Seeking opinions on David Wilcock's credibility

[Luke Holiday]

Hello

I have been an avid follower of Mr. Wilcock for over a decade - I follow the blog, bought all the products, read all the books, been to the weekend seminars and have watched all the DW Gaiam content. I find DW to be one of greatest communicators of universal truths both scientific and spiritual on the planet today; hence I am perplexed at the recent criticism of his association with Mr. Goode and Mr. Emery espoused by Bill and forum members

I realize that DW is human and I have major issues with his ignorant criticism of David Icke's work, the ridiculous crying episode on Kerry's radio which just happened to coincide with the release of his book " The Source Field Investigations." and I was also disappointed with his recent shameless name drop of the open lucifarian Steven Tyler.

But now the recent push back regarding the aforementioned "insiders" has me seriously questioning his integrity, motives and future intentions.

My delimna is as follows:

1. If Bill is correct in his assessment of Mr. Goode and Mr Emery this would mean that David is complicit in the deception and is likely comprimised as a source of SSP information. ( I agree with Richard Dolan - what he is delivering is not INTEL or testimony - it is simply information as it has no proof attatched).

2. I am a successful dowser and when I use this tool to evaluate the situation I begrudgingly come up with DW being intentionally deceptive regarding important aspects of the CG and ES information.

3. DW's deception is somewhat upsetting as I am deeply connected/attatched to DW's body of work. The reason I am upset is, I have invested a lot of time, effort, energy studying the incredible body of work and want to believe that the source of that material is of high moral character.

If one preaches the prominence of being in service to others then that person is obliged to act in accord in order to be considered worthy of being heard.

My questions are for Only forum members who have studied DW's work and are as follows:

1. I would like your honest opinion of DW's credibility in light of the CG and ES deception.
2. How does or should this deception reflect upon the credibility of his future work?
3. Why is he being deceptive in regards to these aspects of the SSP?
4. Because DW is likely the biggest draw to Gaiam TV what does this deception convey regarding Gaiam's overall credibility?
5. What could DW do to regain credibility on subjects related to the SSP and other future projects?
6. Is DW still a member of this forum?

Blessings and thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dr. Luke Holiday NMD

[Bill Ryan]

Thanks for the questions! :thumbsup:

If you click on Advanced Search (at the top right of any page) — or, just click here for the link —


http://projectavalon.net/forum4/search.php

And enter Wilcock' as a search term for Thread Titles...

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... you'll get more threads than I can possibly list here. :)

Some of them have asked MUCH the same questions as you have, and there are MANY responses that you may find interesting.

[RunningDeer]

39 pages X 20 per page = 780 - 8 (on last page, i.e. pg. 39)
Total = 772 threads with David Wilcock and multiple posts within each thread.

That's a lot of DW.

http://avalonlibrary.net/paula/Dark-Journalist/David-Wilcock-threads.jpg

[we-R-one]

Listen I feel your pain! I've enjoyed a few of David's books myself. As an avid researcher, I was drawn to the scientific data he provided. I don't have time to walk 'the halls of science' so having access to his findings in a one stop shop via a book, was helpful and appreciated. I went to one of his weekend seminars long ago and enjoyed it immensely. I too am disappointed in his allegiance to this Corey Goode fantastical nonsense. I no longer spend time on his work, however if a book of his looked like it had enough significant scientific research I could be swayed to buy it(used of course). GAIA should be watched with caution, each program carefully scrutinized to the best of one's abilities. I have found ties to 'deep state' via the UNITED NATIONS and GAIA, enough to raise red flags having me think, wtf.....

I understand your frustration. Do the best you can to use discernment when dealing with David's work or anything on GAIA. At this point, imo, he leaves the impression he's sold his soul by aligning with the wrong kind of people. Why GAIA is pumping millions of dollars into the 'Corey Storey' is beyond me. It appears to be the same as Krab, spelled with a 'K'....'artificial' minus the intelligence, lmao.

[Mike]

Steven Tyler is a lucifarian?

I don't think David Wilcock was ever a member here.

I saw this phrase in print several years back: "willfully obtuse". There are many reasons to be willfully obtuse; it doesn't take too much imagination to think of a few. David Wilcock is a strange mix of mania, megalomania, intelligence, naivete, eloquence, ego, ambition, and stupidity. I don't know if he's been outright complicit in any deception, but I would certainly say he has been willfully obtuse.

I think he, and Gaia, have compartmentalized any doubt they must have in favor of ambition and ego. And money. In other words, they are adept at inventing excuses to justify their involvement so the show can go on. This is my armchair psychology.

It's easy to invent excuses when things are going well, when business is good.

When the train goes off the tracks, and it likely will at some point, my guess is that they will lose their ambition to self justify, and will maybe even be contrite (in the same disingenuous way all people who get caught doing something unscrupulous are). "We're only human", "we were only trying to help", "we're not perfect" ...we'll hear plenty of that and various other forms of victim-speak as they try to garner sympathy in hopes that they might have a second act somewhere down the line..

And they likely will have a second act. Maybe even a 3rd and a 4th. The alt community has a pretty poor memory. David Wilcock for example has made quite a few bold and *wrong* predictions. He desperately wants to be the 'I told you so' guy. No one paying their monthly fee over at Cosmic Disclosure seems to mind.

Here's the deal: aliens, conspiracy, disclosure, and so forth are a form of *escape* for many people...much in the same way so called reality tv is. THEY DON'T WANT THE TRUTH. THEY ARE TRYING TO ESCAPE REALITY, NOT ENGAGE IT. So when they are presented with anything to do with reality, they vigorously resist. This infotainment provides all the elements they need to stay occupied and distracted....and don't you dare take it away from us!

This is the phenomena I'm witnessing here with Goode, DW, Gaia, and all the rest of the idiots

[Mike]

I regret writing so much in my previous post, but I'll add this one small thing here...

My little 7 yr old niece will sometimes tell me to "be scary". So I will. I'll growl and make creepy faces and chase her around the house. She loves it. But there comes a point where she gets too scared, and isn't entirely sure if I'm playing anymore. So I'll drop the act, much to her relief. But within seconds she's smiling and jumping around and begging me to "be scary" again. In a matter of 60 seconds, she gets to feel a wide range of emotions she can't get any other way in such a short period of time: excitement, anticipation, the thrill of the chase, fear, and finally euphoric relief. At her core, she knows it's a game, but the feelings are very real.

What Goode and Gaia and Wilcock provide is the adult version of that.

It allows bored, intellectually lazy people to feel things they can't get anywhere else. It's like an addiction. It *is* an addiction. But for the thrill ride to work, they have to believe that it's all true, at least obliquely..like my niece does. When exposed to real truth, they get scared, and resist. They don't really want it all to *be* true, they want it to *feel* true just long enough to get their rocks off from the drama.

It's a weird mind game that Orwell should really be describing, not me.

Anyway, you asked about Wilcock's credibility, and I would counter that it's almost meaningless to the people that continue to support him. In fact, the more credible he became, the less useful he'd be to that crowd..for all the reasons I mentioned above. It would be bad for business for him to be credible..in the way that someone like Richard Dolan is credible. So there's no motivation for him or his supporters to change anything at all..

[Bill Ryan]

I should say something here personally. I used to know David quite well, when he was far less confident, much more measured and grounded, and far less egotistical.

In the last three years, he's done ufology (and the serious study of the Secret Space Program) a significant amount of damage. But I don't believe he'll ever be able to acknowledge that.

He has to be the guy who's right. And I've never known him once to admit being wrong.

If one searches all the threads on the Avalon forum discussing him (but there's quite a lot to search in!) one can find me pointing out a few things from time to time.

But a good, brief summary may be well represented in my recent post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101752-Cosmic-Disclosure-s-EMERY-SMITH-is-a-hoaxer.&p=1208263&viewfull=1#post1208263), where I replied:

~~~


It begs the question, is David this dumb to promote these hoaxers or is he willingly part of the problem too?


Both, in a sense. He's far too credulous, never fact-checks in any way worthy of the name, and so badly always wants to be the superstar hero bringing all this to public knowledge and recognition.

[Anchor]

> 1. I would like your honest opinion of DW's credibility in light of the CG and ES deception.

He is gullible. We all can be, but he seems to not do rigorous discernment.

We can all be tricked, and because he gets a big following, he is targeted for more trickery than most and he appears to have personality traits that make that easy.

> 2. How does or should this deception reflect upon the credibility of his future work?

Can't be good! Which I think is an objective of those manipulating the show. Ultimately I think we will forgive him once the game and the forces at play are more understood.


>3. Why is he being deceptive in regards to these aspects of the SSP?

Loaded question, especially as I don't think it is intentional.

Dont have anything to say on the last three items.

Luke, I would appreciate you dowsing my responses to 1-3 and sharing your result

[Did You See Them]

He's part of the problem now

[norman]

That word "complicit" is tricky.

I don't really think David is deliberately setting out to work with others to deceive us. I think he's just got his wanderlust stuck in a single mode that gathers all things and builds a mental picture with them according to his super "positive" self hypnosis.

He seems to have a philosophical block on critical thinking. He somehow classes it as a negative process of mind. His mentallity functions best when it's working solo researching outside the box, he's brilliant at that, or at least he was at one time. He could put it all down in a book and people could take it for what it was, food for thought.

His involvement with so called insiders and whistle blowers is hopelessly out of his zone. He's just not mentally equipped to do it responsibly.

Two or more liars using the internet to "fact-check" each others stories does not make a truth.

[Richard S.]

My questions are for Only forum members who have studied DW's work and are as follows:

1. I would like your honest opinion of DW's credibility in light of the CG and ES deception.

He lost me when CG started, I followed him for years, read his first 3 books, that's it for me.

2. How does or should this deception reflect upon the credibility of his future work?

He used to "sound" very credible, once fact checked, a lot falls apart. I don't give him much credibility now or for the future.

3. Why is he being deceptive in regards to these aspects of the SSP?

I think he is just that gullible, and then he started riding the rockstar wave, now he can't get off...

4. Because DW is likely the biggest draw to Gaiam TV what does this deception convey regarding Gaiam's overall credibility?

Too bad, Wisdom teachings started off with a bang, now it's all just BS, same for that aspect of Gaiam. The rest of Gaiam is what it used to be.

5. What could DW do to regain credibility on subjects related to the SSP and other future projects?

I don't think he can climb back up, he's too far down in this hole, although he will still have his blind followers.


Too bad, I remember when I watched the Petersen interviews, he seemed inquisitive and intelligent. Part of the reason why I listened to him for a while, now it's over...

Thanks for the thread, good subject to square away!

[Olam]

The guy can sell you anything.
If and only if you are that desperate!

I remember about 14-15 yrs ago, I used to get so excited when he came out with a new 2-3 hrs podcast, or whatever it was called at the time.
I would shut the phone, get a coffee and get concenrated as he did put much info in there and did not want to miss a beat.
His info would then constitute the foundation on which I would build everything else.
It took a few years to understand that his info was not really fitting with my developing sense of intuition.
Ben Fulford did the same ....
Then David got into specific predictions that never made it and that was what woke me up from the dream.

Its not that its 100% bullcrap, in fact, he is very clever.
He mixes many facts and brings them up a dimension..
I actually think he himself thinks he holds the truth.
To deliver like he does, at some point you need to believe it yourself.

In the end, I don't sit and listen anymore, once in a while I will see what he is up to, for a few minutes and thats about it.
I don't claim to hold the truth myself and so I still need to be open and not fully shut him off.
Its just that I learned lots from that episode, so in that sense I have to thank him for that!

[dynamo]

I know you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but...
To me, he has always seemed "sketchy" since first reading his material sometime around 2010-2011 or thereabouts.
Now that I've seen him (surprisingly enough to me) on the History Channel, I really get turned off and change the channel to watch comedy.
I seriously doubt that he writes his own material and believe he is being spoon fed with an ulterior motive of some sort...

[yelik]

I followed Corey Goode for s short time on Avalon but quickly stopped after he dodged any questions which might expose him.

I’ve never followed David Wilcox because I set my common sense and intuition on high especially with the amount of deliberate misinformation that is spread around today

We’ve all probably been misled at some point so I question everything until I get multiple confirmations and it makes sense to me; even then I could be wrong.

If something sounds outlandish or the information is confusing or if someone takes an hour to tell me nothing then alarm bells should sound.

[Saracatt]

I should say something here personally. I used to know David quite well, when he was far less confident, much more measured and grounded, and far less egotistical.

In the last three years, he's done ufology (and the serious study of the Secret Space Program) a significant amount of damage. But I don't believe he'll ever be able to acknowledge that.

He has to be the guy who's right. And I've never known him once to admit being wrong.

If one searches all the threads on the Avalon forum discussing him (but there's quite a lot to search in!) one can find me pointing out a few things from time to time.

But a good, brief summary may be well represented in my recent post here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?101752-Cosmic-Disclosure-s-EMERY-SMITH-is-a-hoaxer.&p=1208263&viewfull=1#post1208263), where I replied:

~~~


It begs the question, is David this dumb to promote these hoaxers or is he willingly part of the problem too?


Both, in a sense. He's far too credulous, never fact-checks in any way worthy of the name, and so badly always wants to be the superstar hero bringing all this to public knowledge and recognition.


That is why I think the exposure of his lack of fact checking here at Avalon is so valuable. David's answer to the critique that he has no proof for the more fantastic elements of his stories is always:

1. I have an extensive fact checking and vetting process that proves that the information I am getting is true.
2. If you can't believe that the situation on the planet right now is actually positive, and that everything I am saying is true, no matter how crazy it sounds, it is because you have succumbed to negativity and fear. A seeming spiritual failure if I understand his view.

#1 Has been proven to be false. #2 is so egotistical and manipulative. When he started saying that years ago is when he lost me.

I think discernment is a necessary part of spiritual growth. Wisdom and strength are just as important as love and acceptance. It is important to question things that don't make sense, and people get angry when they sense lies regardless of whether they are intentional or not.

People are getting stirred up by what he is doing not because they are too fear-programmed to believe it, but because it is such a mix of good and bad information.

[Cardillac]

I think the problem with DW is not himself but his sources; I think DW began as a very benevolent, reliable source (many, many truisms- and they were obviously a threat) but because of his lack of self-criticism he could then be easily manipulated due to his ego- so boost his ego- he has been influenced by not so reliable sources who have continued to boost his ego but have lead him down the garden path into the flower bed of incredulity- as the saying goes:

"pride goeth before destruction"

sadly- what a waste-

but I still don't think we should totally throw him under a bus/throw babies out with bathwaters- he still has some positive things to contribute and I think it would be to our detriment if we try to compartmentalize him/everything; life is anything but individually boxed compartmentalizations-

Larry

[MorningFox]

He was a very humble, seemingly honest, genuine, gentle and interesting soul on the original Camelot interview I saw of him.

Seeing him now, the big egomaniacal theatre show full of bull**** clickbait type star he's become, does slightly worry me that I've traversed on to a bizarre and unfavourable timeline.

[Tam]

I don't know much of anything about David Wilcock; my first and only exposure to him came with GAIA.

Back when I was brand new to the whole ufology/aliens thing (I still am, but you get the point), I saw an ad for CD on YouTube, and they had, at the time, a promotion. 3 months of unlimited content for a dollar.

So I figured, why not?

I punched in my card info, and got watching. At the time, CD had only 2 seasons.

I remember being very skeptical, yet open to the whole thing. I had no issue believing in the possibility of Reptilians and the Canal, and Nordics (which I had first heard about there) and the SSP and all that jazz.

But there were always things that bothered me. Aside from the lack of actual evidence, there were major points that bugged me:

1) If this is all so important, as they repeatedly claim, why do you need to pay to see it?

They since sort of fixed that one; they offer gifted videos, and CG has a full transcript of each episode freely on his website, so you have to give him credit there.

2) How the hell is he still alive?

3) He readily admits being a MILAB; how can we trust anything he says, when we know how advanced mind control has become?

So, with that, here is my opinion on CG and DW and the whole thing.

I feel that both men are sincere. Now, that does not mean that their information is genuine.

I think CG got desperate for money after being "outed" and having his career ruined (the man has a family, after all), and I do think that he may be a MILAB. Now, of course one can make up a story. He even did a lot of digging on this forum. I could make up my own testimony, convincingly, after all the research that I have done.

But even with that, I get a feeling that he's sincere. However, I think he is HEAVILY damaged and compromised, programmed to the nth degree, and is an agent of, at best, confusion, without knowing it (or wanting to).

Now, as for DW.

With him, I get the impression that he's a genuinely nice dude, but one with severe self-esteem issues. I think it has a lot to do with his face; let's admit it, you guys, the poor man looks like he got hit by a shovel, hard.

When you're bullied like that, and at such a young age, it can be very hard, and have very lasting effects. I think his ego is a cover, subconscious, for his frail self-image. He compensates for his lack of "masculinity", his face, etc.

Despite the fact that I don't trust him (he has far too much bias and is highly gullible), I don't dislike him at all the way I do with some people. I just feel bad for him, really. He seems like a genuinely sweet guy, who just has too many insecurities and issues. GAIA finally gave him the validation I'm sure he's been lacking his whole life. Has anyone else noticed his lack of wedding ring?

He strikes me as a wife-and-kids kind of guy, so I'm sure that hurts him. Hurt does a lot of damage to a person.

DW has a sort of lost-puppy innocence to him. I don't think he and CG are deliberately, consciously spreading disinformation. Who knows, they could be stellar actors (as you would expect a disinfo agent to be, no doubt), but my gut is still this; the whole CG thing is just two desperate men who found each other and kind of got into this symbiotic relationship.

My father pays for GAIA, and I borrow his account to check in on the whole CD thing. I like to keep tabs, and leave no stone unturned. The one thing I've learned at this point is basically this: we humans are f*cked in regards to knowing the truth. We are so childlike and ignorant, that even if we were to meet a Nordic or a spirit or whatever face-to-face, who's to say they are who they say they are?

Between the PTB, idiots, the inherent limitations of our own brains and 3D ego, and good ol' deception, we truly cannot know anything. We have some people and sources that seem more credulous than others, and likely are. But we have no way of truly knowing.

I have chosen not to close any more doors. In my pursuit for Truth, if it is even possible, I've got a personal policy to listen to everyone, without outright believing 99% of it all.

I think there are grains of truth or semi-truths in the CG saga. As with a lot of other stuff out there.

I still remain neutral, with a bit of a lean towards "bs" (whether deliberate or not) on the CD thing.

But who knows...maybe it's all true. I doubt it, but then again, I'm just a girl living on Earth. I don't know anything :)

The first step to Truth is accepting that, I think.

[norman]

. . . Anyway, you asked about Wilcock's credibility, and I would counter that it's almost meaningless to the people that continue to support him. In fact, the more credible he became, the less useful he'd be to that crowd..for all the reasons I mentioned above. It would be bad for business for him to be credible..in the way that someone like Richard Dolan is credible. So there's no motivation for him or his supporters to change anything at all..



From my semi reclusive viewpoint, I find people who are socially successful or successful in business have a lot in common with children in that they still need people to remind them what the limits are. It's a logical match, being still within the red line of others either by charm or craft.

The fact remains tho' that those people "will get a slap" if they push it too far. Some are not wise enough to avoid a clash, others are incredibly crafty and so increasingly powerful, with it. I mean, look at the so called Cabal. Someone should have given them a slap a long time ago.

[no children were harmed in writing this]

[Spiral]

Hello

I have been an avid follower of Mr. Wilcock for over a decade - I follow the blog, bought all the products, read all the books, been to the weekend seminars and have watched all the DW Gaiam content. I find DW to be one of greatest communicators of universal truths both scientific and spiritual on the planet today; hence I am perplexed at the recent criticism of his association with Mr. Goode and Mr. Emery espoused by Bill and forum members

I realize that DW is human and I have major issues with his ignorant criticism of David Icke's work, the ridiculous crying episode on Kerry's radio which just happened to coincide with the release of his book " The Source Field Investigations." and I was also disappointed with his recent shameless name drop of the open lucifarian Steven Tyler.

But now the recent push back regarding the aforementioned "insiders" has me seriously questioning his integrity, motives and future intentions.

My delimna is as follows:

1. If Bill is correct in his assessment of Mr. Goode and Mr Emery this would mean that David is complicit in the deception and is likely comprimised as a source of SSP information. ( I agree with Richard Dolan - what he is delivering is not INTEL or testimony - it is simply information as it has no proof attatched).

2. I am a successful dowser and when I use this tool to evaluate the situation I begrudgingly come up with DW being intentionally deceptive regarding important aspects of the CG and ES information.

3. DW's deception is somewhat upsetting as I am deeply connected/attatched to DW's body of work. The reason I am upset is, I have invested a lot of time, effort, energy studying the incredible body of work and want to believe that the source of that material is of high moral character.

If one preaches the prominence of being in service to others then that person is obliged to act in accord in order to be considered worthy of being heard.

My questions are for Only forum members who have studied DW's work and are as follows:

1. I would like your honest opinion of DW's credibility in light of the CG and ES deception.
2. How does or should this deception reflect upon the credibility of his future work?
3. Why is he being deceptive in regards to these aspects of the SSP?
4. Because DW is likely the biggest draw to Gaiam TV what does this deception convey regarding Gaiam's overall credibility?
5. What could DW do to regain credibility on subjects related to the SSP and other future projects?
6. Is DW still a member of this forum?

Blessings and thanks in advance for your time and consideration

Dr. Luke Holiday NMD

In response to the above, one question at a time.


The problems with DWs credibility go a lot further back than CG, Benjamin Fulford was a big enough red flag, BF just picked random points out of the news (usually from sources the public don't read but are publicly available) & then filled the spaces inbetween said items with narrative he conjured out of the air as he went on, non of his claims ever came to pass, but that hasn't stopped him.

1/ It's not just Bills assessment of CG, it's everyone with an ounce of discernment esp those who have studied the UFO phenomena who realised he was a total fraud from very early on, there are many people who have been milabed & so on & they just don't have that kind of story book narrative, it's just bits & pieces, & PTSD.

2/ DW has to have been intentionally deceptive about GC, there are just no two ways about it, maybe it was too big a gravy train to turn down ?

3/ It's understandable that you are upset, you have woken up to being lied to & cheated, & whats more you believed it, so it hurts, that's why there are survivors groups for people who have been in cults, it's not easy !

Second set of questions;

1/ Totally sold out, but it's where he was going all along, such things inevitably end like this, he's not the first & wont be the last, it's live by the sword die by the sword, only in his case the "sword" was "occult lite"

2/ Just don't waste your time or money, & don't look for another guru !

3/ Because it's a major disinfo campaign & they needed someone like DW to fill in the gaps between the Blavatsky / Bailey lucifarian occult lite cult that always underpins this stuff & the UFO stuff in such a way as it wouldn't seem obvious to those they are trying to ensnare.

4/ They don't have any credibility, just money & a flashy presence, the money shows that this is a very dubious enterprise, that & the high rollers "they" brought in to manage it ( "they" probably being some alphabet agency )

5/ He could probably withdraw from the whole CG & his made up SSP thing & go back to being the reincarnation of Cayce...

6/ ? No idea, he could have an account under any name...


:tea:

[Mike]

That word "complicit" is tricky. I don't really think David is deliberately setting out to work with others to deceive us. I think he's just got his wanderlust stuck in a single mode that gathers all things and builds a mental picture with them according to his super "positive" self hypnosis.He seems to have a philosophical block on critical thinking. He somehow classes it as a negative process of mind.


I think this sums it up perfectly!:clapping:

[seehas]

maybe Dr. Holliday is the real PA-Account of David Wilcock :idea: :Party:

[RunningDeer]

Has anyone else noticed his lack of wedding ring?
David Wilcock announces that this is the first valentine’s day in which I’m happily married. @ 35:02 (https://youtu.be/rw2IANR5U_w?t=35m02s). Her name is Beth. I was unable to find the vid where Beth spoke with Jimmy for a couple of minutes.


FADE to BLACK : CLE 2018 Recap Special w/ David Wilcock : w/ Images
rw2IANR5U_w

[radeev]

I have mixed feelings with regards to DW. No one is perfect so it is wrong to label someone in one way or another due to them making mistakes. Like Sri Yukteswar said in Autobiography of a Yogi: be like the ant on the beach and only pick up the sugar and let the sand grains be.

IMO DW has spread a great deal of useful information. there is a fantastic article in his blog about military emblems, and many of them look like they indeed reference some SSP. He has had some very good articles on the banksters. He´s featured some pretty interesting and, to me at least, very impressive people in Cosmic Disclousre, like David Adair, William Tompkins, etc.

On the other hand, I think he hurts his own credibility when referencing Benjamin Fulford, which have made more outlandish claims which failed to materialize than DW. DW has mode some predictions which failed to materialize and should perhaps have been more modest in his presentations. I also find it fascinating how he speaks of spirituality so much, yet seems to be so much caught up into his own ego. To me, this is a mismatch. But who am I to judge, I have my own faults and issues.

I have never read his books, because he doesn´t strike me as the kind of guy who will do a thorough enough research, he seems to be jumping to conclusions too fast sometimes (I don´t think every plot in Hollywood movies has to have a hidden reference or meaning, I did find some good movies thanks to him though). I have the impression that he means well though, and I think his performance as host in Cosmic Disclosure is excellent and mostly to the point.

What I would like to see though is DW get together with Dr. Steven Greer. I think that would be an interesting meeting!

[Tam]

Has anyone else noticed his lack of wedding ring?
David Wilcock announces that this is the first valentine’s day in which I’m happily married. @ 35:02 (https://youtu.be/rw2IANR5U_w?t=35m02s). Her name is Beth. I was unable to find the vid where Beth spoke with Jimmy for a couple of minutes.


FADE to BLACK : CLE 2018 Recap Special w/ David Wilcock : w/ Images
rw2IANR5U_w


I stand corrected. Good for him.

[Luke Holiday]

Here's the deal: aliens, conspiracy, disclosure, and so forth are a form of *escape* for many people...much in the same way so called reality tv is. THEY DON'T WANT THE TRUTH. THEY ARE TRYING TO ESCAPE REALITY, NOT ENGAGE IT. So when they are presented with anything to do with reality, they vigorously resist. This infotainment provides all the elements they need to stay occupied and distracted....and don't you dare take it away from us!

Mike, Thank you for your keen insight - I most enjoyed your crisp analogies.

I agree that for manyu people (and at times this include myself) the SSP material may serve as a reality escape just as all addictions do - but I believe there are far more who simply and very sincerely just want the truth in order to better understand the world in which they live and by doing so make more informed/better life choices and become a more positive beacon within their sphere of influence. They are not coming at the material from a place of addiction or need to escape rather they are coming at it motivated to improve themselves and those around them.

By DW being "willfully obtuse" he has done significant damage within the UFO community (as Bill has stated).

For the sake of conversation and as much as it pains me to write - I respectfully disagree that DW is being willfully obtuse - If DW has an unusually high IQ and highly developed intuitive skill as he has claimed and demonstrated - then it would be irrational to believe that he was not complicit in the deception.

Thank you for your input

Luke

[bonnyhut]

I used to LOVE David Wilcocks work. However, I became really confused when I heard Simon Parkes, whom I also really admire, explain why & how David Wilcock & Corey Goode's Blue Avian theory had no validity.

[Mike]

I used to LOVE David Wilcocks work. However, I became really confused when I heard Simon Parkes, whom I also really admire, explain why & how David Wilcock & Corey Goode's Blue Avian theory had no validity.


It's confusing when people we admire contradict each other..which I think is always a nice reminder to always seek our own counsel first.

And to confuse you even further:wink:, I suggest you read some of the Simon Parkes threads here. It may change your opinion of the man.

[Oddball]

The first time I saw DW was on the Ancient Aliens show. Which "they" did a great job of using that show to put alot of disinfo/misinfo out to the general public.

At first I was intrigued by his work, until I ran across some of his videos where he claimed that he was the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce.

Anyone at all who has read about Mr. Cayce would know that he was a humble man, he did not seek fame. Contrast that with DW and his massively inflated ego. Maybe he does have some good information to contribute, but its buried so far in the BS and Wilcocks ego that you need a 10 foot pole to get to it.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

In one sort of way Wilcock is not dissimilar to the recently late Billy Graham. He's a "new age" preacher man, a UFO evangelist. In this mode it becomes less about the message, the truth, and more about fame, book sales, and turning a buck.

However, he is extremely knowledgable on the subject of UFO's, Earth mysteries, ancient knowledge, etc. And he knows it, he knows it rather well. Wilcock has adopted a sort of messiah complex. I feel he very much wants to save the world. That said, I don't think his heart is in the wrong place, only his head.

[RunningDeer]

I used to LOVE David Wilcocks work. However, I became really confused when I heard Simon Parkes, whom I also really admire, explain why & how David Wilcock & Corey Goode's Blue Avian theory had no validity.

And to confuse you even further:wink:, I suggest you read some of the Simon Parkes threads here. It may change your opinion of the man.
This is a good place to start: Our experience with Simon Parkes as a counselor (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?88999-Our-experience-with-Simon-Parkes-as-a-counselor)

[enigma3]

Wilcock is the worst type of deceiver mixing some truth with lots of good tasting fiction. Disinformation at its best. Mmmmm. Tastes good like disinformation should.

[Ernie Nemeth]

David is no saint. He has a massive ego that was evident even back when Bill interviewed him.
I disliked him then for that. But his dialogue at the time was not as interesting as it is now.

I think we all know that there is not much doubt that there is a secret space program. What it is called and what is the extent of their reach and who is actually involved and what group keeps the lid on it and in what direction they are affiliated is all up in the air. No one knows the answer to these pertinent questions.

But that the entire solar system is undergoing a significant heating and that the mechanics of that heating are not attributable to the normal physics of the sun, is also quite clear. And in keeping with the idea that this heating is extra-solar or inter-stellar in nature, is upheld by the observations of the outer-most planets.
The obvious geometrical underpinnings of these warming planets further support his theories.

I get it. A person who upholds dubious data and third-party information is suspect. Once suspect, it is far harder to believe anything else from them.

Still, with enough discernment and if one knows their cosmology, which is so full of holes as to be far more suspect than an outsider proposing new possibilities, imo, is also not serving the highest good.

Character assassination is uncalled for. It does not serve.

I can attest to this, David Wilcock is on our side. It's okay to make money with novel ideas. I applaud him for his efforts and find that his massive amount of knowledge is impressive. It is not that surprising that some of it is flawed. We are all working in the dark, with half truths and inuendos as signposts.

We all are lost. Thank goodness for people like David, brave enough to put himself on the line and tell us how he sees things.

He has helped me understand things better.

Thanks David. Keep up the good fight.

[CurEus]

I used to LOVE David Wilcocks work. However, I became really confused when I heard Simon Parkes, whom I also really admire, explain why & how David Wilcock & Corey Goode's Blue Avian theory had no validity.


Oh dear......Simon Parke's Demon Preying Mantis Alien father turned out to be a "bad influence".....So Simon doesn't like Corey Goode's Blue Bird Space Buddies? :(
....I really have nothing more to add to my observation.

[Sunny-side-up]

DW, CG, SP, US are all props/actors/participants/part of this looong and now crazy film.
I'm waiting for the Editors Cut.
hopefully coming soon ;)

[Flowerpunkchip]

Wilcock, Parkes, Goode, Meier, Adamski, Romanek, etc

I question those sorts and I've lost interest in them a long time ago. I think we give out too much time to them.
I want to stick to facts and evidence and multiple witnesses. And when I say multiple witnesses, I mean at least 4 people seeing/witnessing the same thing.

Ufology is NOT a religion. And Wilcock, Parkes, Goode, Adamski seem to turn this into a religion. It's not always their fault.

I have no respect or time for religion and buying books about what just one person believes is not for me.

Only facts and evidence I'm interested in. I don't mind theories but theories based on evidence.

Leslie Kean, John E Mack, Richard D Hall, Stephen Bassett, Grant Cameron and Richard Dolan I will listen to. Attentively.
Those people are the real deal. And none of them behave like a messiah who wants followers. They are the detectives of Ufology. The others are like priests and I won't ever leave my daughter with a priest.

It's a bit like Greer. If you read his 1st book. It's amazing. It's all about witnesses, testimonies by military personnel, scientists who would testify under oath in congress, declassified documents. But his other books are so boring and with little evidence.

I've become more and more sceptical when it comes to such people like Wilcock through the years. Some of them are very damaging to Ufology.

[Vernaianawa]

DW, CG, SP, US are all props/actors/participants/part of this looong and now crazy film.
I'm waiting for the Editors Cut.
hopefully coming soon ;)

Lol, crayz film indeed. Like to feel that most of us, in this life time, will find out the CG rooster truth, the DW show was very good imo until the Crayz film with CG started, but i wonder usually is there any truth, any at all to the combined DW and CG film because surely its too far out, is it as far out as Ickes reptilian verbal all those years ago for instance _.

[jagman]

I think DW is a conartist! A likable & very smart person but still a shameless Conartist. In this case throw the baby out with the bathwater!

Maya Angelou: "When somebody shows you who they are believe them."

[Sunny-side-up]

DW, CG, SP, US are all props/actors/participants/part of this looong and now crazy film.
I'm waiting for the Editors Cut.
hopefully coming soon ;)

Lol, crayz film indeed. Like to feel that most of us, in this life time, will find out the CG rooster truth, the DW show was very good imo until the Crayz film with CG started, but i wonder usually is there any truth, any at all to the combined DW and CG film because surely its too far out, is it as far out as Ickes reptilian verbal all those years ago for instance _.


but i wonder usually is there any truth, any at all to the combined DW and CG film
Yes there is truth to some of it, there is truth in their words, that is how they can carry on with their milking of it, all for personal gain/ego.
It is also part of the orchestrated discrediting of the revealed truths.


surely its too far out, is it as far out as Ickes reptilian verbal all those years ago for instance
David hasn't stop, it's still on going and in my view a real thing.
Was real in the very distant past, in the not so distant past and in the present, we are being controlled and we don't see it or them (Well rarely)

PS the props/actors/participants/part of this looong and now crazy film is not just relating to DW, CG it's to the whole world as we see it, to our history and prehistory/s

[Wind]

As integrity is the quality in any person I value the most, I just honestly can't bring myself to appreciate Wilcock anymore. Or couldn't have ever since he joined with Goode. He has fallen the trap of the ego which has overridden the search for truth. Money and fame becomes more important and they are in it more for the selfish gain which is sadly quite common human fallacy. A person can be intelligent, but naive/ignorant at the same time. Is he deceptive? Still not sure, but being ignorant doesn't let him off the hook. I still have his two books and they contained good research, for what it's worth.

[TomKat]

I lend Wilcock no credibility. By now, the good guys were going to have rid the world of the Illuminati according to him and his friend Drake. I believe, willy nilly, he's part of a disinfo/disarm campaign, along with Benjamin Fulford, Corey Goode, Capt Kaye and all the other Mars freedom fighters. He makes a living talking, and he's good at it, but when he runs out of things to say he has to resort to wishful thinking and invention.

[mojo]

The disclosure event happened today... We have all the players on stage... what a carnival...lol

_u1wnBFKyno

[Bill Ryan]

The disclosure event happened today... We have all the players on stage... what a carnival...lol
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_u1wnBFKyno



(2:33)
Jimmy Church : "This is one of the most amazing events EVER."

(2:49)
Jimmy Church: "... Corey GOODE !!!"
Person in the audience, losing his mind: "Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God!"

~~~

The YouTube uploader, Positive Momentum (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgkGCey1sOnhyFR3Vy3-Hmg), labeled the video 'Comedy'.

[TomKat]

Anything associated with Wilcock, I automatically discount. But if you like Wilcock, you might also like Benjamin Fulford.

[TomKat]

The disclosure event happened today... We have all the players on stage... what a carnival...lol
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_u1wnBFKyno



(2:33)
Jimmy Church : "This is one of the most amazing events EVER."

(2:49)
Jimmy Church: "... Corey GOODE !!!"
Person in the audience, losing his mind: "Oh my God! Oh my God! Oh my God!"

~~~

The YouTube uploader, Positive Momentum (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgkGCey1sOnhyFR3Vy3-Hmg), labeled the video 'Comedy'.

Looks like a great place to pick up chicks: tell her you're from Jupiter on a sexual research project :-)

[happyuk]

And yet... he has done much to put Graham Hancock's work on the map which is very laudable in my opinion. Hancock has done some seriously good work in explaining how much about what we know about history has been distorted or hidden...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvNEVvHgOOY

If Wilcock did nothing else I would always thank him for bringing Hancocks paradigm shifting research to my attention.

[Chris]

And yet... he has done much to put Graham Hancock's work on the map which is very laudable in my opinion. Hancock has done some seriously good work in explaining how much about what we know about history has been distorted or hidden...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvNEVvHgOOY

I was thinking about the same thing. Graham is such a wonderful man and researcher, I had the privilege of meeting him in London, during one of his talks. David Wilcock is not even in the same league. I think he does some good work in terms of gathering some of the scientific material together and keeping an open mind, but he is incredibly gullible in many ways. There is such a thing as being too trusting and naive.

[Retief]

(19:15)

"When you become famous like me..."

The ever present narcissism. Made me lol.

[ichingcarpenter]

David Wilcox blames Bill Ryan


Stunning New Briefings: Spy Satellites Down, Deep State Arrests Finally Imminent?
Posted by David Wilcock | Sep 8, 2018

http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/bill_ryan_transcript_zurich_2009_en.html

Bill: David’s reminded me about something else that Dr. Pete Peterson told us about the end of this year.

What Dr. Pete Peterson told us was that President Obama was going to reveal the reality of extraterrestrial contact before the end of this year.

He said that he had been told this by people who knew that the television time on the networks had already been booked. The date he told us, if I remember it right, was November the 27th.

What he also told us was that it was one of these ritualistically significant dates, numerologically.

He said that what Obama was going to talk about was the reality of contact with six different friendly [humanlike] ET races.

When we asked him why he used the word friendly, he said: Well, some of them are unfriendly, but most of them are friendly.



LOOSE LIPS

I was horrified that this leaked in such a public, irreversible fashion, as it very likely meant that the disclosure wouldn’t happen then.

I refused to answer many hundreds of emails asking me if it was true — for months.

Bill Ryan and I continued to work together as colleagues after this, and he apologized privately for having leaked the date. I don’t want to stir up any trouble here, and we’ve all made mistakes.

I knew that once a huge plan like this was leaked to the public, it was very unlikely that it would actually happen. Leaks like this can also get people killed.

This was only one of several instances where, as I later found out, leaks I was directly or indirectly involved with caused serious problems for the Alliance.

For that same reason I have now become much, much more careful about what I say, and how I say it.

This is not a game, and people like me are not central to this effort. We are lucky to get much of anything in terms of intel, and the scope of these operations are far greater than we can imagine.

If people like me get in the way and disrupt these operations, we can easily receive significant threats, get completely cut off from all insider access, or worse.

THE DATE WAS CHANGED.................. more


https://divinecosmos.com/davids-blog/22005-stunning-new-briefings-spy-satellites-down-deep-state-arrests-finally-imminent/2/

[OopsWrongPlanet?]

OMG life at fever pitch: how long can it go on like this? (... as long as it sells tickets, I suppose...)

[Valerie Villars]

Wasn't there a book about this written by Dante? "Divine Comedy".

[ichingcarpenter]

David Wilcock: ''Run to the store right now and buy toilet paper Buy food for two weeks '' The Profit /Prophht now and et has spoken and don't forget to order his new book.

Ok just read the whole three page manifesto by David and he's going back to the 90s for his full prophecy to back up what gonna happen now kiddies. The US is gonna cancel all flights in and out of the country. The military is taking over and more. Of course this intel is backed up by Dr pete, super Q, corey and emery......

Some may buy his stuff here but I'm seeing a pathological neurosis with David repeating talking about buying toilet paper. Then his fixation on his place as a prophet . ......... I'm afraid he's lost it and its no longer on him trying to be relevant. But things are gonna happen really soon according to David. Military Tribunals for everyone!!!!

All need to read the whole three pages.



/////

[Valerie Villars]

I skimmed through most of that stuff David wrote yesterday and the conclusion I came to is that world is way too interbred and self contained to have any real value. It's just a continuous spin and rehashing and stroking each others backs and egos.

If he took some time off and learned carpentry or photography or farming or literature or some other pursuit it would give him some perspective. I just find most of these guys have no real perspective.

Go wait tables for a year and then come back and tell me you have the answers. Seriously.

Edit: He did say one thing about music and musicians that I did find intriguing in that blog. I'll have to go back and find it and copy and paste it here. That information I did find useful.

[the_vast_mystery]

So, I was mulling over buying one of David's "What is my purpose" readings. After reading this thread though I think I'm going to pass. Too many credibility issues. Still, if anyone has ever paid out for one of those readings in specific I'd love to hear your story. How accurate was it? Thanks in advance. ^_^

[graciousb]

Aside from ego and the star syndrome could he have been 'compromised' by one of the many advanced techs that are out there, targeting people who get any kind of profile? This was implied by someone I respect who was also likewise targeted but recognized it and was able to discern that the 'thoughts' weren't their own. But also as others have said, never get too hung up on any particular messenger.

[ichingcarpenter]

Is my 3 week old grandson the reincarnation of David Wilcock or Edgar Cayce?


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1490389675/DavidWilcockSearch_400x400.jpg


https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29314815_10156073609467278_8677229149456171008_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&oh=b625a7bc3bc1b2547b3281adb8698646&oe=5C5B67B3


I asked him if he was and he didn't deny it so therefore I've vetted him





At 6 months he now looks like.......................but still hasn't denied my question


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oVEz6v3nc48lEVt0hgO2nRQsaPxaYwnG/view?ts=5bbe4114

[Patient]

Hey Itchingcarpenter, congratulations for your grandson! :)

That picture is too cute and funny! I can see that that pic will be put in front off his face many times in his life.

It certainly supports the idea of someone having "an old soul" because he looks like he has waaay too much to be thinking about. Or perhaps he has already come to fully understand a couple of the basics and he is contemplating on making an important decision. :)

[onawah]

Personally, I think the David that was originally in that body has vacated and what we now have there may be a walk-in.
Or else he his brain has been so messed with that it might as well be someone else in there.
So who your grandson might be could be a multiple choice question. :lol:
Seriously though, high profile people like Wilcock, Greer, Cassidy seem they might have been huge targets of mind control, due to the personality changes we have witnessed over the years.

Is my 3 week old grandson the reincarnation of David Wilcock or Edgar Cayce?


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1490389675/DavidWilcockSearch_400x400.jpg


https://scontent-dfw5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/29314815_10156073609467278_8677229149456171008_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&oh=b625a7bc3bc1b2547b3281adb8698646&oe=5C5B67B3


I asked him if he was and he didn't deny it so therefore I've vetted him





At 6 months he now looks like.......................but still hasn't denied my question


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oVEz6v3nc48lEVt0hgO2nRQsaPxaYwnG/view?ts=5bbe4114

[onawah]

The photo of Edgar Cayce in Dark Journalist's latest in the X series here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network-16-March-2018&p=1254257&viewfull=1#post1254257
...really makes me (continue to) think David Wilcock really was Cayce in his last life, if it's possible to "read" a soul by the eyes (which I think it is).
And it makes me think that professional psychics, channelers and clairvoyants, etc. who actively employ their talents are particularly susceptible to being taken over by archonic beings.
It's a terrible pity, but I recall being impressed at an early age when I was first venturing on my spiritual path, by the warning that using one's psychic abilities for profit or egoic gain is a dangerous game.
I'm not sure if Cayce suffered due to his work, but if he is indeed Wilcock in this life, he appears to be paying the price now.
Seth Roberts paid a terrible price if this theory is true, with a very painful physical condition in her later years.
I personally witnessed a pronounced and unmistakable personality change in a prominent channeler (who I will not name) over a number of years, very much for the worse.
It may not always be the case, but possibly at certain times the archonic forces are more active than others.

[Bill Ryan]

...really makes me (continue to) think David Wilcock really was Cayce in his last life

Photo comparison really often doesn't mean anything. (Supposing somebody came to Earth from elsewhere for the first time, and last lifetime they weren't a human at all?) But yes, he could have been Cayce. We were all someone! :)

In fairness, much more is made of this by others than by DW himself — or certainly used to be. I've not followed anything he's said about this recently, but if he's talking about this more now, for some reason, then that'd likely be ego raising its head, or the felt need to bolster his credibility somehow.

[onawah]

I don't know if Wilcock is making more of it these days, but Dark Journalist's latest offering may have an effect (though DJ is not a Wilcock fan).
Photo comparison doesn't always mean anything, but I think sometimes it does, and I have had confirmation on this in my own experiences.
As to those whose past life was as an ET I couldn't say.
But my point was more about how some spiritual "masters" have issued severe cautions about how one uses one's powers, and some have said that such powers can be a great hindrance on the path, and are not necessarily indicators of high spirituality.
Their misuse can often be the cause of spiritual devolution, and it's very easy to misuse them.


...really makes me (continue to) think David Wilcock really was Cayce in his last life

Photo comparison really often doesn't mean anything. (Supposing somebody came to Earth from elsewhere for the first time, and last lifetime they weren't a human at all?) But yes, he could have been Cayce. We were all someone! :)

In fairness, much more is made of this by others than by DW himself — or certainly used to be. I've not followed anything he's said about this recently, but if he's talking about this more now, for some reason, then that'd likely be ego raising its head, or the felt need to bolster his credibility somehow.

[onawah]

Incidentally, DJ refers (at 30 minutes in) to a past life that Cayce described himself in which he was a soldier, John Bainbridge, in which he used his power to cheat at games. I'm still listening to the presentation, and there may be more info along those lines. DJ has done a lot of research on Cayce, along with the Theosophists, Anthroposophy, etc.

[WhiteFeather]

I personally had truly enjoyed DWs stuff in my early awakening stages back in 2009, and he had helped my spiritual growth in those infant stages. Since his head got a little big, and he hooked up with Mr Blue Avian, in CG, he literally ruined his credibility with me and I'm sure many of his followers as well. He did have some great stuff back in his heyday and height of his career. But as I see him now he's nothing more than a bandwagon operator and a spoiled charlatan. David should of stayed humble and true to his self, he let it get away.....