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I entered into this discussion to point out some of the eyebrow-raising positions some of these sources take; positions regarding issues like homosexuality and the idea that a benevolent Federation ship is going to rescue the chosen ones from the cataclysmic events on the horizon. If labeling a particular group of individuals resonates with you, drive on. For me, I have to say that anything division-inducing doesn't resonate so well. And if it doesn't resonate so well, I'm apt to question a lot of what's been offered from that source. As for the idea that a force outside of ourselves is going to save us...again, it excuses personal responsibility. For those of us who have digested a considerable amount of information (from a host of authors) I think it's becoming more of an unanimous conclusion that at this juncture in our collective experience - that it's all about personal responsibility. So far, I haven't heard you address either one of these things. We're not going to change our political climate by protesting anything. We're not going to be making a huge difference by fighting anything. And we're certainly not progressing by waiting for a messiah to make everything all better. This is about us doing the work as individuals - to strip away the layers of programming that have sought to divide us and limit us - so that we may return to ONE. Anything that seeks to divide or place the responsibility upon the shoulders of another (with whatever technique) is disempowering IMHO and I felt compelled to point out these things to whoever will hear. Way over the line? Nothing to do with the topic of this thread? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the point of all of the discussions in Avalon to arrive at the truth, however transient they may be? If I launched into a purposed plan of action because of a single article that I found on a website that many others have concluded to be a disinformation site, I'd EXPECT the participants who genuinely love me, and you (and themselves!) to point it out to me. I have no attachment to any idea or information. It's all STUFF. There is no gospel. Everything we need to know is right under our noses! Anything that tries to convince us that it's outside of ourselves is suspect. I see a lot of people desperately holding on to one idea or another because they're so terrified of being wrong about something. Who cares?! Right and wrong, liberal or conservative....don't you see the greater picture of division? I want to be wrong about yesterday's truth because then, and only then will I be free to grasp the next, greater, more encompassing version of the truth. You were right when you said that there's a little bit of truth in everything. Unfortunately, that's the formula by which disinformation is disseminated. I mean you no ill-will, Sanat and I don't need to be the guy with all the answers. There's no ego involved in this for me, I have no website to promote and I don't want a title of any kind. I want us to reclaim our power and fix our world. This happens by all of us letting go of our attachment to philosophies that are proving themselves to be lacking. Science has already been doing this very thing in recent years, going back to supposed foundations of fact, in order to follow a new path - because the old one has proven itself to be flawed. New truths are being revealed daily. It's all moving so fast. We need to be a fluid as the rate in which its' increasing. That's all. I wish all love and light. recallone |
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yes, discussion is the point. But that does not include accusing, and personal attack and abusive tone/language. I am sorry to see that you seem to be unable to control these impulses in your self. Contribute with arguments and all is fine. Personally I see all info as a "working hypothesis" at all times (including what I have posted on my webiste). All is subject to change. But again, it's fun to speculate and listen to different sources. There are no "answers" to be had. It's all a dance, so let's make it a beautiful dance and not an ugly one...
If you are in opposition to anyone/anything you are coming from duality/ego/mind -> conflict/affliction. If you see truth in all things and in everyone you are coming from Heart/Oneness -> Peace. All philosophies and all info is "lacking". There will never be a "true" doctrine of any kind (the closest we can come to that is probably Bashar's four laws of creation). But still there is truth in everything that exists, as there is also distortion in everything that exists. I am not asking anyone to believe in anything at all. People take whatever resonates for them at that time, and they don't need anyone to babysit them in doing that in my opinion. You don't see me attacking people, creating conflict, using faul language and spreading false/vicious accusations towards others. If you want to "reclaim your power and fix the world" start with your own behavior towards others. You inspire by example, not by force. Love, Sanat Last edited by Sanat; 12-09-2008 at 04:18 PM. |
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http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin...cgi?read=14716
It was a wonderful thread that Sanat had going until it seemed to get derailed. If the literature that Sanat refers to is the new world religion. I have a few questions. Where's the earthquakes? Where's the fake alien invasion? Where's project Blue Beam? Where's the Anti-christ? Hopefully we can get this train back on the rails. |
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Thanks for your effort towards getting things "back on track" here. We are all trying to contribute what we have to offer. No more and no less. I appreciate very much to see what others think of these things. So thanks a lot to all that is following and contributing to this thread! Love, Sanat |
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Fake alien invasion is in progress. Cant you see all the propaganda? Project Blue Beam is already being used. Look at Disclose tv for videos. Anti Christ is laughing at how well its plan is going. |
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We are always moving through space. New time streams are created every time an observer changes directions. How to Navigate the Streams of Time Through Hyperspace Diamond - - [ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ]A diamond is a transparent crystal of tetrahedrally bonded carbon atoms and crystallizes into the face centered cubic diamond lattice structure. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond - 158k - Beholding God Face to Face -- - [ Seeing God in All Things ]Keith has shared with us some of your correspondence with him concerning meeting God "Panim el panim", or face to face; and you asked him for the ... http://www.greaterthings.com/Essays/...ace/index.html - 68k - Panim - Welkom Deze site is in zekere zin de voortzetting van het blad ‘Panim’. ‘Panim’ werd uitgegeven in de periode van 1994-2002. ‘Panim’ betekent zowel gezicht als ... www.panim.nl/ - 10k - Diamond Structure - [ Vertaal deze pagina ]22 Feb 2001 ... At left is the diamond structure in a different orientation showing the tetrahedral structure a bit more clearly. As above, carbon atoms at ... http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/petrolgy/...0Structure.HTM - 4k - Ra-b-bit -------------- the heaven h8064 שמים sha-m-ayim (sum-maya-im) bAck 2 Da... --------- [was] upon the face h6440 פנים paniym of the deep. h8415 תהום tĕhowm And the Spirit h7307 רוח r-u-wach of God h430 אלהים 'elohiym moved h7363 רחף rachaph upon h5921 על `al the face h6440 פנים paniym of the waters. h4325 מים mayim http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible...1&t=KJV#conc/2 PANim al Mayim http://www.blueletterbible.org/isbe/isbe.cfm?id=3342 Diamond Structure--phychembio.com/centralblog/07/diamond http://johnblog.phychembio.com/?p=303 This means literally that the aggregate of solar atomic matter will eventually vibrate to another key than it did at the first dawn of manifestation EH 421..... 55 421 ( A - 11th ? octave) just A la under AV F ://sound-- Last edited by idunno; 12-09-2008 at 06:14 PM. Reason: psyberplasm (sum-maya-im) |
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Here is another thread on 2012 which contains a lot of interesting stuff to consider. It is more focused on science/astronomy side of it than this thread. Nice to see things from different angles:
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Hey Folks, have just had a quick skim through the posts on this one. It surely is a sticky! Maybe this is the time to recall some of my own experiences that ultimatley led me to Project Avalon. Throughout my years the words "there is something else going on" have cropped up fairly repeatedly. As to what that something else is, well I'm sure 100 people will quite happily line up in front of you and recount their ideas. I have let some of those 100(many more no doubt!!) recount their ideas and yet I go on looking. In some respects certain things are firming up as pretty immutable(only to me, mind) however there are still many unknowns out there. Probably the most interesting revelations have come via the sharing of space/time with various crystals. I am very fortunate to be looking after a particular piece that upon meditating with it I literally melt into the entire universe. All of the experiences along the way have stemmed from my own curiosity and inner drive. Many books have been read, discussed, disemminated but I feel I have learnt the most by reading my own book. I dont profess to be a great writer, am certainly a two-fingered typer, and only pop in here now and again; nonetheless I am drawn here. to what end, my friends
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David Wilcock new free podcast/mp3 on 2012 with a summary article of science to back up his claims:
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This should give us a lot of "food for thought" and things to discuss on this thread... Even if you don't "like" David, you cannot deny that he comes up with a lot of interesting stuff and a lot of it is rooted in science (russian research mostly). Let's keep the discussion about the material, and not so much about the person.
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Have you watched the Nassim Haramein videos, Sanat?
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I agree with the quote that we do not need to dwell on the negative.
I also believe that the people with higher frequencies will be spared the worst of which is to come. I find myself listening to the news but I am not really affected by it. I hardly ever watch TV anymore. Astralwalker has put together a very intense thread on the physical aspects of what is to come. He puts a lot of the pieces together. Lately I find myself looking upwards to the beauty of the stars, and having an overwhelmingly warm feeling. Compare this to listening to the news, and how such and such is going bankrupt or conflicts in the middle east. Something else I have been thinking about is the fact that as our DNA changes in the next 4 years, we are to become more telepathic. With that in mind it is probably not important that everyone has a full grasp on all of this research, as long as some of us do. If people can read our minds therefore all which we are learning will be available to them if they want to know it! Sanat, I would recommend for you to research and listen to William Henry. He has some very interesting info as far as 2012 and "morphing" as he calls it. http://www.williamhenry.net/ http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...3221#post93221 |
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"If you are not sure, do not get “friendly” with any entity before the beams from the galactic center arrives.
There is a possibility, that on the astral plane, huge ships will be parked, with a plan to use their advanced technology to trap as many consciousness they can. The same consciousness that were previously in human bodies, and then to cut their awareness, to put them in dream like awareness so they will not know what is going on, (believe that they have technology and the skills to do that) and then to put them inside the energetic containers, then transported to other systems and finally to put them in other bodies so the manipulation and the explanation of the generated energy field called aura which is result of the fusing of our consciousness with the energies in the surrounding space, can continue" Astralwalker wrote this in his thread. It made me think of the Operation Terra material because it mentions that some will be taken aboard ship for their transformation to the 4th dimension. The Ra material, the Handbook by George Green, and David Wilcock's material point to no motherships. This may be a very important thing to consider. Perhaps our earlier discussions about the new world religion means both sides of the argument are correct. This would imply that there is a tug of war for our soul energy. Therefore I would be concerned about the OT material. I feel only we can save ourselves. In summary my research tells me 1) Pleiadians = good (here to guide not save) 2) Orions/ sirius group are here to deceive therefore = bad. Last edited by micjer; 12-11-2008 at 10:06 PM. |
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I liked his personality too.
He seems to have a pretty down-to-earth approach to physics. I like the fact that he's followed his own intellectual instincts and curiosities rather than had too many instilled into him. I found it amusing that he always sat by the door at school in preparation for being told to leave the classroom |
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I think by far the majority of the ET's are here to guide/help/assist. I also believe we are our own "saviors". Saving oneself is about raising the level of Consciousness, and not so much about being "rescued" physically. Whatever happens at the peak of the experience I would think everyone goes where they are supposed to go, and they go in the manner they are supposed to go there. I don't think any negative alien will be allowed to "kidnap" anyone or any soul. This process is being watched over by the whole Galaxy and beyond. The planet is surrounded by StO ET's assisting in any way they can at all times.
According to different sources (Matthew for example) it has been decided that the Planet and the Human race will not be allowed to destroy itself before the Harvest/Ascension (as was the case with Atlantis and many earlier civilizations as I have understood it). This means that the ET's have permission to interfere to make sure that we make it through the whole experience (no serious WMD's (like nukes) allowed, or at least their effectiveness is extremely reduced like is the case with a lot of bio-weapons released (bird flu etc)). They also take the edge of a lot of the earth changes which would have been much more severe without their assistance. There is plenty of witness testimony from former military personell etc. talking about how UFO's intervened and disabled missles in midair, and even whole nuke missile silo complexes has been stopped from functioning by a UFO hoovering visible over the complex (as to send an important message to us all that this will not be allowed). There will be "minor" earth changes like we are already seeing and probably more severe ones, and also "smaller" outbreaks of riot/war etc. But nothing all over massive global armageddon/cataclysmic before the Harvest/Ascension the way I see it. Last edited by Sanat; 12-12-2008 at 11:03 AM. |
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Nassim's "unified field" approach is a great effort in that direction. Same about all the stuff that Wilcock has put together in his free ebooks based on russian science (very similar to what Nassim talks about on all levels). Love is the organizing principle of the UNI-verse. We are all 99.9% Space/Consciousness/Love, which means we are only separated by the illusion created by the remaining 0.01%. But that 0.01% sure knows how to make a lot of noise on the backdrop of the 99.9% Silence/Peace. A wave can rage and fume for all eternity, it can furiously raise its foaming fist towards the heavens, it can throw itself with mighy force against the cliffs, it can slam its back against the shore again and again, but when it gets tired of all this, it can simply relax into the Ocean again, and be One with the essence of its Genesis. |
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Yes I am convinced that they are watching and protecting us. I have watched the discovery project video with Steven Greer.
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I've read a fair amount of this thread, but I suppose my reaction is: it seems common sense that the year 2012 will likely be a year just like any other, at least visibly. 1967 was supposed to be a big year, harmonic convergence, the start of acquarius energy, or whatever it was called, but it was a year like any other. There were certainly energies which were very significant - the summer of love, showing activism and desire for change could be powerful. But it was nothing near apocalytic.
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In the book The Sun Also Rises, Hemingway paints a scenario where one of the key characters, Mike Campbell, is asked, "How did you go bankrupt?" His response is: "Gradually ... then suddenly." "Gradually... then suddenly". This is how I see the whole Ascension process happening. The StO ET's have been working towards this Harvest for thousands of years already. Trying to maximize the positive Harvest. Untold numbers of Wanderers have incarnated upon this planet with important missions to serve mankind (contributing with great art/philosophy/science etc). The process can be visualized as an exponential curve, and we are very close to the point where that curve will shoot straight up into eternity. "Normal" spiritual growth up the ladder of Consciousness also happens suddenly/spontaniously in leaps and bounds. One cannot "do" Love/Expansion/growth after all. But one can gradually prepare the ground and maximize the probability for it happening by practicing "spirituality/meditation" etc. These great Cycles leading up to a Great Harvest are thus gradually preparing the grounds for a whole Planet to take the sudden leap (theoretically we could perhaps say that if everything went "perfectly" it would be a 100% positive Harvest). However, in actual reality each individuals "free will" can retard/delay its own progress, and thus the Harvest is a mixed one like what we now face. Quote:
Those going to the new 3rd density Earth plane will benefit greatly from this Ecstatic experience, and it will probably be a great inspiration (even if they do not remember it "consciously" it will work and inspire on a deeper level) to many people as they get a "fresh start" there. I also follow David in that many people will be taken to "midway stations" before going to the 4th density Earth plane. Many Wanderers will simply return to their respective families/realms when their mission here is over. Not all Wanders will go to the new 4th density as many are already of higher densities than that. Aiming to "survive" 2012 as so many people seem to be doing, is to miss the point and opportunity in my opinion. Trying to "survive life" is based upon a deep misunderstanding of what life is about. Love and gratitude, Sanat Last edited by Sanat; 12-13-2008 at 11:07 AM. |
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In the Buddhist tradition they have the Diamond Sutra (cuts like a diamond they say). This is a beautiful dialogue between Buddha and his most advanced disciple, Subhuti, who is a Buddha himself. The curious thing is that in one question this Subhuti asks about us(!) and this period in time. I find this rather interesting and curious so I will quote it here:
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The free ebook(s) from David Wilcock is very interesting and provides a scientific basis/understanding for 2012 and much more. Below is a quote:
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- It seeks to limit the present choice of religious and spiritual quests by central decrees. It aims to determine what is allowable teachings and practices and the rest will be banned and persecuted. - It seeks to be equally dumbing as the present world religions in their most biased an narrow forms, and it seeks to do this by 'sanitizing' what will be portrayed as a messy and in-fighting religious world scene by promoting and parading 'their' choice of 'certified' world teachers. - It seeks to limit what scientific facts are allowed to impact religious and spiritual views and practices. Therefore it threatens scientific freedom as well. - It aims at steering the presentation of extraterrestrial life by presenting them either as - our creator gods - all good - all bad - superior to us The view that extraterrestrials simply are our sisters and brothers, and an equal mix of good and bad, tricksters and truth-tellers, that will broaden our view of what reality is, is threatening to the idea of centralized power. - It will seek to ban channelings by labelling it as dangerous disinformation when the real objective is to limit the 'competition' to centralized power. Channeling is granted tricky, only a small percent might be 'true' imparting of information from a genuine, free source, the rest hidden mind control. But the small percentage that IS true is of vital importance as a corrective to all currently established religions and even more so if religious freedom is revoked and replaced with centralized decrees. - Project Blue Beam is a program that has been developed with the purpose of launching a new world religion. (It may be googled.) It includes plans for fake apparitions and religious 'shows' such as 'second comings'. An enormous amount of money has been sunk into this program which includes all kinds of technological props such as laser shows. A fake alien invasion is one of the possible alternative strategies. Last edited by Josefine; 12-31-2008 at 06:28 PM. |
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A corrupt but impeccably presented "priesthood" will try to call the shots over the rest of us. They will simply redefine / re-brand the same old doctrine and it's heresies to appeal to the same old state of consciousness. This can very easily be done even while telling us simultaneously that the GodSelf is within. The emphases will be placed in the spiritual doctrine to dovetail it as seamlessly as possible with state doctrine. Bottom line: there is no place for an individual with a mind of his/her own. In fact, there is no such thing as an individual. That is how you will be silenced when it matters. Are you going to stand in the way of the common interest? "We don't care where you think your ideas come from. Just let go of those crumbling old ideas and get on board for the common good. We know better than you because our spiritual celebrities are inspired from a higher place than you are..... Believe, Hope, Change" "And remember: Individual / Schmindischmidual." The people of this world are very practised at jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. Last edited by milk and honey; 12-27-2008 at 05:12 AM. |
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