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Old 11-16-2008, 08:29 PM   #1
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I have often wondered if this may have been the area where a man made star gate was built.
Dan Burisch commented in his interviews that many of these man made star gates were erected around the world.
I have often wondered if this was the true meaning of the Iraq war?http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7729064.stm

Iraq's damaged Babylon hopes for revival

By Andrew North
BBC News, Babylon, Iraq

A replica of the Ishtar Gate dominates the entrance to Babylon's ruins
Beneath a patch of stony, desert ground on the River Euphrates, surrounded by date palms, many of the secrets of the cradle of civilisation are still waiting to be uncovered.

But the site of ancient Babylon in Iraq - with its legendary hanging gardens and the Tower of Babel reaching to the sky - has suffered under Saddam Hussein's rule and years of conflict.

Parts have been looted, altered or built on, and some of the historic soil has even been used by US coalition soldiers to fill sandbags.

Iraq's former ruler left the biggest mark, recreating his own version of Babylon on top of some of the original ruins, parts of which date back more than 4,000 years.

Today, the site itself is peaceful, almost forgotten, with only a few sleepy guards and the manager there to greet us when we arrive.

It is 85km (55 miles) south of Baghdad. But getting there means passing through one of the most dangerous parts of Iraq - the so-called "triangle of death" just beyond the capital.

It is a bit quieter now, with Iraqi army and police checkpoints every mile in places.

Andrew North takes a tour of the ruins.

'Substantial damage'

In the UK, an exhibition just opened at the British Museum in London on Babylon and the myths that surround it.

Many experts question, for example, whether the hanging gardens really existed.

But the exhibition has put the city's story back in the limelight.

The museum has also focused attention on what it says is "substantial damage" caused by US and Polish troops who had a base here until 2005.

We have many important historical sites here, but still only a quarter of the area has been excavated

Maythem Shahid
In pictures: Ancient Babylon
Audio Slideshow: 'Babylon' - myth and reality

One patch of flat ground we saw had been concreted over to serve as a helicopter landing pad.

A fuel store was carved out of the soil nearby - disturbing key evidence of the past before it could be explored, archaeologists complain.

The Americans say their presence helped to deter looters.

But manager Maythem Shahid, working with the UN's heritage organisation Unesco, says he is pressing for compensation.

What you first see when you arrive is a large replica of the city's Ishtar Gate, commissioned by Saddam Hussein.

Beyond are a series of courtyards and arches, surrounded by high walls and ramparts - his version of the palace of King Nebuchadnezzar II, who ruled Babylon in the 6th century BC.

It is built along the outline of the original ruins, and at the base you can still see some of the old bricks.

But Saddam Hussein went further, inscribing his name on many of the bricks.

"This was built by Saddam Hussein, son of Nebuchadnezzar, to glorify Iraq," they read.

But he did also protect some parts of the site, such as the main avenue known as the Procession Street.


I first visited Babylon while Saddam Hussein was still in power, in 2000.

At the time, there was a huge portrait of him and Nebuchadnezzar at the entrance to the ruins.

That has gone now, but the huge palace Saddam Hussein had constructed on another part of the ruins still looks down on the site.

"Don't photograph that building," the minder with me at the time instructed, without saying what it was. He was terrified even to look at it.

Eventually, when we were alone, he whispered that he did not agree with what had been done here - a fleeting moment of rebellion against his then ruler's megalomania.

Today, site manager Mr Shahid can be more open, condemning the desecration.

The main ruins you can see now are of Nebuchadnezzar's northern palace, some 2,600 years old, and parts of the old city walls.

Saddam Hussein had a statue of a lion killing a man, which was found there, set up on a plinth nearby.

It was Nebuchadnezzar who is supposed to have built the hanging gardens for his wife. The story goes that she was from the mountains, but living in this desert city, she missed the sight of greenery.

Saddam Hussein's new palace walls line what remains of Procession Street

Perhaps the real story is still there underground.

Mr Shahid hopes that one day, proper archaeological exploration will resume.

"We have many important historical sites here," he says, "but still only a quarter of the area has been excavated."

Its importance, and that of the many other ancient sites in Iraq, cannot be overestimated.

Long before there were any towns or cities in Europe, Babylon was thriving.

Modern civilisation as we know it now - built around organised, planned cities - first emerged in what is now Iraq.

Before that, humans had only lived as nomads.

Mr Shahid says he hopes Babylon can regain its World Heritage status - removed because of Saddam Hussein's alterations - and eventually re-open to visitors.

But at the moment, the shutters on the old souvenir shop I remember from 2000 are still down.
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Old 11-16-2008, 08:39 PM   #2
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Star Gates?

You mean the SciFi channel broadcasts documentary's instead of SciFi soaps?

Wow, There must be a Lexx out there, with a gay robot head, a dead assassin, a clumsy mechanic and a love slave? After all I saw it with my own lying eyes on TV.
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Old 11-16-2008, 09:48 PM   #3
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Old 11-17-2008, 06:41 AM   #4
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Star Gates?
You mean the SciFi channel broadcasts documentary's instead of SciFi soaps?

In the company credits for the TV Series we find some very interesting references...

Other Companies

* Act One Script Clearance Inc. script research
* David Cowan Enterprises Inc. computer engineering
* Department of the Air Force we gratefully acknowledge the cooperation of
* Energy Film stock footage
* Gastown Post and Transfer post-production services
* Rainmaker Digital Pictures post-production services
* Sharpe Sound Studios Inc. re-recorded by
* Stargate SG-1 Productions Limited Partnership production services provided by
* U.S. Department of Defense we gratefully acknowledge the cooperation of
* U.S. Space Command we gratefully acknowledge the cooperation of

THREE government agencies involved in the program, the Air Force, Space Command and the DoD...


Episode 512

For our presentation the important part of the script is clipped below, right after General Hammond shows the team the episode...

Hammond switches the tape off.

Well that looked familiar.

I don't see it.

Martin's involved in this?

He sold the idea to the studio. He's currently working on production as a creative consultant.

Then Martin Lloyd has seriously breached your security.

Not necessarily.

What? He obviously got the whole thing from his knowledge of the Stargate program.

If the Air Force didn't want it to happen they wouldn't have let it go this far.

Plausible deniability. In the event of a future breach of security, we'll be able to point to this television programme. That is, if it stays on the air.

Still doesn't change the fact that Marty sold us out.

His motivations are of little concern at the moment. Our first priority is to find out everything he knows about that ship. Colonel, you're Wormhole X-treme's new Air Force consultant.


In the Air Force Space Commands Press Release... After the point of contact... there is an interesting reference...


Missile warning and space operations were combined to form Air Force Space Command in 1982. During the Cold War, space operations focused on missile warning, and command and control for national leadership. In 1991, Operation Desert Storm provided emphasis for the command's new focus on support to the warfighter. ICBM forces were merged into AFSPC in 1993.

Point of contact

Air Force Space Command
Public Affairs Office
150 Vandenberg St., Suite 1105
Peterson AFB, CO 80914-4500

(719) 554-3731 or DSN 692-3731

In Popular Culture

In the popular TV series Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis, the Stargate Program is run by the Air Force Space Command. The AF Space Command Patch was worn on the uniform of personnel aboard the Prometheus, Earth's first operational deep space battle cruiser.


Richard Dean Anderson was made an honorary brigadier general by the Air Force chief of staff. ust in case anyone is interested, here is Richard Dean Anderson at the Pentagon in 2004 being honoured by the USAF.

In the below photo we can see General John Jumper giving Anderson the honourary General stars.

In an official statement from the Pentagon, a spokesperson commented:

"The Air Force was extremely honored to have Richard Dean Anderson visit the Pentagon on 14 September. During his visit he graciously took the time to sign autographs and have photos taken with anyone that asked, he was a true professional. We are very proud of his portrayal of Colonel, now Brigadier General, Jack OíNeill. Gen. OíNeill may at times be brash and irreverent, but there is no doubt of his patriotism and dedication to his job. We also congratulate Mr. Anderson on his promotion to 'Honorary Brigadier General - USAF.' "

Notice that Richard is also being presented with Air Force Wings. This puts an interesting slant on the fact that Lt Col O'Neill (Richard Anderson) is the producer of Stargate- SG-1.

Photo courtesy of US Air Force


In another curious twist... one of the THREE MEN who own the mineral rights to the moon is named... Lt Col O'Neill


So go ahead and laugh it up, laughing boy. You here it from the whistle blowers yet still you doubt.

Look in your history book how many times the DoD has used Hollywood to 'handle' information
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Just one more note...

Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin were sued by an Egyptology student for allegedly stealing the storyline as the student had submitted the story to them about ten years before the movie was made (they "rejected" the story at the time). The plaintiff had a respected Egyptologist from Johns Hopkins University vouch for him, since he had put his own theories into the story. The only differences between the story and the movie are slight name variations. The issue was finally settled out of court.

As the case was settled out of court calls to the University meet with "No comment" In a way it is sad that this happened, as I would really have loved to interview the student and the professor.


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Old 11-17-2008, 07:02 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by Jacqui D View Post
I have often wondered if this was the true meaning of the Iraq war?

Seeking ancient Technology? Maybe

The digs at UR are next to an Air Base where we are stationed

Here is UR

Here is the Air Base

Here are the Marines taking the Ziggurat at UR...

Nippur - King of the Hill

Baghdad Museum The new guardian of the gate

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The New Archeologists

JIACG Recovers Treasures of Nimrud

Melted down treasures...

Nimrud's Crown...

Gold lust in the eyes...

Who is JIACG?

JIACG - Joint Interagency Coordination Group

A safe taken from a Baath Party controlled building is blown open by an American specialist team now working in southern Iraq. Now the military campaign is nearing its end, the hunt for proof of Saddam Hussein's guilt is intensifying. The search has started in Iraq's only deep water port, Umm Qasr. The thinking is clear - developing nuclear, biological or chemical weapons programs would have required technical equipment imported from the US, Europe, Japan, Russia or China, and the paper trail is likely to start here. In amongst phones and office equipment are files, ledger books and floppy disks taken away for analysis.

Blowing the safe ripped the hinges from the doors. This is the operations room of the Joint Interagency Coordination Group, JIACG for short. This is part of a team of 80 now deployed across the region and drawn from agencies with expertise in counterterrorism, weapons of mass destruction and sanctions busting. 25 are drawn from the US Department of Defense, military intelligence and nuclear, biological and chemical weapons experts. But 55 out of the 80 are non-military, undercover customs investigators and the CIA. 'News Night' understands that British intelligence officers from MI6 are part of the team. We agreed to disguise the identity of some operatives while filming this report. The JIACG intelligence team has never been filmed before. US Central Command gave 'News Night' access partly to prove to the Iraqi people that the coalition is intent on finding evidence against the dictator and those countries which broke sanctions imposed after the last Gulf War. This man, known simply as 'Chief', is a senior member of the team.

DoD photo by Helene C. Stikkel (Released)

Colonel Matthew Bogdanos, USMC, conducts a Pentagon press briefing on Sept. 10, 2003. Bogdano, the leader of the team investigating the looting of Iraqi antiquities during Operation Iraqi Freedom, discusses his findings.

But hey now... we are only in Iraq to keep the piece... its NOT a War, remeber? We are NOT AT WAR WITH IRAQ....

That's why its called Operation Iraqi Freedom

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Old 11-17-2008, 05:40 PM   #8
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Ty Zorgon, just love yer Stargate info...
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Old 11-20-2008, 06:36 AM   #9
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Nice post. I think i just entered thru a star gate. Hmmm...doesn't earth look like a star gate below?

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Old 11-20-2008, 07:50 AM   #10
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"Star gates" = very real.
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Old 12-05-2008, 02:52 AM   #11
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In the company credits for the TV Series we find some very interesting references...

As O'Neil once said, 'there are no coincidences'; well perhaps a few.
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