Reincarnation/Timeline Question

[Chris1617]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Hi, Chris, ....

So far, we have not seen any truly benevolent beings in the between lives and I think it is a "cr_p shoot" whether we are evolving or devolving. Perhaps we have to devolve before we can evolve.

When I experienced the transformation, Thunderous Silence, Mythic Death, Satori, Samadhi -- call it what you will -- that I mention in the Appendix to "Chamber 6 Paper" (http://www.wingmakers.com/products2.html) on WingMakers Chamber 6 Painting I had to change all my ideas about death and the afterlife. I used to think much as you appear to. There are so few sources out there that talk about it in any way that correlates to my experience. In fact the only two I've found so far that do are Billy Meier and the WingMakers/Lyricus, though the latter still say very little actually about death, between lives and reincarnating -- it is implied more within the WMs artwork and philosophies rather than articulated in words.

It may be a cr-p shoot if you pick anyone at random to see whether that person is progressing or regressing but if someone is attempting to progress you can be pretty sure they are in some way or another at least as far as they are able, and who can do more than that. It is not that the personality evolves so much as the spirit; the personality lives and dies. It serves spirit and Source in evolution or it does not. The spirit evolves via the personalities that it houses throughout its evolution. The personality has only one short lifespan in which to evolve; spirit has a near eternity.

I've had to revise my ideas of families coming together again in other lives -- a popular interpretation made more so by writers like Shirley Maclaine, whose books I nonetheless enjoyed. It is not so much the physical personalities as these are so dependent on the parental DNA and genes, as it is a spiritual family, the spirit personalities of which are forever evolving and growing, and IMO are merely rudimentary at present. These spirit "identities" or "individuals" may come together but the personalities they express through will depend upon: inherited traits from the new physical DNA and genetics; environment and upbringing, including experiences; and influences spirit may have on these, which will depend upon how receptive the personality is to the promptings, ideas, inspirations, frequencies, and "nudging" of spirit.

There are beings on other levels, but between lives there are no people, which may be why you "have not seen any truly benevolent beings in the between lives". The earth personalities die at death. The consciousness remains for a while as it is absorbed and integrated into spirit, but it would IMO be in error to refer to this as a personality.

I know Sylvia Browne and a myriad of others would disagree, and I used to share their views, but I must be true to the reality I experienced. Death is different, and when you think about it it is also logically so. Why would a personality survive death only to disappear upon reincarnation? We know the new life is inherited from the new parents and their DNA and genetics. Science quite categorically has proven it so. Even the Buddha said each personality is quite different in the next incarnation. This always left me wondering, "What is it then that reincarnates?" And it is: the spirit, individuated spirit.

It is very natural for human beings to think of life after death as a continuation of themselves in some form, but every person will surely die and end, and the spirit will house a completely different personality next time. The closest we can come to reincarnating again is to ally ourselves with our individuated spirit as far as possible and in that reincarnate; but the human being always tends to imagine this as more like herself/himself than spirit because we are so removed from spirit which is essentially an indescribable integrated frequency of love, knowledge, intelligence, wisdom, goodness etc which is reflected in humanity.

My spirit, for example, upon my death will integrate all my experiences into its frequency: all the experiences, all the knowledge, all the thoughts, actions and interests will all be noted and integrated, though it will only "take" that which furthers its evolution. All else is so much fluff that is just left (what I had for breakfast six weeks ago, unless that was somehow very significant, which I don't recall it was). This will all be added to its storehouse from all its previous incarnations that are already thoroughly integrated into an inviolable whole. When this process of my integration into my individuated spirit is complete the spirit's next incarnation can begin. "I" in as much as "I" exist -- and it will not be as a personality -- will just be another integrated component of the individuated spirit as it progresses along its evolutionary path. In a future incarnation spirit may provide the usage of any of its aspects from its last life (mine) or any aspect or aspects of any life before that for the new personality in order for spirit to further develop; it is, however, more likely to do this in a completely integrated fashion, rather than in terms of specific lifetimes. It has, after all, been thoroughly integrated into a coherent whole, assuming it had the necessary time to assimilate everything, which is rarely the case with our intensely overpopulated world continually calling on spirits to incarnate into new life forms ASAP.

Hubby's between lives experiences that we have seen so far is that he sometimes is guided to a body, or some compulsion causes him to sense out a suitable female to be his mother.

So far, everyone in my immediate family, including my hubby, have been with me many lifetimes. It seems to me at this time that we tune into each other's wavelengths and that there is some unfinished business.

This would IMO be your husband's individuated spirit rather than your husband. Again IMO it would be the spirit's wavelengths rather than the families; and the "unfinished business" of things unresolved and yet to be resolved will need to be worked on in future lives if not resolved in the current one, but for spirit the specific people involved are not important once they have died. For the specific people are all dead and gone and no longer exist. It is the resolution of issues, thoughts, ideas, and experiences that are necessary for spirits evolution, and these can -- and will -- come up again with quite different people for resolution so the spirit can evolve ever closer to oneness with Source itself.

If I have time I will post a thread on WingMakers Transformation.

Very nice talking with you Gnosis5.

Chris

[wilsonericq7]

Thank you all for your help on this. I have much to learn...and appearantly no linear time to do it in. For anyone interested in learning more about this, like me, is there a source with which further study can be accomplished? Any links are greatly appreciated!

Peace

[milk and honey]

Hi wilsonericq7 and all,

You might find interest in a book titled "Life before Life" by Helen Wambach.

As a clinical psychologist in the 1970s she regressed hundreds of people, sometimes in large groups, to probe the soul memory of life before this life..... before entering the womb again to embark on the current earth sojourn.

From the report of most participants in her studies, the process of re-incarnation is evidently highly organised beyond the earth plane. Wise guides assist souls to identify and surrender to the (karmic) necessity of meeting past relationships in the proposed new incarnation. Karmic ties determine a soul's magnetic attraction to a particular family. This can include love or revulsion which is predicated on past experiences together.

Various themes were gleaned from the regression experience. Participants in the study reported that their new parents and siblings once played different familial roles in previous lives. ie, the proposed mother was once a sister or wife. The brother was once the father or husband or friend or enemy....etc.

Souls seem to re-incarnate in groups until they can learn tolerance and love for each other. Some couldn't wait to join loved ones while others were filled with trepidation at the prospect of a new incarnation in the proposed family. It seems we all surrender to the necessity of a responsibility and work that must be accomplished. And of course this includes all the other souls we will interact with in a more than casual way.

For some souls, strong negative emotions (the scars of the past) bring them together repeatedly throughout the ages. For others it is a mutual friendship built on common cause. ie, two people perhaps in the same field of service drawn together over and again. Most families are a mixture of both of these kinds of relationships and so are friendships.

Dr Wabach's studies resonated with me long before i had similar memories to those reported by her subjects. My mum has been my mother several times and so has my father. My son was once a friend.

These are the nuts and bolts of our sojourn through the earth plane. The law is the law and each soul must fulfill it by being willing to meet the effects of our own actions. Cause and effect is the law of karma and we usually reap a mixture of sweet and bitter fruit. Don't we know it.

However, we can meet our karma and karmic relationships under the guidance and inspiration of the inner-Christ. That is how we fulfill all things and transcend the rounds of karma and re-incarnation... "nevermore to go out or in".

[Alloura]

Hi wilsonericq7 & all

Very interesting thread with tremendous amounts of thoughtful posts.

wilsonericq7, along the same lines as the book mentioned by milk and honey, you might look into Michael Newton's "Journey of Souls" and "Destiny of Souls". Both books are filled with past-life regression accounts, with detailed analysis too. I've re-read them both several times, and each time I gain some new insight.

Also, I've had several past-life regression/life-between-life sessions from a hypnotherapist trained by MN. I highly recommend it - my view of all things pertaining to life here on earth and in the spirit realms has been validated and expanded...

Alloura

[feeler]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

From the report of most participants in her studies, the process of re-incarnation is evidently highly organised beyond the earth plane. Wise guides assist souls to identify and surrender to the (karmic) necessity of meeting past relationships in the proposed new incarnation. Karmic ties determine a soul's magnetic attraction to a particular family. This can include love or revulsion which is predicated on past experiences together.

In terms of the mechanics of re-incarnation, milk and honey, do you buy into the concept/story of the "soul collector"* as described by John Lear?

*A moon based container that traps the souls who decide to joint the light at the end of the tunnel shortly after the separation from the body.

Thanks.



-feeler

[Pierrot]

H. Charles Berner's "Manual for guiding a person through the after death experience"- http://www.charlesberner.org/Tibet_Book_Dead_web.pdf, although somewhat poetic, gives quite a good account of the sequence of the "after death experience". During regressions people go through the upsets (of separations), problems, done/not done, then dichotomies of good/bad, love/hate, ..., you name it, of the life they leave behind, and the energy fields (colors, sounds, emotions, ...) manifest as the person releases from them and from that maze called the mind which contains identities, guides, entities, etc, some hostile, some helpfull. It's very interesting actually.

[Stabris8]

Wow, lots of info to digest. I can't understand why WE can't remember our past experiences / lifetimes here on this planet, without regression techniques? I'm not trying to make things 'easier' for us to learn or correct any bad we had done in past lifetimes; but thru my researching it seems as tho other being shed their 'containers' and can remember themselves--they just start in a new 'container'. What is so different about us especially if we are reincarnating many times???

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by feeler

In terms of the mechanics of re-incarnation, milk and honey, do you buy into the concept/story of the "soul collector"* as described by John Lear?

*A moon based container that traps the souls who decide to joint the light at the end of the tunnel shortly after the separation from the body.

Thanks.



-feeler

I have a girlfriend who told her dying grandmother, "Fly low, grandma, and don't go to the light".

As soon as one finds the basis for their attraction they can no longer be trapped. Past life sessions help one to examine these incidents and change their mind about it and drop the compulsion to go and check out the pretty lights.

[GregorArturo]

Originally Posted by wilsonericq7

I have tried to collect and assemble information regarding reincarnation (outside of dogmatic spreadsheets) and apply it to timelines using the multiple universe theory. Ok, stay with me here, a question arises which this forum could help me/us a great deal.

Postulate #1.
If Billy Miers (sp?) is correct, then according to the Pleiadians have suggested the reincarnation of the soul is 156 years (this could be off a couple of years, but is not pertinent to the question).

Postulate #2.
If David Wilcock is correct, and I believe he is, and he is the reincarnation of Edgar Casey, did he graduate to this (our current) timeline?

Question.
Edgar Casey died in 1945, yet David Wilcock was born much sooner then the 156 year suggestion from the Pleiadians.

If #1 is true, then we all graduated to this timeline. From this assumption more questions arise, such as "how many times have we taken this current timeline?" If we didn't, for example, pass the 4th grade we wouldn't be moved forward to the 5th. Using this analagy and applying Billy Miers' information there is a gap that doesn't compute.

Running along side the aforementioned paradox, I ponder how many times I personally have been born to this timeline as my presence in it suggests I have either (1) graduated the prior timeline; or (2) failed this timeline before. My instinct tells me I have been here before and need to do or learn something now in order to move forward.

Any thoughts to clear a muddied mind is greatly appreciated.

Peace

Didn't read any of the thread responses but this is my own personal understanding of it. First, you need to make it more simple. There aren't rules like 156 years, if anything that is a statistic, a likelihood to which we may conform to. But if you die today, you may be reborn tomorrow to a family in Haiti. And in terms of timelines and reincarnations, technically, the answer is infinite. Your soul will experience an infinite number of lives and timelines. Reality is simple. Man's great weakness is to 'muddle' it with so many rules and definitions. I hope that helps.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Stabris8

Wow, lots of info to digest. I can't understand why WE can't remember our past experiences / lifetimes here on this planet, without regression techniques? I'm not trying to make things 'easier' for us to learn or correct any bad we had done in past lifetimes; but thru my researching it seems as tho other being shed their 'containers' and can remember themselves--they just start in a new 'container'. What is so different about us especially if we are reincarnating many times???

Some can remember more than others, but I doubt if anyone can remember all. For example, in one session, when the universe was still young, I made a conscious decision to "NOT KNOW". Guess what? It worked!

[Gnosis5]

Hi, Chris, would you detail your transformation experience? Thank you.

Gnosis5

[Stabris8]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Some can remember more than others, but I doubt if anyone can remember all. For example, in one session, when the universe was still young, I made a conscious decision to "NOT KNOW". Guess what? It worked!

Thanks for the reply! I guess I always choose NOT to remember, each time!! I sure do not remember anything...would like to have a session to see how my past has been. Have to make a mental note to know for the next life!

[Edward Alexander]

Many replies, which did not have time to read, so I will simply answer from my own experience:

There is no set limit in years between each incarnation, even the idea is absurd as time do not exist on the spiritual planes, and a person can basically be reborn as soon as he dies. However normally a person do not get reincarnated that soon but spend some time in the lower astral planes for a while, some ascend further up, and some are never reincarnated. Some only reincarnate a part of themselves, a soul fragment.

For further information on the last part, please check my thread at http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=6337 where I explain this concept in depth and I think you may find it quite interesting in regards of your research.

I also explain there how several people claiming to be the reincarnation of the same past person can in fact all be correct about it.

Peace profound,
-EA

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Edward Alexander

There is no set limit in years between each incarnation, even the idea is absurd as time do not exist on the spiritual planes, and a person can basically be reborn as soon as he dies. However normally a person do not get reincarnated that soon but spend some time in the lower astral planes for a while, some ascend further up, and some are never reincarnated. Some only reincarnate a part of themselves, a soul fragment.

Peace profound,
-EA

I wonder why someone would choose to reincarnate here (Over and Over again like a broken record.), and do the same rollercoaster ride over, while infinity is waiting with so many more wonders?
Why stick around?
My same gripe with "ghosts".
Further more, if this universe is waiting a cold dark death, in a couple of gazillions ofbillions of years, when the suns have burned out, where will the reincarnations continue?

[Edward Alexander]

In almost all cases people do not "chose" to be reincarnated, they are so because they are trapped here. The major point of spiritual development is to understand this and be able to be free and ascend to higher realms of existence. But the majority of people are clueless when it comes to their own being and they are constantly filled with lies and deceit by the religious institutions and so on.

I will now move on to talk about Ghosts, as they relate to why people are stuck here just like the Ghosts themselves are.

In this case, I assume you are talking about Ghosts as the Spirit of passed people.

These people, or Ghosts, exist on a lower level of the astral realm very close to this physical one and they are for the most part trapped there due to various reasons.

Some of the reasons are that they are not aware of being dead, or they do not know where to go, they are lost and have no one to help them getting further, or they are trying desperately to contact their family and loved ones and so on and thus keep stuck here on the lower plane.

In some instances a Ghost can manifest and be physically visible, this is done through harnessing the energies in the environment around it when it find itself here in the physical plane as an energy form. It can gather the molecules around it energetically so that they are structured around the shape of the Ghost and thus become more dense and visible by light. Some emit energy in the form of light and thus become visible, but the same principle applies of structuring molecules around its energy core which this light is emitted through.

An interesting thing about Ghosts is that they can exist and manifest even after their soul have gone further, or been reincarnated. This is due to the different layers of our beings, and sometimes an outer shell of energy is left which functions as a sort of imprint in its environment after its "occupant" has left. Thus you have the "repeater ghosts" which simply appear and do the same action over every time they are observed, almost mechanically. This is the energetic shell left over of the original "person" after he passed further from the lower plane, and this shell has its own limited sort of consciousness directly connected to its original "occupant". This makes it appear and act as the original person, and sometimes enough consciousness is left over to even communicate some with such an entity, and this often leads to people thinking they are in contact with their dead family members and so on, while in reality the "true" person has already left and gone elsewhere to other realms of existence, and they are merely in contact with a "shadow copy" of the true person.

Eventually this shell, or shadow copy, whatever you want to call it, will wear out its energy and dissolve into the Spirit, or the Ether as it has been called, which is the energy field the realm it exists withing consists of.

In some cases, these "shells" can be entered by other entities, and thus they can keep it "alive" for a longer period of time and also pretend to be the original person and trick people that get in contact with it. This would in a sense be similar to how a physical body can be possessed by a spirit entity, except you have a spirit body - the shell - being possessed by another spirit entity.

While all this happens, the Original Person, would find himself in one of several scenarios: Either he has been reincarnated and entered a new physical body, he is traveling around in the lower astral realms with his astral body, or he has ascended to higher astral realms and continue his existence and new experiences there gaining new insights and pursuing his new Life as an ascended being.

Most people, due to their lack of spiritual knowledge and understanding, find themselves in the lower astral planes after death in a form where they are what we can call "lost ghosts" as explained above. And this is the important part - our lives here are really a preparation for death, and we should do our best to gain as much understanding about the after life we can before we enter it so we will know what to expect and what to do once there.

Most religions are completely off here and are responsible of many problems for people passing over - buddhism is a good exception with guidance for the afterlife being given to the dead person.

Love and blessings,
Edward Alexander

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by nagualton

Today you'll find at least 10 woman who will claim that they where Cleopatra.
Probably you will find 10 Mark Antony, to match. Reincarnation belongs to the mind, who thinks we'll live forever. Idea of reincarnation is planted, in order to stop us think about our own mortality. It's false second, third, fourth ...... chance

You make an excellent point. I hope it won't be brushed aside and that people will give it due consideration. Reincarnation has many problems and multiple claims on famous past lives is not the least of them.

Besides taking a perceived physical resemblance as an indication of reincarnation seems illogical as the mechanism for the transfer of physical traits is well understood and it is entirely ... well physical.

[Edward Alexander]

The so called problems with Reincarnation is solved by my discoveries as outlined here:

Part 1 http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...88&postcount=1

Part 2 http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...0&postcount=14

This explains how 10 people can all claim to have been Cleopatra in their previous life - and still all of them being right about it.

-EA

[Donald]

About time...

We can see everything around us because photons hit our retina. Our retina then sends an electrical signal to our brain which interprets that signal and reform the image. Basically, this is how we see.

We know that photons travel at the speed of 300 000 km an hour. Imagine that you are looking at an object (any object) that's moving. Imagine now that at the exact moment that a photon (reflected or coming from that object) hit your retina, you begin to go back at the same speed i.e. 300 000 km an hour. What do you see then? You see the same object but it's not moving because no new photons (no new information about that object as to its shape and position) reach your retina.

Imagine now that you are able to be at every coordinates in the universe i.e. your eyes can see every coordinate in the universe. What do you see?

You see every object/event happening at the same time. So to me, there is no time. Only an eternal present where everything happens at the same "time".

This is, I believe, how we can choose "where" and "when" to incarnate. From that "point of view", we can see what are the best conditions to incarnate taking into account what we have to learn this time around.

Do I make sense?

Donald

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by feeler

In terms of the mechanics of re-incarnation, milk and honey, do you buy into the concept/story of the "soul collector"* as described by John Lear?

*A moon based container that traps the souls who decide to joint the light at the end of the tunnel shortly after the separation from the body.

Thanks.

-feeler

Not really feeler. I see the lunar "soul catcher" myth as an attempt to invalidate countless 'OBE' and 'NDE' experiences with the light. In one fell swoop it also attempts to discredit every spiritual teaching that has ever been given which describes the true nature of the light and our relationship to it.

Obviously it also tries to confuse us before we crossover at 'death' so that our doubt and fear of the light will provoke us to shy away from it. You will find a similar attempt in Kyle Griffith's book "War in Heaven" though i don't recall if, in his cosmology, the dreaded "soul collector" is likewise found on the moon. He does suggest that the light is merely a fly trap to bring the unwary soul under the domination of the dreaded 'theocrats' so it can be forced back into incarnation... over and over again.

All said, it's a pretty ambitious lie in my opinion.

Another obvious problem with that is it sidesteps the real reasons for re-incarnation (which i mentioned yesterday) by substituting a mechanism of entrapment and compulsion by dark astral beings to serve their own interests -- as if it were the sole reason for re-incarnation -- rather than it being a karmic necessity of the law to balance our 'accounts' on earth through service to those we have harmed in prior relationships.

Yes, either way there is compulsion. But the law compels re-incarnation for errant souls (with merciful guidance) so that we can learn our lessons and rise above our karmic necessities thereby transcending the law and the re-incarnational loop. Conversely, i'm sure most of us know, the false hierarchy re-inforces that loop by attempting to decieve us into making bad decisions (by offering us false choices in this world and the next) which keep us ignorant of the law and perpetually re-incarnating. The attempt to inculcate a fear of the spiritual light is just one of those deceptions which could convince some souls to remain in a state ignorance by poor decision making thus keeping them earth bound.

I won't believe only my eyes when i cross-over but i will act on intuition with whatever appears to me. If i am being drawn from within to an irresistable light beyond i will go to it because I AM already identifying it. That is the surest way to prepare for a journey through the "far country".

Even if an attempt to entrap some of us happens on the moon, the test would be nothing to fear if preparation is made. The light certainly is not to be feared. After 'death' (but preferably before) our souls can recognise the inner pull of the spiritual light beyond because first and foremost it is within and can be awakened now. That light is the captain of the ship and capable of safely navigating through the higher realms. Without it, all is darkness and confusion.

Because our souls originate in the light of spirit we can know -- even now -- the magnetic attraction of the greater- Self within which is the light of spiritual being. Whether in this body or in a more subtle body beyond 'death's door', we can be powerfully drawn to that light; so we would be well served (and better servants of the light in each other) if we will cultivate a conscious awareness of it before we die. That is the message of all true spiritual teachers and all religion.

As Jesus said: "The kingdom of heaven (the consciousness of God) is within you"

And John wrote:

"That is the true light which lighteth every man (every man-ifestation of spirit)
that cometh into the world"


As Buddha said to his disciple:

"Oh Ananda, be ye lamps (light) unto yourselves
Be of refuge to yourselves (in the light of truth within)
Betake yourselves to no external refuge (the "kingdom" is within you)
Hold fast to that (inner) truth as a lamp
Hold fast as a refuge (within) to the truth
Work out your own salvation (self-elevation) with diligence"


The dark astral entities fear those of us who are connected to all that, so, in propagating false myths about the 'light' they are trying to poison our minds against a most natural union of our soul to spirit in the now.

So, the idea that entrapments are employed by the false hierarchy in the physical and astral planes is obviously based on truth. But whether or not the moon is a charnel house for duped souls is not the main question is it. They're using that story to serve up a bigger lie right here on earth and that is that we should fear the light and shun it. I can safely say that knowing the interior light is the surest way to identify an objective manifestation of that same light in this world and beyond, before and after 'death'.

The christ- consciousness is intelligent white light and is expressed as 7 rays through 7 open doors within us. Each chakra can be a beacon of spiritual light and an aspect of divine intelligence which can literally transform ourselves and change the world.

[Gnosis5]

The only beings who have nothing to fear from spiritual traps are those beings who have never trapped spiritual beings and then perceived it was not optimum and then applied the incorrect "solution".

Whenever Hubby has a session where he was caught in a brightly lighted "flytrap" we find the corresponding incident where he did something similar. It is only a trap in that sense. If we all lightened up it would only be a fun game.

"To the pure all things are pure" -- Jesus

[Gnosis5]

A poem from The Wingmaker's website:



Compassion

Angels must be confused by war.
Both sides praying for protection,
yet someone always gets hurt.
Someone dies.
Someone cries so deep
they lose their watery state.

Angels must be confused by war.
Who can they help?
Who can they clarify?
Whose mercy do they cast to the merciless?
No modest scream can be heard.
No stainless pain can be felt.
All is clear to angels
except in war.

When I awoke to this truth
it was from a dream I had last night.
I saw two angels conversing in a field
of children's spirits rising
like silver smoke.
The angels were fighting among themselves
about which side was right
and which was wrong.
Who started the conflict?

Suddenly, the angels stilled themselves
like a stalled pendulum,
and they shed their compassion
to the rising smoke
of souls who bore the watermark of war.
They turned to me with those eyes
from God's library,
and all the pieces fallen
were raised in unison,
coupled like the breath
of flames in a holy furnace.

Nothing in war comes to destruction,
but the illusion of separateness.
I heard this spoken so clearly I could only
write it down like a forged signature.
I remember the compassion,
mountainous, proportioned for the universe.
I think a tiny fleck still sticks to me
like gossamer threads
from a spider's web.

And now, when I think of war,
I flick these threads to the entire universe,
hoping they stick on others
as they did me.
Knitting angels and animals
to the filamental grace of compassion.
The reticulum of our skyward home.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

You will find a similar attempt in Kyle Griffith's book "War in Heaven" though i don't recall if, in his cosmology, the dreaded "soul collector" is likewise found on the moon. He does suggest that the light is merely a fly trap to bring the unwary soul under the domination of the dreaded 'theocrats' so it can be forced back into incarnation... over and over again.

milk and honey, thank you for the wonderful reply. There is also Lawrence R. Spencer's book "Alien Interview" which warns us not to go into the light. The 9 customer reviews at Amazon reveal some of the fallacies in this misinfo attempt.

I asked you this tough question because I find your analysis on Miriam Delicado's interview very solid and insightful.

Thank you.



-feeler

[milk and honey]

You're very welcome feeler. I hadn't heard of "Alien Interview" but there is definately a pusch to divorce us from the wisdom teachings of the past and the adepts who gave them to us. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised if the chorus is getting louder from the pit.

I'll at least read the reviews you mentioned if not the book.

And likewise, your own BS meter was well tuned on the Mirriam D thread.

Thankyou 2

[Chris1617]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Hi, Chris, would you detail your transformation experience? Thank you.

Gnosis5

Hello Gnosis5,

I have posted something on this at a new thread "WingMakers Transformation" under the main thread "Spirituality."

Chris

[Gnosis5]

Thank you, Chris. Moderator can delete my WingMakers thread, please.

cheers!
Gnosis