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Old 12-14-2009, 09:28 PM   #51
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This is compliments of Geraldine,
who put it together, and, compiled it for Troy
at www.truthloveenergy.ning.com
(it's a closed site) unless you join as a member

this is interesting

The Cadres are arranged to create a Support Group of 12. Each of the Cadres has a particular position to play in the interactions with other Cadres within the Energy Ring. The general description of energies below is not literal, but more about the overall themes, motivations, and contributions that each Cadre contributes to the Energy Ring.

Cadre 1 = Love (initiators, inspirers, pioneers)
Cadre 2 = Knowledge (questioners, insight givers, facilitators)
Cadre 3 = Compassion (nurturers, integrators, peacemakers)
Cadre 4 = Mentor (guides, counselors, role models)
Cadre 5 = Beauty (artists, highlights the best of things)
Cadre 6 = Child (innocent, distracting, requires care)
Cadre 7 = Humor (funny, brings laughter, pleasure givers)
Cadre 8 = Discipline (responsible, focused, decision clarifiers)
Cadre 9 = Anchor (security, acceptance, grounding)
Cadre 10 = Healer (bringing balance, healing)
Cadre 11 = Enlightenment (teachers, ‘light’ bringers, providing structures for perceiving reality)
Cadre 12 = Muse (highest values, abstract concepts, bringers of aspiration)

Within each Cadre there are 7 Entities. Each Entity has a general flavor or theme based on two factors:

One factor is based on its Number Position within the Cadre, and

Another factor is based on the impact of the Roles and general themes of interest shared.

The Number Position in the Cadre is described in terms of Positive Pole and Negative Pole. If you look closely, these Poles describe degrees of solidity vs. fragmentation. For instance, Entity Number Two has +Stability and -Balance. Picture a solid surface where both of your feet are planted firmly as the positive pole suggests. This is Stability. Now imagine placing that solid surface (like a board) on something like a cylinder or ball, creating a teetering effect that you must now strive to Balance, like the negative pole describes. Every Positive and Negative Pole in the Michael Teachings only refers to a version of “oneness” Vs “separation”. They are not good or bad.

Entity One: +Purpose -Simplicity
Entity Two: +Stability -Balance
Entity Three: +Enterprising -Versatility
Entity Four: +Consolidation -Achievement
Entity Five: +Expansion -Adventure
Entity Six: +Harmony -Connection
Entity Seven: +Inculcation -Eclecticism

This set of energies is the same for all sets of Entities in any Cadre.

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Old 12-15-2009, 03:25 AM   #52
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yes, he was second level old
Artisan cast Scholar,
who performed clicked into his higher eXpression
commonly referred to, as essence
along with many discarnate task companions,
the type of music, he made, was NOT made alone,
an idealist with the goal of growth, in the mode of passion,
intellectual/emotional centre
(opposite of your makeup-gnosis5,
as you are emotional/intellectual centre)
his chief dragon of arrogance always in check
Cadre 1, Entity 3
so, gnosis5, he was a fragement,
a part of your immediate, cadre, and, entity group 1-3
The fragments from that cadre/entity
are reality shifters...on earth
lots of artisans and
lots of scholars

The Michaels/Susan


For more information:
(the list below, was taken from:
www.michaelteachings.com)
"The j.s. bach entity'"~"The Reality Shifters"
scholars and artisans
quite a few famous ones too:
(see the list)
Bella Abzug, Johann Sebastian Bach, David Bowie,
Barbara Brennan, David Byrne, Rodney Collin-Smith,
Alan Cumming, Gina Davis, Roger Ebert, Albert Einstein,
Ben Franklin, Bill Gates, Whoopi Goldberg, Jeff Goldblum,
Tom Hanks, Pee Wee Herman, Gregory Hines, Diane Keaton,
John Lennon, David Lynch, Muktananda, Maxfield Parrish,
Kenny Rogers, Vincent Van Gogh, Mario Van Peebles,
Debra Winger, Stevie Wonder, William Wordsworth.

eXchanger, the data you gave about Bach fits with what I saw in one of my clearing sessions: I created before time and matter my "perfect child" and he was the prototype of Bach and a "chip" off the old Gnosis block :-) I did invest a part of myself into creating him as an identity and so I am not surprised at the data, just wanted to confirm what I already saw.

He later went on to become Felix Mendelssohn, or at least enough of Bach was in Felix for me to spend a lifetime in support of this being also.

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I'm sorry but i am a little uncomfortable with soul rankings, it may lead to a caste system.
Remember it's said that Jesus hung out with the so called low life drunks and prostitutes
to relax after arguing all day with the self-righteous priests at the temple!
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just another way to judge your fellow man
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jesus was a 7th level old soul - til he ascended

ironically; there are NO short cuts
When it is said he ascended, did he ascend from the Messianic Plane to the Buddhic Plane?

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What are the "Michael Teachings"?

Be kind to each other,
for these teachings mean nothing without agape . . . . Michael

AGAPE = LOVE

http://www.itstime.com/michael.htm
Today, after a particularly unusual session I started to take a look at and feel what it is like to love without attachment or desire. It was a new freedom. I can't say it is stable, but at least a peek of what's ahead.

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a lot of 5th level old souls - commit suicide
and, 6th level old souls - go insane
Which would seem to imply that they, like older generation, get burned out and degrade through each preceding cycle. I know I did, and boy am I backpedalling as fast as I can while I have this good time to do so. I found the best clearing practitioner I could on the planet and I'm not making another commitment until I know I'm rehabilitated from my obvious spiritual burnout.

Getting dropped on Planet Earth is a suicide mission, didn't ya know. What doesn't make one crazy will make one better -- I think that's what they told us.

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just another way to judge your fellow man
Yup, agreed, if one chooses to use it that way. It is simply a tool, like a gun, and can be used according to who is using it. Perhaps, in good healing hands it can be used as part of a bridge.

Also, remember Michael is operating from:

Causal plane: The third plane of creation. Its medium is concrete intellectual energy. It is Michael's plane of existence.

When one works towards and attains a subjective reality of their infinite existence then all constructs can be created and uncreated, and there is an infinite possiblity of games within games. The trick has been how to not fall or collapse into one's game and be the effect of their own game and forgetting their prior existence. (I'm working my way out of that dilemma right now).

Do you think Jesus or Buddha are controlled by this construct or use this construct to control or judge any man? I don't think so. It's Michael's bag. Michael will also ascend and leave all this behind.


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i think, i posted a bunch of stuff

to the other thread, that, likely should have gone here
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TROY; AND; all you might find this interesting from Spirit Web:

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:40:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul

On Wed, 17 Dec 97 John wrote:

I do have a serious question to ask you and the group. Other
metaphysical circles have stated that the Infinite Soul has been born
(thought I haven't heard the term "Infinite Soul" except in a Michael
context). Does anyone know the status of the reimergence of the
Infinite Soul? What plane of existance will the Infinite Soul teach
from? Has a host or hosts been chosen? When will the Infinite Soul
make his/her debut?
John Macchietto


In a private session, Michael told me that there are
now two Infinite Souls on the planet.
One is Mother Meera in Germany
and the other is a young boy in Siberia.
I'm not sure of their "status" at this time
(whether or not the Infinite Soul has replaced the Transcendental souls.)
In her book _Upcoming Changes_,
Joya Pope mentions Mother Meera
and I believe she states that at the time of the writing,
she was still a Transcendental Soul. Joya, can you clarify?

I think that a lot of people believe that Mother Meera is an Infinite Soul.
People by the tens of thousands (or more?)
have gone to Germany to sit darshan with her.
I know that I feel a special, loving energy
when I look at her picture, which sits on my dresser.
You might find her web site interesting.

Hope this helps!

Take care all,
Janet


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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 09:40:04 -0800
Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul

On Wed, 17 Dec 97 John wrote:

I do have a serious question to ask you and the group. Other
metaphysical circles have stated that the Infinite Soul has been born
(thought I haven't heard the term "Infinite Soul" except in a Michael
context). Does anyone know the status of the reimergence of the
Infinite Soul? What plane of existance will the Infinite Soul teach
from? Has a host or hosts been chosen? When will the Infinite Soul
make his/her debut?
John Macchietto

In a private session, Michael told me that there are now two Infinite Souls on the planet.
One is Mother Meera in Germany and the other is a young boy in Siberia. I'm not sure of their "status" at this time (whether or not the Infinite Soul has replaced the Transcendental souls.) In her book _Upcoming Changes_, Joya Pope mentions Mother Meera and I believe she states that at the time of the writing, she was still a Transcendental Soul. Joya, can you clarify?

I think that a lot of people believe that Mother Meera is an Infinite Soul. People by the tens of thousands (or more?) have gone to Germany to sit darshan with her. I know that I feel a special, loving energy when I look at her picture, which sits on my dresser. You might find her web site interesting.

Hope this helps!

Take care all,
Janet


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Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:05:35 EST
Subject: 4 pillars/Introduction

Hello!

Here's another introduction, if it actually posts to the board. I've been trying to get in for quite a while and spiritweb seems equally determined to keep yet another sage out! I am also a Texan Sage, 5th old, Scholar ET, power, growth, realist, int center/moving part, CF arrogance.

In light of my particular overleaves I have a general question for you all in reference to Dick's comment of:



<<< The purpose of the life task is to use the focused energy of the essence in the framework of capabilities provided by the Overleaves. In a very real sense, the Overleaves are chosen to permit the fragment to complete the life task, should the fragment choose to do so. >>>


Michael tells me that "a large portion of [my] life task has to do with dissemination of [my] own perspective gained through experience...." I was struck somewhat by a seeming incongruity between my task and a goal of growth with a mode of power. On the surface I would have thought that Discrimination and Observation would seem to jive better with my task. For that matter, Growth and Power seem to be a tough assignment, in general, at 5th level old.... What do you guys think that the indications/ramifications are here???

Thanks for the help!! Kathy.


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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:30:06 -0600
Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul

Thank you Janet.

I went to the Mother Meera page. There's still a lot to digest there. I had never heard of her before. I have a friend who's an old 7th level priest who lives in San Antonio who went to a Jose Stephens seminar about a year ago. She told me that Stephens channelled that the Infinate Soul was considering 3 or 4 host bodies at the time and one lived in Mississippi. Talk about Mississippi burning.

John Macchietto


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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 04:31:11 -0600
Subject: Re: Initiation Song

So Dave,

Did you do a bout during the Spanish Inquisition too, Tokamata? Personally, I don't know if all the sagey comments between us would be too much for the group, but you never did tell me if I passed my initiation. Did you write those first two verses yourself or were they written by other Michael Teaching inductees?

I incessantly wait for your response.

John


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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 09:50:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Infinite Soul

Our panel of channels at the AMT conference and others in private sessions have said that the Infinite Soul is coming through many people as increased energy and awareness, rather than as a single person who will change the world. This coincides with moving from a hierarchal young soul structure (one person as the only leader) to a group-oriented mature soul structure (many are leaders).

--
Barbara Taylor


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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 13:33:47 EST
Subject: Re: Growth and power for the life task

Kathy wrote:



> Michael tells me that "a large portion of [my] life task has to do with
> dissemination of [my] own perspective gained through experience...." I was
> struck somewhat by a seeming incongruity between my task and a goal of growth
> with a mode of power. On the surface I would have thought that Discrimination
> and Observation would seem to jive better with my task. For that matter,
> Growth and Power seem to be a tough assignment, in general, at 5th level
> old.... What do you guys think that the indications/ramifications are here???


Growth and power seem perfect to me for that task: growth keeps you seeking new experiences, and power amplifies your voice, so to speak, causing people to really listen.

All the best,
Shepherd


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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:12:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Introductions / Infinite Soul (1997-50/349)



| From: Janet Botto
|
| On Wed, 17 Dec 97 John wrote:
|
| > I do have a serious question to ask you and the group. Other
| > metaphysical circles have stated that the Infinite Soul has been born
| > (thought I haven't heard the term "Infinite Soul" except in a Michael
| > context). Does anyone know the status of the reimergence of the
| > Infinite Soul? What plane of existance will the Infinite Soul teach
| > from? Has a host or hosts been chosen? When will the Infinite Soul
| > make his/her debut?
| >
| > John Macchietto


This is from my notes of a group channel session in June 1996 -

Quite a bit of discussion followed, and the topic evolved into info about the Infinite soul and Transcendental souls.

Michael elaborated a bit on what they've previously said about the Infinite soul WRT manifestations during our current planetary shift. Yes, there will be multiple manifestations, with at least one woman. The incarnations will be widely dispersed; Michael gave examples of one for each major religion, with one for those with no religion.

There are no Infinite souls incarnate at this time (confirms prior information). The decisions of through whom they will incarnate have not been finalized. It's a bit like mate agreements - there are many prospects, to allow for the inevitable unexpected occurrences brought about by free choice.

Someone asked about Transcendental souls... Discussing both when one is mentioned occurs frequently, I suspect because of some people's confusion about them.

During the discussion several people asked about specific names - if they were Transcendental souls. Answer - some were, some weren't. Those who were had names I am unfamiliar with. Michael spoke of one person who has a Transcendental soul present for about 30% of the time.

Many women were Infinite souls in prior times. There were female- dominated societies prior to the male-dominated ones. The records have been lost, either because the societies were so early or because the following male-dominated ones chose to lose the records (if it was said which, I don't recall).

In agreement with that, from _Journey_ -



"An infinite soul will likely incarnate again within the next forty or fifty years through more than one individual, most likely three, one or more of them female. This will reveal and bring to bear different aspects of the infinite soul. However, nothing has been definitely decided yet. In fact, nothing in the universe is certain until it happens." /353


My copy of _Journey_ is from the first printing, so is a couple of years old.

Prior to that session I had received the following unsolicited information from a correspondent -
The Lord Maitreya, The World Teacher
Maitreya as He appeared in Nairobi, Kenya, June 11, 1988
Who is Maitreya?
He has been expected for generations by all of the major
religions. Christians know Him as the Christ, and expect His
imminent return. Jews await Him as the Messiah; Hindus look
for the coming of Krishna; Buddhists expect Him as Maitreya
Buddha; and Muslims anticipate the Imam Mahdi or Messiah.


So at the session I asked if Maitreya is a Transcendental soul. Again from my notes -

Michael's answer - "Not yet." Note that this is for a Transcendental soul
not the Infinite soul. So we're talking the equivalent of Gandhi,
not Christ, and the expectations above are a little off base.
Not only that, but a Transcendental soul has not manifested in Maitreya yet,
so by definition might not.

| In a private session, Michael told me that there are now two Infinite
| Souls on the planet.
Do you recall the date of that session?

One is Mother Meera in Germany and the other is a young boy in Siberia.
I'm not sure of their "status" at this time (whether or not the Infinite
Soul has replaced the Transcendental souls.)


I have a problem with this information for two reasons. First, the Infinite soul manifests so much energy that a human body cannot withstand it for long periods of time. Again from _Journey_ -

Because infinite soul energy, especially, is so intense, the human body cannot handle it for very long. For example, the actual incarnation of the infinite soul through Jesus occurred only thirty days before he completed his work.
Before that, he was a seventh-level old king. /352

And don't forget the purpose of the Infinite soul's manifesting -

An infinite soul incarnates in order to catalyze massive spiritual change in a civilization, generally during a shift from one average soul age to another. /352

Not likely for a young boy.

The other reason is - the Infinite soul does not replace a Transcendental soul. The normal progression is for one or more Transcendental souls to precede manifestation(s) of the Infinite soul, but not in the same bodies. Recall that Transcendental souls walk in to bodies occupied by 6th or 7th level Old Priests while the Infinite soul replaces 7th level Old Kings.

| In her book _Upcoming Changes_, Joya Pope mentions Mother Meera and I
| believe she states that at the time of the writing, she was still a
| Transcendental Soul. Joya, can you clarify?
|
| I think that a lot of people believe that Mother Meera is an Infinite
| Soul.


I seriously doubt that if the Infinite soul had manifested, the knowledge would not have become widely known quickly. Again from _Journey_ -

"You will probably be able to recognize the infinite soul without much problem." /353

People by the tens of thousands (or more?) have gone to Germany to sit
| darshan with her. I know that I feel a special, loving energy when I
| look at her picture, which sits on my dresser. You might find her web
| site interestin.


I looked it up and found -

The Divine Mother has always been worshipped as the sustaining soul and force of the universe. Although some of the faces that she wears are well known -- Kali, the Virgin Mary, Isis, for example -- many of her embodied forms have chosen to work quietly in the world. In turbulent times such as these, several incarnations of the Divine Mother move among us, each with her particular task of healing or protection or transformation. One of the most widely revered and loved of these Avatars of the Divine Mother is Mother Meera, a young Indian woman who was born on December 26, 1960, in the village of Chandepalle in southern India.

I have seen nothing in any of the Michael books that references the "Divine Mother". So as far as I am concerned the title has no meaning. Maybe she is a Transcendental soul or is manifesting Transcendental energy.

More from _Journey_ -



"There are many people these days who are tapping in to higher energies, but the truly great rarely make claims. They allow their presence to make those claims for them." /356


And -

"There is one person now living who is a possible vehicle for this incarnation [Infinite soul], or so we hear. However, there will probably be as many as a hundred candidates 'lined up' so that the Tao can see who is the most apropos when the time comes. It is like your making several mate agreements before your lifetime. You generally do not expect to mate with all of them. You line them up as possibilities. When it comes time to mate, you decide based on how things are then." /353

Regards,----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 12:14:09 -0800
Subject: Re: Infinite Soul (1997-50/355)

| From: Barbara Taylor
| Our panel of channels at the AMT conference and others in private
| sessions have said that the Infinite Soul is coming through many people
| as increased energy and awareness, rather than as a single person who
| will change the world. This coincides with moving from a hierarchal
| young soul structure (one person as the only leader) to a group-oriented
| mature soul structure (many are leaders).
Yes but we are not there yet. There are many Young souls (and young souls) who will need strong leadership to change their views. According to my information, which is less than two years old (see other thread), there will be several manifestations of the Infinite soul during this planetary shift. While there may have been changes in plans during this time, I doubt that it would be to the degree that there will be no full manifestations.

Regards,
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 14:47:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: re infinite souls

All that Dick has posted about ifinite souls echoes what I have been hearing, mostly from Jose, for years.
Other info that I have heard is that the infinite soul energy is transmitted to the planet as a whole at the time it is being manifested by someone (such as Jesus).
So, what I've heard, is that while the Jesus-type person is carrying the infinite soul energy, the support people around him or her are also channeling the energy, albeit to a lesser degree.
If I am understanding this correctly, the energy will available to us all at that time. What an opportunity!
Questions come up. how will children handle the energy? Will they be even more open to it than adults, even those who are practiced at being open?
How will the world handle several infinite channels? Will they be treated like Jesus? Will they tone down their messages to avoid conflict.? Will the impetus they bring for change create more violence on the planet as some resist change?
One of the great failings of Christanity has been to focus on Jesus the man instead of his message. Will several channels appearing at once deflect the focus from their personalities?
Will they be from one plane -messianic, buddhaic ... or more than one (if that is how it works.
How will they use mass media?
A less serious thought: If the old testament was set during baby soul times and the new testament during the beginning of the young soul age, will we have to stick a newer testament on the Bible for the mature soul age? (Yes It will called General Hospital)
Jose had a beautifully poetic description of how the infinite soul energy comes to the planet. He said it was like a boat of ice melting into the waters of our energy here. ---John Clark
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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 23:52:25 EST

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3. When addressing a Michael student whose soul age places them at a heirachical advantage, always preface your comments to them with, "oh, greater one of higher status..." and etc...

4. When posting to the list, the rule of thumb should always be that "it's better to be glib than perceive." In addition, short, pithy statements like, "I agree," "tripindicular," or "in a pig's eye you *******!," are ALWAYS encouraged.

Digest No. 1997-12-19 of Michael Teachings List INFINITE SOULS

If the Infinite Soul is "living" among us in a recent incarnation, does this mean that physically he/she is still a child? Thus that person's impact would not manifest itself for, say, a decade?

I am very new to replying to this list, I finally feel as if I can ask a question.

Thanks!
Rona


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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 15:30:36 EST
Subject: Infinite souls

"Whereas other prophets spoke through words, through prophecies, through admonitions, through knowledge, through great deeds, Jesus spoke through the human experience. He knew it was not in the thunder or lightning, not in the loudness of words or the magnitude of deeds, but in the little things -- the kind word, the gentle touch -- that brought God into the hearts and minds of men and women. Instead of seeking to illustrate metaphysical truths, or demonstrate healing ability, or explain the laws of God and life, or gain followers, Jesus was motivated first and foremost, by compassion. Above all, Jesus taught, and demonstrated, love."

I don't know whose quote this is, but a couple things struck me in regard to Mother Meera who I have met and am longing to see again. She is an Indian woman who even in childhood set herself apart for the spiritual experiences and energies which happened to her. Coincidence has her living in a small baby soul populated German village a couple hours from Frankfort. She says simply she is here to bring a particular new form of energy on to the planet, And she give darshan by touching your head to pull tangled stuff and then looking into your eyes to a wide variety of people 4 evenings a week from her house which has gradually expanded to hold more people. Four connected villages now make lots of their income of visitors to see her. She lives modestly, cleans, shops, visits the dentist and works on construction projects on the house. She turns down magazine interviews (Time, Newsweek and others) and focuses on her work, bringing in this light. She doesn't talk much, her book Answers is mostly typical Hindu ways of looking at world, but I think the words aren't the point with her. Its holding the space for this new energy to come thru.

Meeting her, I expected to feel the huge light of a Sai Baba, the huge love of Ama Chi, a huge expanded transcendental aura, but to my amazement, found her to like a black hole--something I have never given thought to but suddenly it was the only apt description of her energy for me. She is a small, solid woman with the solidity being so strong the the black hole idea comes up for me, the whole universe easily and densely packed into one tiny body. No bright lights, no flamboyance at least at darshans, just precision, focus in working with each one of us, one at a time.

I can't think of her and not see infinite. Emily B. channels her as transcendental bringing in infinite energies. I can't imagine that infinite souls may only step into 7th level kings as correct channeling; reminds me of channeling saying everybody but priests can channel Michael. Is the universe so limited?

I know Jose does not believe she is infinite. Does not really matter for ultimately maybe we will know, maybe she stays really quiet forever, maybe we won't know. Maybe flashier souls come in with miracles everyplace and grab our attention. And maybe they are and maybe they aren't/

Seems like there is some glamour thing expected here, maybe some maya, some illusion, around that? And of course we are curious.

I do believe fully amped-infinite energy ruins bodies by burn-up quickly but also I believe that there are many ways to hold the energy to regulate it to protect the body.

I can't feel Mother Meera and get anything but infinite, but like all channeling one must verify, validate by interior resonance yourself.

I suppose the channeling about infinite souls in Siberia and Mississippi is about young bodies preparing for the entrance of infinite energies, and right maybe it happens and maybe it doesn't. In fact, the one I feel in Siberia seems like King/Artisan energy now

Hope this adds.

Joya


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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 21:46:21 -0600
Subject: Epicurus

I was just rereading "Messages" and read a passage regarding the Philosopher Epicurus. Two years ago I was given a new psychological test to determine my personality type and was told I was an "Epicurean". Does anyone know if Michael has ever made mention of the Essence of Epicurus.

I am just curious to see if I am the same Essence as he was.

Thanks.

Jeanne Holley


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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:49:44 -0800
Subject: Re: re infinite souls (1997-50/359)



| From: John Clark
|
| All that Dick has posted about ifinite souls echoes what I have been
| hearing, mostly from Jose, for years. Other info that I have heard is
| that the infinite soul energy is transmitted to the planet as a whole at
| the time it is being manifested by someone (such as Jesus). So, what
| I've heard, is that while the Jesus-type person is carrying the infinite
| soul energy, the support people around him or her are also channeling
| the energy, albeit to a lesser degree. If I am understanding this
| correctly, the energy will available to us all at that time. What an
| opportunity!


Indeed. From _More Messages_ -



The experience of the manifestation of the transcendental soul on the physical plane does much to make astral fragments more accessible to those on the physical plane. The experience of the manifestation of the infinite soul on the physical plane brings more mid-causal teachers--reunited entities such as we are--to seeking students on the physical plane. While those on the physical plane are not yet into the sixth or seventh cycles, which are experienced on the astral and causal planes, validation of these cycles is possible for even very young souls during manifestations of the transcendental and infinite souls. /202




| Questions come up. how will children handle the energy? Will they be
| even more open to it than adults, even those who are practiced at being
| open?


Likely, IMO.



| How will the world handle several infinite channels? Will they be
| treated like Jesus?


Probably by some.



| Will they tone down their messages to avoid conflict.?


I should hope not. If conflict is to be a part of the transition, so be it.



| Will the impetus they bring for change create more violence on the
| planet as some resist change?


Very possibly among early cycle individuals.



| One of the great failings of Christanity has been to focus on Jesus the
| man instead of his message.


Much of that occurred after the fact, promulgated by others. From _Messages_ -



The essential teaching of Christianity had its roots, of course, in a manifestation of the infinite soul, but like most bureaucracies it was perpetuated by young priests in the passion mode, at their most zealous, who were willing to interject their own biases into the material. Today's Christianity bears little resemblance to the teachings of the man Jesus or to the Logos brought to bear by the infinite soul. ... The old king who was the man Jesus relinquished his physical body to the infinite soul only during the last thirty days of his life. Prior to that, the teaching was that of a seventh-level old king, transcendent, an enlightened being. ... Much of the chronology of the events in this man's life is confused, distorted, and in some instances, wholly fictionalized. /183




| Will several channels appearing at once deflect the focus from their
| personalities?


That will probably depend a lot on circumstances. E.g., how well-known is it that there are multiple manifestations? If that is known, are the others' personalities known? Etc.



| Will they be from one plane -messianic, buddhaic ... or more than one
| (if that is how it works.


Good question - I didn't think to ask when I had the opportunity. In _Journey_, Shepherd notes -



When the infinite soul walked in through Jesus, it was a representative of a reunited messianic-plane cadre that channeled the Tao's energy inspirationally, since the messianic plane is the cardinal inspiration plane. /352




| How will they use mass media?


Hopefully they won't (won't need to).



| A less serious thought: If the old testament was set during baby soul
| times and the new testament during the beginning of the young soul age,
| will we have to stick a newer testament on the Bible for the mature soul age?


Possibly, for those who need it.



| Jose had a beautifully poetic description of how the infinite soul
| energy comes to the planet. He said it was like a boat of ice melting
| into the waters of our energy here.---John Clark


"Beautifully poetic"? Sounds kind of weird to me. :-/

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


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Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:50:03 -0800
Subject: Re: INFINITE SOULS (1997-50/361)



| From: Beejack123
|
| If the Infinite Soul is "living" among us in a recent incarnation, does
| this mean that physically he/she is still a child? Thus that person's
| impact would not manifest itself for, say, a decade?


See my message -

Archive of Michael Teachings List (1997-50/357)
...for information about that.



| I am very new to replying to this list, I finally feel as if I can ask
| a question.
|
| Thanks!
| Rona


You picked a good topic to jump in on. Welcome!

Regards,
Dick [2.1(3)/5/4.2-144=4.7.3<5.150/M.5=26/4.11>]
----------------------------------------------------
Dick Hein / Mountain View, California.


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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:29:10 EST
Subject: Infinite Soul

Joya, I loved your post about Mother Meera. Sometimes the most profound is the most subtle. Having read it, I would like to meet her, if and when I ever get to Europe.

I wonder if much of the disagreement here and throughout the Michael teachings relates to semantics, to the fact that we're using the same terms but define them a little differently. So technically, the way you define "infinite soul," Mother Meera might be one, whereas the way terms were originally defined in Yarbro, she might be described in another way. In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one.

There are many tremendous, powerful healers on the planet, often with one "specialty." I was deeply moved by the story told by Michael Harner of a remarkable Indian woman who merely touched people and healed them. She wanted to study with him to learn how to journey shamanistically, and just couldn't do it; she was not a visual person. She broke down in tears in the frustration, yet she had another gift that most people would value above any other.

In Yarbro and in Sarah Chamber's original Michael channeling, the terms "infinite soul" and "transcendental soul" referred to a complete walkout of the original incarnating soul, and a total takeover of the body by a soul who normally resides in a reunited cadre or entity, respectively, on a high plane. I would liken that to having Michael in my body (with me gone) 24 hours a day. Even if the energy were modulated and everything possible was done to protect my body, I don't think that my body would survive long with that intensity that it wasn't designed for, like running 220 volts through a 110 appliance. On the other hand, it's possible that the body could be transmuted, raised in vibration so that it could last--anything is possible, especially in this new age we are entering.

According to my channeling, there are no transcendental or infinite souls as defined in Yarbro currently on earth, but lots of people bringing in those energies part-time, including channels.

All the best,
Shepherd


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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 12:13:24 -0600
Subject: Re: Infinite Soul

Thank you Shepherd. I have been very confused by the concept of the Infinite Soul coming through many people at once. My small understanding of the Michael Teachings was that the Infinite Soul would come as a "walk in" through one who was a Transcendent Being. Again, as you say, this may all be semantics, but I find it very confusing. Since, at this time, I don't "channel" at all, I find myself skeptical of so many "old souls" "channeling" Michael all of the time. I am attempting to clarify much of this through studying the "archives", but some of it confuses me even further. Semantics I understand.

Jeanne Holley

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<< In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one. >>


Um, she says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Many Europeans feel she has cleaned up Germany, much to their suprise. And to mine. We were only in the south, but it felt sparkling, fresh, and luminous energetically. I was prepared to cringe esp. since I usually want to run from the heavy beams of German restaurants!

Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals.

Joya



Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:30:20 EST
Subject: Mother Meera and Sai Baba

Dear Joya,



Mother Meera says she works with the planet bringing in
this new energy. that's her #1 job. Shepherd, I am curious
where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most
expanded of the transcendentals.


A client of mine was the assistant to Muktananda in India for several years, and heard all the guru gossip. Evidently, many gurus disapproved of Sai Baba because they felt that he did the "show off" phenomenal stuff at the expense of what it's really about. A friend of hers, a young man, went to see Sai Baba, and the man told her that Sai Baba had come on to him and masturbated him. Other gurus felt that Sai Baba was taking energy from young men's semen to "fuel" his phenomenal accomplishments.

I know that he has beautiful messages, and I sense that he does a lot of good, but spiritual expertise does not guarantee that someone has done the necessary mental/emotional work to get it together on those levels. In fact, many spiritual paths neglect or even discourage doing that work, although new age spirituality is joining the mental/emotional with the spiritual. It appears that Sai Baba was taking advantage of his power over those who were seeking to get some of his needs met in a way that wasn't completely clean and clear.

OTOH (On the other hand), evidently even Gandhi had his ethical lapses--we are all human, after all--although they likely took place before the transcendental soul entered. There are people all over the world--especially in India, which has such a rich spiritual tradition--who are doing extraordinary things spiritually. I recently read "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Paramhansa Yoganana, and it is full of remarkable accounts of gurus, etc. who performed "miracles" similar to what Jesus did, and other things as well. "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" also documents these things. Occult masters, as they are called in Yarbro, by definition, have transcended the limitations of ordinary human consciousness and can do things like that. That alone does not signify the entrance of a transcendental or infinite soul; it may just be that the soul in residence is quite accomplished in those areas. Often the message, though, is that we are all ultimately capable of such things.

BTW, Bob Zelman, whom you introduced me to, is a healer who also works with clearing planetary energies, although probably not on the same scale as Mother Meera. Many, many people, both physical and nonphysical, are working on this today.

I believe that anyone doing good, necessary work aligned with truth can receive nonphysical energetic assistance. Some of that energy may be called transcendental (from a reunited entity) or infinite (from a reunited cadre). Basically, we're given as much (and the kind of) energy as we can effectively handle. There are many powerful people, such as Mother Meera, who can channel a lot of higher energies.

Love,
Shepherd

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:41:05 +0900 (JST)
Subject: Re: 'Mother Meera and Sai Baba' in clear text (1997-51/378)



> From: ShepherdH
>
> A client of mine was the assistant to Muktananda in India for several
> years, and heard all the guru gossip. Evidently, many gurus disapproved
> of Sai Baba because they felt that he did the "show off" phenomenal stuff
> at the expense of what it's really about. A friend of hers, a young man,
> went to see Sai Baba, and the man told her that Sai Baba had come on to
> him and masturbated him. Other gurus felt that Sai Baba was taking energy
> from young men's semen to "fuel" his phenomenal accomplishments.


I was making a bad taste remark, but let me just say that that offers is a lot of fuel for thought. I am not a Sai Baba follower, I have been to one of their centers in Tokyo once and licked their powder. I don't like the idea that it may have been semenized. )) What is the essential difference between that Sai Baba story and drawing energy from young girls sexually or from emotionally shattered followers turned servants? I don't mean to be an advocate for Sai Baba or Virgin Mary or any spiritual authority. I just mean to point out that a lot of stories, whether true or not, become public whenever one follower or a group of followers decides to break away. I have a copy of a letter of this nature that many of you may have read, from a group that left Siddha Yoga (Muktananda, that you mention, then Gurumayi). I can send its full text in private e-mail to anyone who is interested.

Jose Caldeira



Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 12:07:29 -0800
Subject: 'Re: Sai Baba' in clear text (1997-51/385)

José wrote:



> What is the essential difference between that Sai Baba story and drawing
> energy from young girls sexually or from emotionally shattered followers
> turned servants?


There is no difference. Since the 1960s, humanity's psychological sophistication has been growing by leaps and bounds. I'm sure we still have a long way to go, but what was once unquestioned, or seen as being perfectly okay or the right and proper way is now understood as being a violation. Those spiritual traditions that do not integrate or even discourage psychological awareness (as many do) remain stuck in inappropriate behaviors, although in most cases no harm is meant.

The guru tradition (with the absolute power of an authority figure) stems from baby soul times when it was probably the fast track to growth, and still may be when we're in our own spiritual childhood. When I was 16, I became involved with Emissaries of Divine Light (not to be confused with Divine Light Mission), a fine but somewhat cultish spiritual organization in which we looked on the leader as being virtually infallible. EDL had a hierarchal system of leadership, and members were expected to follow their "focalizer" without much questioning. That whole system has fallen apart now, but at the time, it was what I needed. I had little self-discipline and no means of accessing my own power and inner guidance. It is said that you have to learn how to follow before you can lead. However, after I learned the lessons of that phase, EDL no longer enriched me spiritually (I was euphoric at first to have discovered this "family"). I stayed too long out of loyalty, which often happens in the guru system.

I was not harmed or scarred from my EDL experience, although many members feel now that they were. It gave me an excellent grounding in basic spiritual principles that I still value, but it also kept me stuck in some limited beliefs that I only sprang free from when I started working with a remarkable psychotherapist who was also psychic.

Best,
Shepherd
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In a message dated 12/22/97 4:36:34 AM, Shepherdh wrote:



In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one. &gt;&gt;


Um, she says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Many Europeans feel she has cleaned up Germany, much to their suprise. And to mine. We were only in the south, but it felt sparkling, fresh, and luminous energetically. I was prepared to cringe esp. since I usually want to run from the heavy beams of German restaurants!

Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals.

Joya



Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:30:20 EST
Subject: Mother Meera and Sai Baba

Dear Joya,



Mother Meera says she works with the planet bringing in
this new energy. that's her #1 job. Shepherd, I am curious
where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most
expanded of the transcendentals.


A client of mine was the assistant to Muktananda in India for several years, and heard all the guru gossip. Evidently, many gurus disapproved of Sai Baba because they felt that he did the "show off" phenomenal stuff at the expense of what it's really about. A friend of hers, a young man, went to see Sai Baba, and the man told her that Sai Baba had come on to him and masturbated him. Other gurus felt that Sai Baba was taking energy from young men's semen to "fuel" his phenomenal accomplishments.

I know that he has beautiful messages, and I sense that he does a lot of good, but spiritual expertise does not guarantee that someone has done the necessary mental/emotional work to get it together on those levels. In fact, many spiritual paths neglect or even discourage doing that work, although new age spirituality is joining the mental/emotional with the spiritual. It appears that Sai Baba was taking advantage of his power over those who were seeking to get some of his needs met in a way that wasn't completely clean and clear.

OTOH (On the other hand), evidently even Gandhi had his ethical lapses--we are all human, after all--although they likely took place before the transcendental soul entered. There are people all over the world--especially in India, which has such a rich spiritual tradition--who are doing extraordinary things spiritually. I recently read "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Paramhansa Yoganana, and it is full of remarkable accounts of gurus, etc. who performed "miracles" similar to what Jesus did, and other things as well. "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" also documents these things. Occult masters, as they are called in Yarbro, by definition, have transcended the limitations of ordinary human consciousness and can do things like that. That alone does not signify the entrance of a transcendental or infinite soul; it may just be that the soul in residence is quite accomplished in those areas. Often the message, though, is that we are all ultimately capable of such things.

BTW, Bob Zelman, whom you introduced me to, is a healer who also works with clearing planetary energies, although probably not on the same scale as Mother Meera. Many, many people, both physical and nonphysical, are working on this today.

I believe that anyone doing good, necessary work aligned with truth can receive nonphysical energetic assistance. Some of that energy may be called transcendental (from a reunited entity) or infinite (from a reunited cadre). Basically, we're given as much (and the kind of) energy as we can effectively handle. There are many powerful people, such as Mother Meera, who can channel a lot of higher energies.

Love,
Shepherd

Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 04:41:05 +0900 (JST)
Subject: Re: 'Mother Meera and Sai Baba' in clear text (1997-51/378)


From: ShepherdH

A client of mine was the assistant to Muktananda in India for several
years, and heard all the guru gossip. Evidently, many gurus disapproved
of Sai Baba because they felt that he did the "show off" phenomenal stuff
at the expense of what it's really about. A friend of hers, a young man,
went to see Sai Baba, and the man told her that Sai Baba had come on to
him and masturbated him. Other gurus felt that Sai Baba was taking energy
from young men's semen to "fuel" his phenomenal accomplishments.


I was making a bad taste remark, but let me just say that that offers is a lot of fuel for thought.
I am not a Sai Baba follower, I have been to one of their centers in Tokyo once
and licked their powder. I don't like the idea that it may have been semenized. )) What is the essential difference between that Sai Baba story and drawing energy from young girls sexually or from emotionally shattered followers turned servants? I don't mean to be an advocate for Sai Baba or Virgin Mary or any spiritual authority. I just mean to point out that a lot of stories, whether true or not, become public whenever one follower or a group of followers decides to break away. I have a copy of a letter of this nature that many of you may have read, from a group that left Siddha Yoga (Muktananda, that you mention, then Gurumayi). I can send its full text in private e-mail to anyone who is interested.

Jose Caldeira



Date: Sat, 27 Dec 1997 12:07:29 -0800
Subject: 'Re: Sai Baba' in clear text (1997-51/385)

José wrote:



What is the essential difference between that Sai Baba story and drawing
energy from young girls sexually or from emotionally shattered followers
turned servants?


There is no difference. Since the 1960s, humanity's psychological sophistication has been growing by leaps and bounds. I'm sure we still have a long way to go, but what was once unquestioned, or seen as being perfectly okay or the right and proper way is now understood as being a violation. Those spiritual traditions that do not integrate or even discourage psychological awareness (as many do) remain stuck in inappropriate behaviors, although in most cases no harm is meant.

The guru tradition (with the absolute power of an authority figure) stems from baby soul times when it was probably the fast track to growth, and still may be when we're in our own spiritual childhood. When I was 16, I became involved with Emissaries of Divine Light (not to be confused with Divine Light Mission), a fine but somewhat cultish spiritual organization in which we looked on the leader as being virtually infallible. EDL had a hierarchal system of leadership, and members were expected to follow their "focalizer" without much questioning. That whole system has fallen apart now, but at the time, it was what I needed. I had little self-discipline and no means of accessing my own power and inner guidance. It is said that you have to learn how to follow before you can lead. However, after I learned the lessons of that phase, EDL no longer enriched me spiritually (I was euphoric at first to have discovered this "family"). I stayed too long out of loyalty, which often happens in the guru system.

I was not harmed or scarred from my EDL experience, although many members feel now that they were. It gave me an excellent grounding in basic spiritual principles that I still value, but it also kept me stuck in some limited beliefs that I only sprang free from when I started working with a remarkable psychotherapist who was also psychic.

Best,
Shepherd
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In a message dated 12/22/97 4:36:34 AM, Shepherdh wrote:

In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one. &gt;&gt;

Um, she says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Many Europeans feel she has cleaned up Germany, much to their suprise. And to mine. We were only in the south, but it felt sparkling, fresh, and luminous energetically. I was prepared to cringe esp. since I usually want to run from the heavy beams of German restaurants!

Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals.

Joya



Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:30:20 EST
Subject: Mother Meera and Sai Baba

Dear Joya,

Mother Meera says she works with the planet bringing in
this new energy. that's her #1 job. Shepherd, I am curious
where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most
expanded of the transcendentals.


A client of mine was the assistant to Muktananda in India for several years, and heard all the guru gossip. Evidently, many gurus disapproved of Sai Baba because they felt that he did the "show off" phenomenal stuff at the expense of what it's really about. A friend of hers, a young man, went to see Sai Baba, and the man told her that Sai Baba had come on to him and masturbated him. Other gurus felt that Sai Baba was taking energy from young men's semen to "fuel" his phenomenal accomplishments.

I know that he has beautiful messages, and I sense that he does a lot of good, but spiritual expertise does not guarantee that someone has done the necessary mental/emotional work to get it together on those levels. In fact, many spiritual paths neglect or even discourage doing that work, although new age spirituality is joining the mental/emotional with the spiritual. It appears that Sai Baba was taking advantage of his power over those who were seeking to get some of his needs met in a way that wasn't completely clean and clear.

OTOH (On the other hand), evidently even Gandhi had his ethical lapses--we are all human, after all--although they likely took place before the transcendental soul entered. There are people all over the world--especially in India, which has such a rich spiritual tradition--who are doing extraordinary things spiritually. I recently read "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Paramhansa Yoganana, and it is full of remarkable accounts of gurus, etc. who performed "miracles" similar to what Jesus did, and other things as well. "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" also documents these things. Occult masters, as they are called in Yarbro, by definition, have transcended the limitations of ordinary human consciousness and can do things like that. That alone does not signify the entrance of a transcendental or infinite soul; it may just be that the soul in residence is quite accomplished in those areas. Often the message, though, is that we are all ultimately capable of such things.

BTW, Bob Zelman, whom you introduced me to, is a healer who also works with clearing planetary energies, although probably not on the same scale as Mother Meera. Many, many people, both physical and nonphysical, are working on this today.

I believe that anyone doing good, necessary work aligned with truth can receive nonphysical energetic assistance. Some of that energy may be called transcendental (from a reunited entity) or infinite (from a reunited cadre). Basically, we're given as much (and the kind of) energy as we can effectively handle. There are many powerful people, such as Mother Meera, who can channel a lot of higher energies.

Love,
Shepherd
There is no difference. Since the 1960s, humanity's psychological sophistication has been growing by leaps and bounds. I'm sure we still have a long way to go, but what was once unquestioned, or seen as being perfectly okay or the right and proper way is now understood as being a violation. Those spiritual traditions that do not integrate or even discourage psychological awareness (as many do) remain stuck in inappropriate behaviors, although in most cases no harm is meant.

The guru tradition (with the absolute power of an authority figure) stems from baby soul times when it was probably the fast track to growth, and still may be when we're in our own spiritual childhood. When I was 16, I became involved with Emissaries of Divine Light (not to be confused with Divine Light Mission), a fine but somewhat cultish spiritual organization in which we looked on the leader as being virtually infallible. EDL had a hierarchal system of leadership, and members were expected to follow their "focalizer" without much questioning. That whole system has fallen apart now, but at the time, it was what I needed. I had little self-discipline and no means of accessing my own power and inner guidance. It is said that you have to learn how to follow before you can lead. However, after I learned the lessons of that phase, EDL no longer enriched me spiritually (I was euphoric at first to have discovered this "family"). I stayed too long out of loyalty, which often happens in the guru system.

I was not harmed or scarred from my EDL experience, although many members feel now that they were. It gave me an excellent grounding in basic spiritual principles that I still value, but it also kept me stuck in some limited beliefs that I only sprang free from when I started working with a remarkable psychotherapist who was also psychic.

Best,
Shepherd

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 1997 10:53:39 EST
Subject: Re: Infinite

In a message dated 12/22/97 4:36:34 AM, Shepherdh wrote:



In Yarbro, the "infinite soul" brings massive planetary spiritual upheaval and transformation. Mother Meera sounds like she works more one-on-one. &gt;&gt;


Um, she says she works with the planet bringing in this new energy. that's her #1 job. Many Europeans feel she has cleaned up Germany, much to their suprise. And to mine. We were only in the south, but it felt sparkling, fresh, and luminous energetically. I was prepared to cringe esp. since I usually want to run from the heavy beams of German restaurants!

Shepherd, I am curious where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most expanded of the transcendentals.

Joya



Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 19:30:20 EST
Subject: Mother Meera and Sai Baba

Dear Joya,



Mother Meera says she works with the planet bringing in
this new energy. that's her #1 job. Shepherd, I am curious
where you would put Sai Baba whom I see as the most
expanded of the transcendentals.


(On the other hand), evidently even Gandhi had his ethical lapses--we are all human, after all--although they likely took place before the transcendental soul entered. There are people all over the world--especially in India, which has such a rich spiritual tradition--who are doing extraordinary things spiritually. I recently read "Autobiography of a Yogi," by Paramhansa Yoganana, and it is full of remarkable accounts of gurus, etc. who performed "miracles" similar to what Jesus did, and other things as well. "Life and Teachings of the Masters of the Far East" also documents these things. Occult masters, as they are called in Yarbro, by definition, have transcended the limitations of ordinary human consciousness and can do things like that. That alone does not signify the entrance of a transcendental or infinite soul; it may just be that the soul in residence is quite accomplished in those areas. Often the message, though, is that we are all ultimately capable of such things.

BTW, Bob Zelman, whom you introduced me to, is a healer who also works with clearing planetary energies, although probably not on the same scale as Mother Meera. Many, many people, both physical and nonphysical, are working on this today.

I believe that anyone doing good, necessary work aligned with truth can receive nonphysical energetic assistance. Some of that energy may be called transcendental (from a reunited entity) or infinite (from a reunited cadre). Basically, we're given as much (and the kind of) energy as we can effectively handle. There are many powerful people, such as Mother Meera, who can channel a lot of higher energies.

Love,
Shepherd

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HERE ARE SOME OLD EXCERPTS FROM TRANSCRIPTS OVER THE YEARS, courtesy of Lisa C's indexing of my work with Michael:
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INFINITE SOUL INDEXING

[08/19/99]
MICHAEL: We do not see full manifestation of the Infinite Soul anywhere on the planet currently, though there are 2 fragments that are “ready,” and 3 more will follow when the first two have begun. At least 5 manifestations will most likely appear, according to what we have heard. These manifestations will include a young child ,apparently. The United States will most likely take the Teachings of either the child (a Priest son of a single parent female Server) or the Teachings of a female Sage.

QUESTION: So the Infinite Soul intends to manifest in more than one individual at the same time? Has this been done before?

MICHAEL:
We believe Buddha and Christ overlapped in impact, though not so closely in manifestation. This proximity of impact is part of why you have “east” and “west.” We doubt the latest manifestations will be so easily used to segregate the world.

QUESTION: Is the Infinite Soul manifesting in 5 individuals due to the population or is this tied more to the lessons to bring?

MICHAEL: Both.

[02/03/00]
MICHAEL: Most of you have been within one level [of the 7 levels] of your current Soul Age since the last manifestation of the Infinite Soul. For the thousand years approximately before the manifestation, those of you present here moved only one or two soul levels during that time. Many of you have been incarnating for nearly 6 million years…

[02/17/00]
MICHAEL: Since the beginning of this year, we have seen a tremendous drop in activity around preparations for a manifestation. The Infinite Soul will only manifest in a parallel or time frame when Sentience is lacking direction and seeks assistance. A “surprising” factor in the last Nexus is in the detailed removal of reality options that were leading toward more disintegration. This has created a lull in assessment, a pause, to see what humans will create over the next few years. It appears your species seeks more integration “on your own” than you might have anticipated. The anticipation of having a manifestation may be exciting, but the indication that your species and the planet are transiting in Soul Age with little incident is equally exhilarating to the Essence. This can be likened to a teenager whose “father” threatens to pull over to make a point, but then the teenager making his own efforts to grow and communicate, resulting in no need for intervention. So our update, as far as we can see at this time, is that you are in a holding pattern. We will comment as this unfolds.

[12/28/00]
QUESTION: You told us, long ago, that many of the fragments presently incarnate on this plane were here to witness the Infinite Soul. Now it seems, the IS in not coming in the manner expected. Will all of these millions of incarnates cycle off (or die) and “depopulate” the planet as planned, or have the plans changed?

MICHAEL:
During a period of time wherein the Infinite Soul may manifest, it is not done “lightly.” Though last year appeared to indicate a shift in changes as to whether the Infinite Soul may manifest at all, your coming year may prove to require a continuation as “planned.” In your Time perspective and sense of change, these fluctuations may appear to be more whimsical, but they are not. There are parallels where the manifestation has already occurred.
There are some parallels where it will not. The probability of a manifestation in "this" parallel, as it stands tonight, is approximately 44% within 10 years and 67% within 30. As for the “depopulation,” we looked at probabilities approximately 10 years ago for what is now your present and saw a great reduction “by now,” but this has not occurred and does not appear to be on the horizon. This is a strong indication that Essences are still anticipating an exchange while Physical with the Infinite Soul.

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man susan...do ppl really read all that?

can't you just give the reader's digest version??
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michael is indepth ...
a lot of people, have a lot of different ideas

there really are NOT a lot of short cuts

there are some people here

that likely do want to 'reasearch it'

i've tried to compile 25 years of stuff
in about 4 posts ???

and, yes, NOW, i'll try to edit it , if i can
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In late November, 2009, I took part of my paid-for session to ask the following:
Question by: Geraldine B

Because of the upcoming themed BlogTalkRadio session on Transcendental and Infinite Souls,

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/truthloveenergy
(happening early 2010) through this link

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/truthlo...infinite-souls

I'd like some information about prehistorical
Transcendental and Infinite Souls,
aka TS & IS.

For example, Ra is listed as an IS
and was a long term "sun god" for Egypt
-- but what did he actually do that made him
a legendary/mythological figure of reknown?

In terms of prehistorical Infinite Souls and Transcendental Souls,
there are only mythologies from which to draw references,
as those who actually acted as Manifestations were only "recorded"
in tales and stories for thousands and thousands of years.

The reference to "Ra" would be one of those, having actually manifested approximately 6000 BCE, about 3000 years previous to the culmination of the cults who began to implement formal worship and recording. The original manifestation was focused on the transformation of fear regarding nature and the sky, in particular the Sun, into a means of abundance and resource.

Even this reference as a mythological god is one of many "incarnations" of how this Manifestation actually occurred. The stories and myths became embellished over history as a means to tell the story of those telling the story, not of the history, itself.

Once that flexible template is in place, any Entity or Cadre can "play" the role for any group or individual as a means to teach, giving rise to a multitude of variations.

Are you saying that these TS & IS manifestations aren't part of the Akashic Records?

No, we are not.

We are saying that it is complicated to give you a response with any tangible reference
beyond what you have as a reference.

For instance, we can tell you that in 4,000,000 BCE Ti'AT manifested the Infinite Sou
l as a means to bring the Logos regarding nomadal navigation,
but the only reference to this in your perspective might be a few of the "alien" etchings
of later cultures.

What we can do is share with you how many, when, and why.
And upon elaboration, possibly tie them to tangible references in your recorded history.
fair enough -- I'm mentally dealing with the length of time culture and incarnational cycles
have been part of earth

in the future -- I'll research, stabilize questions and ask more

The fragment known as Ti'AT was not a fictional example, by the way.
I'm not familiar with Ti`AT
We know.no one is, I suppose
That was the first Manifestation.
and which peoples did it appear to?

The Lemurian lighter bodies or humans?

We have been answering your questions regarding the Manifestations
within the context of the human species.

ok -- and the Lemurians and the silicone-based peoples would have had their own?

Yes, that is correct.

The list of human Infinite Soul Manifestations would be:

With approximate time frames -

Ti'AT (female - 4,000,000 BCE),

Khro'Te (male child - 2,000,000 BCE),

Ker (female - 1,000,000 BCE),

Sonad, Kin, Serep (brothers - 700,000 BCE),

Tinet, TenTen, Tia (sisters - 500,000 BCE),

Shia (female - 150,000 BCE),

Kendre (female - 75,000 BCE),

"Ra" (male - 6,000 BCE),

"Krishna" (6,000 BCE)

"Lilith" (female - 4,000 BCE),

Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE), [corrected from 400 BCE]

"Buddha" (male - 500 BCE),

"Christ" (male - 5 BCE).

We think we have covered them.
This was not an easy task for our channel.
Many of the names are phonetic and rather insignificant in terms of references for you.

So, Lilith was an IS, not a TS?
through Michael Toth, she was given as a TS at about 10,000 BCE

CORRECTION: Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE)
ok -- that makes more sense than two IS in the same year
although that would make Lilith and him simultaneous

In regard to "Lilith," this would also be correct.

A Transcendental Soul manifested in a way
that then became a thread that the Infinite Soul used for Manifestation.

Yes, there are often more than one Manifestation.
and which IS used it?

In what way do you mean "which IS used it?"

We know of only One that manifests as Many.
which name and time frame is what I meant
In regard to "Lilith?"

yes -- since a TS precedes the manifestation of an IS

We are unclear as to what you are asking, but we will try to respond with clarification:

The mythology of "Lilith" includes two past peaks,
one in which a Transcendental Soul manifested,
and one in which the Infinite Soul manifested.
I'm likely unclear myself . . .
what I'm trying to do today is pin down a series of events that have been mysterious

The more recent Manifestation is the more relevant
of what has come to be the myth of "Lilith."

Her name and lore was really trashed after that manifestation

Most Manifestations do not take long to be "trashed."

We refer to the Manifestation through Christ as a most-recent example.
well, that bIn late November, 2009, I took part of my paid-for session to ask the following:
Question by: Geraldine B

Because of the upcoming themed BlogTalkRadio session on Transcendental and Infinite Souls,

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/truthloveenergy (happening early 2010)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/truthlo...infinite-souls

I'd like some information about prehistorical TS & IS.
For example, Ra is listed as an IS and was a long term "sun god" for Egypt
-- but what did he actually do that made him a legendary/mythological figure of reknown?

In terms of prehistorical Infinite Souls and Transcendental Souls,
there are only mythologies from which to draw references,
as those who actually acted as Manifestations were only "recorded"
in tales and stories for thousands and thousands of years.

The reference to "Ra" would be one of those, having actually manifested approximately 6000 BCE, about 3000 years previous to the culmination of the cults who began to implement formal worship and recording. The original manifestation was focused on the transformation of fear regarding nature and the sky, in particular the Sun, into a means of abundance and resource.

Even this reference as a mythological god is one of many "incarnations" of how this Manifestation actually occurred. The stories and myths became embellished over history as a means to tell the story of those telling the story, not of the history, itself.

Once that flexible template is in place, any Entity or Cadre can "play" the role for any group or individual as a means to teach, giving rise to a multitude of variations.

Are you saying that these TS & IS manifestations aren't part of the Akashic Records?

No, we are not.

We are saying that it is complicated to give you a response with any tangible reference
beyond what you have as a reference.

For instance, we can tell you that in 4,000,000 BCE Ti'AT manifested the Infinite Sou
l as a means to bring the Logos regarding nomadal navigation,
but the only reference to this in your perspective might be a few of the "alien" etchings
of later cultures.

What we can do is share with you how many, when, and why.
And upon elaboration, possibly tie them to tangible references in your recorded history.
fair enough -- I'm mentally dealing with the length of time culture and incarnational cycles
have been part of earth

in the future -- I'll research, stabilize questions and ask more

The fragment known as Ti'AT was not a fictional example, by the way.
I'm not familiar with Ti`AT
We know.no one is, I suppose
That was the first Manifestation.
and which peoples did it appear to?

The Lemurian lighter bodies or humans?

We have been answering your questions regarding the Manifestations
within the context of the human species.

ok -- and the Lemurians and the silicone-based peoples would have had their own?

Yes, that is correct.

The list of human Infinite Soul Manifestations would be:

With approximate time frames -

Ti'AT (female - 4,000,000 BCE),

Khro'Te (male child - 2,000,000 BCE),

Ker (female - 1,000,000 BCE),

Sonad, Kin, Serep (brothers - 700,000 BCE),

Tinet, TenTen, Tia (sisters - 500,000 BCE),

Shia (female - 150,000 BCE),

Kendre (female - 75,000 BCE),

"Ra" (male - 6,000 BCE),

"Krishna" (6,000 BCE)

"Lilith" (female - 4,000 BCE),

Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE), [corrected from 400 BCE]

"Buddha" (male - 500 BCE),

"Christ" (male - 5 BCE).

We think we have covered them.
This was not an easy task for our channel.
Many of the names are phonetic and rather insignificant in terms of references for you.

So, Lilith was an IS, not a TS?
through Michael Toth, she was given as a TS at about 10,000 BCE

CORRECTION: Lao Tzu (male - 4,000 BCE)
ok -- that makes more sense than two IS in the same year
although that would make Lilith and him simultaneous

In regard to "Lilith," this would also be correct.

A Transcendental Soul manifested in a way
that then became a thread that the Infinite Soul used for Manifestation.

Yes, there are often more than one Manifestation.
and which IS used it?

In what way do you mean "which IS used it?"

We know of only One that manifests as Many.
which name and time frame is what I meant
In regard to "Lilith?"

yes -- since a TS precedes the manifestation of an IS

We are unclear as to what you are asking, but we will try to respond with clarification:

The mythology of "Lilith" includes two past peaks,
one in which a Transcendental Soul manifested,
and one in which the Infinite Soul manifested.
I'm likely unclear myself . . .
what I'm trying to do today is pin down a series of events that have been mysterious

The more recent Manifestation is the more relevant
of what has come to be the myth of "Lilith."

Her name and lore was really trashed after that manifestation

Most Manifestations do not take long to be "trashed."

We refer to the Manifestation through Christ as a most-recent example.
well, that became a religion at least . . .
rather than becoming a demon

There is much truth in the cliche that the gods of the past religion
becomes the devil of the new.

That is often the case, particularly when it involves Baby Souls.

Responses by: Troy of www.truthloveenergy.ning.com
Channel of The Michaels

http://truthloveenergy.ning.com/foru...com_forumecame

NOTE; this is posted in its entirety - since, it is a closed forum

NOTE; troy channels professional michael teachings charts
at $20 link off www.truthloveenergy.ning.com

thank you - we highly recommend his work !!!
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Oh, Okay, if I understand correctly then the term "monads" is equivalent to what I call fixed polarities or dualities, and in my system, Clearing unfixes them so that one can have full freedom of expression between both opposing ends. I have spent a good year doing that.

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monads we play out:

*Classic External (relationship) Monads

Teacher/Student;

Parent/Child;

Imprinter/Imprinted; Siblings (brother/brother, brother/sister, sister/sister);

Husband/Wife;

Leader/Follower;

Attacker/Victim;

Healer/Healed;

Rescuer/Rescued;

Integrator/Eccentric;

Hopelessly Loving/Hopelessly Loved;

Passionate/Repressed;

Dependent/Independent;

Pivotal Facilitator/Facilitated;

Slovenly/Meticulous;

Passive/Aggressive;

Adept/Apprentice;

Artist/Patron;

Deserter/Abandoned;

Profligate/Tempered;

Innocent/Sophisticate;

Promiscuous/Impotent;

Master/Slave;

Player/Pawn;

Defender/Defended;

Hidden/Disclosed;

Slander/Slandered;

Jailer/Prisoner;

Tandem Monad;

Love Monad

per Troy, www.truthloveenergy.ning.com

MaMaS~KitSi-Nu~Susan says:

Then, the heart_link monad

At that point,
the two souls, play out the heart Link,
and, they will do so,
knowing, full well,
that they have lived through,
each/and, every monad above,
playing out, both sides, of the equations,
and, they will have done,
everyone of them,
each to the other
as, it is necessary,
to play out,
each and every side, of all monads,
in order, to create,
an equation,
that, can hold the balance
that, can hold the substance
that is necessary
that is required
to embark, on a heart_link.

each and, every 30 monads
(that are mentioned above)
you will excute/you will play out
all 30 Classic External (relationship) Monads
prior to the entering of The Pivot of a Heart_Link

You will have done;
everything,
each to each other
absolutely; everyone of them;
you will have played out,
both sides of the equations
to achieve, the status,
that is necessary to enter into
a heart_link monad,
for it is,
the 'grand' accumulation,
of all, that has existed,
between time, and, between space,
between 2, or more souls,
that interact, in each of the monads,

The heart_link,
it is seen,
as, the "grand finale", so-to-speak.

it is, where the 'sum total'
of all the exchanges
of all the lessons,
that were learned,
come full circle, into a balanced round,
so, the eXchange of two souls,
can successfully work towards,
the completion of a 'heart_link',
this is a monad,
that is entered into,
pre-natally, and/or,
it can be entered into,
with NO pre-natal agreement,
at the 'old soul' level...

the choice to enter into one,
brings the totality of all that was,
into the pivot of the now,
of all, that is,
balanced, and, completed between two fragments(souls)
and, brings it all back together again
to eXchange
one, to the other
with a balance of
true force, and, true power
where both fragments (souls)
enter into it,
on equal footing,
it is the singular,
most forceful,
and, most powerful monads
that two souls,
will ever play out together
it is where,
fullness, and, richness
come to meet,
richness, and, fullness
and, truly much comes to gather more

Susan / Michael Entity
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yes, that would be called 'shovelling the 5th level' stuff !!!

(it isn't necessary to copy-postings-i am sure, people can read up
and, through to find stuff ) ???

but, yes, those are the 30 standard monads/there are a few others too

love/susan

(who will attempt to condense the stuff on iS/and, TM - although it does bring about
much debate, in the minds of many)

maybe, if we can keep michael /and soul stuff here

and, maybe, if we can keep earth history/and, cycles-on that other thread

it will help many of us
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yes, that would be called 'shovelling the 5th level' stuff !!!

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Yup, that's pretty right on, and I had no prior knowledge of Michael Teachings before I started my work, and neither did another Old Soul I am working with on the same material. It's so nice to now why I am not normal (giggle).

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somewhere on this thread, is new info on "m"-gnosis5
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i've tried to compile 25 years of stuff
in about 4 posts ???
are you saying it took someone 25 years to come up with this soul classification thing?
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it was developed over a number of years, and, continues to evole

the orig. book came out 25-30 years ago

some of the notes/on the TS/or iS -
came in; over a 25 year period

since you carry the same casting/and, role
throughout a grand cycle

it is valuable info to know
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it takes 4.5 billion years, to evolve a planet

and, look were we are !!!
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it was developed over a number of years, and, continues to evole

the orig. book came out 25-30 years ago

some of the notes/on the TS/or iS -
came in; over a 25 year period

since you carry the same casting/and, role
throughout a grand cycle

it is valuable info to know
25 years... people really do make this stuff way too complicated. the guy who wrote it should have spent more time with his children...imo
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it was a group of people who wrote it

(and, it didn't take them 25 years to write it)

people have been discussing it, for over 25 years

"messages by michael"

by the famous writer yarbro
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it was a group of people who wrote it

(and, it didn't take them 25 years to write it)

people have been discussing it, for over 25 years
ok thanks...i stand corrected.

those ppl who discussed it could have spent more time with their children
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