all the sheeple, when it is time for our revolution.
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