ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS: the Gaia TV series

[Bill Ryan]

This is cross-posted from the David Wilcock resignation thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103398-David-Wilcock-s-apparently-very-real-letter-of-resignation-to-Gaia-TV&p=1234882&viewfull=1#post1234882), as it was Episode 1 of Ancient Civilizations that had upset DW so much. Here it is:


The Search for the Garden of Eden
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bh (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bh)

It's very well done, and very interesting indeed. The episode follows the research of French author Anton Parks (http://www.antonparks.com/main.php?lang=en), and questions the myth of Enki and Enlil, the actual location of the Garden of Eden, the origin of the word 'Satan', who/what the 'Serpent' was (Enki, the good guy, argues Parks) the early genetic engineering of mankind, and more.

I'll post links to all the other episodes next.

[Bill Ryan]

The other episodes: (which I've not yet watched)


2: Gnostic Origins
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bj (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bj)



3: Tree of Life
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bk (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bk)



4: Tower of Babel
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bi (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bi)



5: Lost Cities beneath the Ocean
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bl (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bl)



6: New Understandings of the Great Pyramid
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dviuq (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dviuq)



7: Decoding the Great Sphinx
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dviur (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dviur)



8: Portals to the Universe
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dvius (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dvius)



9: Entrances to Inner Earth
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dz8qf (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dz8qf)



10: Interstellar Links to Gobekli Tepe
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dz8qg (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dz8qg)

[Zak247]

So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.

I have no issue with this doctrine, but only in how people think about it. Parenthetically, I certainly don’t think it’s “Luciferian” just a philosophical and theological notion, which is a reasonable proposition if understood in a certain light, IMO.

I want to deal with that for a second, on two vital levels. Perhaps it deserves its own thread but not now, at least from me at this time.

Anyway, this idea reminds me of what a friend of mine used to always say to me.

He’d say “God is the devil”

From a pantheistic point of view, who could argue with that?

Since if God has power over all things then he has power over the devil. If not then God has no power over all things and absolute duality is reality and there is a God and a devil ruling, something I don't believe is the case.

So if God has power over all things then ultimately he is responsible for this so-called devil.

Now, the supposed Gnostic idea that the old time God of the western religions have been worshipping is actually the devil to me is too simplistic and likely misunderstood.

First, we have to understand that in basic esoteric doctrine they believe that an aspect of what people have been programmed to think is of God, is actually a demonic force disguised as a Godly force, indeed. Such a force is defined therein as the classical brainwashing clerical dogmatic priest, preacher, imam, rabbi that only wants to program people with ethnocentric dogma and intolerant doctrine and rather than freeing the mind to make it capable of higher perception it actually binds the mind to only a lower perceptive capacity….a form of the devil without a doubt.

So the devil is not only the classical debauched evildoer, sinner, and lout. But also the narrow minded brainwashing cleric who espouses not higher ideals but low capacity dogma disguised as God’s word...

It’s nothing wrong with a little dogma or doctrine, but it has to be balanced by teaching tolerance, broadmindedness, understanding, openness and above all—Love.


That to me is the meaning of the Gnostic idea regarding God and the devil

[Bill Ryan]

So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.

The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy. :)

[norman]

In part 4, the notion that a global single language was/is better than the diverse regional groups.

It may well be, but I've made a mental note of another possible implication.

[Star Tsar]

So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.

The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy. :)

Dear Bill,

What/How do you Think/Feel about the theory of Jehovah demonstrating this disposition because of Earth's invasion of the "fallen ones" & the following "corruption"?

[Words of Joy]

The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy. :)

Must...react... :flock: My perspective (I'll try to keep it short): Same God, different Law. In short, accounts of God's wrath in the Old Testament were largely targeting people of Israel, that, in those times, were living under the Mosaic Covenant. These laws (Law of Works) were close to or impossible to uphold all and supposedly designed to make the people of Israel understand that they need help with becoming all loving. Though under the Old Testament law, they were also subject to the wrath.

This changed when the Holy Spirit was sent down by God, which allows people to receive the Holy Spirit into their lives, when/if they recognize their own inability to be Christ-like and ask Jesus Christ to save them from that inability, in order to be built up (+ renewed heart) with help from the Holy Spirit towards the image of Christ. When received, they are no longer under the Mosaic Covenant. E.g. in 2 Corinthians 3 Paul references this: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+3&version=NIV and for the "badass" himself: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+8%3A10&version=KJV

Here are some numbers on the wrath of God (under Old Testament Law) mentioned in the bible: https://bible.org/article/wrath-god-old-testament-law-brings-wrath

[Foxie Loxie]

From my personal experiences, I think we need to ask a bigger question.....Exactly where did this Bible come from & was it even translated correctly? Why should I accept it as THE authority in my own life? :confused:

The word "God" means something different to each person & each culture. I tend to agree with Bruno Giordano at this point....there is no need for a revelation because none of us can speak for the Cosmos! :Angel:

[Hervé]

[...]
... that, in those times, were living under the Mosaic Covenant. These laws (Law of Works) were close to or impossible to uphold all...
[...]
Check this post and thread: Here: The So-called "Word Of God" (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?86384-Here-The-So-called-Word-Of-God&p=1131232&viewfull=1#post1131232)

[Bill Ryan]

So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.

The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy. :)

Dear Bill,

What/How do you Think/Feel about the theory of Jehovah demonstrating this disposition because of Earth's invasion of the "fallen ones" & the following "corruption"?

I'm not a Bible scholar (neither a mainstream nor an alternative one :) ). But I do find this subject fascinating.

Even Peter Levenda and Tom DeLonge's To The Stars Academy are promoting the (very reasonable!) thesis that all the ancient 'gods', in different cultures, were actually advanced Ancient Alien visitors with a range of different agendas and interrelationships.

I do think it's VERY likely that authentic, ancient attempts at recording real history have been HUGELY turned inside out and upside down


by the subsequent agendas of various authorities, and
simple (but very bad) translation errors.

That's because of


incomplete material (fragmented scrolls and partial documents) and
abstract concepts that are linguistically expressed so differently in different cultures that direct 1:1 translation necessitates a LOT of guesswork, even with the best intentions.

What that means is that we're left with a lot of very confused material that can NOT be relied on to be literally accurate or exact, and is open to a WIDE degree of interpretation. We always have to remember that.

As early as the second century AD (c.85—160) there was a wealthy scholar called Marcion who donated a lot of money to the early Roman Church.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcionism

The guy meant well, and was highly educated. He studied all the Old Testament and the early New Testament texts that were available to him (note: he very probably had good access to the subsequently lost or suppressed Gnostic texts) — and concluded that the Old Testament God was a different deity than the New Testament one.

He dutifully presented all his academic findings to the Church authorities. For his scholarship — and his 'sins'! — he was immediately excommunicated.

[pueblo]

So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.

The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy. :)

i think we are looking at two aspects of the same entity.

As the entity itself claims in Isaiah 45:7...


I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The creator god (not to be confused with Source) of this world is the god of duality, and as such contains within itself, and creates, both good and evil. It is the classic good cop/bad cop routine, with Yahweh playing both sides against the middle.

The Romans knew this god as the two faced Janus ( compare with the bible quote above)..


Janus presided over the beginning and ending of conflict, and hence war and peace. The gates of a building in Rome named after him, not a temple as it is often called, but an open enclosure with gates at each end, were opened in time of war, and closed to mark the arrival of peace (which did not happen very often).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Episode One is pretty interesting I agree (haven't had time for the others yet). To be honest, I can't really see what the fuss was about. I failed to spot any 'pro-luciferian' red flags (in this first episode anyway). They present an exploration of ancient history and Judaeo-Christian tradition, interjected with scholarly interpretations. It was not unlike many documentaries I've seen over the years on these themes, and they did quite a good job.

I slightly have to call into question their conclusions on the origin of the word 'satan'. They claim it means 'administrator', a title they pin on the being Enlil. I had always thought it was derived from the Hebrew word for 'adversary', or 'opposer'. Eg:

The common Christian translation - King James Version
Chronicles 21: (KJV)
1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Young's Literal Translation
Chronicles 21:
1 And there standeth up an adversary against Israel, and persuadeth David to number Israel

Not saying that's gospel (:)), but the reality of Satan could be sourced in a literal mistranslation.

Whatever the case, I doubt there's too much argument (here) that Satan was later seized upon by the church and exploited. They personified it as a being, to act as a literal yang to Christ's ying. Satan was really just a stick to hit people with and frighten them - and still do. Satan would be what awaited them in the afterlife if they failed to accept the church, follow all its laws, and pay all its tithes and tributes. For power they needed money, and for obedience they needed an incentive.

[Foxie Loxie]

Good point, Star Mariner! Just as the word we see as "angel" in the O.T. is actually "messenger", which could give a whole different scope to what we now understand!

Quoting Dresden James..."When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous & its speaker a raving lunatic." :bigsmile:

For centuries millions have accepted the tale that was woven for us & very few bothered to question it, at all. We didn't realize it was a web that entangled us & kept us in servitude to those in power at the top of the pyramid. I am speaking from personal experience so this is NOT a criticism.

Can't remember who said this, but it is so true! Each of us is an Eternal Being having an experience in this body, on this planet at this time. That throws a whole different light on to what each of us is living through! :Angel:

[Cardillac]

@Foxie

"Each of us is an Eternal Being having an experience in this body, on this planet at this time"

that was David Icke :-)

Larry :-)

[Zak247]

Ancient Civilization is a decent series with some pretty good stuff in it.

Not great, nothing one hasn’t seen on the discovery channel, but a watchable documentary series.

The myopic idea of they being Luciferian is ridiculous in the extreme. The concoction of a paranoid or a fool if you ask me.

[Cardillac]

if one has read the works of Dr. Joseph P. Farrell the entities of Enki and Enlil were not mythological characters; they were real beings-

Larry

[Sunny-side-up]

So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.

The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy. :)

i think we are looking at two aspects of the same entity.

As the entity itself claims in Isaiah 45:7...


I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The creator god (not to be confused with Source) of this world is the god of duality, and as such contains within itself, and creates, both good and evil. It is the classic good cop/bad cop routine, with Yahweh playing both sides against the middle.

The Romans knew this god as the two faced Janus ( compare with the bible quote above)..


Janus presided over the beginning and ending of conflict, and hence war and peace. The gates of a building in Rome named after him, not a temple as it is often called, but an open enclosure with gates at each end, were opened in time of war, and closed to mark the arrival of peace (which did not happen very often).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus


Being omnipotent, God has power over wind, water, gravity, physics, etc. God's power is infinite, or limitless. Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future.

Also over Good and evil.
He a trinity of Good, Evil and the collective Omniscience, omnipotent God

[Bill Ryan]

if one has read the works of Dr. Joseph P. Farrell the entities of Enki and Enlil were not mythological characters; they were real beings-

Yes. —>
Even Peter Levenda and Tom DeLonge's To The Stars Academy are promoting the (very reasonable!) thesis that all the ancient 'gods', in different cultures, were actually advanced Ancient Alien visitors with a range of different agendas and interrelationships.

[Zanshin]

Winston Shrout's take on this subject.

The Luciferian Rebellion.

Perhaps as evidence this is truthful -
Goldfish report has been enduring the same assault from youtube that many others have,

hence the bitchute link


https://www.bitchute.com/video/kFC9uXawqJCu/

[Ernie Nemeth]

Bill, thanks for the list. I have watched them all before on Gaia. They are very good. Great new facts. Excellent working thesis. Substantial in every way.

[TomKat]

So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.

The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy. :)

Dear Bill,

What/How do you Think/Feel about the theory of Jehovah demonstrating this disposition because of Earth's invasion of the "fallen ones" & the following "corruption"?

Like Jehovah was a real guy? It's mythology.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

I believe Jehovah was real - not a guy, but a group. A group of extra-terrestrial beings. But definitely not GOD.

It was not God who spoke to Moses, or inspired Akhenaten, or taught the Mayans, or sent the Great Flood, or any of these things accredited to God or blamed on him.

God is not an individual for a start; not a she, not a he, not a they. It is the One, and it is the All - of all space, time, and consciousness simultaneously, now, before, and forever. God cannot possibly individualize; it cannot incarnate as an entity, any more than the Earth, the solar system, or the galaxy itself could incarnate as an entity.

There is GOD, and there is 'god/gods', and they are two very different things - as different as a Universe is from a wisp of smoke.

I do not believe that GOD has ever or could ever:


appear to someone, with long white beard or otherwise
come down to Earth as a divine being
be a voice in anyone's head
be touchable, reachable, or knowable even on the spirit-planes
be conceived of mentally or spiritually on any practical level available to us


GOD is not a being, but very basically, the ultimate source of all things, and a presence (of the divine) in all things no matter how small.

By contrast, the small 'g' god is a being, just from another place who, long ago, in the minds of primitive peoples, was believed to be god-like in power and knowledge because they came from the sky - where 'God' supposedly lived - in magical silver boats, and could do wonderful things (or terrible), and were altogether superior to Man. In my relatively studied opinion, Ancient Aliens is exceedingly correct with many of the assumptions it makes.

[Zak247]

I believe Jehovah was real - not a guy, but a group. A group of extra-terrestrial beings. But definitely not GOD.

It was not God who spoke to Moses, or inspired Akhenaten, or taught the Mayans, or sent the Great Flood, or any of these things accredited to God or blamed on him.

God is not an individual for a start; not a she, not a he, not a they. It is the One, and it is the All - of all space, time, and consciousness simultaneously, now, before, and forever. God cannot possibly individualize; it cannot incarnate as an entity, any more than the Earth, the solar system, or the galaxy itself could incarnate as an entity.

There is GOD, and there is 'god/gods', and they are two very different things - as different as a Universe is from a wisp of smoke.

I do not believe that GOD has ever or could ever:


appear to someone, with long white beard or otherwise
come down to Earth as a divine being
be a voice in anyone's head
be touchable, reachable, or knowable even on the spirit-planes
be conceived of mentally or spiritually on any practical level available to us


GOD is not a being, but very basically, the ultimate source of all things, and a presence (of the divine) in all things no matter how small.

By contrast, the small 'g' god is a being, just from another place who, long ago, in the minds of primitive peoples, was believed to be god-like in power and knowledge because they came from the sky - where 'God' supposedly lived - in magical silver boats, and could do wonderful things (or terrible), and were altogether superior to Man. In my relatively studied opinion, Ancient Aliens is exceedingly correct with many of the assumptions it makes.


I agree with your ideas.

How would you define the divine?

[Zak247]

So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.

The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy. :)

Rhetorical question
If the NT God was so nice, then why did it require a torturing of Jesus?

[Zak247]

Imo, the reason why God is different, save for a few fundamental universal metaphysical realities, is because people are different.

These ‘gods” or aliens of the new paradigm Levenda and Delong and many others are trying to push to me is wrong.

This Sitchin/Annunaki/enki/enlil/ancient alien theory I don’t personally buy into, but that’s what they're pushing.

The only way that proto theology is true is if they are symbols of attributes of God.

[Justplain]

Regarding the gnostic view that the demiurge created this universe, this, to me, is an outlandish suggestion. If you examine reality in detail, it's incredible consistency in such astounding detail, and its paradoxical complexity and simplicity, this reality is a superb work of art. An absolute masterpiece.

The most astounding aspect of this reality is the ability of life forms to become self-aware, and in so doing becoming desirous of raising their consciousness back to the Source.

What i do find believable, is that some lesser light beings than the 'Prime Creator', or 'Source', have colluded to manipulate this reality for their own short-term gain. And humanity has suffered from this manipulation. And, hopefully, now is our time to throw out these 'god' frauds and realize our own divinity.

By the way, i wouldnt be looking at gaia tv to show me the way.

[Bill Ryan]

Regarding the gnostic view that the demiurge created this universe, this, to me, is an outlandish suggestion.

As best I know, this isn't what the Gnostics say. They say that the Demiurge is masquerading as the authentic God: an impersonator, mainly featuring and being showcased in the Old Testament, that's power-hungry and controlling, basically wants obedience and worship, and is given to punishing humans if he doesn't get what he wants.

[Bill Ryan]

Rhetorical question
If the NT God was so nice, then why did it require a torturing of Jesus?

Not rhetorical at all. Maybe Jesus wasn't 'tortured', though possibly he had to go through a painful facade of a faked crucifixion in which Pontius Pilate himself knew he had to be complicit in choreographing Jesus' survival and later freedom.

See all of Michael Baigent's research (and that of others) on this thread. Post your reply there! :)


The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61859-The-real-Jesus-the-real-Mary-Gnosis-the-Archons-and-the-world-s-first-major-smear-campaign)

:focus:

[Zak247]

Rhetorical question
If the NT God was so nice, then why did it require a torturing of Jesus?

Not rhetorical at all. Maybe Jesus wasn't 'tortured', though possibly he had to go through a painful facade of a faked crucifixion in which Pontius Pilate himself knew he had to be complicit in choreographing Jesus' survival and later freedom.

See all of Michael Baigent's research (and that of others) on this thread. Post your reply there! :)


The real Jesus, the real Mary, Gnosis, the Archons, and the world's first major smear campaign (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?61859-The-real-Jesus-the-real-Mary-Gnosis-the-Archons-and-the-world-s-first-major-smear-campaign)

:focus:


You know I’ve read some of the work of the fine authors Clive Prince and Lynn Picknett, and they suggest the crucifixion was a pantomime or merely a ritual.

I actually am sympathetic to that possibility. I adhere to the idea that Jesus’ crucifixion was a representation of the Fall of Man, and the eventual redemption through the spiritual work, which through my studies I think is the so-called Holy Grail--Mary Magdalena. She is the chief mythological symbol of the successful path back to God or our original nature (mythologically Virgin Mary) before the fall.

I know Michael Baigent's work very well and respect it, particularly of course,

Holy Blood Holy Grail

[Bill Ryan]

I’ve read some of the work of the fine authors Clive Prince and Lynn Picknett, and they suggest the crucifixion was a pantomime or merely a ritual.
[...]
I know Michael Baigent's work very well and respect it, particularly of course,

Holy Blood Holy Grail


Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, Henry Lincoln - Holy Blood, Holy Grail (2004)
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Michael%20Baigent%2C%20Richard%20Leigh%2C%20Henry%20Lincoln%20-%20Holy%20Blood%2C%20Holy%20Grail%20(2004).pdf



Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh - The Dead Sea Scrolls Deception (1993)
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Michael%20Baigent%2C%20Richard%20Leigh%20-%20The%20Dead%20Sea%20Scrolls%20Deception%20(1993).pdf



Michael Baigent - The Jesus Papers - Exposing the Greatest Cover-Up in History (2006)
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Michael%20Baigent%20-%20The%20Jesus%20Papers%20-%20Exposing%20the%20Greatest%20Cover-Up%20in%20History%20(2006).pdf



Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince - The Forbidden Universe - The Occult Origins of Science and the Search for the Mind of God
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Lynn%20Picknett%2C%20Clive%20Prince%20-%20The%20Forbidden%20Universe%20-%20The%20Occult%20Origins%20of%20Science%20and%20the%20Search%20for%20the%20Mind%20of%20God.pdf



Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince - The Stargate Conspiracy - Revealing the truth behind extraterrestrial contact, military intelligence and the mysteries of ancient Egypt
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Lynn%20Picknett%2C%20Clive%20Prince%20-%20The%20Stargate%20Conspiracy%20-%20Revealing%20the%20truth%20behind%20extraterrestrial%20contact%2C%20military%20intelligence%20and% 20the%20mysteries%20of%20ancient%20Egypt.pdf



Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince - The Templar Revelation - Secret Guardians of the True Identity of Christ
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Lynn%20Picknett%2C%20Clive%20Prince%20-%20The%20Templar%20Revelation%20-%20Secret%20Guardians%20of%20the%20True%20Identity%20of%20Christ.pdf

I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend The Jesus Papers by Michael Baigent. (The third link above ^^)


:focus:

[Zak247]

Bill, you’re a great resource brother.

The Dead Sea scrolls I haven’t read, thanks much, I m looking forward to reading

[Zak247]

The second AC video is about the tree of life, a subject I am well versed in.


Well, the TOL is the experience of this world itself; that is the whole experiential earth.

This tree or the Grand Tree or mother tree or source Tree is the Garden of Eden where the TOL abides on as one of the trees on its enclosed Garden. This LIFE tree is where the creative principle is existential.

It is the tree that is the inherent life principle itself, that's why we are so near life, death, animals and the constant recurring scene of life.

The other trees on the Mother Tree or Garden of Eden ARE NOT Life or the creative principle trees--they have other archetypal natures.

Remember God said, "Go upon any tree you want save this tree( referring to the TOL)

And as this forbidden tree, it is and was forbidden in primordial times, not as a permanent prohibition but one based on the reality that humans were not, at the time, qualified to inhabit the tree. Sort of like telling a 3-year-old child not to cross the street. That prohibition doesn’t apply when the child becomes a teenager.

The unfortunate thing is that since the fall of man we have become entrapped in the life cycle and that in itself has corrupted something in our faculties.



It’s a catch 22

[Zak247]

All the trees on the GOE were states of consciousness. The forbidden Tree (the source of our spiritual downfall) was this physical Earth Plane.

It must be understood that the prohibition, which the people on this video conjecture was some kind of unjust attempt to keep humans ignorant, WAS A TEMPORARY prohibition. Again, I bring up the analogy of prohibiting a child from playing in the street when their underage. That prohibition regarding Adam was not a permanent one or some kind of punishment from a jealous god afraid of making men god’s and is only based on the fact they lacked the mature capacity to navigate the then complex Tree of Life—the Earth plane. Therefore the prohibition was a practical act.

Human beings at their “creative” inception weren’t qualified to occupy the state of consciousness of the so-called forbidden tree, that’s why the “gods” or the “demiurge” forbade them the tree.

Ironically, philosophically, on this subject, though I castigate DW for his reckless accusing people of being “Luciferians” such as a person like the estimable Graham Hancock, here I think Hancock is wrong, metaphysically speaking, in his reliance on so called Gnostic lore in interpreting the basic story about the Tree of Life

Just my opinion

[Spellbound]

Many thx for the heads up on this series. I now have all 10 loaded on my hard drive, saved for my upcoming vacation.

Regarding the God talk....good guy....bad guy....what is God exactly?? I don't believe life unfolded the way the Bible says it did and I believe God (whatever that may be) is more of a spiritual thing than an entity that controls the fate of mankind. I attended a Christian school from grades 2 - 8 where everything was taught from a Biblical standpoint with Bible study every morning for 2 hours. I didn't really buy into it much back then...and as I've grown older, a little wiser, and with the help of the internet (the early Camelot videos and Avalon)....I've come to the conclusion that the earth (and everything in it) wasn't made in 6 days....I doubt Jesus walked on water nor did he perform miracles...I have difficulty believing in the 10 plagues of Egypt....and 40 years is a long time to be in the wilderness (let alone the parting of the Red sea).

God, to me, is spiritualism. Sure, there could be a force that put ALL of this in motion throughout the entire universe (call it the big bang or whatever).....but God (imo) is taken so literally these days by religion. IMO, religion was a concept developed by the powers that be (call it the cabal or the illuminati or reptilians)....as a means to control the masses (and for profit...and for war). I don't believe one must go to church every Sunday or rub rosary beads in order to get into heaven. I do believe in reincarnation though...and the good and bad in our lives guide where we end up in the next life. I used to work with a woman from Iraq who was highly religious to the extent that she was fanatical about it. She hated me with a passion (oil and water). She used to put religious pamphlets on my desk when I wasn't looking...she once told me I was going to hell.....and she complained about me to HR due to my swearing in the office (she complained about many people to HR....but I was her first complaint for which nothing happened). Ultimately, she was let go (fired) 18 months ago because she had run-ins with many other people. By Biblical terms I'd be defined as a pagan....but I think I'm a decent person and I don't believe I'm going to hell.

Apologies if this offends people. Live and let live.

Dave - Toronto

[Bill Ryan]

Well, I just finished Episode 2, and I confess it's losing my interest. I might not watch much more.

It seems not so much a real documentary about 'Ancient Civilizations' (false packaging!), but an in-depth presentation about Gnostic thought. It has Jay Weidner's personal stamp all over it.

No dreadful thing per se... and it's still not 'Luciferian'. Interesting is the reaction of Patty Greer and Laura Eisenhower (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?103398-David-Wilcock-s-apparently-very-real-letter-of-resignation-to-Gaia-TV&p=1235190&viewfull=1#post1235190) to it (both proponents of Sophia, especially Laura E). It's as if they just took David Wilcock's word for it all from his resignation letter and never checked out for themselves what the series was really promoting.

Episode 2 is all about Sophia. Laura Eisenhower should actually watch it. She should be cheering from her chair. :)

[Zak247]

Okay, these producers of Ancient Civilizations are a stew of Sitchin's Annunaki theory, a large portion of Gnosticism, and a dose of Hermetic doctrine, mixed with a strong flavor of a modern physics and spirituality ethos.

They graft a narrative of dualistic Enki/Enlil on certain Biblical mythological allegories.

Not bad stuff, but nothing new, spectacular, or particularly inspiring.

I will watch the rest.

But in watching these videos I have seen the devil

The commercials!

[Builder]

But in watching these videos I have seen the devil

The commercials!

Haha, the gist of the matter!

That's where in Goethe's Faust the poodle would show his true face as Mephistopheles ;-)

[Sunny-side-up]

I just jumped straight to episode 2, then ill watch No 10 and if I still concider good watching ill back track through the other episodes.
thx for posting Bill.

There is in my view a great deal of mixed up truths in these concepts, more so than main stream, that's for sure.
Pic and mix and you will be very near the real history.

[Sunny-side-up]

So they say the Gnostics say the God everybody’s been worshiping is really the devil or a demonic force.

The OLD Testament God (Jehovah). He was a badass. Not the New Testament one, who was a lot nicer, and may be a different guy. :)

i think we are looking at two aspects of the same entity.

As the entity itself claims in Isaiah 45:7...


I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The creator god (not to be confused with Source) of this world is the god of duality, and as such contains within itself, and creates, both good and evil. It is the classic good cop/bad cop routine, with Yahweh playing both sides against the middle.

The Romans knew this god as the two faced Janus ( compare with the bible quote above)..


Janus presided over the beginning and ending of conflict, and hence war and peace. The gates of a building in Rome named after him, not a temple as it is often called, but an open enclosure with gates at each end, were opened in time of war, and closed to mark the arrival of peace (which did not happen very often).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janus


Being omnipotent, God has power over wind, water, gravity, physics, etc. God's power is infinite, or limitless. Omniscience means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future.

Also over Good and evil.
He a trinity of Good, Evil and the collective Omniscience, omnipotent God

Edit, sorry I should have called him/her a Triad with the deciding vote being ruled in by the Omniscience part.

[AlyssaRoselyn]

The thing preventing people from having a more solid perspective of this theory is the need for the demon, devil, god terminology. In my studies one of the biggest things to remember is that there is no real "good" or "evil" standard to follow under. So since Satan has been programed to be evil and God is "good", the first step is to humanize these entities and stop seeing them in Christian terms. I'm going to go through a few different branches of my research so I'll try not to get too complex.
In Sumerian beliefs Satan is Enki and he is essentially trying to show human kind that they've been swindled and they are actually equal to the gods. In Greek mythology Satan surprisingly becomes Hermes, the messenger. This goes into the creation story where humans had 2 faces, 4 arms and legs, and two sets of genitalia. Basically when humans are told they've been manipulated they grab weapons (Hermes teaches them how to wield weapons) and they attempt to overthrow Zeus and Olympus. Zeus then splits the humans in half so that they spend their time feeling incomplete and searching for their other half instead of overthrowing the gods.
Now I've found a lot of information about the original text where the story of the Garden of Eden derives from was being retranslated. It's recently been found that the word "Paradise" was translated incorrectly; it's actually more like they're describing it as a concentration camp.
I'm more careful about throwing in Alien stories but the Annunaki apparently created Humans to complete mundane tasks that they felt were beneath them. If an advanced race did want to enslave humans it would probably be easiest if the slaves thought they were actually free.

Having workers believe they are loved and appreciated honestly isn't evil. It's no different than tricking a younger sibling into doing your chores and that doesn't equate to ultimate evil nor is it the most honorable thing to do. Humans always try to find ways to do less work through innovations so we are no different and are entitled to no type of judgment. It definitely sucks to have the ultimate truth of reality kept from you and twisted to confuse and manipulate but how else would anyone be convinced to do work for an entire lifetime.

I wouldn't say my parents are Satan for tricking me into believing money is real so that I do chores for compensation, but I definitely would get mad if I found out I could've just been mediating and creating my own reality the whole time. (Plus in pagan cultures it's more proper to see your god as a parent that deserves love, not worship and love is without judgment)

My biggest tip is to believe nothing but entertain everything so absolutely don't just believe what I say without question. That's why religion is dangerous; always do your own research and form your own opinion as you go.
But it is fun to see how everything can be tied together.

[Bill Ryan]

The thing preventing people from having a more solid perspective of this theory is the need for the demon, devil, god terminology. In my studies one of the biggest things to remember is that there is no real "good" or "evil" standard to follow under. So since Satan has been programed to be evil and God is "good", the first step is to humanize these entities and stop seeing them in Christian terms. I'm going to go through a few different branches of my research so I'll try not to get too complex.
In Sumerian beliefs Satan is Enki and he is essentially trying to show human kind that they've been swindled and they are actually equal to the gods. In Greek mythology Satan surprisingly becomes Hermes, the messenger. This goes into the creation story where humans had 2 faces, 4 arms and legs, and two sets of genitalia. Basically when humans are told they've been manipulated they grab weapons (Hermes teaches them how to wield weapons) and they attempt to overthrow Zeus and Olympus. Zeus then splits the humans in half so that they spend their time feeling incomplete and searching for their other half instead of overthrowing the gods.
Now I've found a lot of information about the original text where the story of the Garden of Eden derives from was being retranslated. It's recently been found that the word "Paradise" was translated incorrectly; it's actually more like they're describing it as a concentration camp.
I'm more careful about throwing in Alien stories but the Annunaki apparently created Humans to complete mundane tasks that they felt were beneath them. If an advanced race did want to enslave humans it would probably be easiest if the slaves thought they were actually free.

Having workers believe they are loved and appreciated honestly isn't evil. It's no different than tricking a younger sibling into doing your chores and that doesn't equate to ultimate evil nor is it the most honorable thing to do. Humans always try to find ways to do less work through innovations so we are no different and are entitled to no type of judgment. It definitely sucks to have the ultimate truth of reality kept from you and twisted to confuse and manipulate but how else would anyone be convinced to do work for an entire lifetime.

I wouldn't say my parents are Satan for tricking me into believing money is real so that I do chores for compensation, but I definitely would get mad if I found out I could've just been mediating and creating my own reality the whole time. (Plus in pagan cultures it's more proper to see your god as a parent that deserves love, not worship and love is without judgment)

My biggest tip is to believe nothing but entertain everything so absolutely don't just believe what I say without question. That's why religion is dangerous; always do your own research and form your own opinion as you go.
But it is fun to see how everything can be tied together.

Hey, thanks for posting these interesting thoughts. Do please post some more. We'd love to hear more from you — on anything at all. :star: :)

My own summary take on ALL this is just how much ancient texts have been turned upside down and inside out by a combo of (1) political/religious agendas from translating authorities, and (2) simple (but very way-out) misunderstandings.

It's not at all easy to figure out what the heck happened back then. But we CAN be pretty sure that it's nothing like what we've been taught in school, and indoctrinated by the Christian Church.

Graham Hancock's own summary that we're a 'species with amnesia' is exactly 100% right. The amnesia kicked in at the Younger-Dryas ice age, which wiped out almost the entire civilization that thrived at the time, and extends to as recently as 2,000 years ago. We don't remember much of the reality of Christian times, either, and are VERY dependent on what we're incorrectly told.

[Zak247]

Before I get off this subject, I’d like to give to this community what I have come to know how to decode the meaning of the allegory of the Garden of Eden

With all due respect, I believe these individuals who made this video Ancient Civilizations are leading us in the wrong direction by going back to the Sumerian myths.

Let me point out the so-called Bible and Quran are very suitable as they are in delineating these meanings

Let me explain...

First of all, the word paradise is a misnomer. The actual term according to Arabic and Hebrew sources is that the term for paradise or the Garden of Eden means enclosed Garden. Ganan in Hebrew and Jannah in Arabic

The original designation of the condition of the Garden of Eden was without duality… so there was no need for a word like paradise because there was no hell.
Hell came into existence ONLY after the Fall of man

So after the Fall of man, Ganan and Jannah became Gehenna( Hebrew word for hell) and Jahhannam( Arabic word for hell)

The world we live in

Originally, Adam was merely put in what is termed an enclosed garden of blissful states of consciousness he had ready access to. One indication that so-called hell is from the so-called paradise or the Garden of Eden is that the words for hell are extensions and derivatives of the words for paradise or Garden
Ganan= Garden /Gehenna= hell

Jannah= Garden/ Jahannam=hell

The Fall of man( into this negative world of suffering) is the transformation of the original garden (Jannah or Genan) into Jahannam or Gehenna)

Ganan= Garden /Gehenna= hell

Jannah= Garden/ Jahannam=hell

Hell is therefore merely a corruption of the garden

And believe it or not, all this religion is only an attempt to return to that original garden and avoid, (at the end of the time--APOCALYPSE) the Jahannam-hell lGehenna- hell' last gasp of its life.

End of time means the end of those created Hells, Jahannam in Arabic and Gehenna in Hebrew.

[Foxie Loxie]

Thanks for sharing, Zak247! Once I recognized the mindnumbed state I had lived in for 70 years & was able to find my answers here on Avalon, I have come to agree with Bruno Giordano.....that there is no need for a "revelation".... (books).... as not one of us can speak for the Cosmos. He was put to death for speaking his opinions....going against TPTB in that time period! :facepalm:

Of course it is great to take ALL of the ancient writings, put them together & see what we come up with! :star::star: But to raise one certain book to a status above all others....I no longer agree with that. How do we know if said book has even been translated correctly, as you have pointed out so ably! :highfive:

[Zak247]

Thanks for sharing, Zak247! Once I recognized the mindnumbed state I had lived in for 70 years & was able to find my answers here on Avalon, I have come to agree with Bruno Giordano.....that there is no need for a "revelation".... (books).... as not one of us can speak for the Cosmos. He was put to death for speaking his opinions....going against TPTB in that time period! :facepalm:

Of course, it is great to take ALL of the ancient writings, put them together & see what we come up with! :star::star: But to raise one certain book to a status above all others....I no longer agree with that. How do we know if said book has even been translated correctly, as you have pointed out so ably! :highfive:

Thanks for the kind words. I appreciate your post very much!

Giordano Bruno is one of the great men of our age.

When I read about what they did to him, and I really can’t read it because its so tragic, ironically, I get the feeling he was a Christ. Or the Christ in him was manifest.
I guess that may tell us outer labels have little meaning.


As for the holy books, all of the scriptures have truth in them, I believe.

Though we need insight on how to apply the wisdom therein.

That's because much in them is allegory

[Zak247]

I watched the final video about Interstellar Links to Gobekli Tepe, num 10

A very good video, IMO. It covers a lot of ground dealing with the Pyramids to Gobekli Tepe mainly with a lot of contributions from the fine writer Andrew Collins, and a smaller contribution from Graham Hancock, and others integral to the series.

They go over the interesting theory about the relationship of the world monuments and the stars, particularly a newly discovered star. Particularly of interest are the ideas and theories regarding Gobekli Tepe.

Not much if anything on Gnosticism.

https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dz8qg

[amor]

Because I hold all under deep suspicion, it is perfectly correct in my opinion to examine God's tonsils, should one ever encounter him, it or them.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Our lives, I have learnt, is a story mostly plotted by others, whose lives were plotted by other others who have since departed this world and their lives. It is merely narrated by the individual, as a logical sequence of cause and effect happenstance. Apparent tidbits of factoids appear in our awareness fleetingly, weighed and measured against this backdrop of hearsay reality. We inherit our zeitgeist. Most never leave its confines and never question its validity.

Where and when did this story begin? How has it remained viable over the millennia? A person's memory is as short as their lifespans. Who has had the capacity to remember for us? And have they remembered it correctly? If so, have they conveyed that recall to us without censorship, without motive or agenda?

These are the criteria that a discerning mind is compelled to answer, with the aforementioned shortcomings kept firmly front and center.

The answers are out there, hiding in plain sight. If not for mankind's myopic vision, and misplaced certainty, and belief in fairy tales, the answers would be ours.

It behooves us to keep an open mind because it is there that our vision can be corrected.

Only with true sight can we begin to rewrite the story we have been hobbled with and stride unfettered into an unwritten future.

[Richard S.]

The other episodes: (which I've not yet watched)


2: Gnostic Origins
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bj (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bj)



3: Tree of Life
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bk (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bk)



4: Tower of Babel
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bi (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bi)



5: Lost Cities beneath the Ocean
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bl (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dq4bl)



6: New Understandings of the Great Pyramid
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dviuq (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dviuq)



7: Decoding the Great Sphinx
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dviur (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dviur)



8: Portals to the Universe
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dvius (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dvius)



9: Entrances to Inner Earth
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dz8qf (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dz8qf)



10: Interstellar Links to Gobekli Tepe
https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dz8qg (https://dailymotion.com/video/x6dz8qg)


They were removed yesterday...

Anyone know where I can find them, except Gaiam?

TIA