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Old 10-28-2008, 03:55 AM   #51
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I am hoping you would reply and tell me how the sun inside the earth doesn't melt the inner core? Sorry for being ignorant.
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Regrettfully, I do not know your answer, and I am not an expert on hollow earth. I am still learning.

I have several recommended sites:
This 10 part YouTube site about author Rodney Cluff gives some interesting information:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIRdDA_EDfM

Video with pictures I haven't found the source to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9VoL...eature=related

An article with UFODigest by Peter Farley where he says "The inside of Earth is of a higher vibration and all who live there are pulled into the level of vibration equivalent to 4th and 5th dimensional existence."
http://www.ufodigest.com/hollowearth.html
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Old 10-28-2008, 06:57 AM   #52
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Let's Keep It Simple Sweeties . . .
Live lovingly & honorably
each & every day,
and all this blather will not matter.
Hey Purplesage,
Love the calm simplicity of your post, sweet and perfect.

The point here I think with ALL information gathering, assimilation and dissecting is the we must all learn/try not to place too much emotional reaction into our investigations.

Try to remember life is a BIG adventure, enjoy the game and don't get so emotionally involved, ENJOY being 'Spiritual Detectives' but PLAY in the spirit of LIFE itself, then it can all be FUN and just another part of your ENDLESS COSMIC JOURNEY.

C'mon Avalonians, lighten up and stay Light and Bright and SHINE together!

Love...ONLY Love...ALWAYS Love!

PEACE OUT ...and I Smile
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Old 10-28-2008, 01:49 PM   #53
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My 2 cents

There is nothing in the interviews that is new to many of us who have been searching for the Truth.

There is nothing in the interviews that cannot be taken from other sites and used as his own information.

What I know of the darkside:

They are tricksters and liars.

They are not of love nor are they doing this because of their love for humanity

They love to distract people of light

Remember The path is narrow, waste NO time!

I align with the master teacher Yeshua when he said,

"GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN"
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Old 10-28-2008, 04:00 PM   #54
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I think that there are several things about Hidden_Hand's information that indicate that it is hoaxed. Hidden_Hand is obviously familiar with the Ra material, from which he plagiarizes much of his content and upon which he builds -- it is very surprising that he has never heard of the Cassiopaean material, since it generally fits the Ra material hand in glove and is in general more damning of the power elites than the Ra material ever was, and one would expect someone of Hidden_Hand's purported caliber to at least be familiar with this material.

More to the point, I have noted the following inconsistencies with the Ra material just off the top of my head, and there are probably more:

1. Hidden_Hand says that 4th Density is the highest density at which one can maintain an STS polarity, but the Ra material repeatedly describes Carla Rueckert as under the attack of a 5th density STS being in the latter part of the series

2. Hidden-Hand says that the Lucifer social-memory complex originates from Venus, but in the Ra material, it is said that that is Ra's origin. Can both social-memory complexes originate from the same place? Even if that is possible, it is strange that Hidden_Hand didn't clarify since he claims that Lucifer and Ra are 'good friends'.

3. Hidden_Hand says of the Orion group, "They exist within their Group Soul Complex, mostly as a group of discarnate entities, within the Astral Planes of the planets they visit." The Ra material descriptions of the Orion group are at odds with this, indicating that it consists of a majority of 4th density STS in bodily form (including the need to use ships), and a minority of 5th density STS (which Hidden-Hand has claimed does not exist, see 1. above).

4. Hidden_Hand's description of Yahweh as the Earth-logos is completely at odds with both the Ra and the Cassiopaean material, both of which describe Yahweh as a foreign, alien entity (in the Ra material, Yahweh refers to a group of beings -- I would have to double check about that in the Cass material) who interacts with humanity at a mid-point in its history. Yahweh has not been with humanity from the beginning, certainly not in the sense of being the Earth-logos.

These are just some of the more egregious discrepancies. I think that Hidden-Hand's material resonates with some people because there are some core truths mixed in (this is all a game, we are actors in a great drama, etc), but his little speech at the end about how he has grown fond of the posters on ATS, while meant to be endearing, ends up making me embarrassed for him by the transparency of this common emotional ploy. All in all, I think this is a hoax from beginning to end, and was probably not done by anyone of real significance in an insider sense. I am of course interested in everyone else's opinion.
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Old 10-28-2008, 04:22 PM   #55
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Old 10-28-2008, 04:32 PM   #56
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I couldn’t find any mention in H_H's messages about “benevolent beings working on our behalf living in the earth”.
He does say the earth is hollow, and his bloodline family does not live on the surface.

If the earth is hollow, it appears there would be a lot of room in there.

Here’s a site which talks about Colonel Billie Faye Woodard, of the United States Air Force and his experiences with the inner earth. I haven’t been able to find the true source of the first photo of the opening at Antarctica, but what I wanted you to be able to see was the artists diagrams of what the inner earth might be like.
http://itpro.no/art/12829.html
Thanks for that link!

Near the end of his convo this is what was asked and said:

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“You claim your family was put here to be the negative influence of the world. Is there a family it is asserting a positive influence on us as well? Is it up to us (humanity) to be that positive force?”

An interesting question. There is such a family (or group more accurately), but you cannot see them, and neither are you aware of their existence. They help the planet from a secret "Inner" location, by the Quality of the Energy work they engage in and project outward to you, from the Source.
Yes, it is up to you to Be the Changes you wish to see, in yourself, and in the World.
Rereading it "inner" could mean different things, though. Any thoughts on that?
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:09 PM   #57
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Is there any such elite families from antiquity that are controlling how everything occurs in the world?
They may put their two cents in, not much more.

Is there any event called the Great Harvest for Souls ?

Everyday, thousands of souls are harvested off this rock. Souls are always in season.


Is there any kind of Soul Polarity happening - IE Negitive Polarity ( service to self) / Positivie Polarity ( service to others)

Are we being Push towards a Negitive Polarity here?!

On an individual scale in some countries. Other countries souls are herded around.


Is there going to be a new "Union of nations" coming next year ?

Nothing significant or globally. No new world order, no anti Christ situations.

And "Creation is based upon the 'Three Primary Distortions of The Infinite One'."Free Will, Love, Light - is this how the system works?

Way more complex than that


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I thru some questions at Sleeper .. and theres the responces regard stuff on the first post..
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Old 10-28-2008, 07:00 PM   #58
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The hidden hand testimony is good for newcomers and or people just beginning their search. There is nothing new in these words for me in particular but it does have its place as it shows the enormous "ego" and obvious "pride" that some live within.

These two traits of "ego" and "pride" are deal breakers as far as "being superior" is concerned.

Anyone with these two millstones around their necks actually show the depth of their own "personal bondage" to themselves and within themselves.

Pride goes before destruction, pride escorts the destroyed.

Ego blinds the triapic eye and defeats the color thereof. To defeat a primal color is to walk in despair,and despair is indeed hopeless.

I am thankful that I have hope.
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Old 10-28-2008, 11:26 PM   #59
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I know this may sound a bit dumb but I am always busy here and cannot always look up information, so I am hoping you would reply and tell me how the sun inside the earth doesn't melt the inner core? Sorry for being ignorant.

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Hey Tuza this may answer your question

http://www.giulianaconforto.it/English/Innersun.htm
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Old 10-28-2008, 11:31 PM   #60
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In the ignorance of the whole truth, each person maintains his own arrogant point of view. If that is your case, try to make the best out of it anyway.
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Old 10-29-2008, 01:13 AM   #61
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If i may give my opinion here, this infomation that Hidden_Hand has revealed is true to my knowledge. I do not know if he has just said what was written on the Ra books. But i know this to be true from a different source.

I think what we all have to realise is that Hidden_Hand has given some snippits of truth, in doing so he has made those not aware of the books of Ra some attention.

Nothing but good can come from this message, and this was the purpose of it.

How will we all fare in the comming test? Do not fear, that which you cannot control. But do not stand, and do nothing!
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Old 10-29-2008, 05:09 AM   #62
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If i may give my opinion here, this infomation that Hidden_Hand has revealed is true to my knowledge. I do not know if he has just said what was written on the Ra books. But i know this to be true from a different source.

Nothing but good can come from this message, and this was the purpose of it.
Hi Ama-Gi -- Are you able/willing to disclose the different source that you have access to that confirms the Hidden_Hand data? I am curious to know -- it may be useful to the community!

Also, how do you reason that nothing but good can come from this message? I don't assume that it is entirely negative, but I am very wary of what I consider a common strategy, where truth is mixed in with non-truth in order to either (a) make the non-truth more credible or otherwise (b) discredit the original truth.

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Old 10-29-2008, 05:48 AM   #63
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Greeting's to all,
I agree with those who have questioned the validity of this posted material. While, "The Hidden Hand" (from the ATS site), radiants many long accepted truths, with its very well conceived arguments. IT, also radiates false flags of deception; Especially, too those human beings who are just becomnig! Consider -this post as an exercise in discernment. If, it pushes you to learn more, it is a positive lesson. BUT, if it rings too well with logic- and has a chance in leaning your opinion, that "THEY" (the service to selves), are just "OUR" benevolent counters- shame on you!! It is quite obvious, this individual is arrogant, and fishing for sympathetic understanding; too a means in easing his conscious decision- for the path he choose. Especially from those of you, who might be overwhelmed by "OUR" (service to others) future prospects, for if, we fail to wake-up and act quickly -indeed- there will be a negative harvest! Note, it is not called the "Lucifer Soul Group" - for nothing.
My best to all my fellow like minded ones, giovonni

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Old 10-29-2008, 05:59 AM   #64
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I wasn't satisfied with Hidden_Hands explanation for a "Negative Harvest".

Would someone care to elaborate further on this concept?

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Old 10-29-2008, 03:33 PM   #65
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It means, that thes collect the profit of the seed of evil they but in the world. The royalty of the Tyranny never involve them self in evil actions, they work a s seducers and not a destroyers. The destruction is don by the seduced ones them self, in a act of selfdistraction. For every war, people volunteer as solders to kill the "enemy out side there", not understanding that the enemy is there one egoism bigotry hypocritical greed and arrogance. The royalty of evil only over you this possibilities and provoke the conflicts, and this is the seed of evil and the human race is the ground where this seed can only grow according to the nature and quality of the ground. If the human race would free them self from egoism and selfaddiction, this seed would die and not grow.

It is even the reason too for the occult con-tracts, wen they but in the open what they plane to do. If you do Nothing against it, or better do something constructive as a harmonic symbiotic replace for it, you agree in the actions to come, and you open the door for your self sacrifiction.

In this way the royalty is never enfolded them self in the action of evil, otherwise they would be involved in the negative effects them self. They only offer you a possibility, like a drug dealer only offer you the drug and it's op to you to take it and sacrifice your self in a chemical slavery, for a little chemical good feeling illusion. If you wake op in your misery, desperately searching for the next shoot, you do everything to pay the dealer for the next trip, or only silence the pain witch rise up as a symmetric counter reaction of the chemical illusion. The drug dealer get rich, but you choose your self to take the drug and destroy your self for a chemical lie. And you know it before, you saw the consequences it by many other people.

So to "Negative Harvest" means to gain in the material and occult energy from the seed of evil, the seducers plant in to the human race. All the drugs of self addictions will let the people destroy them self and each other for the benefit of the luciferians and there higher demons.

In this way they gain the energy from there seduces victims, they set free by destroying each other and them self, like a drug dealer whit his chemical slavery. And they can keep them self away from the problems, like the boss in the drug business can bay his kingdom fare away from the ghettos and the gang wars, where his money come from. Hi gain and build his luxury paradise, and the others act as demons in there own hell to feed him. They can so parasite the life energy to lift them self up over there victims and there ghettos, and move there parasitic tyranny kingdom in the next cycle, like a drug dealer his kingdom in the next generation.

This will fail in the moment, wen the human race in a critical mass is not seducible anymore, falling in one of the countless traps and drugs of egoism. In this moment the kingdom of the drug dealers collapse, and all the negativity wash them away they create them self. The drug dealer will sit for the rest of his life in prison because of mass murdering and enslaving and his empire ends, and the luciferian tyrants can no lift up them self in the next cycle and fall in the matter and there one darkness like there victims before. And our pain will be later there one destiny to complete the experience they and also we ask for, be acting as egoists.

So, they can only "Harvest" what we let grow in as.
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Old 10-29-2008, 03:53 PM   #66
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I basically agree with Truthwillsetyoufree. There was a part in HH's ramblings about others works/writings/channelings were always less than 100% accurate. I think the same standard should be applied to HH.
YOU decide which 10% is deception.
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Old 10-29-2008, 04:04 PM   #67
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I think that there are several things about Hidden_Hand's information that indicate that it is hoaxed. Hidden_Hand is obviously familiar with the Ra material, from which he plagiarizes much of his content and upon which he builds -- it is very surprising that he has never heard of the Cassiopaean material, since it generally fits the Ra material hand in glove and is in general more damning of the power elites than the Ra material ever was, and one would expect someone of Hidden_Hand's purported caliber to at least be familiar with this material.

More to the point, I have noted the following inconsistencies with the Ra material just off the top of my head, and there are probably more:

1. Hidden_Hand says that 4th Density is the highest density at which one can maintain an STS polarity, but the Ra material repeatedly describes Carla Rueckert as under the attack of a 5th density STS being in the latter part of the series

2. Hidden-Hand says that the Lucifer social-memory complex originates from Venus, but in the Ra material, it is said that that is Ra's origin. Can both social-memory complexes originate from the same place? Even if that is possible, it is strange that Hidden_Hand didn't clarify since he claims that Lucifer and Ra are 'good friends'.

3. Hidden_Hand says of the Orion group, "They exist within their Group Soul Complex, mostly as a group of discarnate entities, within the Astral Planes of the planets they visit." The Ra material descriptions of the Orion group are at odds with this, indicating that it consists of a majority of 4th density STS in bodily form (including the need to use ships), and a minority of 5th density STS (which Hidden-Hand has claimed does not exist, see 1. above).

4. Hidden_Hand's description of Yahweh as the Earth-logos is completely at odds with both the Ra and the Cassiopaean material, both of which describe Yahweh as a foreign, alien entity (in the Ra material, Yahweh refers to a group of beings -- I would have to double check about that in the Cass material) who interacts with humanity at a mid-point in its history. Yahweh has not been with humanity from the beginning, certainly not in the sense of being the Earth-logos.

These are just some of the more egregious discrepancies. I think that Hidden-Hand's material resonates with some people because there are some core truths mixed in (this is all a game, we are actors in a great drama, etc), but his little speech at the end about how he has grown fond of the posters on ATS, while meant to be endearing, ends up making me embarrassed for him by the transparency of this common emotional ploy. All in all, I think this is a hoax from beginning to end, and was probably not done by anyone of real significance in an insider sense. I am of course interested in everyone else's opinion.
I keep an open level of discernment with any information, but with this, you also need to take in account the context and ALL of this information that is presented. A very important thing to understand in the material are these three notions from the Hidden hand Material:

1.) The messages of the Sixth Density Soul Group 'Ra' is the most accurate information in your mainstream circulation at this point in time. It is approximately 85-90% accurate, from what I have seen.

2.) Another difficult issue with channeling, is that you can start off recieving a Positive entity, and if you are not very perceptive in your discerment and careful in your protection when identifying an incoming channel, you can get a Negative one that pretends to be positive, but gradually slips in more and more misinformation, having gained your trust. The ones that give you precise dates and times are nearly always ones to avoid. Positive entities will not give a date and time. Negative ones will do, so they can set you up for a fall. Once you're tricked into predicting dates and times, and they don't happen, they've succeeded in putting out the Light of your message, as no one will see any credibility in you.

3.) Hidden Hand's notion throughout the entire piece to NOT believe everything and keep discernment with information as a priority.

I myself have not come across or heard of the Cassiopaean material until the past few weeks in the Avalon forums. I have heard of the Ra material for quite sometime mentioned on and off the internet through many different sources. Reason being, the popularity of the latter is because it resonated more with people as they saw it spoke much more truth [supposedly]. And with that popularity also translate over to what may come to attention to say Hidden Hand, and probably didn't because it didn't resonate as much with his people, if his people even exist. Psychoanalysis is in store to fully understand this writing, not just fact matching, along with most pieces of writing.

And with that notion, according to Hidden Hand, factually and philosophically, THE INFORMATION WILL NOT LINE UP PERFECTLY.

If you look solely within each material, Hidden Hand's and Ra's, and ignoring their relation to any other material (outside factual information), Hidden Hand is more consistent in his facts, well I have discovered several inconsistencies within the work of Ra, as in some of the Ra material contradicts itself. My conclusion is that Hidden Hand is rather accurate in his 85%-90% remark to the material.
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Old 10-29-2008, 06:27 PM   #68
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peterh You are VERY difficult to understand. I'm not sure what your point is? Can you write less and say MORE in a clearer way?

Now, in regards to HH's group involving themselves with negative actions...

I would venture to say that even if someone doesn’t do a negative act directly but merely provokes the act through “seduction”, manipulation, etc, they are still responsible for that negative act. Are you suggesting that they wouldn’t be?


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PeacefulWarrior, appreciate the sharing of this enlightening insight. To the Hidden_Hand or Hidden-Hand; thanks for the knowledge and out-formation. It is truly divine.

Love conquers ALL!
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I have read and re-read H_H's post's. Personally, and as far as i am aware of, the information is factual and can be trusted. It simply resonated so strongly with me, because i have read this before, though in many different forms and guises. The words may have been different but the content was fundamentally the same. The moment H_H mentioned 'The Game' i remembered where i had seen this before.

You can read about the game and it's rules here... http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html

Scroll down until you see..

1. EndGame, Earth and Higher Selfes
2. The Game and The Players
3. Information on some Basic Rules on the Game
4. Multi-Density Experiential Pathways and Earth Incarnation

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I wasn't satisfied with Hidden_Hands explanation for a "Negative Harvest".

Would someone care to elaborate further on this concept?
Hi NowIAm -- I hope that this link will be of use to you regarding negative harvest, as well as the idea of harvest in general:

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=902
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(NOWIAM), I am sorry, like you can see in my signature, my english is bad, i have to literally translate word by word to english. Mach easier i can not explain it, it is a very difficult topic, and full of traps and mines.

Important is to understand, that the tyrants and the most powerful people in the tyranny we have on this planet, are occultists and preachers. There ideology comes out of occult knowledge, and there strategies make use of this knowledge.

I can not see what they believe, this things are kept very secret, but i expect the most believe because they are not involved directly in the materialistic actions, there are free from karma (cause-and-effect, or super symmetry). But what they really do is only to move there cycles of cause-and-effect on a higher larger timeframe. They plane and act in 100 and 1000 and more of years, and there "day and night" cycles, cause and backeffect cycles, take longer time. They can push and expand this cycles larger, if they find victims to let them do this, but they can not break it. Even wen on there perspective they have free them self from karma, it is a lie. The lie is only mach bigger and intelligent then the lies they use to guide the humanity in to there wars and hells. The backeffect is Nothing else then the compliance of the response of questions they and we ask to the reality and to explore this reality, so karma it is not punishment or fix, it is a symmetric system to allow free will and keep him in responsibility until the cycles and so the experiences are completed we ask for, by using our free will in a specific way.
And i expect, some of them know all this.

Important is to understand, more bigger your intellect is, more bigger the power is to generate lies and illusions witch imprison your self. And the most strongest lies are partially true, but incomplete and twisted.

This we call evil, is the destructive effects of parasitism, and the cause for parasitism is egoism. And behind the materialistic parasitism of gaining money property and power, is energetic and higher dimensional parasitism, witch we normally call demonic. But the parasitism works only if they can seduce as to play our roles of self destruction, if we stop to be egoists, there power ends and there empires collapse. So the hard work witch we are not willing to do, is to honestly clean up our egos from egoism. And all real and true spiritual teachers have tray to show as the ways to do this.

Mach more i can not explain whit my poor english. And this complex difficult and even dangerous topics can not be explained whit less text, only whit more. If you want understand something so difficult you have to be studious and investigate time and patience. If you still have questions, pleas explain carefully what you like to know, if i have some understatement to offer i tray to respond. (i search me self for answer of difficult questions, the understatement of "god and evil" is one of the most difficult and sometimes painful one, specially if you search for deep understanding and not only some new-agy beliefs.) a final understanding can only be found on transcendence, and this means to wake up in infinity, obviously not jet the case for all of as here. We still are on the way.
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No need to opologize PeterH

I read your posts with a german accent in my head
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Since I was born my parents went to church and they where told about the end of days, we are all going to die, the choosen ones will go to heaven. 50 years have come and gone, most of the people talking about the end of days in that church are already gone from this planet. For 1000's of years people have been prophesicing about the end of days, I hate to be the one to rain on your parade, my memory is very good. I know how my family lived thinking
that the world will soon come to an end. My conclusion is we have been program, brainwash, with the doom and gloom. Yet it is happening day in and day out, so why are we waitting for something that has been happening for thousands of years. War and Havoc has been a part of the history of this world before this planet was created. This is why I say to you , time to wake up , deprogram your brainwash virus infected hard disk , better known as your brain. We have all the tools to change this history of doom and gloom.
Call your awakening what ever you want to call it but for God's sake wake up.
Is easy to manipulate masses of people on the doom and gloom, fear is a very powerful weapon, even if you die today do you really think that you are dead and gone ? If a nuclear bomb exploded in Australia, another in Europe, another in China, another in america, who's going predict whose going to die and whose going to live. My take why worry, live and be happy, you can be part of the living or join the doomers who preach about dying and death.
Death will come soon enough no need to go looking for it , it will find you in due time, in the meantime love, enjoy your life, help others in any way you can.Join the living my friends

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Old 10-30-2008, 04:40 AM   #75
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I keep an open level of discernment with any information, but with this, you also need to take in account the context and ALL of this information that is presented. A very important thing to understand in the material are these three notions from the Hidden hand Material:

1.) The messages of the Sixth Density Soul Group 'Ra' is the most accurate information in your mainstream circulation at this point in time. It is approximately 85-90% accurate, from what I have seen.

2.) Another difficult issue with channeling, is that you can start off recieving a Positive entity, and if you are not very perceptive in your discerment and careful in your protection when identifying an incoming channel, you can get a Negative one that pretends to be positive, but gradually slips in more and more misinformation, having gained your trust. The ones that give you precise dates and times are nearly always ones to avoid. Positive entities will not give a date and time. Negative ones will do, so they can set you up for a fall. Once you're tricked into predicting dates and times, and they don't happen, they've succeeded in putting out the Light of your message, as no one will see any credibility in you.

3.) Hidden Hand's notion throughout the entire piece to NOT believe everything and keep discernment with information as a priority.

I myself have not come across or heard of the Cassiopaean material until the past few weeks in the Avalon forums. I have heard of the Ra material for quite sometime mentioned on and off the internet through many different sources. Reason being, the popularity of the latter is because it resonated more with people as they saw it spoke much more truth [supposedly]. And with that popularity also translate over to what may come to attention to say Hidden Hand, and probably didn't because it didn't resonate as much with his people, if his people even exist. Psychoanalysis is in store to fully understand this writing, not just fact matching, along with most pieces of writing.

And with that notion, according to Hidden Hand, factually and philosophically, THE INFORMATION WILL NOT LINE UP PERFECTLY.

If you look solely within each material, Hidden Hand's and Ra's, and ignoring their relation to any other material (outside factual information), Hidden Hand is more consistent in his facts, well I have discovered several inconsistencies within the work of Ra, as in some of the Ra material contradicts itself. My conclusion is that Hidden Hand is rather accurate in his 85%-90% remark to the material.
Hi Gregor -- Thanks for your opinion on this material, and the stimulating conversation. No matter where HH is really coming from, it is entirely possible that there is some valid material in his exposition -- if we ever hear from him again, I am open to being surprised and more impressed than I have been so far. For now, here are my two main concerns regarding the points you make above.

First, the three points you list are absolutely valid in terms of being important criteria by which to judge a purported source of information. Assume for the sake of argument that you were someone who wanted to fake this kind of information (for whatever reason -- psy-op, boredom, whatever), and were pretty well-versed in this kind of literature. There are certain key things that you would pick up to tell people that would make you seem credible, such as 'keep what resonates with you', 'it doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not', 'giving specific dates is a sign of a corrupt channel', and so on. These are trust-inspiring because they are either true or indicative that material is being placed before ego, but the key point is that they can also be learned as 'talking points'.

The second is that internal consistency doesn't necessarily indicate reliability -- as a matter of fact, in the event of a hoax, you might expect that the hoaxer would want to get their story straight and be very, even conspicuously consistent. What I am more concerned about is consistency across sources, although I know that its an issue that can get thorny really quickly.

Also, although the average person out there (even in this community) might not have heard about the Cassiopaean material, if what HH says is true, then he is a member of an ultra-high bloodline family with (at least partly) alien genetic material and undoubtedly incredible resources at his disposal -- it just seems unlikely that there wouldn't be a database that he and his family has access to that wouldn't collect exactly this type of information as it appeared, since it is congruent with the paradigm he is working within and presumably a threat to the greater Luciferian agenda.

Just as a point of interest, here are pertinent passages in both the Ra and Cassiopaean material that reference Lucifer. First, from the Ra material:

'Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.'

This *could* be consistent with the material from HH. Next, from the Cassiopaeans:

'Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies on the planet earth? Were they in bodies on other planets before they came here?
A: Not this group.

Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?
A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?

Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?
A: You. The human race.

Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a larger soul?
A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn “the hard way.”

Q: (L) Are you saying that the act of wanting to experience physical reality is the act of falling?
A: You are members of a fragmented soul unit.'

One more interesting tidbit is that the Cassiopaeans themselves describe the Ra material as 63% accurate (and their own close to 90%).
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