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02-09-2009, 03:41 PM
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With All Due Respect Mr. President, That is NOT True.....
With All Due Respect Mr. President, That Is NOT True....
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Source: http://www.campaignforliberty.com Notwithstanding reports that all economists are now Keynesians and that we all support a big increase in the burden of government, WE do not believe that more government spending is a way to improve economic performance. More government spending by Hoover and Roosevelt did not pull the United States economy out of the Great Depression in the 1930s. More government spending did not solve Japan's "lost decade" in the 1990s. As such, it is a triumph of hope over experience to believe that more government spending will help the U.S. today. To improve the economy, policy makers should focus on reforms that remove impediments to work, saving, investment and production. Lower tax rates and a reduction in the burden of government are the best ways of using fiscal policy to boost growth. Over 300 Economists Agree Burton Abrams, Univ. of Delaware Douglas Adie, Ohio University Ryan Amacher, Univ. of Texas at Arlington J.J. Arias, Georgia College & State University Howard Baetjer, Jr., Towson University Stacie Beck, Univ. of Delaware Don Bellante, Univ. of South Florida James Bennett, George Mason University Bruce Benson, Florida State University Sanjai Bhagat, Univ. of Colorado at Boulder Mark Bils, Univ. of Rochester Alberto Bisin, New York University Walter Block, Loyola University New Orleans Cecil Bohanon, Ball State University Michele Boldrin, Washington University in St. Louis Donald Booth, Chapman University Michael Bordo, Rutgers University Samuel Bostaph, Univ. of Dallas Scott Bradford, Brigham Young University Genevieve Briand, Eastern Washington University George Brower, Moravian College James Buchanan, Nobel laureate Richard Burdekin, Claremont McKenna College Henry Butler, Northwestern University William Butos, Trinity College Peter Calcagno, College of Charleston Bryan Caplan, George Mason University Art Carden, Rhodes College James Cardon, Brigham Young University Dustin Chambers, Salisbury University Emily Chamlee-Wright, Beloit College V.V. Chari, Univ. of Minnesota Barry Chiswick, Univ. of Illinois at Chicago Lawrence Cima, John Carroll University J.R. Clark, Univ. of Tennessee at Chattanooga Gian Luca Clementi, New York University R. Morris Coats, Nicholls State University John Cochran, Metropolitan State College John Cochrane, Univ. of Chicago John Cogan, Hoover Institution, Stanford University John Coleman, Duke University Boyd Collier, Tarleton State University Robert Collinge, Univ. of Texas at San Antonio Lee Coppock, Univ. of Virginia Mario Crucini, Vanderbilt University Christopher Culp, Univ. of Chicago Kirby Cundiff, Northeastern State University Antony Davies, Duquesne University John Dawson, Appalachian State University Clarence Deitsch, Ball State University Arthur Diamond, Jr., Univ. of Nebraska at Omaha John Dobra, Univ. of Nevada, Reno James Dorn, Towson University Christopher Douglas, Univ. of Michigan, Flint Floyd Duncan, Virginia Military Institute Francis Egan, Trinity College John Egger, Towson University Kenneth Elzinga, Univ. of Virginia Paul Evans, Ohio State University Eugene Fama, Univ. of Chicago W. Ken Farr, Georgia College & State University Hartmut Fischer, Univ. of San Francisco Fred Foldvary, Santa Clara University Murray Frank, Univ. of Minnesota Peter Frank, Wingate University Timothy Fuerst, Bowling Green State University B. Delworth Gardner, Brigham Young University John Garen, Univ. of Kentucky Rick Geddes, Cornell University Aaron Gellman, Northwestern University William Gerdes, Clarke College Michael Gibbs, Univ. of Chicago Stephan Gohmann, Univ. of Louisville Rodolfo Gonzalez, San Jose State University Richard Gordon, Penn State University Peter Gordon, Univ. of Southern California Ernie Goss, Creighton University Paul Gregory, Univ. of Houston Earl Grinols, Baylor University Daniel Gropper, Auburn University R.W. Hafer, Southern Illinois University, Edwardsville Arthur Hall, Univ. of Kansas Steve Hanke, Johns Hopkins Stephen Happel, Arizona State University Frank Hefner, College of Charleston Ronald Heiner, George Mason University David Henderson, Hoover Institution, Stanford University Robert Herren, North Dakota State University Gailen Hite, Columbia University Steven Horwitz, St. Lawrence University John Howe, Univ. of Missouri, Columbia Jeffrey Hummel, San Jose State University Bruce Hutchinson, Univ. of Tennessee at Chattanooga Brian Jacobsen, Wisconsin Lutheran College Jason Johnston, Univ. of Pennsylvania Boyan Jovanovic, New York University Jonathan Karpoff, Univ. of Washington Barry Keating, Univ. of Notre Dame Naveen Khanna, Michigan State University Nicholas Kiefer, Cornell University Daniel Klein, George Mason University Paul Koch, Univ. of Kansas Narayana Kocherlakota, Univ. of Minnesota Marek Kolar, Delta College Roger Koppl, Fairleigh Dickinson University Kishore Kulkarni, Metropolitan State College of Denver Deepak Lal, UCLA George Langelett, South Dakota State University James Larriviere, Spring Hill College Robert Lawson, Auburn University John Levendis, Loyola University New Orleans David Levine, Washington University in St. Louis Peter Lewin, Univ. of Texas at Dallas Dean Lillard, Cornell University Zheng Liu, Emory University Alan Lockard, Binghampton University Edward Lopez, San Jose State University John Lunn, Hope College Glenn MacDonald, Washington University in St. Louis Michael Marlow, California Polytechnic State University Deryl Martin, Tennessee Tech University Dale Matcheck, Northwood University Deirdre McCloskey, Univ. of Illinois, Chicago John McDermott, Univ. of South Carolina Joseph McGarrity, Univ. of Central Arkansas Roger Meiners, Univ. of Texas at Arlington Allan Meltzer, Carnegie Mellon University John Merrifield, Univ. of Texas at San Antonio James Miller III, George Mason University Jeffrey Miron, Harvard University Thomas Moeller, Texas Christian University John Moorhouse, Wake Forest University Andrea Moro, Vanderbilt University Andrew Morriss, Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Michael Munger, Duke University Kevin Murphy, Univ. of Southern California Richard Muth, Emory University Charles Nelson, Univ. of Washington Seth Norton, Wheaton College Lee Ohanian, Univ. of California, Los Angeles Lydia Ortega, San Jose State University Evan Osborne, Wright State University Randall Parker, East Carolina University Donald Parsons, George Washington University Sam Peltzman, Univ. of Chicago Mark Perry, Univ. of Michigan, Flint Christopher Phelan, Univ. of Minnesota Gordon Phillips, Univ. of Maryland Michael Pippenger, Univ. of Alaska, Fairbanks Tomasz Piskorski, Columbia University Brennan Platt, Brigham Young University Joseph Pomykala, Towson University William Poole, Univ. of Delaware Barry Poulson, Univ. of Colorado at Boulder Benjamin Powell, Suffolk University Edward Prescott, Nobel laureate Gary Quinlivan, Saint Vincent College Reza Ramazani, Saint Michael's College Adriano Rampini, Duke University Eric Rasmusen, Indiana University Mario Rizzo, New York University Richard Roll, Univ. of California, Los Angeles Robert Rossana, Wayne State University James Roumasset, Univ. of Hawaii at Manoa John Rowe, Univ. of South Florida Charles Rowley, George Mason University Juan Rubio-Ramirez, Duke University Roy Ruffin, Univ. of Houston Kevin Salyer, Univ. of California, Davis Pavel Savor, Univ. of Pennsylvania Ronald Schmidt, Univ. of Rochester Carlos Seiglie, Rutgers University William Shughart II, Univ. of Mississippi Charles Skipton, Univ. of Tampa James Smith, Western Carolina University Vernon Smith, Nobel laureate Lawrence Southwick, Jr., Univ. at Buffalo Dean Stansel, Florida Gulf Coast University Houston Stokes, Univ. of Illinois at Chicago Brian Strow, Western Kentucky University Shirley Svorny, California State University, Northridge John Tatom, Indiana State University Wade Thomas, State University of New York at Oneonta Henry Thompson, Auburn University Alex Tokarev, The King's College Edward Tower, Duke University Leo Troy, Rutgers University David Tuerck, Suffolk University Charlotte Twight, Boise State University Kamal Upadhyaya, Univ. of New Haven Charles Upton, Kent State University T. Norman Van Cott, Ball State University Richard Vedder, Ohio University Richard Wagner, George Mason University Douglas M. Walker, College of Charleston Douglas O. Walker, Regent University Christopher Westley, Jacksonville State University Lawrence White, Univ. of Missouri at St. Louis Walter Williams, George Mason University Doug Wills, Univ. of Washington Tacoma Dennis Wilson, Western Kentucky University Gary Wolfram, Hillsdale College Huizhong Zhou, Western Michigan University Additional economists who have signed the statement Lee Adkins, Oklahoma State University William Albrecht, Univ. of Iowa Donald Alexander, Western Michigan University Geoffrey Andron, Austin Community College Nathan Ashby, Univ. of Texas at El Paso George Averitt, Purdue North Central University Charles Baird, California State University, East Bay Timothy Bastian, Creighton University John Bethune, Barton College Robert Bise, Orange Coast College Karl Borden, University of Nebraska Donald Boudreaux, George Mason University Ivan Brick, Rutgers University Phil Bryson, Brigham Young University Richard Burkhauser, Cornell University Jim Butkiewicz, Univ. of Delaware Richard Cebula, Armstrong Atlantic State University Don Chance, Louisiana State University Robert Chatfield, Univ. of Nevada, Las Vegas Lloyd Cohen, George Mason University Peter Colwell, Univ. of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Michael Connolly, Univ. of Miami Jim Couch, Univ. of North Alabama Eleanor Craig, Univ. of Delaware Michael Daniels, Columbus State University A. Edward Day, Univ. of Texas at Dallas Stephen Dempsey, Univ. of Vermont Allan DeSerpa, Arizona State University William Dewald, Ohio State University Jeff Dorfman, Univ. of Georgia Lanny Ebenstein, Univ. of California, Santa Barbara Michael Erickson, The College of Idaho Jack Estill, San Jose State University Dorla Evans, Univ. of Alabama in Huntsville Frank Falero, California State University, Bakersfield Daniel Feenberg, National Bureau of Economic Research Eric Fisher, California Polytechnic State University William Ford, Middle Tennessee State University Ralph Frasca, Univ. of Dayton Joseph Giacalone, St. John's University Adam Gifford, California State Unviersity, Northridge Otis Gilley, Louisiana Tech University J. Edward Graham, University of North Carolina at Wilmington Richard Grant, Lipscomb University Gauri-Shankar Guha, Arkansas State University Darren Gulla, Univ. of Kentucky Dennis Halcoussis, California State University, Northridge Richard Hart, Miami University James Hartley, Mount Holyoke College Thomas Hazlett, George Mason University Scott Hein, Texas Tech University John Hoehn, Michigan State University Daniel Houser, George Mason University Thomas Howard, University of Denver Chris Hughen, Univ. of Denver Marcus Ingram, Univ. of Tampa Joseph Jadlow, Oklahoma State University Sherry Jarrell, Wake Forest University Robert Krol, California State University, Northridge James Kurre, Penn State Erie Tom Lehman, Indiana Wesleyan University W. Cris Lewis, Utah State University Stan Liebowitz, Univ. of Texas at Dallas Anthony Losasso, Univ. of Illinois at Chicago John Lott, Jr., Univ. of Maryland Keith Malone, Univ. of North Alabama Henry Manne, George Mason University Richard Marcus, Univ. of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Timothy Mathews, Kennesaw State University John Matsusaka, Univ. of Southern California Thomas Mayor, Univ. of Houston W. Douglas McMillin, Louisiana State University Mario Miranda, The Ohio State University Ed Miseta, Penn State Erie James Moncur, Univ. of Hawaii at Manoa Charles Moss, Univ. of Florida Tim Muris, George Mason University John Murray, Univ. of Toledo David Mustard, Univ. of Georgia Steven Myers, Univ. of Akron Dhananjay Nanda, University of Miami Stephen Parente, Univ. of Minnesota Douglas Patterson, Virginia Polytechnic Institute and University Timothy Perri, Appalachian State University Mark Pingle, Univ. of Nevada, Reno Richard Rawlins, Missouri Southern State University Thomas Rhee, California State University, Long Beach Christine Ries, Georgia Institute of Technology Nancy Roberts, Arizona State University Larry Ross, Univ. of Alaska Anchorage Timothy Roth, Univ. of Texas at El Paso Atulya Sarin, Santa Clara University Thomas Saving, Texas A&M University Eric Schansberg, Indiana University Southeast Alan Shapiro, Univ. of Southern California Frank Spreng, McKendree University Judith Staley Brenneke, John Carroll University John E. Stapleford, Eastern University Courtenay Stone, Ball State University Avanidhar Subrahmanyam, UCLA Scott Sumner, Bentley University Clifford Thies, Shenandoah University William Trumbull, West Virginia University Gustavo Ventura, Univ. of Iowa Marc Weidenmier, Claremont McKenna College Robert Whaples, Wake Forest University Gene Wunder, Washburn University John Zdanowicz, Florida International University Jerry Zimmerman, Univ. of Rochester Joseph Zoric, Franciscan University of Steubenville "Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...
They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." —Thomas Jefferson  Last edited by peaceandlove; 02-09-2009 at 08:33 PM. |
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02-09-2009, 08:25 PM
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Re: With All Due Respect Mr. President, That is NOT True.....
May I ask who the ORIGINAL author of this piece is? They should be given some sort of credit for your cut and paste job.
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02-09-2009, 08:29 PM
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Re: With All Due Respect Mr. President, That is NOT True.....
Thanks Argante, I see I missed pasting the author of the article, I have corrected it above.
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02-09-2009, 10:28 PM
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Re: With All Due Respect Mr. President, That is NOT True.....
All I see it is as more wasted energy. Who cares about Obama? We've got bigger fish to fry.
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02-09-2009, 10:37 PM
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Re: With All Due Respect Mr. President, That is NOT True.....
heya- i know, obama obama... but i found this to be... well... i haven't witnessed obama dropping the cue cards, but i'd love to... here's a link i like...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...nformationAct/ obama on the freedom of information act... and in the light of disclosure... we're like the care bears. we have to care- a- lot... camelot...haha (did anyone else grow up in the eighties... im sure...) about everyone... send out your particular gift today. whatever it is. thanks for the love and light everyone. s |
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02-11-2009, 07:30 AM
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Opposing 'Stimulus' - Hundreds of Economists Sign on to Cato Institute Ad
There is plenty of disagreement on whether a big-government stimulus project is the best way to bring the United States out of recession. The Cato Institute purchased a full-page ad in major newspapers across the country listing the names of several hundred economists who object to massive deficit spending as an economic stimulus. Cato scholars and ad signatories have made their case on television since the spending program was proposed. http://www.cato.org/fiscalreality
C-SPAN/Fox News/BBS/ABC/CNN/Larry King Live Video (3:21): http://reason.tv/roughcut/show/682.html or: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRkj5...layer_embedded Alan Reynolds Assails 'Stimulus' Spending on CNN Video (4:46): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nJ-U...layer_embedded |
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02-11-2009, 08:47 AM
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Re: Opposing 'Stimulus' - Hundreds of Economists Sign on to Cato Institute Ad
With respect to all those economists and thier leet calculator skills, I dont think you have to be very clever to see how stupid the stimulus project is.
Same ****, different day. If it does any good at all, it will be to hasten the end of the old paradigm economy and that is what I am expecting. (My apologies for being rather negative in this post. Normal service will resume.) A.. |
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02-11-2009, 09:19 AM
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Re: Opposing 'Stimulus' - Hundreds of Economists Sign on to Cato Institute Ad
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Is it that tired old model of cutting taxes? We've seen what cutting taxes has done for the last 8 years. Isn't it possible that cutting taxes only makes the rich people richer and depletes the coffers? It would be nice if there were more NON-partisan folks coming out against this instead of just the right-leaning Cato Institute. |
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02-11-2009, 09:49 AM
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Re: With All Due Respect Mr. President, That is NOT True.....
It's a Fiat monetary system, backed by fresh air, that is DESIGNED to fail. Failure is built in because it makes those at the top of the pyramid richer and those at the bottom poorer. All these measures allegedly introduced by our governments are just more smoke and mirrors- the US and UK are CORPORATIONS operating under bankruptcy and have been since 1933. Our labour is the only collateral they have- we are economic slaves, plain and simple.
These bailouts are more illusiary money created by the banks and given to the governments at interest to be given back to the banks! Does anyone here believe the US govt had $800bn just floating around waiting to be used? What is happening is absolutely inevitable. And I wonder if all these FEMA camps are being set up in preparation for our 'owners' seizing the only assets our so-called countries have left- US. People ask why Blair and Bush haven't been charges with war crimes. The answer is simple- someone higher up in the corporation granted them immunity. We need to stop looking for new things we can do WITHIN the system to solve problems, because it's the system itself that IS the problem. All this bull**** we see on the news is just more manipulation designed to keep us looking at the gameboard instead of going after the bas***ds that made the rules in the first place. |
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02-11-2009, 10:34 PM
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Re: Opposing 'Stimulus' - Hundreds of Economists Sign on to Cato Institute Ad
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The Earth is tired of this ****. Recently saved from planet-death and freshly energised by much light and love from helpers on the ground and "in the sky"; she will complete her toxin flush. The powers at her disposal will boggle your mind as they are unleashed. You have recently seen some of the tamer ones in the weather all round the world. This is not doom and gloom (unless you are of the old school and refuse to awaken) - eitherway you got no option but to either leave (3D death) or ride it out and accept the boon and opportunities that this incarnational experience will give you. Those in the latter group will, no matter the hardship, align thier actions with the correct evolutionary flow of the universe and lend thier efforts with the rest of those brothers and sisters working on the path. Miracles will happen. A period of harsh rebalance will see the surface of the Earth changed and ready for entry into the next "age" wherein the Earth becomes a 4D planet. The people who should not have been here in the first place will leave. Certain physical and spiritual preparations are necessary for everyone - correctly prepared you can survive - you will know what to do. The process started some time back. It cannot be stopped. The forces of darkness can run, but they cant hide. Thier time is nearly done, and that includes many of the forces behind the situation referred to in the original post. Over 6000 people have joined this forum and there are over 100,000 posts. Of these posts there are many posts by many people that accurately describe the best ways to prepare yourself for this. It starts with making a simple choice and if you have not made it yet, you are running out of time. Make your choice. Bless you all, in the light and in the love of the one infinite creator, here on Earth. A.. Last edited by Anchor; 02-12-2009 at 12:14 AM. |
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02-11-2009, 11:16 PM
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Re: Opposing 'Stimulus' - Hundreds of Economists Sign on to Cato Institute Ad
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02-12-2009, 02:30 AM
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02-12-2009, 03:54 AM
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Re: Opposing 'Stimulus' - Hundreds of Economists Sign on to Cato Institute Ad
Ok, this is addressed to almost everybody.
Perhaps a lot of people here are busy being distracted by the news, tv, disasters, wars, UFO's and aliens etc or strange information about phenomena round the world, but really its all a distraction. What is going to come is going to come. To the awakened this is an illusion, but its one you are trapped in even if you know its true nature. The process has begun in earnest. Each passing day waves the evidence in front of your face. What I have said in my previous post in this thread is a broad outline that covers what I think is going to happen in the next 1-3 years in this illusion ( during which time the veil will be withdrawn and the true nature of things will be revealed at an ever increasing pace). Bluntly, you need to decide if you want to live or die in this process - that is the choice I am referring to. It doesn't matter which you choose, but if you don't, the choice will be made for you. Your higher self has probably already made the choice for you, but it cant help to affirm it. You may not yet have heard the wake up call to be aware of this yet - if not, dont worry, that will happen quite soon now. Please ensure that you test my words in your heart before accepting them. Anything that I say here like this should be rejected if you don't think its right - just move on and dont give me a second thought. On the other hand, if you don't reject what I say - then for your own sake - if you are not already preparing yourself spiritually and physically (both in body and in the way you organize your life and circumstances) then act now. Even if nothing happens you don't have anything to loose. A.. Last edited by Anchor; 02-12-2009 at 08:51 AM. Reason: removed some quote |
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02-12-2009, 07:05 AM
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Re: Opposing 'Stimulus' - Hundreds of Economists Sign on to Cato Institute Ad
With all due respect, please don't single me out like this. I am merely commenting on the point of threads like this, which as you said, serve as nothing more than distractions. Perhaps you should give the same lecture about what Avalon stands for to people who spend a lot of time fear-baiting and pushing agendas.
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02-12-2009, 08:40 AM
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Humble Janitor,
You asked me a question. >I don't understand where you're coming from here or what choice you're referring to. I have altered my message to conform to my actual intent. I am sorry that I bothered you in a way in which I did not intend. >Perhaps you should give the same lecture about what Avalon stands for >to people who spend a lot of time fear-baiting and pushing agendas. Your right, I removed that part. A.. Last edited by Anchor; 02-12-2009 at 08:53 AM. |
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02-18-2009, 12:53 AM
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Re: Opposing 'Stimulus' - Hundreds of Economists Sign on to Cato Institute Ad
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I guess you have a plethora of money and are not concerned about how the current policies are going to affect your monetary freedom. We, here at Avalon, are about preparing for the future and effecting the present. Myself, I want to know what is happening with the economy so I know what steps to take next. The manipulated mainstream media does not allow publication of information contrary to the PTB agenda. Right, left, center, top, bottom....I believe it is of our best interest to look at all sides. I am open to different ideas on how to create a debt free and prosperous nation. One thing I know for sure, it's foolish to believe that spending money will get us out of debt. Feel free to post any helpful information that you believe will assist your fellow Avalonians prepare for the economic struggle ahead. I agree with Anchor, it's all an illusion. We still need money until such time the veil is lifted. Maybe the best solution is for everyone to stop paying income tax. That'll stimulate the government into cutting spending. Ron Paul promotes the elimination of the federal income tax. Moving Beyond the Fake Stimulus: Reviewing Policies that Produce Real Growth VIDEO (6:12): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCaUA...layer_embedded Now that the so-called stimulus has been enacted, hopefully policy makers will turn their attention to policies that actually improve economic performance. This Center for Freedom and Prosperity Foundation video reviews the key finding in the Fraser Institute's Economic Freedom of the World and explains that, contrary to the policies of Presidents Bush and Obama, smaller government and free markets are the way to boost economic growth. For more information: www.freedomandprosperity.org Last edited by peaceandlove; 02-18-2009 at 01:22 AM. |
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