China's TERRIFYING Social Credit System (it's already here)

[cursichella1]

Paul Joseph Watson on China's creepy Social Credit System. It's already rolling out in the U.S.--except here, Silicon Valley is monitoring, shaming and silencing dissenting voices "for our own good".

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[Franny]

This cheerleader thinks it's a fantastic idea.

http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/03/24/west-attacks-chinas-social-credit-system-to-deflect-from-its-fascist-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180325/

West attacks China’s Social Credit System to deflect from its fascist panopticon. China Rising Radio Sinoland 180325

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Western propaganda brilliantly and ceaselessly employs what is known as psychological reflection. This is a mental health term meaning that if you are guilty of being a pedophile or tax cheat, for example, you get on your soapbox about the evils of child molestation or fiscal crooks, respectively, while doing exactly that. Another great example is homophobia. Many homophobes, especially the most violent ones are repressed, closeted gays and lesbians, who internally loathe themselves.

Be it war, invasions, occupation, genocide, massacres, exterminations (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/03/17/wilfred-burchett-explains-why-like-all-good-fascists-every-day-is-my-lai-for-americans-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180319/), the use of chemical and biological weapons (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/03/12/noose-of-truth-is-tightening-around-milton-leitenberg-co-s-collective-neck-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180310/), institutionalized corruption, election fraud, pollution, CIA drug cartels, CIA organized crime (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/), ad nauseam, the West aggressively attacks all its enemies for being guilty of these and the rest of the world’s criminality, when in fact Eurangloland is the most brazen and bald faced Global Enemy #1 in every one of these categories, with the rest of humanity being its long-suffering victims.

Sadly, the West’s psychological reflection works so well that its endless tsunami of shameless lies and propaganda continues to win over the long term. Just look at how Eurangloland has completely perverted the opinions of the vast majority of the world’s people, at least those who do not live in communist-socialist countries, when it comes to Russia, the Russian people and its president, Vladimir Putin. Ditto Iran, Venezuela, North Korea (DPRK), Cuba, the Philippines and any other country (or its leader) that does not allow itself to be a craven whore for capitalist empire.

The effectiveness of western psychological reflection in the mainstream media is so thorough, that people I know who should see through this withering fog of propaganda are completely brainwashed. I call it being behind the Great Western Firewall. Yet, most Westerners I know who live overseas are just as clueless, due to their innate sense of racial superiority (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/11/10/all-the-chinese-people-want-is-respect-aretha-franklin-diplomacy-on-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171110/) and their unwillingness to look beyond CIA-MI6 CNN, New York Times, BBC, the Economist and all the other rubber stamp ventriloquist dummies that shill for their deep state masters. It is a demoralizing fact of life, something I passionately wrote about in Book #2 of The China Trilogy (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/05/19/the-china-trilogy/), China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/).

Eurangloland’s owners are throwing everything they have trying to destroy Russia, Iran, Venezuela and DPRK (let’s call them the Fearless Four) and too many others to name. You may notice that three of these four countries are some of the biggest hydrocarbon producers in the solar system, and that’s what the West’s elites really want to do, is bring down their respective governments and install puppet Boris Yeltsin’s, to commence with the rape of their citizens and plunder of their natural resources. It’s called capitalism, if you haven’t already figured it out or have yet to reluctantly accept the truth.

After 500 years of global tyranny and dictatorship, cracks in Western empire’s game plan are starting to show. The Fearless Four keep exposing Westerners for the racist buffoons and ideological zealots that they are. Almost nothing is working as planned near home base Europe (Russia and Iran) and America (Venezuela) Even North Korea’s very astute Kim Jong-Un is besting the West on the diplomatic front (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/08/28/why-dprk-will-n-e-v-e-r-stop-its-nuclear-arms-program-china-rising-radio-sinoland-170828/), having gotten Trump to agree to a joint summit (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/trump-kim-jong-un/555323/).

How much worse can it get for Western empire? It must be time to bomb another country into the Middle Ages, or invade a small, helpless, poorly defended country full of dark skinned people. Like Iraq, how about Grenada II? That’ll keep the beer and popcorn flowing in front of Westerners’ 25%-interest-installment-plan-purchased widescreen TVs, for a week of Hunger Games bread and circuses.

Way out east, OMG, along comes Baba Beijing (China’s leadership) to really make a mess for Eurangloland (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/11/23/china-tech-is-unstoppable-from-noodle-shops-to-outer-space-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171123/). It too continues to run circles around racist, greedy and let’s face it, incredibly hubristic Westerners, at least the deep state and its stooges who occupy positions of power in its “democratically elected” puppet governments (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/10/25/how-can-western-capitalism-beat-this-thats-the-rub-it-cant-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171022/

and http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/12/10/china-loves-being-number-two-behind-the-us-officially-of-course-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171210/).

Thus, the mainstream media Wehrmacht undoubtedly has on the boards to try to bring down Baba Beijing, but it is being held up. Why? Three’s company and the Fearless Four are already a crowd. You can only spread your resources of destruction and chaos so far. As any good fascist will tell you, the Big Lie means staying laser focused and relentlessly on-message. Given with how it’s currently playing out and knowing the ultimate goal is taking control of these Others’ human and natural resources, the propaganda tsunami against the Fearless Four is already reaching the point of diminishing marginal returns. Adding a fifth behemoth target like China (which is just as savvy and patient as the Fearless Four) has probably been deemed too much by the West’s owners.

Therefore, Baba Beijing has gotten off pretty lightly up to now, compared to the fascist Big Lie against the Fearless Four. But in the interim, that still doesn’t mean China gets off Scot-free. The CIA-MI6 mainstream media juggernaut sees a chink in China’s armor (sorry, I couldn’t resist the awful, off-color pun), with its rapidly developing (Chinese) Social Credit System (CSCS – http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/11/chinas-public-social-credit-system-versus-the-wests-secret-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180111/).

Patrice Greanville, Editor-in-Chief of The Greanville Post (http://www.greanvillepost.com/) sent to Godfree Roberts and me a hatchet piece about CSCS (https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/china-banning-people-from-transit-for-bad-social-credit-scores/). It originally came from Reuters, a CIA-MI6 chop shop from way back (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-credit/china-to-bar-people-with-bad-social-credit-from-planes-trains-idUSKCN1GS10S). James Corbett has a rabid, irrational fear of all things China-socialism-communism, so he piled on (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Buhli5MYk). Then Forbidden Knowledge ran with Corbett’s propaganda video, adding insult to injury.

Corbett is so cartoonishly bad about this subject, I even commented on it in China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/). It’s too bad, because otherwise he does some really good journalism. But then again, “liberal”, “progressive”, “alternative” journalists who have epileptic seizures at the mere whiff of China, socialism, communism or false flags (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/05/06/a-us-government-lie-exposed-the-1995-oklahoma-city-bombing-china-rising-radio-sinoland-170505/) are a renminbi a thousand. It takes courage and conviction to look outside your own bigoted, ideological blinders to admit that there are different points of view and squirm-in-your-seats, smoking gun evidence.

I sometimes wonder if journos like this get PayPal hongbao (red envelopes full of money given during Chinese New Year) from Langley and Vauxhall Cross, to post anti-Chinese propaganda. Or, maybe they are just your plain vanilla, subconscious racists (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/06/slavs-and-the-yellow-peril-are-niggers-brutes-and-beasts-in-the-eyes-of-western-empire-china-rising-radio-sinoland/). Forbidden Knowledge possibly didn’t notice it, but they allowed Godfree’s thoughtful and reasoned riposte to be published below their piece. If they nuke it, I have posted it below, safe for posterity.

In closing, here is a prime example of the difference between the West’s real life, fascist panopticon versus China’s open, honest and forthright Social Credit System. This month, China Central Television (CCTV) cooperated with Tencent Research (of Wechat fame) to do a national survey, talking to 8,000 citizens. The results were broadcast on CCTV, picked up by all the print and social media and it was the topic-of-the-country for a few days. Why? Because 76.3% of the respondents think that some kinds of artificial intelligence (AI) are a threat to their privacy (https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2018/03/06/the-increasing-use-of-artificial-intelligence-is-stoking-privacy-concerns-in-china/). As the world’s largest user of surveys and polls (I wrote a whole chapter on this in China Rising and here is an article that touches on it: http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2016/05/22/china-has-the-worlds-most-popular-government-for-a-reason-china-rising-radio-sinoland-160522/), I can guarantee you that the results of this poll and many others like it were/are put on President Xi Jinping’s desk, as well as in the hands of thousands of other decision makers in China’s government. Unlike the West, Baba Beijing and Chinese democracy are proactively responsive to the citizens’ concerns, hopes and aspirations (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/11/30/do-you-see-what-i-see-depends-on-where-you-look-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171130/). Thousands of poll results are synthesized, analyzed and end up in laws passed and policies changed. China’s is real people’s participatory democracy, not the elitist, Potemkin Western version (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/12/27/china-has-democracy-and-the-west-has-dictatorship-171227/).

Herewith is Godfree Robert’s comment about the Reuters/Corbett Report/Forbidden Knowledge fearmongering yarn about China’s SCS. It is a great combo with my aforementioned article on the same subject (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/11/chinas-public-social-credit-system-versus-the-wests-secret-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180111/).

I would like to preface Godfree by saying that in the CSCS, if you have substantial back taxes, delinquent loans, unpaid financial court settlements and the like, you can be banned from flying, or taking costlier highspeed trains here. They may even take your passport. The logic being, if you can afford to buzz all over the place, then why can’t you pay your debts? These are usually well-heeled citizens who have the assets to live the high life. They can always drive their (chauffeured) cars on China’s 131,000km of motorways, more than any other country in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size and http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/08/26/china-is-the-most-plugged-in-big-economy-in-the-world-china-rising-radio-sinoland-170824/). I have never heard of not being able to take the metro or standard trains, unless you are out of prison and on parole.

These kinds of restrictions and much more onerous ones are put upon citizens in the West. The United States is now routinely imprisoning poor people who owe money, East St. Louis being just one of many examples (https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/debtors-prison/462378/). That’s just the tip of the American iceberg for loss of freedoms and due process. The Oklahoma Department of Education (ODE) refuses to give me my updated teacher’s certificate, because I have sent in my tax returns to the IRS three times, and due to its incompetence, my returns have never been official registered in its database. Last summer, I even went to the Oklahoma Tax Commission and hand delivered my returns to them, but that’s not good enough. The feds say no go, so I’m out $50 at ODE for nothing but frustration and insults.

These kinds of governmental limits on freedom and due process are legendary in the West (I lived and worked in France for five years), often preying on the powerless, voiceless and dark skinned members of society. As Godfree explains below, the Chinese are getting legal recourse for the CSCS. I know experientially that they already have it in local courts for small claim redresses, because I threatened to sue my landlord in Beijing and he backed down, a true life story I detailed in China Is Communist Dammit – Dawn of the Red Dynasty (https://www.amazon.com/China-Communist-Dammit-Dawn-Dynasty/dp/6027354380/).

Godfree’s turn:

Erm, no. China’s very public Social Credit program is not America’s very secret No Fly List. Not even close.

Our media are interpreting yet another Chinese policy, Social Credit, in Western terms but China does things differently and, usually, better.

First, Social Credit is a popular initiative: the Chinese are the most trusting society on earth yet don’t have credit ratings so they’re tired of being scammed online for billions each year.

First [II], they trust the government–not private credit agencies like Equifax–to run projects that impact everyone because they trust their government far more than we trust ours: 86% of them say it works for everybody and not just for a fortunate few.

Second, Social Credit doesn’t just rate citizens. It rates everyone from government departments and individual officials to cops, corporations, Supreme Court justices, Congresspeople–absolutely everyone and every enterprise gets a social credit rating that arises naturally from their interactions with others.

Third, doesn’t this sound better than being secretly rated by private corporations who sell your information to other private corporations and secretly share it with government agencies–without your permission? And charge us for access to our own information? And offer no reciprocity? Ask TRW for a vendor’s credit history and current rating and what it costs you.

Fourth, Social Credit is 90% carrot and 10% stick: the higher your score the easier your life becomes. Japan and the Netherlands already offer expedited visa processing for tourists with scores above 750 and landlords and car rentals waive deposits if you’re over 800. It’s intended to be a magic carpet for those who play straight with everyone they encounter.

Fifth, all the rules are public and anyone can play and all changes to your SC rating are transparent to you, in real time. For free.

Sixth, China already has a prototype running, an online Social Credit Arbitration Court where, for a few dollars, you can have your case heard and receive a binding verdict that corrects mistakes. Millions of people use it and are refining it. It will go national in 2020.

Seventh, There’s an idealistic element: it’s part of China’s 2,000-year-old plan to create a ‘datong’ society in which (to be brief) everybody is taken care of and nobody needs to lock their doors at night: a goal every Chinese supports and which the government hopes to deliver by 2120. Imagine the effects of 100 years of Social Credit on the entire culture…

Customers applying for visas for developed countries, like Luxembourg or Japan, with scores above 750 need not submit bank records and enjoy perks like expedited airport security checks: a consumers’ magic carpet that reduces transaction fees and credit losses and builds consumer confidence. By 2018, more than 1,100 government officials had been blacklisted.

More carrot than stick, corporations with strong social credit can expect government contracts and low-interest loans and raises small corporations’ credit if they observe consumer and product safety regulations, while debiting them for unreliability, dishonesty, excess emissions and even poor worker safety. Regulators say that, when the system becomes integrated it will generate corporate scorecards directly from sensor data, CCTV cameras, government and court records and consumer reviews.

The program comes with a sting in its tail, as Oxford University’s Rogier Creemers says, “When rules are broken and not rectified in time you are entered in a list of ‘people subject to enforcement for trust breaking’ and denied access to things. Rules broken by corporations can lead to them being unable to issue corporate bonds and individuals being unable to become company directors. Trust-breakers can face penalties on subsidies, career progression, asset ownership and the ability to receive honorary titles from the Chinese government. Those who fail to repay debts are punished by travel restrictions”.

A typical travel restriction made the news in 2017 when a real estate developer attempted to book a first class ticket to London and found that the system would only issue him a tourist seat. When he investigated he found that his restriction stemmed from several court judgements whose penalties he had not paid. By 2018, the People’s Court had banned six million defaulters from traveling by air and was working with government departments to ensure that they would be ‘limited on multiple levels’. A local court got creative: when someone calls a delinquent debtor in Dengfeng, Henan Province, instead of a ringtone they hear, “The person you are calling is listed as dishonest by the Dengfeng People’s Court. Please urge them to fulfill their obligations”.

Social Credit gives consumers the same access to corporate and government ratings as corporations and governments have to consumers and make a highly trusting society transparent. Since it will be operational by 2020 and will doubtless arouse Western fears of Orwellian control, here is the official summary of the State Council’s Basic Plan for Establishing and Improving Systems of Joint Incentives for Trustworthiness [I posted the link to the whole document in my related article- http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/11/chinas-public-social-credit-system-versus-the-wests-secret-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180111/]:

Praise creditworthiness, discipline untrustworthiness. Fully utilize credit incentives and constraints, increasing the extent of incentives for trustworthy entities and of disciplinary actions for seriously untrustworthy entities, letting the trustworthy receive benefits and the untrustworthy be subject to restrictions, forming systemic mechanisms for praising honesty and disciplining untrustworthiness.

Coordinate departmental and social action. By disclosing and sharing credit information, establish cross-region, interdepartmental, and cross-sector mechanisms for joint incentives and joint disciplinary action, forming a common governance structure in which government departments coordinate their concerted action, industry organizes self-discipline and management, credit service organizations actively participate–all broadly supervised by public opinion.

Protect rights and interests in accordance with laws and regulations. Strictly follow laws, regulations and policies to scientifically delineate trustworthy and untrustworthy conduct, develop joint incentives for trustworthiness and joint disciplinary action for untrustworthiness.

Establish complete mechanisms for credit restoration, objections, appeals and so forth to protect all participants’ lawful rights and interests [the Social Credit Arbitration Court].

Focus on key points, coordinate advancement. Persist in being problem-oriented, striving to resolve credit issues in key industries that are currently harmful to the public interest and public safety, on which many people have given strong feedback [recall all the polls and surveys discussed above], or which have caused serious negative impacts on economic and social development.

Encourage and support innovations and demonstrations by local people’s governments and relevant departments and gradually expand mechanisms for jointly incentivizing trustworthiness and jointly discipline untrustworthiness to every area of the economy and society.

This is another Big Chinese Experiment, a revolutionary way for people and institutions to relate to one another so let’s give it a chance. Who knows? We might learn something.

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[ichingcarpenter]

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Dark mirror .. nose dive


: The episode is set in a world where people can rate each other from one to five stars for every interaction they have, which can impact their socioeconomic status. Lacie (Bryce Dallas Howard) is a young woman overly obsessed with her ratings; she finds an opportunity to elevate her ratings greatly and move into a more luxurious residence after being chosen by her popular childhood friend (Alice Eve) as the maid of honour for her wedding. Her obsession leads to several mishaps on her journey to the wedding that culminate in a rapid reduction in her ratings.


Society uses a technology where, through eye implants and mobile devices, everyone shares their daily activities and rates their interactions with others on a one-to-five star scale, which affects that person's overall rating. One's current average can be seen by others and has significant influence on their socioeconomic status.

Lacie Pound (Bryce Dallas Howard) currently has a 4.2 rating, seeking to reach 4.5 for a discount to a luxury apartment; however, her attempts to be an outgoing and pleasant socialite do little to help. She lives with brother Ryan (James Norton), who is not interested in ratings. Lacie talks to a consultant who suggests gaining favour from very highly-rated people, as they have larger impacts on scores. Lacie takes a photograph of Mr. Rags, a teddy bear that she and childhood friend, the now highly-rated Naomi (Alice Eve), made together. She is pleased when Naomi rates the photo five stars and calls her, saying that she is engaged. Lacie agrees to deliver a speech as the maid of honour, hoping it will boost her rating to above 4.5. Lacie then commits on the luxury apartment.

On the day of her flight, Lacie gets into a disagreement with Ryan, missing her ride, and runs into a passerby who spills their coffee. The two rate her negatively, dropping her below 4.2. At the airport, her flight is cancelled and she cannot buy a seat with her current rating. Lacie causes a scene, where security intervenes and subtracts a full point for a period of 24 hours, as well as doubling the effect of subsequent negative ratings against her. Because of her low rating, Lacie can only rent an older car to drive to the wedding, causing her to miss Naomi's rehearsal dinner. She cannot recharge the car when it runs out of power, and is forced to hitchhike; she rides with Susan (Cherry Jones), a truck driver rated below a 2.0. Susan tells Lacie that she used to care about her rating, once a 4.6, until her late husband was passed over for vital cancer treatment for a person a tenth above his rating; she feels much freer without obsessing over ratings.

The next day, while Lacie is en route to the wedding via RV, Naomi tells her to not come, as her severely reduced rating will negatively impact her own ratings. Enraged, Lacie manages to get to the site of the wedding and sneak in during the celebratory dinner. She grabs the microphone and starts giving the speech she had written but starts becoming dangerously upset, at one point grabbing a knife and threatening to behead Mr. Rags. The guests rate Lacie negatively, so her rating drops to below one star. Security comes and arrests Lacie. She is taken to prison, the technology supporting the rating system removed from her eyes, and placed in a cell. She gets into an argument with a man in a separate cell (Sope Dirisu), also stripped of the rating hardware, and both realise how freeing it is to speak without worrying about being rated.



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[James]

Forgive me if I’m naive, but here in the States, it’s relatively common for “Boomers” and those over the age of 40 to put a lot of self worth and value into their credit scores. Millennials like myself are a bit skeptical over the concept of a credit score, and either don’t have much credit established, or have poor numbers.

Since Social Credits seem to operate much like a credit score here (ability to “move forward” in society and upgrade your living/driving arrangements) I would think a good target audience in the States for a similar system would be us Millennials. It would surely appear as a fresh start for Equifax-leery 20-somethings, and would be a sure fire way to refresh the stale old machine, allowing it to shed its dry scales and slither into the next era.

Maybe UltraFICO (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/new-fico-score-millennials-could-be-big-winners/) is a preview of this, testing the water with the big toe?

Yikes, again!

[Flash]

Forgive me if I’m naive, but here in the States, it’s relatively common for “Boomers” and those over the age of 40 to put a lot of self worth and value into their credit scores. Millennials like myself are a bit skeptical over the concept of a credit score, and either don’t have much credit established, or have poor numbers.

Since Social Credits seem to operate much like a credit score here (ability to “move forward” in society and upgrade your living/driving arrangements) I would think a good target audience in the States for a similar system would be us Millennials. It would surely appear as a fresh start for Equifax-leery 20-somethings, and would be a sure fire way to refresh the stale old machine, allowing it to shed its dry scales and slither into the next era.

Maybe UltraFICO (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/new-fico-score-millennials-could-be-big-winners/) is a preview of this, testing the water with the big toe?

Yikes, again!

I had a boss recently who would do everything on being liked, We had to be liked by everybody (she is a generation X from a small town). If anybody would compalint about you on anything, it was a catastrophy, you were the bad one. As it is impossible to be perfect in everybody's eye, she would end up not being happy with her employees.

Of course, she would not support her employees if they encountered any difficulties with someone else, even when unrelated to the job. You had to geet in the office and say Hi to everyone, every morning otherwise you were not a team player (I had seen that in France, but never in America).

Of course, the hard to do management was never done on a daily basis, she would not have been nice.

It was literally suffocating. I was calling it management by nicy and nicing, the only deciding factor.

I wish that to nobody, it kills ideas, it kills originality and the brightest ones have their head chopped off.

[chris_walker]

Maoist-Marxist-Leninist-Communist China is the model the western self appointed government elites have planned for us in the west.

[Bubu]

taking the "thought police" to the next level.:bigsmile:

[ramus]

If in China they ban you from flying for walking a dog without a leash, what would they do to you for hate speech against your elect President.
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China bans millions of people from traveling for violating its ‘social credit’ system

Published: Feb 22, 2019 9:54 a.m. ET

Offenses range from failure pay taxes, false advertising and even minor ones like walking a dog without a leash.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-bans-17-million-people-from-traveling-for-violating-its-social-credit-system-2019-02-22?mod=associated-press

BEIJING (AP) — Forgot to pay a fine in China? Then forget about buying an airline ticket.

Would-be air travelers were blocked from buying tickets 17.5 million times last year under a controversial “social credit” system the ruling Communist Party says will improve public behavior.

Some 5.5 million people were barred from buying train tickets, according to the National Public Credit Information Center. In an annual report, it said 128 people were blocked from leaving China because they were behind on their taxes.

The ruling party says penalties and rewards under “social credit” will improve order in a fast-changing society. Three decades of economic reform have shaken up social structures. Markets are rife with counterfeit goods and fraud.

The system is part of efforts by President Xi Jinping’s government to use technology from data processing to genetic sequencing and facial recognition to tighten control.

Authorities have experimented with “social credit” since 2014 in areas across China. Points are deducted for breaking the law or, in some areas, offenses as minor as walking a dog without a leash.

Human rights activists say “social credit” is too rigid and might unfairly label people as untrustworthy without telling them they have lost status or how to restore it.

U.S. Vice President Mike Pence criticized it in October as “an Orwellian system premised on controlling virtually every facet of human life.”

The ruling party says it plans to have a nationwide “social credit” system in place by 2020 but has yet to say how it will operate.

Possible penalties include restrictions on travel, business and access to education. A slogan repeated in state media says, “Once you lose trust, you will face restrictions everywhere.”

Companies on the blacklist can lose government contracts or access to bank loans.

Offenses penalized under “social credit” last year ranged from failure pay taxes to false advertising or violating drug safety rules, the government information center said. Individuals were blocked 290,000 times from taking senior management jobs or acting as a company’s legal representative.

It gave no details of how many people live in areas with “social credit” systems.

“Social credit” is one facet of efforts by the ruling party to take advantage of increased computing power, artificial intelligence and other technology to track and control the Chinese public.

The police ministry launched an initiative dubbed “Golden Shield” in 2000 to build a nationwide digital network to track individuals.

The ruling party is spending heavily to roll out facial recognition systems. Human rights activists say people in Muslim and other ethnic minority areas have been compelled to give blood samples for a genetic database.

Those systems rely heavily on foreign technology, which has prompted criticism of U.S. and European suppliers for enabling human rights abuses.

This week, Waltham, Massachusetts-based Thermo Fisher Scientific Inc. said it no longer would sell or service genetic sequencers in the Muslim-majority region of Xinjiang following criticism they were used for surveillance.

As many as 1 million Uighurs, Kazakhs and other Muslim minorities in Xinjiang are detained in political education camps, according to U.S. officials and United Nations experts. The government says those camps are vocational training centers designed to rid the region of extremism.

[Did You See Them]

I weep for the future of humanity :cry:

[Axman]

I weep for the future of humanity :cry:

Amen
I do to listening to some of whats out there is scary.

The Axman

[BMJ]

For anyone whom is unaware of what this is, see below.

Penalties for jay walking to visiting unauthorised sites on the internet etc will lead to all sorts restrictions, in an effort to make the china's people conform to government approved norms.

China's TERRIFYING Social Credit System

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Paul Joseph Watson
Published on Nov 25, 2018
And how it's already operating in the west.

[ramus]

It was brought to my attention that the title to the article was incorrect, ( Would-be air travelers were blocked from buying tickets 17.5 million times last year) ... not 17 million people ..just another example of the media painting a picture that is skewed. I think the # was 5.5 million people were barred from buying train tickets. No statistics on how many plane tickets were denied.

WORDS paint a picture for your mind, MSM knows what picture they want you to see.

[bogdan9310]

A lot of awful stories about china. But before you criticize them, think about that the western civilizations are doing this behind your back. China is just being honest.

[DeDukshyn]

There's a lot wrong with that OP article.

There's a massive conflation of all sorts of assumptions and speculations being presented as fact.

What I am seeing is China cracking down on tax evaders and not letting them leave the country -- USA does the exact same thing.
Banning your travel from not walking you dog with a leash isn't something that actually happened to anyone.

That aside, lumping all criminal activities together into a "credit" system though is obviously going to be rife with issues. That's the only real story here.

[Valerie Villars]

Well, I won't be going to China anytime soon. They would never let me leave.

And here in the U.S. you are banned in certain states from getting a driver's license if you owe over a certain amount in State taxes. Amounts vary from state to state.

Ain't life grand?

[Pam]

This credit system has the ability to control everything you do and who you will associate with. It is absolutely terrifying. I was watching a you tube video and one of the ads that came up was for Sesame Credit (this is the company that created the system) . It had a really friendly vibe about getting access to your free credit score from Sesame Credit. It was for US audiences. I believe the purpose of that is get you to let your guard down when you hear that name. They aren't trying to make their name known in the US for nothing. We are being primed for the same thing. It will just have a different flavor for the Americans. There will be people like my sister who will be fine with it because she says she has nothing to hide. She is naive enough to believe that because she is a law abiding citizen she will never be recipient of any repercussions from something like this. These are the people that will let this happen.

[Pam]

There's a lot wrong with that OP article.

There's a massive conflation of all sorts of assumptions and speculations being presented as fact.

What I am seeing is China cracking down on tax evaders and not letting them leave the country -- USA does the exact same thing.
Banning your travel from not walking you dog with a leash isn't something that actually happened to anyone.

That aside, lumping all criminal activities together into a "credit" system though is obviously going to be rife with issues. That's the only real story here.

I don't think anyone believes you are not getting to travel for a dog walking citation. After all, it is a cumulative social score, it is not based on a single act. I have read that how much alcohol you purchase is reflected in your social score as well as other purchases you make. It has to do with almost every aspect of your life. The goal is that you will lead the life that the government defines as outstanding, and if you do, you are rewarded, if you don't you will be punished. I have watched interviews of journalists that may be a bit too candid that have their social credit system diminished to the point of not being able to purchase tickets. Also, if you associate with undesirables, your score will suffer, although I am not sure how they would know that. So they are there, all the time turning your life into a point system . I find it really revolting at a core level. At the same time I find it a brilliant mechanism of control.

[Carmody]

No matter how anyone looks at it, I think and feel it is a terrifying precedent to see in action.


The ruling party is spending heavily to roll out facial recognition systems. Human rights activists say people in Muslim and other ethnic minority areas have been compelled to give blood samples for a genetic database.

That part just got a HUGE boost, the other day. Of course it comes from Singapore.



New program picks out targets in a crowd quickly and efficiently (https://phys.org/news/2019-02-crowd-quickly-efficiently.html)


It can be harder for computers to find Waldo, an elusive character that hides within crowds in a popular children's book series, than it is for humans.

Now, an A*STAR researcher and her colleagues have developed a biologically-inspired program that could enable computers to identify real-life Waldos and other targets more efficiently.

Computer image analysis is routinely used in medicine, security, and rescue. Speed is often critical in these efforts, says Mengmi Zhang, a computer scientist at A*STAR's Institute for Infocomm Research, who led the study. She cites the use of computers to help find victims of natural disasters, such as earthquakes.

But these efforts are often hampered because computers lack human intuition. A person can quickly spot a dog in a crowded space, for instance, even if they have never seen that particular dog before. A computer, by contrast, needs to be trained using thousands of images of different dogs, and even then, they can falter when looking for a new dog whose image they have not encountered previously.

This weakness could be particularly problematic when scanning for weapons, says Zhang. A computer trained to look for knives and guns, might overlook another sharp object. "If there is one sharp metal stick which has not been seen in the training set, it doesn't mean the passenger should be able to take it on board the airplane," says Zhang.

Current computer searches also tend to be slow because the computer must scan every part of an image in sequence, paying equal attention to each part. Humans, however, rapidly shift their attention between several different locations in an image to find their target. Zhang and her colleagues' wanted to understand how humans do this so efficiently. They presented 45 people with crowded images and asked them to hunt for a target, say, a sheep. They monitored how the subjects' eyes darted around the scene, fixating briefly on different locations in the image. They found that, on average, people could locate the sheep in around 640 milliseconds. This corresponded to switching the location of their gaze, on average, just over two and a half times.

The team then developed a computer model to implement this more human-like search strategy in the hunt for a dog. Rather than looking for a target that was identical to an image of a dog given beforehand, the model was trained to look for something that had similar features to the example image. This enabled the model to generalize from a single dog image, to the "general concept of a dog," and quickly pick out other dogs it had not seen before, explains Zhang.

The researchers tested how effective the new computer visual search model was by measuring the number of times the computer had to fixate on different locations in a scene before finding its target. "What surprises us is that by using our method, computers can search images as fast as humans, even when searching for objects they've never seen before," says Zhang. The computer was even as good as humans at finding Waldo.

The team is now programming their model with a better understanding of context. For example, humans naturally understand that a cup is more likely to be sitting on a table than floating in the air. Once implemented, this should improve the model's efficiency even further, says Zhang, adding, "Waldo cannot hide anymore."

[ramus]

@Carmody , I have a thread on just this topic :

China is putting surveillance cameras in plenty of schools

https://www.abacusnews.com/digital-l...rticle/3000524

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Once again pay attention to the way this is worded ...

Where US schools turn to facial recognition for safety, Chinese schools are doing it to manage students .. U.S. IS GOOD CHINA IS BAD ..
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Being watched by facial recognition cameras when walking around schools? That's not sci-fi anymore.

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106131-New-Surveillance-and-Personal-Security-issue--cameras-on-planes-

[DeDukshyn]

There's a lot wrong with that OP article.

There's a massive conflation of all sorts of assumptions and speculations being presented as fact.

What I am seeing is China cracking down on tax evaders and not letting them leave the country -- USA does the exact same thing.
Banning your travel from not walking you dog with a leash isn't something that actually happened to anyone.

That aside, lumping all criminal activities together into a "credit" system though is obviously going to be rife with issues. That's the only real story here.

I don't think anyone believes you are not getting to travel for a dog walking citation...

That's why I think its a crappy article -- attempting to conflate things to make x look like Y to garner the expected emotional reaction. What looks like Ramus' own addition (the first line) doesn't seem to be helping that either.

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Back to the topic ...
The "American" version of this social credit system would be more casual, and look more like the episode of Black Mirror called "Nosedive" -- we are already halfway there ... its a pretty good episode. :)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5497778/?ref_=ttep_ep1




"A woman desperate to boost her social media score hits the jackpot when she's invited to a swanky wedding, but the trip doesn't go as planned. "

[ramus]

It's a crappy article, that's the point. This shows that the media is a propaganda machine.

[Flash]

There's a lot wrong with that OP article.

There's a massive conflation of all sorts of assumptions and speculations being presented as fact.

What I am seeing is China cracking down on tax evaders and not letting them leave the country -- USA does the exact same thing.
Banning your travel from not walking you dog with a leash isn't something that actually happened to anyone.

That aside, lumping all criminal activities together into a "credit" system though is obviously going to be rife with issues. That's the only real story here.

I don't think anyone believes you are not getting to travel for a dog walking citation...

That's why I think its a crappy article -- attempting to conflate things to make x look like Y to garner the expected emotional reaction. What looks like Ramus' own addition (the first line) doesn't seem to be helping that either.

-----

Back to the topic ...
The "American" version of this social credit system would be more casual, and look more like the episode of Black Mirror called "Nosedive" -- we are already halfway there ... its a pretty good episode. :)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5497778/?ref_=ttep_ep1




"A woman desperate to boost her social media score hits the jackpot when she's invited to a swanky wedding, but the trip doesn't go as planned. "

that was a very good episode. I have worked for a woman who has a management style that i would call the "dysney management: be nice at all cost, as long as you smile and everybody likes you" you were fine. No complaints towards you, no frowning from anybody towards you, you had to be the perfect social butterfly, not important if you had substance or not.

It was literally choking.

whatever China or the USA is doing in a slow motion or an obvious one towards this direction, it will be choking for the people, for creativity, for analysis of situations, name it.

[AutumnW]

Nosedive episode of Black Mirror was the best viewing ever. And yes, what is happening in China is just a foreshadowing of what is to come here.

[Denise/Dizi]

@Carmody , I have a thread on just this topic :

China is putting surveillance cameras in plenty of schools

https://www.abacusnews.com/digital-l...rticle/3000524

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Once again pay attention to the way this is worded ...

Where US schools turn to facial recognition for safety, Chinese schools are doing it to manage students .. U.S. IS GOOD CHINA IS BAD ..
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Being watched by facial recognition cameras when walking around schools? That's not sci-fi anymore.

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http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106131-New-Surveillance-and-Personal-Security-issue--cameras-on-planes-

very good point!

[Pam]

There's a lot wrong with that OP article.

There's a massive conflation of all sorts of assumptions and speculations being presented as fact.

What I am seeing is China cracking down on tax evaders and not letting them leave the country -- USA does the exact same thing.
Banning your travel from not walking you dog with a leash isn't something that actually happened to anyone.

That aside, lumping all criminal activities together into a "credit" system though is obviously going to be rife with issues. That's the only real story here.

I don't think anyone believes you are not getting to travel for a dog walking citation...

That's why I think its a crappy article -- attempting to conflate things to make x look like Y to garner the expected emotional reaction. What looks like Ramus' own addition (the first line) doesn't seem to be helping that either.

-----

Back to the topic ...
The "American" version of this social credit system would be more casual, and look more like the episode of Black Mirror called "Nosedive" -- we are already halfway there ... its a pretty good episode. :)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5497778/?ref_=ttep_ep1




"A woman desperate to boost her social media score hits the jackpot when she's invited to a swanky wedding, but the trip doesn't go as planned. "

You are right about the American version. I have watched the episode "Nose Dive". Culturally we are so primed to do that. Most people have their phones in their hands and we have been conditioned to rate all kinds of things. Now all we need is a bit of trans humanism or some amped up contact lenses and we'll be ready to go.Look at the way some people are focused on how many "likes" or how many followers or subscribers they have, equating that with acceptance, friendship and popularity. Maybe even using it as cheap substitute for friends, family and real acceptance. That is just a stones throw from what our social credit system will look like. The concept of absorbing the masses in rating each interaction and being consumed with a score which will effect your life at every level would be the most compelling way to keep the masses distracted, a modern day bread and circus approach.

[Bill Ryan]

From https://infowars.com/trump-administration-considering-social-credit-score-system-to-determine-who-can-buy-a-gun
4 Sept, 2019

Trump Administration Considering Social Credit Score System to Determine Who Can Buy a Gun

The Trump administration is considering launching a social credit score-style system in coordination with Big Tech that would use spy data collected from Amazon, Google and Apple devices to determine whether or not an individual can own a gun.

“The proposal is part of an initiative to create a Health Advanced Research Projects Agency (HARPA), which would be located inside the Health and Human Services Department,” reports the Daily Caller (https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/22/trump-gun-control-background/). “The new agency would have a separate budget and the president would be responsible for appointing its director.”

HARPA would employ “breakthrough technologies with high specificity and sensitivity for early diagnosis of neuropsychiatric violence,” including Apple Watches, Amazon Echo and Google Home.
In other words, data collected from devices that spy on private conversations and closely monitor user behavior would be used to strip Americans of their fundamental rights.

“Though the proposal is starting as a voluntary data collection scheme allegedly aimed at finding warning signs of mental illness, we all know so-called “voluntary” government programs often become mandatory at the drop of a hat,” comments Chris Menahan (http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=60673).

According to the Washington Post, Trump has reacted “very positively” to the idea.

The full scope of the program is chilling and would provide Big Tech with an easy excuse to formally impose the total neuro-surveillance of citizens via their smart phone and home assistant devices, something that has already been occurring surreptitiously for years.

One wonders if Trump has any idea of the slippery slope this would entail, or whether he was sold on the idea because Ivanka cried.

The proposal bears some similarities to Communist China’s social credit score system, where citizens’ behavior is tightly surveilled and then met with rewards or punishments.

As we reported (https://summit.news/2019/08/19/chinese-social-credit-score-prevents-2-5-million-discredited-entities-from-buying-plane-tickets/) last month, the Chinese government bragged about preventing 2.5 million “discredited entities” from purchasing plane tickets and 90,000 people from buying high speed train tickets in the month of July alone.

[Hervé]

Jon Rappoport $0.02:

Psychiatry in charge of gun control: utter disaster (https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/09/05/psychiatry-in-charge-of-gun-control-utter-disaster/)

by Jon Rappoport (https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/author/jonrappoport/)
Sep5 (https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/09/05/psychiatry-in-charge-of-gun-control-utter-disaster/) , 2019

During the reign of Barack Obama, mass shootings prompted a White House declaration that community mental health centers would be created across America, in order to spot and treat persons before they committed violent acts. Now, under Trump, we are seeing a similar reaction, with a twist.

The Daily Caller, Aug 22, 2019: “Trump Admin Is Considering Using Amazon Echo And Apple Watch To Determine If Citizens Should Own A Gun” (https://dailycaller.com/2019/08/22/trump-gun-control-background/)

“The Trump administration is considering a proposal that would use Google, Amazon and Apple to collect data on users who exhibit characteristics of mental illness that could lead to violent behavior, The Washington Post reported Thursday.”

“The proposal is part of an initiative to create a Health Advanced Research Projects Agency (HARPA), which would be located inside the Health and Human Services Department, the report notes, citing sources inside the administration. The new agency would have a separate budget and the president would be responsible for appointing its director.”

“HARPA would develop ‘breakthrough technologies with high specificity and sensitivity for early diagnosis of neuropsychiatric violence,’ according to a copy of the proposal. ‘A multi-modality solution, along with real-time data analytics, is needed to achieve such an accurate diagnosis’.”

“The document lists several technologies that could be employed to help collect information, including Apple Watches, Amazon Echo and Google Home. Geoffrey Ling, the lead scientific adviser on HARPA, told reporters Thursday the plan would require enormous amounts of data and ‘scientific rigor.’”
Translation:
Use all available resources to spy on Americans; and by deploying psychiatric definitions of mental disorders, somehow intercede before potentially violent individuals can legally obtain a weapon. Whether or not you favor gun control, creating this new federal agency would be on the order of injecting poisons in people to prevent poisoning.
Why? Because some of the most popular psychiatric drugs, given for “mental disorders,” cause people to go over the edge and commit violent acts, including murder. Once diagnosed, an uninformed person is at the mercy of psychiatrists who refuse to admit what their drugs are creating.

NOTE: Withdrawing from the drugs without expert supervision can result in effects which are even worse than those resulting from taking the drugs.

Here is an excerpt from my 1999 white paper, “Why Do They Do It? School shootings Across America.” (https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2012/02/11/the-school-shooting-white-paper/):

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Full article: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/09/05/psychiatry-in-charge-of-gun-control-utter-disaster/


Related:


Connecticut man has guns confiscated and is arrested after sharing meme on Facebook (https://reclaimthenet.org/man-guns-confiscated-arrested-sharing-meme-red-flag-laws/)



What Are ‘Red Flag’ Gun Laws, and How Do They Work? (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/us/red-flag-laws.html)

[Franny]

Where Eyes Wide Shut Meets Social Credit Scores

This isn't about their behavior, it's about the fact that they are building tools to scrutinize, judge, and literally rank and score the behavior of others in a system that will increasingly have real world consequences... and who are they to judge??

Actually, it is about their behavior, their "Eyes Wide Shut" behavior as well as their ability to determine and judge the behavior of others by completely different rules.

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[Hervé]

Inside China's High-Tech Dystopia


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Premiered Jan 24, 2019

In part three of Hello World Shenzhen, Bloomberg Businessweek’s Ashlee Vance heads out into a city where you can't use cash or credit cards, only your smartphone, where AI facial-recognition software instantly spots and tickets jaywalkers, and where at least one factory barely needs people. This is the society that China's government and leading tech companies are racing to make a reality, with little time to question which advancements are net positives for the rest of us.

Part One - Inside China's Future Factory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLmaI... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLmaIbb13GM)

Part Two - China's High Stakes Robot Wars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhvZ... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrhvZhPaxQ4) https://www.bloomberg.com/hello-world (https://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fhello-world&redir_token=a7bu4vRxH50V6yKjarI74wpmskh8MTU2ODEyNzkxNkAxNTY4MDQxNTE2&v=ydPqKhgh9Mg&event=video_description)

[Delight]

If we don't think that people can be caught up in fearful toleration and even promotion of human rights abuse against neighbors, IMO we are hugely naive. IMO we can easily see the end result but can often miss the slow steps that would allow the cooperation necessary for a government to act against its citizens.

When a group of people are scapegoated (seen as the enemy, the subverting influence, the source of the social ills experienced), then IMO all bets are off as to how far persecution can expand.....

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Human rights activists are calling for the immediate closure of what they label as re-education camps in the Chinese province of Xinjiang. About a million Uighurs, Kazakhs, and Kyrgyz people are believed to be held there and tortured, including a Kazakh national arrested while on a visit to his Uighur mother in China. Since being released, he has been sharing his story.

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China's Uighur minority shackled by digital technology as thousands are detained for 'vocational training'
People are being imprisoned without trial and placed in secretive detention camps for alleged political crimes

Gerry Shih
Sunday 17 December 2017 (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/thousands-china-xinjiang-uighur-beijing-disappear-fears-authorities-thought-police-personal-safety-a8115421.html)Nobody knows what happened to the Uighur student after he returned to China from Egypt and was taken away by police.

Not his village neighbours in China's far west, who haven't seen him in months. Not his former classmates, who fear Chinese authorities beat him to death.

Not his mother, who lives in a two-story house at the far end of a country road, alone behind walls bleached by the desert sun. She opened the door one afternoon for an unexpected visit by AP reporters, who showed her a picture of a handsome young man posing in a park, one arm in the wind.

"Yes, that's him," she said as tears began streaming down her face. "This is the first time I've heard anything of him in seven months. What happened?"

"Is he dead or alive?"

The student's friends think he joined the thousands — possibly tens of thousands — of people, rights groups and academics estimate, who have been spirited without trial into secretive detention camps for alleged political crimes that range from having extremist thoughts to merely travelling or studying abroad. The mass disappearances, beginning the past year, are part of a sweeping effort by Chinese authorities to use detentions and data-driven surveillance to impose a digital police state in the region of Xinjiang and over its Uighurs, a 10-million strong, Turkic-speaking Muslim minority that China says has been influenced by Islamic extremism.

Along with the detention camps, unprecedented levels of police blanket Xinjiang's streets. Cutting-edge digital surveillance systems track where Uighurs go, what they read, who they talk to and what they say. And under an opaque system that treats practically all Uighurs as potential terror suspects, Uighurs who contact family abroad risk questioning or detention.

The campaign has been led by Chen Quanguo, a Chinese Communist Party official, who was promoted in 2016 to head Xinjiang after subduing another restive region — Tibet. Chen vowed to hunt down Uighur separatists blamed for attacks that have left hundreds dead, saying authorities would "bury terrorists in the ocean of the people's war and make them tremble."

Through rare interviews with Uighurs who recently left China, a review of government procurement contracts and unreported documents, and a trip through southern Xinjiang, the AP pieced together a picture of Chen's war that's ostensibly rooting out terror — but instead instilling fear.

Most of the more than a dozen Uighurs interviewed for this story spoke on condition of anonymity for fear that Chinese authorities would punish them or their family members. The AP is withholding the student's name and other personal information to protect people who fear government retribution.

Chen and the Xinjiang regional government did not respond to repeated requests for comment. But China's government describes its Xinjiang security policy as a ‘strike hard’ campaign that's necessary following a series of attacks in 2013 and 2014, including a mass knifing in a train station that killed 33. A Hotan city propaganda official, Bao Changhui, told the AP: "If we don't do this, it will be like several years ago — hundreds will die."

China also says the crackdown is only half the picture. It points to decades of heavy economic investment and cultural assimilation programmes and measures like preferential college admissions for Uighurs.

Officials say the security is needed now more than ever because Uighur militants have been fighting alongside Islamic extremists in Syria. But Uighur activists and international human rights groups argue that repressive measures are playing into the hands of the likes of al-Qaida, which has put out Uighur-language recruiting videos condemning Chinese oppression.

"So much hate and desire for revenge are building up," said Rukiye Turdush, a Uighur activist in Canada. "How does terrorism spread? When people have nowhere to run."

The government has referred to its detention program as ‘vocational training,’ but its main purpose appears to be indoctrination. A memo published online by the Xinjiang human resources office described cities, including Korla, beginning ‘free, completely closed-off, militarised’ training sessions in March that last anywhere from 3 months to 2 years.

Uighurs study Mandarin, law, ethnic unity, de-radicalisation, patriotism and abide by the ‘five togethers’ — live, do drills, study, eat and sleep together.

In a rare state media report about the centres, a provincial newspaper quoted a farmer who said after weeks of studying inside he could spot the telltale signs of religious extremism by how a person dressed or behaved and also profess the Communist Party's good deeds. An instructor touted their "gentle, attentive" teaching methods and likened the centres to a boarding school dorm.

But in Korla, the institutions appeared more daunting, at least from the outside. The city had three or four well-known centres with several thousand students combined, said a 48-year-old local resident from the Han ethnic majority. One centre the AP visited was, in fact, labelled a jail. Another was downtown on a street sealed off by rifle-toting police. A third centre, the local Han resident said, was situated on a nearby military base.

While forced indoctrination has been reported throughout Xinjiang, its reach has been felt far beyond China's borders.

In April, calls began trickling into a Uighur teacher's academy in Egypt, vague but insistent. Uighur parents from a few towns were pleading with their sons and daughters to return to China, but they wouldn't say why.

"The parents kept calling, crying on the phone," the teacher said.

Chinese authorities had extended the scope of the program to Uighur students abroad. And Egypt, once a sanctuary for Uighurs to study Islam, began deporting scores of Uighurs to China.

Sitting in a restaurant outside Istanbul where many students had fled, four recounted days of panic as they hid from Egyptian and Chinese authorities. One jumped out a window running from police. Another slept in a car for a week. Many hid with Egyptian friends.

"We were mice, and the police were cats," said a student from Urumqi, Xinjiang's regional capital.

All who returned were intensely grilled about what they did in Egypt and viewed as potential terror suspects, the students said. Many were believed held in the new indoctrination camps, while some were sentenced to longer prison sentences.

The young man from Korla rarely went out in the two years he spent studying Islam in Egypt. He played some soccer — a beloved sport among Uighurs — but wasn't particularly athletic or popular.

Instead, he kept to himself in an apartment that he kept fastidiously clean, steeped in his studies at the revered Al Azhar University, the 1,000-year-old seat of learning in Sunni Islam. He freely discussed Quranic verses with his Uighur friends but mostly avoided politics, one friend said. He spoke of one day pursuing a PhD in comparative religion.

"He had big dreams," said the friend who is now hiding in Turkey to avoid being sent to China. "He wanted to be a religious scholar, which he knew was impossible in China, but he also wanted to stay close to his mother in Korla."

He was fluent in Arabic and but also in Chinese. When they huddled around a smartphone to watch a Taiwanese tear-jerker about a boy separated from his mother, he would be the one weeping first.

When homesickness got to him, he would tell his friends about how his mother doted on him, and about Korla and the big house he grew up in. And when he gets married, God willing, he would say, he'd start a family in that house, too.

"If my wife doesn't agree, then we don't marry," he declared.

He returned to China when he was called back in 2016 and taken away in February, according to three students and a teacher from Cairo. They say they heard from reliable sources in China — but cannot prove — that he died in detention.

Southern Xinjiang, the vast desert basin from where many of the students came, is one of the most heavily policed places on earth.

Deep in the desert's southern rim, the oasis town of Hotan is a microcosm of how Chen, the Xinjiang party boss, has combined fearsome optics with invisible policing.

He has ordered police depots with flashing lights and foot patrols be built every 500 meters (yards) – a total of 1,130, according to the Hotan government. The AP saw cavalcades of more than 40 armoured vehicles including full personnel carriers rumble down city boulevards. Police checkpoints on every other block stop cars to check identification and smartphones for religious content.

Shopkeepers in the thronging bazaar don mandatory armoured vests and helmets to sell hand-pulled noodles, tailored suits and baby clothes.

Xinjiang's published budget data from January to August shows public security spending this year is on track to increase 50 per cent from 2016 to roughly 45 billion yuan ($6.8 billion) after rising 40 per cent a year ago. It's quadrupled since 2009, a watershed year when a Uighur riot broke out in Xinjiang, leaving nearly 200 members of China's Han ethnic majority dead, and security began to ratchet up.

Adrian Zenz, a researcher at the European School of Culture and Theology who tracks Chinese public security staffing levels based on its recruiting ads, says Xinjiang is now hiring 40 times more police per capita than populous Guangdong Province.

"Xinjiang has very likely exceeded the level of police density seen in East Germany just before its collapse," Zenz said. "What we've seen in the last 12 to 14 months is unprecedented."

But much of the policing goes unseen.

To enter the Hotan bazaar, shoppers first pass through metal detectors and then place their national identification cards on a reader while having their face scanned.

The facial scanner is made by China Electronics Technology Group (CETC), a state-owned defence contractor that has spearheaded China's fast-growing field of predictive policing with Xinjiang as its test bed. The AP found 27 CETC bids for Xinjiang government contracts, including one soliciting a facial recognition system for facilities and centres in Hotan Prefecture.

Hours after visiting the Hotan bazaar, AP reporters were stopped outside a hotel by a police officer who said the public security bureau had been remotely tracking the reporters' movements.

"There are tens of thousands of cameras here," said the officer, who gave his name as Tushan. "The moment you took your first step in this city, we knew."

The government's tracking efforts have extended to vehicles, genes, and even voices. In February, authorities in Xinjiang's Bayingol prefecture, which includes Korla, required every car to install GPS trackers for real-time monitoring. And since late last year, Xinjiang authorities have required health checks to collect the population's DNA samples. In May, a regional police official told the AP that Xinjiang had purchased $8.7 million in DNA scanners — enough to analyse several million samples a year.

In one year, Kashgar Prefecture, which has a population of 4 million, has carried out mandatory checks for practically its entire population, said Yang Yanfeng, deputy director of Kashgar's propaganda department. She characterised the check-ups as a public health success story, not a security measure.

"We take comprehensive blood tests for the good of the people, not just record somebody's height and weight," Yang said. "We find out health issues in citizens even they didn't know about."

A biometric data collection program appears to have been formalised last year under "Document No. 44," a regional public security directive to "comprehensively collect three-dimensional portraits, voiceprints, DNA and fingerprints." The document's full text remains secret, but the AP found at least three contracts referring to the 2016 directive in recent purchase orders for equipment such as microphones and voice analysers.

Meiya Pico, a security and surveillance company, has won 11 bids in the last six months alone from local Xinjiang jurisdictions. It won a joint bid with a DNA analysis company for 4 million yuan ($600,000) in Kargilik and has sold software that automatically scans smartphones for "terror-related pictures and videos" to Yarkent.

Meiya and CETC declined comment.

To monitor Xinjiang's population, China has also turned to a familiar low-tech tactic: recruiting the masses.

When a Uighur businessman from Kashgar completed a six-month journey to flee China and landed in the United States with his family in January, he was initially ecstatic. He tried calling home, something he hadn't done in months to spare his family unwanted police questioning.

His mother told him his four brothers and his father were in prison because he fled China. She was spared only because she was frail.

Since 2016, local authorities had assigned ten families including theirs to spy on one another in a new system of collective monitoring, and those families had also been punished because he escaped. Members from each were sent to re-education centres for three months, he told the AP.

"It's worse than prison," he said. "At least in prison you know what's happening to you. But there you never know when you get accused. It could be anytime."

A document obtained by U.S.-based activists and reviewed by the AP show Uighur residents in the Hebei Road West neighbourhood in Urumqi, the regional capital, being graded on a 100-point scale. Those of Uighur ethnicity are automatically docked 10 points. Being aged between 15 and 55, praying daily, or having a religious education, all result in 10 point deductions.

In the final columns, each Uighur resident's score is tabulated and checked ‘trusted,’ ‘ordinary,’ or ‘not trusted.’ Activists say they anecdotally hear about Uighurs with low scores being sent to indoctrination.

At the neighbourhood police office, a woman who gave her surname as Tao confirmed that every community committee in Urumqi, not just Hebei Road West, needed to conduct similar assessments. She said there were no statistics on how many residents had been deemed ‘not trusted,’ nor were there official procedures to deal with them.

"What is happening is every single Uighur is being considered a suspect of not just terrorism but also political disloyalty," said Maya Wang, a researcher at Human Rights Watch who is studying how Chinese police are using technology to track political dissidents as well as Uighurs.

This month, Xinjiang announced it would require every government employee in the region to move into a Uighur home for a week to teach families about ideology and avoiding extremism.

What pains most, Uighurs abroad say, is the self-imposed barrier of silence that separates them from loved ones, making efforts to say happy birthday or find out whether a relative is detained risky.

When Salih Hudayar, an American Uighur graduate student, last called his 70-something grandfather this summer, he spoke in cryptic but reassuring tones.

"Our phones will not work anymore," his grandfather said. "So, don't try calling and don't worry about us. We'll be fine as long as you're all fine."

He later heard from a cousin in Kyrgyzstan that his grandfather had been sent to re-education.

A Uighur student who moved to Washington following the crackdown this summer said that after his move, his wife, a government worker still in Urumqi, messaged to say the police would show up at her home in 20 minutes. She had to say goodbye: after that she would delete him permanently from her contacts list.

A month later he received calls on WhatsApp from a man who introduced himself as Ekber, a Uighur official from the international cooperation office of the Xinjiang regional public security bureau, who wanted him to work for them in the U.S. — and warned him against saying no.

"If you're not working for us then you're working for someone else. That's not a road you want to take," he snapped.

A week after that, he couldn't help himself placing one last call home. His daughter picked up.

"Mom is sick but she doesn't want me to speak to you. Goodbye," she said.

For the past year, Chen's war has meant mass detentions, splintered families, lives consumed by uncertainty. It has meant that a mother sometimes can't get an answer a simple question about her son: is he dead or alive?

A short drive from Korla, beyond peach plantations that stretch for miles, the al-Azhar student's mother still lives in the big house that he loved. When the AP arrived unannounced, she said she had not received any court notices or reasons about why her son and his father were suddenly taken months earlier. She declined an interview.

"I want to talk, I want to know," she said through a translator. "But I'm too afraid."

AP reporters were later detained by police, interrogated for 11 hours, and accused of "illegal reporting" in the area without seeking prior permission from the Korla government.

"The subjects you're writing about do not promote positive energy," a local propaganda official explained.

Five villagers said they knew authorities had taken away the young student; one said he was definitely alive, the others weren't sure.

When asked, local police denied he existed at all.

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Video showing hundreds of shackled, blindfolded prisoners in China is 'genuine'
Human rights groups say China is holding one million people, mostly ethnic Uighurs, at detention camps - a charge Beijing denies.
By Deborah Haynes, foreign affairs editor

Saturday 21 September 2019 07:28, UK

Online footage purporting to show hundreds of blindfolded and shackled prisoners in a mostly Muslim region of China is believed to be authentic, a European security source has told Sky News.

The detainees are thought to be from China's minority Uighur Muslims, the source said on Friday.

Human rights organisations accuse China of holding one million people, mostly ethnic Uighurs, at sprawling detention camps in Xinjiang province - a charge Beijing strongly denies.

The footage, posted anonymously on Tuesday on Twitter and YouTube, shows lines of men, heads shaved, hands bound behind their back, sitting in lines on the floor or being moved by guards at a station in the city of Korla in Xinjiang, northwest China.

The European security source said: "We've examined the footage and believe it to be genuine.

"It shows up to 600 prisoners being moved; they're shackled together, have shaved heads, are blindfolded and have their hands locked behind their backs. This is typical of the way the Chinese move this type of prisoner."

The images were thought to have been taken earlier this year, the source added.
(https://news.sky.com/story/chinas-detention-of-uighurs-video-of-blindfolded-and-shackled-prisoners-authentic-11815401)

[Hervé]

...


See twitter video at: https://twitter.com/i/status/1175465334939078659

[ExomatrixTV]

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/images/icons/icon4.png Chinese Citizens must pass Mass Facial-Recognition Test to use the internet for A.I. 'Social Credit System': December 1st 2019 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?108838-Chinese-Citizens-must-pass-Mass-Facial-Recognition-Test-to-use-the-internet-for...)

[Siphonemis]

Gaining more acceptance in a city near you under the guise of “multiculturalism” and “diversity”.

Philadelphia Raises Communist China’s Flag at City Hall to Celebrate Diversity

By Pluralist (https://pluralist.com/china-flag-philadelphia/49999) | October 8, 2019

Philadelphia raised the flag of China at city hall last week to honor the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People’s Republic of China.

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Mayor Jim Kenney announced last Tuesday the observation of “The People’s Republic of China Flag-raising Day,” according to Xinhua, China’s official state-run press agency.

The City of Philadelphia released photos of the event, showing a small crowd of attendees watching as the flag of China is raised.

The Epoch Times reported that local community groups had strongly opposed the raising of the Chinese flag, viewing it as an endorsement of the communist nation’s oppressive regime.

“Raising this flag, a symbol of the birth of the Chinese Communist Party on October 1, 1949 is only celebrating tyranny, repression, and death,” said one local resident in an email to Kenney, who like a large majority of the Philadelphia City Council is a Democrat.

The mayor’s office told The Epoch Times in an emailed statement that “the flag raisings are not a sign of support for any specific government, political party, or movement.”

“Rather, they are an opportunity … for people with shared heritage to celebrate their backgrounds and experiences,” the office said.

In an opinion article published in The Philadelphia Inquirer, columnist Christine M. Flowers criticized the city’s justification for raising China’s flag “as part of a program devoted to multiculturalism and diversity.”

“Raising the flag of a brutal totalitarian regime does not honor the immigrants whose parents and grandparents were brutalized by the government it represents,” Flowers wrote. “Raising that flag does not honor the humanity of those Chinese refugees, prisoners of conscience, and victims of persecution who I have met in my capacity as an asylum advocate. Raising that flag is an abomination.”

Flowers said she’d written the mayor’s office to protest the event.

The office responded with the same statement provided to The Epoch Times. And Flowers didn’t buy it.

“Sorry, but it’s hard to understand how raising the Communist flag of China is not meant to support the Communist regime of China,” she wrote.

“Why not just announce a parade down the Parkway to commemorate the birth of Stalin in December? Or maybe raise the swastika at City Hall to commemorate Jan. 30, 1933, the day Hitler was made Chancellor of Germany?”

[Bill Ryan]

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This is very very interesting, and well worth the hour for those who genuinely want to understand all this better.

The panel are self-admittedly a panel of debunkers of some of the 'hysteria and hype' (this is my paraphrase of what I think they think).

But before we all delete the video in disgust, they all know a LOT about China, and certainly far, far more than I do or probably most people reading this post now. So maybe they deserve a hearing. They speak having gathered a lot of information.

I emerged


More knowledgeable.
More confused. :)

Their summary (in my own words) is that


It's a projection of western fears on to a foreign scapegoat/target
The social credit system isn't regarded as very important by most Chinese, and many don't even know a lot about it
The way the system works is that it results from punishment (legal transgression), and doesn't really cause punishment
The Chinese context in which this needs to be understood is that most Chinese trust their government with data, but don't trust corporations with data.

These aren't just their own casual opinions — they've been to China to do the research.

My provisional position:
This is still the [maybe very] thin end of a potentially huge wedge: like 1984 lite.
Again: anyone seriously interested in this issue might learn some things from hearing the discussion.

[BMJ]

George Orwell's 1984 comes to mind as China's Social Credit System is now being extended to companies operating in China. It ensures company monitor their own activity for compliance and also monitor their suppliers. Beyond this it can be used as leverage against foreign governments for example in censoring bad press on Chinese activity.

China Uses ‘Social Credit System’ to Control Domestic, Foreign Companies
A Bloomberg News report on Sunday described how Communist China uses its “social credit system” to control not just citizens but corporations – and not just domestic companies, but foreign companies seeking to do business in China as well.

Nervous foreign businessmen are forking over thousands of dollars an hour for training in how to avoid being flagged as miscreants by the most pervasive surveillance system in history.

The social credit system is a vast database that monitors Chinese citizens for “good behavior” and aggressively punishes those who fall short. Anything from poor spending habits to ideological impurity can produce a low social credit score, with consequences that might include the unfortunate citizen suddenly discovering he is no longer allowed to board airplanes or trains.

The social credit system has a business component as well, monitoring corporate behavior in much the same way it keeps tabs on individual citizens. Companies with poor social credit scores can face heavier regulatory scrutiny, higher taxes, reduced access to business loans, or an outright ban on doing business in China.

Bloomberg News provided the example of China Railway Construction Corporation, a company that covered up some fatalities on a railroad project in Mongolia, got caught, and was banned from doing business for a year as well as being “subject to more inspections, limits on bidding for public projects and restrictions on issuing bonds and shares.” And those were only the immediate consequences – there is no telling how long the demerits fed into the social credit system will haunt the company and its managers across every province of China.

“The system will be widely used in China to oversee domestic and foreign companies, and firms have to assign resources to keep a real eye on making sure their records are clean,” noted Andrew Polk of the Trivium China consulting firm.

Trivium is currently charging corporate clients $2,500 an hour to consult on the social credit system and $50,000 for a complete audit. Bloomberg News suggested other U.S. and European firms are offering similar services.

Other expert observers pointed out that the rules governing the social credit system are notoriously vague and clearly subject to political tweaking from Beijing, making it quite easy for the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to punish or blackball foreign corporations unless the foreigners bend over backwards to maintain good relations with CCP officials.

The Chinese government is not shy about warning that American companies could be blacklisted as part of the trade war, or in retaliation for U.S. criticism of Chinese policies such as the internment of Uyghur Muslims in concentration camps. Publishing the CCP’s thus-far secretive blacklist, as Chinese state media has threatened to do, could cause big problems for American firms in other countries, and would almost certainly produce immediate black marks in the social credit system for every listed entity.

A report published in November by Dezan Shira & Associates warned that one of the “most potentially problematic” aspects of the social credit system is that it makes companies responsible for their business partners and suppliers. If one company is blacklisted, bad marks can swiftly propagate to other corporations it has business relations with. Conversely, the preferences given to “red-listed” companies with high social credit scores provide a tremendous competitive advantage.

Although the social credit system is still being rolled out, Dezan Shira & Associates observed that “at least 33 million businesses have already been assigned a score and many have been put on various punitive blacklists,” in addition to local and regional programs that have been in place for years.

The report concluded by advising companies doing business in China to “undertake a supply chain audit and conduct due diligence on business partners given the inclusion of partners in social credit assessments.”

“Businesses should also not forget to assess their IT and data security strength since they will need to transmit data to the government more frequently and in greater numbers,” the authors added.

Link: https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2019/12/09/china-uses-social-credit-system-control-domestic-foreign-companies/

[Franny]

What's YOUR Social Credit Score?


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[Bill Ryan]

What's YOUR Social Credit Score?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP321Miy7zQ

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This is a very worrying, must-see video. It may be one of the very best yet made on this disturbing topic.

But it's not just about China. From 24:45, it reports on how personal surveillance and credit-scoring is already being adopted in the rest of the world, in varying forms that affect us all in one way or another.

[East Sun]

This is a premonition of HELL. I would not want to live in that world...

[Airelle77]

I termed this kind of neo social fascism 'Digital Zersetzung'

[onawah]

Will Google’s Social Credit System Determine Your Future?
by Dr. Mercola
2/12/20
https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/02/12/google-social-credit-system.aspx?cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1ReadMore&cid=20200212Z1&et_cid=DM455650&et_rid=809159675

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP321Miy7zQ (This video is embedded in post #37 above, in this thread, and highly recommended by Bill.)

"STORY AT-A-GLANCE
> China started rolling out a social credit system in 2018, which awards and subtracts points for certain types of behavior

> Google is the largest monopoly the world has ever seen, and its data-siphoning tentacles reach deep into our everyday lives, collecting data on every move you make and conversation you have, whether online or in the real world.

> By the end of 2021, approximately 1 billion cameras will be watching public movements across the globe. Cities are also inviting residents and businesses to plug their private surveillance cameras into their police network, which expands the surveillance system even further.

> To make sense of all this footage, video analytic software and artificial intelligence are used. Video analytic capabilities include fight and fall detection, loitering and motion recognition, dog walking, jaywalking, toll fare evasion and lie detection

> There are now proposals suggesting all of this data, in combination with AI-enabled analytics systems, could be used for “predictive policing” as illustrated in the 2002 movie “Minority Report,” where suspected perpetrators are arrested before actually committing the crime

Expert Review by: Maryam Henein (https://www.mercola.com/reviewers.htm#henein)

You may have heard about China's social credit system — a dystopian monitoring scheme focused on the moral dimension of human life and behavior — which was conceived in 2014 and rolled out in in earnest in 2018. As reported (https://www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4?r=US&IR=T) by Business Insider in October that year:1


"Like private credit scores, a person's social score can move up and down depending on their behavior. The exact methodology is a secret — but examples of infractions include bad driving, smoking in non-smoking zones, buying too many video games and posting fake news online.

China has already started punishing people by restricting their travel. Nine million people with low scores have been blocked from buying tickets for domestic flights …

They can also clamp down on luxury options — three million people are barred from getting business-class train tickets. The eventual system will punish bad passengers specifically. Potential misdeeds include trying to ride with no ticket, loitering in front of boarding gates, or smoking in no-smoking areas."

Aside from impeding your ability to travel, an individual's punishment for "bad behavior" per the social credit system can also result in slower internet speed, being banned from attending certain schools or getting a higher education, being barred from certain types of employment, confiscation of pets and, of course, public shaming.2

Google Makes Orwellian Surveillance Easy
In the bitchute video above, Truthstream Media details how this kind of public "trustworthiness" scoring can alter the way people behave — indeed their view of reality itself, and the vast data mining required for the system to work. As noted in the video:



"Social credit scores award or remove points based on behavior. It's Big Data meets Big Brother. This will be a world with no more personal experiences, only transactions for the social credit system.

This [the system] knows every person, every bike, every car, every bus. That's because it essentially turns every public interaction into a transaction where points can be earned or lost."

Google, of course, is a perfect fit for this kind of Orwellian surveillance scheme. It is, by far, the largest monopoly the world has ever seen, and its data-siphoning tentacles reach deep into our everyday lives, collecting data on every move you make and conversation you have, whether online or in the real world.

Google actually tracks your movements online, even when you don't think you are using their products. Most websites you visit use the 'free' Google Analytics program to track everything you do on a website. Google purchased Urchin Software back in 2005, and by giving it away were able to integrate this important surveillance tool into most of the internet.

Google Analytics integrates with Google's ad network monopoly, as well as the largest email service Gmail. These systems are not free, they are a tightly integrated package of surveillance tools - selling your data, selling ads served to you, and manipulating content to direct your behavior.

These tools collect data along with other Google products like the Android 'smart' phones, the Nest home security system, and even Google's Home Assistant. You can expect these surveillance products to become free over time as the absolute goal is to exploit every bit of data they can collect from you.

A 2015 Wired article (https://www.wired.com/2015/06/google-reveals-secret-gear-connects-online-empire/)3 revealed some of the details of how Google's online empire is built, noting "One of the company's cluster switches provides about 40 terabits per second of bandwidth — the equivalent of 40 million home internet connections," and "Google now sends more information between its data centers than it trades with the internet as a whole."

As highlighted in a January 27, 2020, article (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/27/surveillance-cctv-smart-camera-networks/)4 by The Intercept, smart camera networks equipped with facial recognition and video analytic software will advance global surveillance even further, and should be banned to prevent an inevitable slide into invisible yet all-encompassing authoritarianism.

"The rise of all-seeing smart camera networks is an alarming development that threatens civil rights and liberties throughout the world.

Law enforcement agencies have a long history of using surveillance against marginalized communities, and studies show surveillance chills freedom of expression — ill effects that could spread as camera networks grow larger and more sophisticated," The Intercept notes (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/27/surveillance-cctv-smart-camera-networks/).5 Silicon Valley Is Building America's Social Credit System
According to Fast Company (https://www.fastcompany.com/90394048/uh-oh-silicon-valley-is-building-a-chinese-style-social-credit-system),6 China's social credit system is not entirely unique. "A parallel system is developing in the United States, in part as the result of Silicon Valley and technology-industry user policies, and in part by surveillance of social media activity by private companies," Fast Company (https://www.fastcompany.com/90394048/uh-oh-silicon-valley-is-building-a-chinese-style-social-credit-system) writes.7

For example, life insurance companies can now use content shared in social media posts to determine your premium. "That Instagram pic showing you teasing a grizzly bear at Yellowstone with a martini in one hand, a bucket of cheese fries in the other, and a cigarette in your mouth, could cost you," Fast Company (https://www.fastcompany.com/90394048/uh-oh-silicon-valley-is-building-a-chinese-style-social-credit-system) notes.8

PatronScan is another example. These devices are used by restaurants to identify fake IDs and undesirable customers — people previously removed from an establishment for causing a fight, committing sexual assault, stealing or doing drugs.

The list is shared among PatronScan customers, so getting banned in one bar or restaurant effectively bans you from all bars and restaurants in the U.S., Canada and U.K. for up to one year. For additional examples, see the original Fast Company article (https://www.fastcompany.com/90394048/uh-oh-silicon-valley-is-building-a-chinese-style-social-credit-system).9

The Expansion of Public Video Surveillance
Many TV's now have a camera and can be used to record your emotions while watching presidential debates or the evening news. The Intercept (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/27/surveillance-cctv-smart-camera-networks/) article10 cited earlier goes on to detail the rise and expansion of video surveillance, starting with Axis Communications' internet-enabled surveillance camera, launched in the late '90s, to more modern video management systems that organize all this visual data into databases.

By the end of 2021, the marketing firm IHS Markit predicts 1 billion cameras will be watching public movements across the globe. As if that's not enough, cities are also inviting residents and businesses to plug their private surveillance cameras into their police network, which expands the system even further.

According to The Intercept, Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans, New York City and Atlanta have all deployed these types of "plug-in surveillance networks," and many others are considering it as well. To actually make sense of all this footage, video analytic software and artificial intelligence (AI) are used.

Video analytic capabilities include "fight detection, motion recognition, fall detection, loitering, dog walking, jaywalking, toll fare evasion and even lie detection," The Intercept (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/27/surveillance-cctv-smart-camera-networks/) reports.11

Object recognition and "anomalous or unusual behavior detection" are also used to flag particular incidents that are then reviewed by human eyes. The Intercept recounts how this information can be used by law enforcement to identify potential crime situations:

"In Connecticut, police have used video analytics to identify or monitor known or suspected drug dealers.

Sergeant Johnmichael O'Hare, former Director of the Hartford Real-Time Crime Center, recently demonstrated how BriefCam helped Hartford police reveal 'where people go the most' in the space of 24 hours by viewing footage condensed and summarized in just nine minutes.

Using a feature called 'pathways,' he discovered hundreds of people visiting just two houses on the street and secured a search warrant to verify that they were drug houses."

Is a 'Pre-Crime' Department Next?
Companies are also working on searchable databases that can access and make sense of visual data from a range of different platforms, which will "supercharge the ability to search and surveil public spaces," The Intercept (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/27/surveillance-cctv-smart-camera-networks/) says.12

What's more, there are now proposals suggesting all of this data, in combination with AI-enabled analytics systems, could be used for "predictive policing" as illustrated in the 2002 movie "Minority Report," where suspected perpetrators are arrested before actually committing the crime.

Sound too crazy to be true? The Intercept cites a 2018 document (https://www.accenture.com/_acnmedia/pdf-94/accenture-value-data-seeing-what-matters.pdf) 13 by the data storage firm Western Digital and the consulting company Accenture, "Value of Data: Seeing What Matters — A New Paradigm for Public Safety Powered by Responsible AI," which predicts smart surveillance networks may be deployed "across three tiers of maturity."

The first tier is where we're at now, where law enforcement use CCTV networks to investigate crimes after they've already occurred.

At the second tier level, predicted to be in place by 2025, municipalities will be transformed into fully connected "smart cities," where the cameras of businesses and public institutions are all plugged into a government-run AI-enabled analytics system. The third tier, predicted by 2035, will have predictive capabilities. As reported by The Intercept (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/27/surveillance-cctv-smart-camera-networks/):14


"A 'public safety ecosystem' will centralize data 'pulled from disparate databases such as social media, driver's licenses, police databases, and dark data.' An AI-enabled analytics unit will let police assess 'anomalies in real time and interrupt a crime before it is committed.' That is to say, to catch pre-crime."

Google's Ad Network Monopoly
Google's monopoly goes well beyond web search. It also has a potentially dangerous monopoly on online advertising. In 2007, Google bought DoubleClick, which already dominated the digital advertising market. As reported by InfoWorld (https://www.infoworld.com/article/2644329/google-doubleclick--dangerous-monopoly-.html):15



"Here's the danger: Google already knows a tremendous amount about the traffic it sends to individual Web sites — where it comes from, what people are looking for, even some basic demographics.

With DoubleClick in the fold, they will also know what ads are being served on any given page. That gives Google unprecedented insight into publishers' business. And remember, those publishers may be partners, but they are also competitors, often trying to woo the same advertisers as Google.

Web sites live and die based upon ad revenue and on charging advertisers a certain rate based upon the number of pages served and the quality of their readership/user base. I could imagine a not-entirely-paranoid fantasy in which Google can run the numbers, turn around, and offer better rates to advertisers for a similar audience."

To learn more of Google's surveillance of you and those you love, please view my comprehensive interview with Robert Epstein below. Epstein, former editor-in-chief at Psychology Today, is now a senior research psychologist for the American Institute of Behavioral Research and Technology, where for the last decade he has helped expose Google's manipulative and deceptive practices. (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/01/26/google-and-your-privacy.aspx)

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https://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/ExpertInterviewTranscripts/Interview-RobertEpstein-Google.pdf

Google Goes After Your Health Data
More recently, it's also become apparent Google is going after everyone's health data. Fitbit, which was recently purchased by Google, will provide them with all your physiological information and activity levels, in addition to everything else that Google already has on you.

As discussed in "How Google Is Stealing Your Personal Health Data (https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2019/11/27/google-and-data-mining.aspx)," Google, Amazon and Microsoft also collect data entered into health and diagnostic sites, which is then shared with hundreds of third parties — and this data is not anonymized, meaning it's tied specifically to you, without your knowledge or consent.

In other words, DoubleClick, Google's ad service, will know which prescriptions you've searched for on Drugs.com, for example, thus providing you with personalized drug ads. "There is a whole system that will seek to take advantage of you because you're in a compromised state," Tim Libert, a computer scientist at Carnegie Mellon University told Financial Times (https://www.ft.com/content/0fbf4d8e-022b-11ea-be59-e49b2a136b8d).16

Google and various tech startups have even been investigating the possibility of assessing mental health problems using a combination of electronic medical records and tracking your internet and social media use.

Undisclosed data mining is also occurring in hospitals. A whistleblower recently revealed Google amassed health data from millions of Americans in 21 states through its Project Nightingale, and patients have not been informed of this data mining.17,18 As reported by The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/12/google-medical-data-project-nightingale-secret-transfer-us-health-information):19



"The secret scheme … involves the transfer to Google of healthcare data held by Ascension, the second-largest healthcare provider in the U.S. The data is being transferred with full personal details including name and medical history and can be accessed by Google staff. Unlike other similar efforts it has not been made anonymous though a process of removing personal information known as de-identification …"

According to Google and Ascension, the data being shared will be used to build a search tool with machine-learning algorithms that will spit out diagnostic recommendations and suggestions for medications that health professionals can then use to guide them in their treatment.

Google claims only a limited number of individuals will have access to the data, but just how trustworthy is Google these days? Since the data includes full personal details, sooner or later, they're likely to find a way to use it.

Google and Mastercard Track Your Purchasing Habits
Your credit card data, which at first glance would appear completely separate from Google, is also being used by the internet giant to customize ads. As reported by Bloomberg (http://archive.is/bPiQE)20 August 31, 2018, four unnamed insiders, three of whom claim to have been directly involved in the negotiations, claim Google and Mastercard brokered a business alliance that gives Google access to Mastercard users' retail spending.

The two companies never made the agreement public, though. Christine Bannan, counsel with the advocacy group Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) told Bloomberg (http://archive.is/bPiQE):21



"People don't expect what they buy physically in a store to be linked to what they are buying online. There's just far too much burden that companies place on consumers and not enough responsibility being taken by companies to inform users what they're doing and what rights they have."

According to Google, Mastercard users can opt out of ad tracking using Google's online Web & App Activity console (http://archive.is/bPiQE).22 The question is, how would users know to do that when they were never told such tracking was occurring in the first place?

Google's Store Sales Measurement service also suggests it's not just Mastercard users that are being tracked. As noted by Bloomberg, when Google announced the new sales measurement service in 2017, it claimed it had access to about 70% of U.S. credit and debit card sales.

Goodbye Google
To have any chance of protecting your privacy, you simply must avoid Google products, as they account for the greatest personal data leaks in your life. To that end, Mercola.com is now Google-free. We do not use Google Analytics, Google ads or Google search for internal searches. To boycott Google, be sure to ditch or replace:

•Gmail, as every email you write is permanently stored. It becomes part of your profile and is used to build digital models of you, which allows them to make predictions about your line of thinking and every want and desire.

Many other older email systems such as AOL and Yahoo are also being used as surveillance platforms in the same way as Gmail. ProtonMail.com, which uses end-to-end encryption, is a great alternative and the basic account is free.

•Google's Chrome browser, as everything you do on there is surveilled, including keystrokes and every webpage you've ever visited. Brave is a great alternative that takes privacy seriously.

Brave is also faster than Chrome, and suppresses ads. It's based on Chromium, the same software code that Chrome is based on, so you can easily transfer your extensions, favorites and bookmarks.

•Google search engine, or any extension of Google, such as Bing or Yahoo, both of which draw search results from Google. The same goes for the iPhone's personal assistant Siri, which draws all of its answers from Google.

Alternative search engines include SwissCows and Qwant. Avoid StartPage, as it was recently bought by an aggressive online marketing company, which, like Google, depends on surveillance.

•Android cellphones, which run on a Google-owned operating system, can track you even when you're not connected to the internet, whether you have geo tracking enabled or not. Blackberry is more secure than Android phones or the iPhone. Blackberry's upcoming model, the Key3, may be one of the most secure cellphones in the world.

•Google Home devices, as they record everything that occurs in your home or office, both speech and sounds such as brushing your teeth and boiling water, even when they appear to be inactive, and send that information back to Google. Android phones are also always listening and recording, as are Google's home thermostat Nest, and Amazon's Alexa.
See: https://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/forgetfacebook/identity-protection-tip-google.pdf

Additional Privacy Tips
In my recent interview (above) with Epstein, he also offered the following guidance for those seeking to protect their online privacy:

•Use a virtual private network (VPN) such as Nord, which is only about $3 per month and can be used on up to six devices. In my view, this is a must if you seek to preserve your privacy. Epstein explains:



"When you use your mobile phone, laptop or desktop in the usual way, your identity is very easy for Google and other companies to see. They can see it via your IP address, but more and more, there are much more sophisticated ways now that they know it's you. One is called browser fingerprinting.

This is something that is so disturbing. Basically, the kind of browser you have and the way you use your browser is like a fingerprint. You use your browser in a unique way, and just by the way you type, these companies now can instantly identify you.

Brave has some protection against a browser fingerprinting, but you really need to be using a VPN. What a VPN does is it routes whatever you're doing through some other computer somewhere else. It can be anywhere in the world, and there are hundreds of companies offering VPN services. The one I like the best right now is called Nord VPN.

You download the software, install it, just like you install any software. It's incredibly easy to use. You do not have to be a techie to use Nord, and it shows you a map of the world and you basically just click on a country.

The VPN basically makes it appear as though your computer is not your computer. It basically creates a kind of fake identity for you, and that's a good thing. Now, very often I will go through Nord's computers in the United States. Sometimes you have to do that, or you can't get certain things done. PayPal doesn't like you to be in a foreign country for example."

Nord, when used on your cellphone, will also mask your identity when using apps like Google Maps.

•Clear your cache and cookies — As Epstein explains in his article (https://medium.com/@re_53711/seven-simple-steps-toward-online-privacy-20dcbb9fa82):23



"Companies and hackers of all sorts are constantly installing invasive computer code on your computers and mobile devices, mainly to keep an eye on you but sometimes for more nefarious purposes.

On a mobile device, you can clear out most of this garbage by going to the settings menu of your browser, selecting the 'privacy and security' option and then clicking on the icon that clears your cache and cookies.

With most laptop and desktop browsers, holding down three keys simultaneously — CTRL, SHIFT and DEL — takes you directly to the relevant menu; I use this technique multiple times a day without even thinking about it. You can also configure the Brave and Firefox browsers to erase your cache and cookies automatically every time you close your browser."

•Don't use Fitbit, as it was recently purchased by Google and will provide them with all your physiological information and activity levels, in addition to everything else that Google already has on you.

- Sources and References
1, 2 (https://www.businessinsider.com/china-social-credit-system-punishments-and-rewards-explained-2018-4?r=US&IR=T) Business Insider October 29, 2018
3 (https://www.wired.com/2015/06/google-reveals-secret-gear-connects-online-empire/) Wired June 17, 2015
4, 5, 10, 11, 12, 14 (https://theintercept.com/2020/01/27/surveillance-cctv-smart-camera-networks/) The Intercept January 27, 2020
6, 7, 8, 9 (https://www.fastcompany.com/90394048/uh-oh-silicon-valley-is-building-a-chinese-style-social-credit-system) Fast Company August 26, 2019
13 (https://www.accenture.com/_acnmedia/pdf-94/accenture-value-data-seeing-what-matters.pdf) Western Digital, Accenture, Value of Data: Seeing What Matters — A New Paradigm for Public Safety Powered by Responsible AI (PDF)
15 (https://www.infoworld.com/article/2644329/google-doubleclick--dangerous-monopoly-.html) InfoWorld April 13, 2007
16 (https://www.ft.com/content/0fbf4d8e-022b-11ea-be59-e49b2a136b8d) Financial Times November 12, 2019
17 (https://www.ft.com/content/a2afd690-0703-11ea-a984-fbbacad9e7dd) Financial Times November 14, 2019
18 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/google-s-secret-project-nightingale-gathers-personal-health-data-on-millions-of-americans-11573496790) Wall Street Journal November 11, 2019
19 (https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/nov/12/google-medical-data-project-nightingale-secret-transfer-us-health-information) The Guardian November 12, 2019
20, 21, 22 (http://archive.is/bPiQE) Bloomberg Updated August 31, 2018 (Archived)
23 (https://medium.com/@re_53711/seven-simple-steps-toward-online-privacy-20dcbb9fa82) Medium March 17, 2017

[Richter]

What's YOUR Social Credit Score?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP321Miy7zQ

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This is a very worrying, must-see video. It may be one of the very best yet made on this disturbing topic.

But it's not just about China. From 24:45, it reports on how personal surveillance and credit-scoring is already being adopted in the rest of the world, in varying forms that affect us all in one way or another.

Indeed, if you weren't convinced yet that the future looks gloomy, you will be after watching the above video.

Here's another one:

Bilderberg and the Digital New World Order (44:00)
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[Airelle77]

This cheerleader thinks it's a fantastic idea.

http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/03/24/west-attacks-chinas-social-credit-system-to-deflect-from-its-fascist-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180325/

West attacks China’s Social Credit System to deflect from its fascist panopticon. China Rising Radio Sinoland 180325

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Western propaganda brilliantly and ceaselessly employs what is known as psychological reflection. This is a mental health term meaning that if you are guilty of being a pedophile or tax cheat, for example, you get on your soapbox about the evils of child molestation or fiscal crooks, respectively, while doing exactly that. Another great example is homophobia. Many homophobes, especially the most violent ones are repressed, closeted gays and lesbians, who internally loathe themselves.

Be it war, invasions, occupation, genocide, massacres, exterminations (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/03/17/wilfred-burchett-explains-why-like-all-good-fascists-every-day-is-my-lai-for-americans-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180319/), the use of chemical and biological weapons (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/03/12/noose-of-truth-is-tightening-around-milton-leitenberg-co-s-collective-neck-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180310/), institutionalized corruption, election fraud, pollution, CIA drug cartels, CIA organized crime (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/), ad nauseam, the West aggressively attacks all its enemies for being guilty of these and the rest of the world’s criminality, when in fact Eurangloland is the most brazen and bald faced Global Enemy #1 in every one of these categories, with the rest of humanity being its long-suffering victims.

Sadly, the West’s psychological reflection works so well that its endless tsunami of shameless lies and propaganda continues to win over the long term. Just look at how Eurangloland has completely perverted the opinions of the vast majority of the world’s people, at least those who do not live in communist-socialist countries, when it comes to Russia, the Russian people and its president, Vladimir Putin. Ditto Iran, Venezuela, North Korea (DPRK), Cuba, the Philippines and any other country (or its leader) that does not allow itself to be a craven whore for capitalist empire.

The effectiveness of western psychological reflection in the mainstream media is so thorough, that people I know who should see through this withering fog of propaganda are completely brainwashed. I call it being behind the Great Western Firewall. Yet, most Westerners I know who live overseas are just as clueless, due to their innate sense of racial superiority (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/11/10/all-the-chinese-people-want-is-respect-aretha-franklin-diplomacy-on-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171110/) and their unwillingness to look beyond CIA-MI6 CNN, New York Times, BBC, the Economist and all the other rubber stamp ventriloquist dummies that shill for their deep state masters. It is a demoralizing fact of life, something I passionately wrote about in Book #2 of The China Trilogy (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/05/19/the-china-trilogy/), China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/).

Eurangloland’s owners are throwing everything they have trying to destroy Russia, Iran, Venezuela and DPRK (let’s call them the Fearless Four) and too many others to name. You may notice that three of these four countries are some of the biggest hydrocarbon producers in the solar system, and that’s what the West’s elites really want to do, is bring down their respective governments and install puppet Boris Yeltsin’s, to commence with the rape of their citizens and plunder of their natural resources. It’s called capitalism, if you haven’t already figured it out or have yet to reluctantly accept the truth.

After 500 years of global tyranny and dictatorship, cracks in Western empire’s game plan are starting to show. The Fearless Four keep exposing Westerners for the racist buffoons and ideological zealots that they are. Almost nothing is working as planned near home base Europe (Russia and Iran) and America (Venezuela) Even North Korea’s very astute Kim Jong-Un is besting the West on the diplomatic front (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/08/28/why-dprk-will-n-e-v-e-r-stop-its-nuclear-arms-program-china-rising-radio-sinoland-170828/), having gotten Trump to agree to a joint summit (https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/03/trump-kim-jong-un/555323/).

How much worse can it get for Western empire? It must be time to bomb another country into the Middle Ages, or invade a small, helpless, poorly defended country full of dark skinned people. Like Iraq, how about Grenada II? That’ll keep the beer and popcorn flowing in front of Westerners’ 25%-interest-installment-plan-purchased widescreen TVs, for a week of Hunger Games bread and circuses.

Way out east, OMG, along comes Baba Beijing (China’s leadership) to really make a mess for Eurangloland (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/11/23/china-tech-is-unstoppable-from-noodle-shops-to-outer-space-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171123/). It too continues to run circles around racist, greedy and let’s face it, incredibly hubristic Westerners, at least the deep state and its stooges who occupy positions of power in its “democratically elected” puppet governments (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/10/25/how-can-western-capitalism-beat-this-thats-the-rub-it-cant-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171022/

and http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/12/10/china-loves-being-number-two-behind-the-us-officially-of-course-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171210/).

Thus, the mainstream media Wehrmacht undoubtedly has on the boards to try to bring down Baba Beijing, but it is being held up. Why? Three’s company and the Fearless Four are already a crowd. You can only spread your resources of destruction and chaos so far. As any good fascist will tell you, the Big Lie means staying laser focused and relentlessly on-message. Given with how it’s currently playing out and knowing the ultimate goal is taking control of these Others’ human and natural resources, the propaganda tsunami against the Fearless Four is already reaching the point of diminishing marginal returns. Adding a fifth behemoth target like China (which is just as savvy and patient as the Fearless Four) has probably been deemed too much by the West’s owners.

Therefore, Baba Beijing has gotten off pretty lightly up to now, compared to the fascist Big Lie against the Fearless Four. But in the interim, that still doesn’t mean China gets off Scot-free. The CIA-MI6 mainstream media juggernaut sees a chink in China’s armor (sorry, I couldn’t resist the awful, off-color pun), with its rapidly developing (Chinese) Social Credit System (CSCS – http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/11/chinas-public-social-credit-system-versus-the-wests-secret-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180111/).

Patrice Greanville, Editor-in-Chief of The Greanville Post (http://www.greanvillepost.com/) sent to Godfree Roberts and me a hatchet piece about CSCS (https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/china-banning-people-from-transit-for-bad-social-credit-scores/). It originally came from Reuters, a CIA-MI6 chop shop from way back (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-credit/china-to-bar-people-with-bad-social-credit-from-planes-trains-idUSKCN1GS10S). James Corbett has a rabid, irrational fear of all things China-socialism-communism, so he piled on (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6Buhli5MYk). Then Forbidden Knowledge ran with Corbett’s propaganda video, adding insult to injury.

Corbett is so cartoonishly bad about this subject, I even commented on it in China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (https://ganxy.com/i/113798/). It’s too bad, because otherwise he does some really good journalism. But then again, “liberal”, “progressive”, “alternative” journalists who have epileptic seizures at the mere whiff of China, socialism, communism or false flags (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/05/06/a-us-government-lie-exposed-the-1995-oklahoma-city-bombing-china-rising-radio-sinoland-170505/) are a renminbi a thousand. It takes courage and conviction to look outside your own bigoted, ideological blinders to admit that there are different points of view and squirm-in-your-seats, smoking gun evidence.

I sometimes wonder if journos like this get PayPal hongbao (red envelopes full of money given during Chinese New Year) from Langley and Vauxhall Cross, to post anti-Chinese propaganda. Or, maybe they are just your plain vanilla, subconscious racists (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/06/slavs-and-the-yellow-peril-are-niggers-brutes-and-beasts-in-the-eyes-of-western-empire-china-rising-radio-sinoland/). Forbidden Knowledge possibly didn’t notice it, but they allowed Godfree’s thoughtful and reasoned riposte to be published below their piece. If they nuke it, I have posted it below, safe for posterity.

In closing, here is a prime example of the difference between the West’s real life, fascist panopticon versus China’s open, honest and forthright Social Credit System. This month, China Central Television (CCTV) cooperated with Tencent Research (of Wechat fame) to do a national survey, talking to 8,000 citizens. The results were broadcast on CCTV, picked up by all the print and social media and it was the topic-of-the-country for a few days. Why? Because 76.3% of the respondents think that some kinds of artificial intelligence (AI) are a threat to their privacy (https://www.thestar.com.my/tech/tech-news/2018/03/06/the-increasing-use-of-artificial-intelligence-is-stoking-privacy-concerns-in-china/). As the world’s largest user of surveys and polls (I wrote a whole chapter on this in China Rising and here is an article that touches on it: http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2016/05/22/china-has-the-worlds-most-popular-government-for-a-reason-china-rising-radio-sinoland-160522/), I can guarantee you that the results of this poll and many others like it were/are put on President Xi Jinping’s desk, as well as in the hands of thousands of other decision makers in China’s government. Unlike the West, Baba Beijing and Chinese democracy are proactively responsive to the citizens’ concerns, hopes and aspirations (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/11/30/do-you-see-what-i-see-depends-on-where-you-look-china-rising-radio-sinoland-171130/). Thousands of poll results are synthesized, analyzed and end up in laws passed and policies changed. China’s is real people’s participatory democracy, not the elitist, Potemkin Western version (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/12/27/china-has-democracy-and-the-west-has-dictatorship-171227/).

Herewith is Godfree Robert’s comment about the Reuters/Corbett Report/Forbidden Knowledge fearmongering yarn about China’s SCS. It is a great combo with my aforementioned article on the same subject (http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/11/chinas-public-social-credit-system-versus-the-wests-secret-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180111/).

I would like to preface Godfree by saying that in the CSCS, if you have substantial back taxes, delinquent loans, unpaid financial court settlements and the like, you can be banned from flying, or taking costlier highspeed trains here. They may even take your passport. The logic being, if you can afford to buzz all over the place, then why can’t you pay your debts? These are usually well-heeled citizens who have the assets to live the high life. They can always drive their (chauffeured) cars on China’s 131,000km of motorways, more than any other country in the world (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size and http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2017/08/26/china-is-the-most-plugged-in-big-economy-in-the-world-china-rising-radio-sinoland-170824/). I have never heard of not being able to take the metro or standard trains, unless you are out of prison and on parole.

These kinds of restrictions and much more onerous ones are put upon citizens in the West. The United States is now routinely imprisoning poor people who owe money, East St. Louis being just one of many examples (https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/02/debtors-prison/462378/). That’s just the tip of the American iceberg for loss of freedoms and due process. The Oklahoma Department of Education (ODE) refuses to give me my updated teacher’s certificate, because I have sent in my tax returns to the IRS three times, and due to its incompetence, my returns have never been official registered in its database. Last summer, I even went to the Oklahoma Tax Commission and hand delivered my returns to them, but that’s not good enough. The feds say no go, so I’m out $50 at ODE for nothing but frustration and insults.

These kinds of governmental limits on freedom and due process are legendary in the West (I lived and worked in France for five years), often preying on the powerless, voiceless and dark skinned members of society. As Godfree explains below, the Chinese are getting legal recourse for the CSCS. I know experientially that they already have it in local courts for small claim redresses, because I threatened to sue my landlord in Beijing and he backed down, a true life story I detailed in China Is Communist Dammit – Dawn of the Red Dynasty (https://www.amazon.com/China-Communist-Dammit-Dawn-Dynasty/dp/6027354380/).

Godfree’s turn:

Erm, no. China’s very public Social Credit program is not America’s very secret No Fly List. Not even close.

Our media are interpreting yet another Chinese policy, Social Credit, in Western terms but China does things differently and, usually, better.

First, Social Credit is a popular initiative: the Chinese are the most trusting society on earth yet don’t have credit ratings so they’re tired of being scammed online for billions each year.

First [II], they trust the government–not private credit agencies like Equifax–to run projects that impact everyone because they trust their government far more than we trust ours: 86% of them say it works for everybody and not just for a fortunate few.

Second, Social Credit doesn’t just rate citizens. It rates everyone from government departments and individual officials to cops, corporations, Supreme Court justices, Congresspeople–absolutely everyone and every enterprise gets a social credit rating that arises naturally from their interactions with others.

Third, doesn’t this sound better than being secretly rated by private corporations who sell your information to other private corporations and secretly share it with government agencies–without your permission? And charge us for access to our own information? And offer no reciprocity? Ask TRW for a vendor’s credit history and current rating and what it costs you.

Fourth, Social Credit is 90% carrot and 10% stick: the higher your score the easier your life becomes. Japan and the Netherlands already offer expedited visa processing for tourists with scores above 750 and landlords and car rentals waive deposits if you’re over 800. It’s intended to be a magic carpet for those who play straight with everyone they encounter.

Fifth, all the rules are public and anyone can play and all changes to your SC rating are transparent to you, in real time. For free.

Sixth, China already has a prototype running, an online Social Credit Arbitration Court where, for a few dollars, you can have your case heard and receive a binding verdict that corrects mistakes. Millions of people use it and are refining it. It will go national in 2020.

Seventh, There’s an idealistic element: it’s part of China’s 2,000-year-old plan to create a ‘datong’ society in which (to be brief) everybody is taken care of and nobody needs to lock their doors at night: a goal every Chinese supports and which the government hopes to deliver by 2120. Imagine the effects of 100 years of Social Credit on the entire culture…

Customers applying for visas for developed countries, like Luxembourg or Japan, with scores above 750 need not submit bank records and enjoy perks like expedited airport security checks: a consumers’ magic carpet that reduces transaction fees and credit losses and builds consumer confidence. By 2018, more than 1,100 government officials had been blacklisted.

More carrot than stick, corporations with strong social credit can expect government contracts and low-interest loans and raises small corporations’ credit if they observe consumer and product safety regulations, while debiting them for unreliability, dishonesty, excess emissions and even poor worker safety. Regulators say that, when the system becomes integrated it will generate corporate scorecards directly from sensor data, CCTV cameras, government and court records and consumer reviews.

The program comes with a sting in its tail, as Oxford University’s Rogier Creemers says, “When rules are broken and not rectified in time you are entered in a list of ‘people subject to enforcement for trust breaking’ and denied access to things. Rules broken by corporations can lead to them being unable to issue corporate bonds and individuals being unable to become company directors. Trust-breakers can face penalties on subsidies, career progression, asset ownership and the ability to receive honorary titles from the Chinese government. Those who fail to repay debts are punished by travel restrictions”.

A typical travel restriction made the news in 2017 when a real estate developer attempted to book a first class ticket to London and found that the system would only issue him a tourist seat. When he investigated he found that his restriction stemmed from several court judgements whose penalties he had not paid. By 2018, the People’s Court had banned six million defaulters from traveling by air and was working with government departments to ensure that they would be ‘limited on multiple levels’. A local court got creative: when someone calls a delinquent debtor in Dengfeng, Henan Province, instead of a ringtone they hear, “The person you are calling is listed as dishonest by the Dengfeng People’s Court. Please urge them to fulfill their obligations”.

Social Credit gives consumers the same access to corporate and government ratings as corporations and governments have to consumers and make a highly trusting society transparent. Since it will be operational by 2020 and will doubtless arouse Western fears of Orwellian control, here is the official summary of the State Council’s Basic Plan for Establishing and Improving Systems of Joint Incentives for Trustworthiness [I posted the link to the whole document in my related article- http://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/01/11/chinas-public-social-credit-system-versus-the-wests-secret-panopticon-china-rising-radio-sinoland-180111/]:

Praise creditworthiness, discipline untrustworthiness. Fully utilize credit incentives and constraints, increasing the extent of incentives for trustworthy entities and of disciplinary actions for seriously untrustworthy entities, letting the trustworthy receive benefits and the untrustworthy be subject to restrictions, forming systemic mechanisms for praising honesty and disciplining untrustworthiness.

Coordinate departmental and social action. By disclosing and sharing credit information, establish cross-region, interdepartmental, and cross-sector mechanisms for joint incentives and joint disciplinary action, forming a common governance structure in which government departments coordinate their concerted action, industry organizes self-discipline and management, credit service organizations actively participate–all broadly supervised by public opinion.

Protect rights and interests in accordance with laws and regulations. Strictly follow laws, regulations and policies to scientifically delineate trustworthy and untrustworthy conduct, develop joint incentives for trustworthiness and joint disciplinary action for untrustworthiness.

Establish complete mechanisms for credit restoration, objections, appeals and so forth to protect all participants’ lawful rights and interests [the Social Credit Arbitration Court].

Focus on key points, coordinate advancement. Persist in being problem-oriented, striving to resolve credit issues in key industries that are currently harmful to the public interest and public safety, on which many people have given strong feedback [recall all the polls and surveys discussed above], or which have caused serious negative impacts on economic and social development.

Encourage and support innovations and demonstrations by local people’s governments and relevant departments and gradually expand mechanisms for jointly incentivizing trustworthiness and jointly discipline untrustworthiness to every area of the economy and society.

This is another Big Chinese Experiment, a revolutionary way for people and institutions to relate to one another so let’s give it a chance. Who knows? We might learn something.

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This article perfectly outlines what is a sign of the modern era its employment of 'software' strategies to gaslight and softly coercively control the population into silent conformity. It's now used in the current pandemic and it's almost plague-like effect upon social media and within the now denied hate crimes of gang stalking, surveillance scams, and fake news is impossible not to notice. I think the term 'lucid totalitarianism' should be appied.

[onawah]

NIGEL FARAGE: ‘COMMUNIST TAKEOVER’ UNDERWAY IN UK, CCP-LINKED FIRMS BUYING SCHOOLS
2/22/21
https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/nigel-farage-communist-takeover-underway-in-uk-ccp-linked-firms-buying-schools/

(Video, which I will request the Mods to embed, featuring Nigel Farage)

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"One of the main fronts of our unrestricted war is the Chinese Communist Party’s “Grand External Propaganda” war against the free world. Not only does the CCP actively spread its propaganda to the West, it has also succeeded in imposing its censorship abroad, with the proliferation of Cancel Culture and Big Tech de-platformings.

As we find out in this video, the same is occurring in the UK and likely everywhere else that is of strategic value to the CCP.

Brexit founder, Nigel Farage warns that there’s currently a “Communist takeover” of UK schools underway, as firms connected to the Chinese government are buying up private schools across the country. 17 schools are already owned by Chinese companies, 9 of which are owned by firms whose founders or bosses are among China’s most senior Communist Party members, according to reports.

According to Farage, students are “being taught that China is the future, they are literally being indoctrinated by the Chinese Communist Party.”

Back in the US, J Michael Waller, Senior Strategy Analyst from the Center for Security Policy says, “The CCP has mapped out every politician in the country, down to the governors and senior elected state legislators…they’ve mapped out who’s soft on the CCP or even likes them, who’s moderate or ambivalent and who’s hostile to them.”

New York State, which was hit hard by the pandemic has more economic and cultural exchanges with the CCP than any other state. According to the China General Chamber of Commerce, $50.9 billion of investment from China was injected into New York from 2011 to 2017, much more than any other state. The New York State government announced in 2017 that developing relations with China is one of its “top priorities”.

Seemingly innocent vectors, such as Sister Cities relationships are being exploited by the CCP. When the new mayor of Prague rejected the CCP’s “One China” (aka “no Taiwan”) policy and wanted to remove that language from their agreement, the CCP immediately threatened Prague with breaking off diplomatic relations, stopping flights and cutting financial aid. New York City, like Prague has signed a Sister City agreement with Beijing.

Casey Fleming, CEO of BlackOps Partners Corp says, “This is all infiltration, subversion to control the narrative and to control actions throughout the United States and to weaken the United States.”

Referring to the 80+ Confucius Institutes at US universities, 12 of them in New York State, NTDTV Senior China analyst, Heng He says, “The Chinese Communist Party has wiped out the traditional Chinese culture in Mainland China. Instead, it has replaced the traditional culture with the Communist Party’s culture, so the cultural exchange is actually exporting the Communist Party’s culture to the world.

“The CCP culture is contrary not only to American values but also to the universal values of the world. If this cultural exchange is accepted unwittingly, it is actually helping the CCP undermine American values…The American people have never experienced such harm in United States history, not even during the Cold War.”

The CCP is focused on the younger generations, who have no recollection of the Soviet Union, the Iron Curtain and of countries crumbling under Communist and Socialist regimes, so they’re more likely to fall for these propaganda efforts. One may ponder the role of China in the insurrection of 2020.

In this NTDTV documentary, we learn that as part of China’s trade war, the CCP has reached out to state governments, because state governments don’t have dedicated personnel for foreign diplomacy and people at the state level are far less vigilant towards the CCP and have less of an understanding of the CCP’s nature than do those in the Federal Government.

Wisconsin State Senator, Roger Roth recounts, “The Communist Party of China reached out to me on two occasions to pass a resolution praising them for their handling of the coronavirus. And what was probably most unusual about the request was that they provided me with the resolution. I’ve never had something like this happen.”

Roth received the two emails directly from the Chinese Consulate General in Chicago. One, in late February the other, in early March at a time when the epidemic was spreading across the United States and the economy was being hit hard.

Roth was angry but worried, too. He realized how the CCP had extended its influence to elected officials in the United States and that it may be a common practice. He says, “I’ve never spoken to their consulate before so that’s why it makes this request very unusual and very scary, that they felt that this was normal behavior, for a foreign government to come to a sovereign state, like Wisconsin and ask them to pass this resolution. Here’s probably the part that should scare most of us: they actually felt it was okay for them to do this. So, it makes you wonder, ‘Am I the first one that they’ve reached out to, to ask for a resolution to be passed?’ I find it hard to believe that I would be.”

With the Chinese-style online censorship that we’ve been seeing, especially since the beginning of the global scamdemic and in the wake of the stolen election, when the President was mass-deplatformed and de-banked, our Civil Rights have been savagely eroded. It’s high time we stir from our torpor regarding the Invisible Enemy, before it’s too late."

[Rain Forest]

it is one of the absurd lies made to take down China. At first it was widely spread in Taiwan first.... " They" use all kinds of lies as a war propaganda against China, to make the coming war on China reasonable,like what they did before to Iraq ......"The chemical weapons ****"..... Smart people would not believe this kind of **** and worry that a war on china will eventually lead to the 3rd world war.......

This is part of the plan for the end of the world, for every one. If that happens, nobody can escape.

It is very confusing that many people are aware of the mainstream media making lies to cheat the public, but when the mainstream media make one after another lie about China, they believe it and start working togethe as " a flesh propaganda machine" working together with the mainstream media voluntarily and tirelessly ......without realizing that they are using their double standard to help to push this world to the end,help to slaughter innocent people of this world, of course, they themselves cannot escape from it.

Have they been to China? NO.
How much they know China ? NONE.

They are just doing this out of igaorance, arrogance....... cold-blood and brutalness in their blood.

[Rain Forest]

Let us watch some videos ,at least to know the truth from people who has been living in China for years.

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[Rain Forest]

They tell the TRUTH about China.

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[Rain Forest]

Chinese people: We are happy!
Western media : No, you don’t know if you are happy or not. We decide that you are not happy.

WHAT THE HELL???



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[Rain Forest]

Can you have fun under China's OPPRESSION?:shielddeflect:

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[Rain Forest]

Ryan Shiflett
6 months ago
I have always been taught that China was a bad place, until I went to China in 2018 and my mind changed completely. Now I am in the process of moving there permanently.

Unfortunately I can’t convince people that China is a good place, my father (who is a trump supporter) believes the trash that appears on TV instead of believing someone who’s been throughout China. But it’s worth much more to start your own life from scratch than to surround yourself with people who believe lies, so I am definitely sure that I’ve made the right decision to move to China.

China Changed our Lives Forever ft. This is China.

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[Rain Forest]

Speaking With a Uyghur Activist About Xinjiang Abuse

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Doc Robert

I personally visited XinJiang twice. once in 2011 and once in 2019. First trip I went to northern XinJiang to see Kanas Lake in Burqin county (布尔津县), Altay region（阿勒泰地区）. On the way there we stayed in Urumchi. Locals said they had two major riots in ten years, the first one happened in 1992 and the second one happened in 2009, which is a major one. About two hundred Han people were killed and many government buildings were torched. On the way to Kansas Lake I met many locals and talked to them (mostly Uyghur), To me, Uyghurs are very nice people and they condemn the terrorist as much as we do because riots ruined their tourism business. They invite me to their house and treated us with amazing local cheese and milk tea. their children were taken good care by government, First, they have never been subjected to the One-Child policy. they can have as many child as they want. Second, except for government employees, all Uyghur children enjoy 12-year free education(Han people only have 9-year). Third, government provides free food and transportation for almost 80% of the countryside Uyghur students(They rest 20% are people who owns business or had family members work for government). Fourth, all Uyghur students have their class in both Mandarin and Uyghur language(science and maths are in Mandarin ). and I'M 100% SURE they do enjoy lower admission points in college acceptance. Because in my medical school in Si Chuan, I had 4 class mates are Uyghurs and their SAT points needed for entrance are 20 points lower than ours, which in fact caused some issues throughout the years, because Han people feel it was unfair. Even back then I feel unfair.
gotta go for work, to be continued..

[Rain Forest]

This guy is really funny!

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[Rain Forest]

John Deere and the Xinjiang Cotton Industry

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[Rain Forest]

No more lies about China. When people spread rumours from mainstream media,they are helping to provoke a war,the 3rd world war...

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[Rain Forest]

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some comments :


akira akira

"I live in the US and I've been hearing so much negative things and hatred about China that I got sick and tired and bought a plane ticket there to see it for myself. Stayed there for a month and found out everything told was complete BS. I even criticized the CCP government and nothing happened. It's all BS about being arrested, human rights abuse, etc...total BS. To my biggest surprise was I found so many American expats living there, and they all say american media is nothing else but BS and bad education. And regarding the policy about having one child, that only applies if you are living in central areas of big main cities like Beijing, Shanghai, Shenzhen, etc. where population is highly congested. If you live in the suburbs or smaller cities you can have as many kids as you want. You are also allowed to protest against the government as long as it's a non violent peaceful demonstration. Seen one when I was there and was inside the crowd with the protesters. Western media is nothing else but complete bullsh*t!"


"We don't hate Chinese people, we just want to destroy their country and way of life"

"Very true Fernando. CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that."

’History shows how much the West loves the Chinese and why stop with China.The nations that have had colonies have a record of treating their subjects with brutal authority ,and this only stopped when they were driving out .'

"The US regime also said the same thing with Venezuela, Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afganistan, many countries in south america and list goes on and on. This only means that tthey want to destroy these countries."

"What do you mean I'd have to communicate with the Chinese people if I want change in their government, they should just do what I think!"

”You cannot love the son when you hate his father - African Proverb“

[Delight]

CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.

I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?

Just as in the US where I live, the Government does not represent ordinary people for the most part (though there are people I know who are apologists for the government).

I am quite sure and saddened by the possibility of a world wide war. However, I, from the very little I know, think that there is already war occurring. This is already fully progressed. If people think there is nothing happening then they stay complacent. Media spell binds and who owns our media? Propaganda is vital to keep people believing what is sold to them is true.

IMO there is something concerning China that is very obvious... they control the world by way of having underwritten production. Now global corps all moved operations to China. Now the US is very vulnerable and has a government full of CCP friends. The "social credit" system at play is rolling out in Israel, the British Isles, Australia and Canada at this moment the US is on its way too. China has flooded our US market with inferior goods. IMO the plan is that everyone will be owned by China. That is the CCP and not the citizens.

I am NOT an apologist for the US. Government has done much harm through the world. IMO we are all pawns. I pray that light will well up in everyones' beings and we will be freed of our ignorance. IMO there is a common theme for what matters and it has to do with the 7th generation away form us... will their world be beautiful and rich and full of creative life.

IMO China as the CCP is ugly.

My preference is community be LOCAL and connected so we can communicate and trade. Bubbles on bubbles of various communities which interact build to a world, NOT a top down management. That possibility is what I imagine and seeing it will be a miracle IMO.

[onawah]

There are plenty of people who have travelled through China and Chinese who have left China who verify the horror stories about China in the MMS.
I've posted some of them in the thread Turmoil in China.
The CCP's propaganda machine is so huge now, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are targeting forums like Avalon these days too.
So I also wonder if you are a CCP apologist or shill, Rain Forest, though if you are, of course you will deny it.


CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.

I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?

[Rain Forest]

CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.

I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?

Just as in the US where I live, the Government does not represent ordinary people for the most part (though there are people I know who are apologists for the government).

I am quite sure and saddened by the possibility of a world wide war. However, I, from the very little I know, think that there is already war occurring. This is already fully progressed. If people think there is nothing happening then they stay complacent. Media spell binds and who owns our media? Propaganda is vital to keep people believing what is sold to them is true.

IMO there is something concerning China that is very obvious... they control the world by way of having underwritten production. Now global corps all moved operations to China. Now the US is very vulnerable and has a government full of CCP friends. The "social credit" system at play is rolling out in Israel, the British Isles, Australia and Canada at this moment the US is on its way too. China has flooded our US market with inferior goods. IMO the plan is that everyone will be owned by China. That is the CCP and not the citizens.

I am NOT an apologist for the US. Government has done much harm through the world. IMO we are all pawns. I pray that light will well up in everyones' beings and we will be freed of our ignorance. IMO there is a common theme for what matters and it has to do with the 7th generation away form us... will their world be beautiful and rich and full of creative life.

IMO China as the CCP is ugly.

My preference is community be LOCAL and connected so we can communicate and trade. Bubbles on bubbles of various communities which interact build to a world, NOT a top down management. That possibility is what I imagine and seeing it will be a miracle IMO.


Sorry, that is just a comment somebody left on Youtube,i don't know him/her. If you would like to discuss about that comment with him/her, it might be btter to go to youtube ,find them and talk to them.

[Rain Forest]

There are plenty of people who have travelled through China and Chinese who have left China who verify the horror stories about China in the MMS.
I've posted some of them in the thread Turmoil in China.
The CCP's propaganda machine is so huge now, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are targeting forums like Avalon these days too.
So I also wonder if you are a CCP apologist or shill, Rain Forest, though if you are, of course you will deny it.


CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.

I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?



Sorry ,you can assume i am an ET,if you want and like that. I don't really care. Or you can imagine me as a homeless person who lives a very miserable life......anyway like you please.

Becacuse no matter what i say, you won't believe. So let's call it good here.

[Mashika]

There are plenty of people who have travelled through China and Chinese who have left China who verify the horror stories about China in the MMS.
I've posted some of them in the thread Turmoil in China.
The CCP's propaganda machine is so huge now, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are targeting forums like Avalon these days too.
So I also wonder if you are a CCP apologist or shill, Rain Forest, though if you are, of course you will deny it.


CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.

I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?



Sorry ,you can assume i am an ET,if you want and like that. I don't really care. Or you can imagine me as a homeless person who lives a very miserable life......anyway like you please.

Becacuse no matter what i say, you won't believe. So let's call it good here.

Maybe because you don't say anything! You just spamming all threads with the same videos dude

See this, if youtube is blocked in China, how are you getting those videos?

Should we assume you found a safe vpn and went looking for those specific videos and made a list of "shiny happy people holding hands" just so you could come here and post them all over the place?

Why would someone do that? Risk it like that just to come and spam all the same videos all over the place? Are we to believe everything is perfect and shiny because a video says so?

That's why it looks apologetic, and very odd

Anything you dislike about China? We all have things we hate about our countries, it is normal. Tells us what you hate the most about China, the government maybe? Lack of food safety? The one kid thing?

[Mashika]

I can say for example that even if Russia has had equal rights for man and women since forever, and that Putin says a woman can do any job they want, it's a farce. Because the local job code saying around 400 jobs are forbidden for woman in general. Including being a pilot for example, which i wanted to be, and that's shameful and oppressive (What do you call a government that has a list of jobs a woman can't do, and they constantly check and review? On a country built on the shoulders of woman?)

And i can say it freely, no repercussions. So tell us what's wrong, not just the nice parts. Should be ok because you are on a vpn or not on China at this time, right? Can you speak freely?

[Delight]

Sorry, that is just a comment somebody left on Youtube,i don't know him/her. If you would like to discuss about that comment with him/her, it might be btter to go to youtube ,find them and talk to them.

Haha. Are you CCP?

[Mashika]

Sorry, that is just a comment somebody left on Youtube,i don't know him/her. If you would like to discuss about that comment with him/her, it might be btter to go to youtube ,find them and talk to them.

Bit offtopic but earlier today, when Rain Forest replied to me in Russian, there was a typo, Rain Forest wrote "Спасиба" when it should have been "Спасибо", then later edited the post and corrected spelling

From:


Огромное спасиба! Я буду отвечать вам завтра. Спокойной ночи.

To:


Огромное спасибо! Я буду отвечать вам завтра. Спокойной ночи.


The reason i bring this up is because it's a bit bothersome to me, because when you write that word, it ends in o, but when you pronounce it, it sounds kind of like 'a' at the end: Kind of like "Spasiba", with the 'a' sounding like 'ah'

But, the only way you could end up with a written word with the 'a' at the end, is if you translated from English to Russian... because the 'a' character doesn't exist in the Chinese alphabet, and if you were to use something like google translate, where would it find the 'a' since that's not a character on Chinese at all? I tried to translate "Thank you" in several languages and into Russian, the only time i get that misspelling with the 'a' at the end is when translating "Spasiba" to Russian, selecting source as English and Russian as end translation

And i know that was translated from some site, because of the use of "Спокойной ночи" :)

Should have been: Доброй ночи :thumbsup:

So, how did you get that typo Rain Forest? Since it can only happen from English -> Russian and only if you miswrite the word as it is pronounced, not as it would be written if you searched for it on your own language. Why did you use English to find the Russian translation of that word? In all my life, i've only seen English speaking people make that mistake, because of how the language works. For other cyrillic people, or japanese or other languages, i have never seen that, because there's no 'a' letter at all and you don't have that image of translating the sound into a written character with the same sound, as you must surely know

That, you have carefully avoided really speaking up your mind so far, and seem to be able to access youtube very freely without any worry, but ignore any questions about China and "you don't care" what anyone else thinks, but keep posting videos that could almost be called propaganda because of the way you keep spamming them and the very specific view they form. Those things lead to some picture of what you want here

So apologies if i'm wrong but you kind of leading people into thinking this way, by your own actions

You remain silent about your personal opinion on China's social credit system, which is what this thread was about, but kept posting other stuff not related to it that only makes China look good and nothing more

See why it would look very suspicious? It just looks like you have an agenda, and people can see it building up, it's troublesome specially because you refuse to talk more and just quote other people, but only the comments that conform to the view of China you want to expose

:sherlock::sherlock::sherlock::sherlock:

[Rain Forest]

There are plenty of people who have travelled through China and Chinese who have left China who verify the horror stories about China in the MMS.
I've posted some of them in the thread Turmoil in China.
The CCP's propaganda machine is so huge now, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are targeting forums like Avalon these days too.
So I also wonder if you are a CCP apologist or shill, Rain Forest, though if you are, of course you will deny it.


CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.

I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?



Sorry ,you can assume i am an ET,if you want and like that. I don't really care. Or you can imagine me as a homeless person who lives a very miserable life......anyway like you please.

Becacuse no matter what i say, you won't believe. So let's call it good here.

Maybe because you don't say anything! You just spamming all threads with the same videos dude

See this, if youtube is blocked in China, how are you getting those videos?

Should we assume you found a safe vpn and went looking for those specific videos and made a list of "shiny happy people holding hands" just so you could come here and post them all over the place?

Why would someone do that? Risk it like that just to come and spam all the same videos all over the place? Are we to believe everything is perfect and shiny because a video says so?

That's why it looks apologetic, and very odd

Anything you dislike about China? We all have things we hate about our countries, it is normal. Tells us what you hate the most about China, the government maybe? Lack of food safety? The one kid thing?

Hi, which area of Russia you come from? Ukrain? Or some place else. Would you please tell me what things you hate about your countries first.

[Rain Forest]

I can say for example that even if Russia has had equal rights for man and women since forever, and that Putin says a woman can do any job they want, it's a farce. Because the local job code saying around 400 jobs are forbidden for woman in general. Including being a pilot for example, which i wanted to be, and that's shameful and oppressive (What do you call a government that has a list of jobs a woman can't do, and they constantly check and review? On a country built on the shoulders of woman?)

And i can say it freely, no repercussions. So tell us what's wrong, not just the nice parts. Should be ok because you are on a vpn or not on China at this time, right? Can you speak freely?

This sounds wierd. As far as i know, women in Russia area are usually not only capable, hardworking, endurable, very smart ,but also do all kinds of jobs no worse than any men.
Your stories i never heard.
And i know many Ukrainians hate Russia....but a lot of them like russia,for example , in the east of Ukrain.
Russian women did a lot of jobs which only belonged to men before,even during the second world war,

[Mashika]

There are plenty of people who have travelled through China and Chinese who have left China who verify the horror stories about China in the MMS.
I've posted some of them in the thread Turmoil in China.
The CCP's propaganda machine is so huge now, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are targeting forums like Avalon these days too.
So I also wonder if you are a CCP apologist or shill, Rain Forest, though if you are, of course you will deny it.


CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.

I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?



Sorry ,you can assume i am an ET,if you want and like that. I don't really care. Or you can imagine me as a homeless person who lives a very miserable life......anyway like you please.

Becacuse no matter what i say, you won't believe. So let's call it good here.

Maybe because you don't say anything! You just spamming all threads with the same videos dude

See this, if youtube is blocked in China, how are you getting those videos?

Should we assume you found a safe vpn and went looking for those specific videos and made a list of "shiny happy people holding hands" just so you could come here and post them all over the place?

Why would someone do that? Risk it like that just to come and spam all the same videos all over the place? Are we to believe everything is perfect and shiny because a video says so?

That's why it looks apologetic, and very odd

Anything you dislike about China? We all have things we hate about our countries, it is normal. Tells us what you hate the most about China, the government maybe? Lack of food safety? The one kid thing?

Hi, which area of Russia you come from? Ukrain? Or some place else. Would you please tell me what things you hate about your countries first.

Ukrania? :faint: That's another country...... lol

I'm from Moscow Oblast, Ukrania has not been part of Russia ever, and stopped being part of the USSR since like 1991 or so

I already said what i hate about my country, that's off topic to continue talking about. This thread is not about me or Russia, it's about the social credit system on China

There are some rules to follow on this forum, one of them is that you must not derail the thread, specially on purpose to avoid getting to the point because you may not like where it goes :)

I think it would be interesting to know what do you think of the Social Credit System implemented in China, do you like it, or not? What's your score? Do you think it's fair to be subjected to something like that?

[Mashika]

I can say for example that even if Russia has had equal rights for man and women since forever, and that Putin says a woman can do any job they want, it's a farce. Because the local job code saying around 400 jobs are forbidden for woman in general. Including being a pilot for example, which i wanted to be, and that's shameful and oppressive (What do you call a government that has a list of jobs a woman can't do, and they constantly check and review? On a country built on the shoulders of woman?)

And i can say it freely, no repercussions. So tell us what's wrong, not just the nice parts. Should be ok because you are on a vpn or not on China at this time, right? Can you speak freely?

This sounds wierd. As far as i know, women in Russia area are usually not only capable, hardworking, endurable, very smart ,but also do all kinds of jobs no worse than any men.
Your stories i never heard.
And i know many Ukrainians hate Russia....but a lot of them like russia,for example , in the east of Ukrain.
Russian women did a lot of jobs which only belonged to men before,even during the second world war,

You don't know what you're talking about, there is nothing weird about it, it's a real thing. But i know you are trying to deflect and derail the thread, i'm not going to follow you on this more than posting this, for reference to other members here

https://www.rt.com/russia/457651-women-forbidden-jobs-russia/

Other than that, please stop derailing the thread, i think it was very important and you seem to be trying to make people distract for the real purpose of it, "for reasons"

And please stop using American pronunciation of "Украина", or at least use Ucraine or Ukraine if you are going to keep pretending, it's awkward lol, aren't you supposed to be from China? Why do you know better the US pronunciation than the real one that is closer to you, specially if you "know many Ukrainians". I think you are just trolling by now

[I am B]

Sorry, that is just a comment somebody left on Youtube,i don't know him/her. If you would like to discuss about that comment with him/her, it might be btter to go to youtube ,find them and talk to them.

Bit offtopic but earlier today, when Rain Forest replied to me in Russian, there was a typo, Rain Forest wrote "Спасиба" when it should have been "Спасибо", then later edited the post and corrected spelling

From:


Огромное спасиба! Я буду отвечать вам завтра. Спокойной ночи.

To:


Огромное спасибо! Я буду отвечать вам завтра. Спокойной ночи.


The reason i bring this up is because it's a bit bothersome to me, because when you write that word, it ends in o, but when you pronounce it, it sounds kind of like 'a' at the end: Kind of like "Spasiba", with the 'a' sounding like 'ah'

But, the only way you could end up with a written word with the 'a' at the end, is if you translated from English to Russian... because the 'a' character doesn't exist in the Chinese alphabet, and if you were to use something like google translate, where would it find the 'a' since that's not a character on Chinese at all? I tried to translate "Thank you" in several languages and into Russian, the only time i get that misspelling with the 'a' at the end is when translating "Spasiba" to Russian, selecting source as English and Russian as end translation

And i know that was translated from some site, because of the use of "Спокойной ночи" :)

Should have been: Доброй ночи :thumbsup:

So, how did you get that typo Rain Forest? Since it can only happen from English -> Russian and only if you miswrite the word as it is pronounced, not as it would be written if you searched for it on your own language. Why did you use English to find the Russian translation of that word? In all my life, i've only seen English speaking people make that mistake, because of how the language works. For other cyrillic people, or japanese or other languages, i have never seen that, because there's no 'a' letter at all and you don't have that image of translating the sound into a written character with the same sound, as you must surely know

That, you have carefully avoided really speaking up your mind so far, and seem to be able to access youtube very freely without any worry, but ignore any questions about China and "you don't care" what anyone else thinks, but keep posting videos that could almost be called propaganda because of the way you keep spamming them and the very specific view they form. Those things lead to some picture of what you want here

So apologies if i'm wrong but you kind of leading people into thinking this way, by your own actions

You remain silent about your personal opinion on China's social credit system, which is what this thread was about, but kept posting other stuff not related to it that only makes China look good and nothing more

See why it would look very suspicious? It just looks like you have an agenda, and people can see it building up, it's troublesome specially because you refuse to talk more and just quote other people, but only the comments that conform to the view of China you want to expose

:sherlock::sherlock::sherlock::sherlock:

As a spanish studying Russian i have to say that спасибА is a preety common typo here too because of reasons, not related to translator tho. So he may be european (or at least spanish) too. Just sayin'

One way or another, seeing the next messages, your point is completely valid.

Quoting delight:

Are you CCP?

[Rain Forest]

There are plenty of people who have travelled through China and Chinese who have left China who verify the horror stories about China in the MMS.
I've posted some of them in the thread Turmoil in China.
The CCP's propaganda machine is so huge now, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are targeting forums like Avalon these days too.
So I also wonder if you are a CCP apologist or shill, Rain Forest, though if you are, of course you will deny it.


CPC has become integrated part of China and China modern history. Hating CPC is hating Chinese, no doubt about that.

I do not live in China so I cannot verify anything you are posting? However, why are you here as an apologist for the CCP?



Sorry ,you can assume i am an ET,if you want and like that. I don't really care. Or you can imagine me as a homeless person who lives a very miserable life......anyway like you please.

Becacuse no matter what i say, you won't believe. So let's call it good here.

Maybe because you don't say anything! You just spamming all threads with the same videos dude

See this, if youtube is blocked in China, how are you getting those videos?

Should we assume you found a safe vpn and went looking for those specific videos and made a list of "shiny happy people holding hands" just so you could come here and post them all over the place?

Why would someone do that? Risk it like that just to come and spam all the same videos all over the place? Are we to believe everything is perfect and shiny because a video says so?

That's why it looks apologetic, and very odd

Anything you dislike about China? We all have things we hate about our countries, it is normal. Tells us what you hate the most about China, the government maybe? Lack of food safety? The one kid thing?

Hi, which area of Russia you come from? Ukrain? Or some place else. Would you please tell me what things you hate about your countries first.

Ukrania? :faint: That's another country...... lol

I'm from Moscow Oblast, Ukrania has not been part of Russia ever, and stopped being part of the USSR since like 1991 or so

I already said what i hate about my country, that's off topic to continue talking about. This thread is not about me or Russia, it's about the social credit system on China

There are some rules to follow on this forum, one of them is that you must not derail the thread, specially on purpose to avoid getting to the point because you may not like where it goes :)

I think it would be interesting to know what do you think of the Social Credit System implemented in China, do you like it, or not? What's your score? Do you think it's fair to be subjected to something like that?


I tell you the fact, and i will not repeat it:

As a Chinese, i never knew such a system as so called "the Social Credit System". And i don't think any chinese really knows about such a system.


The fact is here.

The so called Social Credit System is just another lie made by liars. Just BS .

About the CCP, according to some people's criteria, anybody who talks good about China is either CCP,(if this is a chinese), or paid to say that,(if this is westner ).

These two standard ways is just convenient to use,but too old.

[I am B]

No buddy, I've been studying chinese for a few years already, got a small bunch of chinese friends, and given the situation, I discussed the social credit matter with most of them since it started being implemented a few years ago. While some were more or less supportive towards it, they all "admitted" (and say admit with quotes, because it isnt even a disputable fact) it exists and that the level of surveillance is as bad as is exposed. Damn, we were even discussing the very visible effect it had on society. (being able to leave your phone on the restaurant table while going to pee without risk of it being stolen, sudden perfection of driving manners, and a long long etc.)

I personally know youre outright lying. Now I'm asking why.

[Delight]

I personally know youre outright lying. Now I'm asking why.

I saw a video where China (CCP) has recently been using INTENSE persuasion with the Ugyur situation. They are NOT being subjected to mass incarceration and NO there are no slave labor camps or forced organ donation. Again, I have no clue about life on the individual level and never been to China. However, I am deeply suspicious that social credit is as I write the plan here and yonder all over the world. And it's for all the people who have survived the jabs.

There is a HUGE push ATM to gaslight the human collective. For one thing, the last possible moment is the one where the trap can be tripped. If the rabbit knows, the rabbit flees. "OF COURSE there is no global coordination to impose total indoor/outdoor zoo habitation. Every thing being done is ONLY to make the world a happy brightly lit Lalatopia. Let's all sing and dance because the jab will save us. I see the truth being systematically squelched JUST LIKE CHINA IS DOING TO ITS CITIZENS. That way people have no organized defense.

LOTS of people must be working the propaganda machine ATM. Here as well?

[Mashika]

No buddy, I've been studying chinese for a few years already, got a small bunch of chinese friends, and given the situation, I discussed the social credit matter with most of them since it started being implemented a few years ago. While some were more or less supportive towards it, they all "admitted" (and say admit with quotes, because it isnt even a disputable fact) it exists and that the level of surveillance is as bad as is exposed. Damn, we were even discussing the very visible effect it had on society. (being able to leave your phone on the restaurant table while going to pee without risk of it being stolen, sudden perfection of driving manners, and a long long etc.)

I personally know youre outright lying. Now I'm asking why.

Derailing the thread is the purpose, now he seems to want the focus to be "he's lying" and then we spend a lot of time adding more and more statements about what we see instead of focusing with quality comments on the actual purpose of the thread. Until it gets flooded with missinformation and a lot of pointless bickering back and forth

That's pretty much it, and that's why he posts preposterous things like "i never heard of it". So that we start discussing that particular thing (that he is clearly lying) instead of the actual issues with the social credit system and how it could be implemented on other countries as well

Or in other words, he want us to discuss "him and his weird funny lies" instead of the actual issue

:clapping:

[Icare]

I posted this on the Covid news and updates thread earlier on. I think it also fits here and may bring us back to topic, hopefully:

Dr. Naomi Wolf: 'The vaccine passport plan is the same platform as the social credit system in China

The video clip is about 8 minutes long and explains the system well:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/FzhptWvT2YES/

[I am B]

I agree mashika. I guess finding the cause of it would be a small way to understand this dictatorial system being pushed a bit more.

In spain, we're slowly getting more and more cameras on the streets. So far where I live, we have a camera system on every square and roundabout to control access to town, although theres no huge score system or similar yet, and the "only" ones with access to them are the local police to prevent theft, etc.

Gonna leave this spot here. Looks preety genuine, and scary. Not sure its been mentioned before.

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[Rain Forest]

No buddy, I've been studying chinese for a few years already, got a small bunch of chinese friends, and given the situation, I discussed the social credit matter with most of them since it started being implemented a few years ago. While some were more or less supportive towards it, they all "admitted" (and say admit with quotes, because it isnt even a disputable fact) it exists and that the level of surveillance is as bad as is exposed. Damn, we were even discussing the very visible effect it had on society. (being able to leave your phone on the restaurant table while going to pee without risk of it being stolen, sudden perfection of driving manners, and a long long etc.)

I personally know youre outright lying. Now I'm asking why.


1How much do you know about China? Have you been there? Who authorizes you to Judge me?

2 you mean camera surveillance? WOW , That is what is called "The Social credit system" ? ?? (With those funny " credits" which doesn't exist at all. )... but we do have a driver's license system with credits. And also we have the credit record from credit card, both are the same as in other countries. That means if you violates a certain rules of transportation, you lose some credits ,if you lose a lot of the credits of your driver's license, your driver's license will be suspended; If you have bad record on your credit card,.... You will have problem when buying a house or a vehicle. Because your application for loan night very probably not be approved.


In China cameras are usually installed at the main crossings, the entrance of Commercial buildings, department stores, supermarket....the residential area. The same as in many other countries, in public areas. If you want, you can buy some and intall in your yard. Nobody would interfere with that.

In fact ,that helps Chinese police solve a lot of crimes with much higher rate and efficiency. Criminals are most afraid of those cameras. Chinese people don't have any problems with those cameras installed at critical entrances. Why does that bother you ,ten thousand miles away from China? ( Are you paid by CIA? Are you paid to do this? );) Haha ,Joke.

Like this covid thing, if from the start , people had been suggested to wear masks to prevent covid-19, and people in so-called democratic countries had realized the severe situation, had been more cooperative, everyone wearing masks , everywhere..... The death rate from covid-19 would not be so high like now. But they would not like to sacrifice a little of "their own temporary freedom" for the long term common freedom.... Which leads to the high death rate of covid.

The same with a certain amounts of cameras at necessary critical Crossings and entrances of public areas, if people don't want that,oppose that, afraid of their pravicy leaked..... (In fact we already have no privacy according to Edward Snowden.) , They have to bear the high crime rate.
The safety in their country can't be guaranteed so much like in China. (By the way ,how is the rate and efficiency of solving crimes in the country where you live? )

3 A Many westerners like to live in China for many reasons, safety accounts for one of the main reasons . They can go out at night anytime they want,without worrying about gun shootings, violence...junkies.....
B another reason is convenient , prompt ,cheap and effectuent medical service in China,which might make any middle-class person get broke overnight in US.


This is all I know.


Thank you for being so curious. Curiosity keeps us young.


Because of the time, i can only answer one question at a time.

Enjoy life and keep healthy!

[LJY]

Hey guys, I know Rain Forest may look very like a CCP online propoganda officer to you guys. And if I were you, I would doubt as well if Avalon forum becoming a target of CCP's penetrating.

But she may be, and she may be not. And if she is really a CCP penetrating online propoganda officer, I'd say that'd be not too bad. The worse scenario would be that she is not and she sincerely believes all of the YouTube videos she posted here.

As an expat Chinese as well, I can assure you that Rain Forest is far from being alone. There are numberless Chinese I know directly and indirectly, live in and outside of China would agree with her opinions (although she was questioned that she didn't say her opinions, but there's a way of Chinese expressing their opinion -- simply reposting a video, means I 100% agree with what the video says). And I myself was a believer of these videos and the related paradigm as well.

I was aware of what is CCP and very aware of the state of the lack of freedom in China, but as Donald Trump becoming the US president and starting the trade war, Chinese government accordingly started waves of very strong and convincing propaganda. And I was one of those being convinced or more precisely, being emotionally moved and called as a Chinese.

When disinformation further mixed with emotions (the love to your country and deeply sadness about your beloved country's sufferings), people can be very confused and thoughts in a mess.

Chinese government released mixed information, partly truth and partly propaganda lies. The truth part was very convincing and astonishing, and was a very good cover for some mixed lies in it.

Emotionally, Chinese people believe they have been long bullied and sabotaged by the West and their followers. And they proudly believe that the bullying wouldn't be allowed anymore since China arises as a result of Chinese people's decades of hard working.

As time approaching 2020, I have to say that I feel (it is I FEEL, not have to be true) there was more and more hatred towards the west, or white people, and their "following dogs" in Asia, Japanese and Taiwanese. You can say they are racists, but they are and they are not. They truly believe that they have been bullied for too long time and it's time to fight back bravely.

Truths or lies, right or wrong, it doesn't change the fact that so many Chinese people truely believe that is true and right. Waking up people has been what Bill and Avalon forum devoted to all these years, but the way is still very long and hard.

[Sérénité]

https://www.blacklistednews.com/article/79796/chinas-social-credit-scoring-is-expanding-globally-now-openly-operational-in-western.html

CHINA’S “SOCIAL CREDIT SCORING” IS EXPANDING GLOBALLY, NOW OPENLY OPERATIONAL IN WESTERN CANADA

The above link caught my attention today...

China’s Orwellian “social credit system” that records the social and financial behaviour of individuals and corporations across China, using a vast surveillance system, has expanded globally, and is now openly operational at the renowned Haidilao hot pot restaurant, in Western Canada.

Ryan Pan, a manager with Haidilao Hot Pot in Vancouver confirmed that over 60 surveillance cameras have been installed in the restaurant at the request of the Haidilao corporation, as part of the social credit system in China. He said that the Vancouver location has 30 tables with two cameras assigned to each table.

When asked specifically why Haidilao required so many cameras to monitor staff and patrons, Ryan Pan said that the cameras were installed to “punish” staff if they didn’t adhere to corporate standards and to “people track”. Pan also said that the video is sent back to China but declined to say why this was, other than to say the reason for this was “secret.”

Founded in Sichuan, China, the Haidilao opened up at two locations in the Vancouver region, the most recent of which was opened in 2018 in a former Swiss Chalet restaurant in the trendy Kitsilano district of Vancouver. The location is within walking distance of the home rented by Huawei for staff temporarily re-located to Vancouver to assist Meng Wanzhou, the chief financial officer (CFO) of the telecom giant. Following her arrest and hearing over a provisional US extradition request for fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud in order to circumvent US sanctions against Iran. The Haidilao location is no more than 10 minutes to Meng Wanzhou’s mansion and the Peoples Republic of China Consulate. Haidilao has over 935 locations around the world and more than 36 million VIP members and 60,000 plus staff.

We reached out to Ivy Li, with the Canadian Friends of Hong Kong, who is a well-known public speaker, writer and activist on matters related to China and pro-democracy, to ask why Canadians should be concerned that China’s social credit system is now operational in Canada.

Ivy, who was born and raised in Hong Kong, had this to say in response: “Not only ethnic Chinese Canadians and residents, and businesses with Chinese ties are put at risk, but the privacy and safety of all Canadians and our society are compromised. Customers at a popular ethnic cuisine restaurant, especially in an upscale area, could be diplomats and politicians entertaining their guests, CEOs discussing their business strategies, professionals talking about company projects, journalists conducting interviews, etc., etc. Dinners discuss a wide range of subjects, especially after a couple of wine. The dining table in a popular restaurant is one of the best places to eavesdrop on someone and to get the pulse of a society.” ...

(READ MORE AT THE ABOVE LINK)

[I am B]

Here in spain, we're getting more and more surveillance cameras. First it was only at town entrances/roundabouts, to prevent some burglary problems (acceptable imho). But now theyre everywhere. Squares, streets, neighborhoods... I'd say we're 60/70% ready infrastructure-wise to embrace social credit, and with the huge basic-right crushing politics on the table (because of coincidential covid) , it could be a near reality.

Time to take the dust off the balaclava and the baseball bat i guess...

[ExomatrixTV]

'You're Here Under Oath, Are You Going To Answer The Questions?' Cruz Grills TikTok Executive:

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[Delight]

Chinese propaganda

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[Bill Ryan]

From CNN (and many other blog pages, reported on 15 June):


https://cnn.com/2022/06/15/china/china-zhengzhou-bank-fraud-health-code-protest-intl-hnk/index.html

China's bank run victims planned to protest. Then their Covid health codes turned red

Liu, a 39-year-old tech worker in Beijing, arrived in the central city of Zhengzhou on Sunday with all the boxes ticked to travel under China's stringent Covid restrictions.

He had tested negative for Covid-19 the day before; his hotel had confirmed he could be checked in; and the health code on his phone app was green -- meaning he had not been exposed to people or places deemed risks and was therefore free to travel.

But when Liu scanned a local QR code to exit the Zhengzhou train station, his health code came back red -- a nightmare for any traveler in China, where freedom of movement is strictly dictated by a color-code system imposed by the government to control the spread of the virus.

Anyone with a red code -- usually assigned to people infected with Covid or deemed by authorities to be at high risk of infection -- immediately becomes persona non grata. They are banned from all public venues and transport, and are often subject to weeks of government quarantine.

That all but derailed plans for Liu, who had come to Zhengzhou, the provincial capital of Henan province, to seek redress from a bank that has frozen his deposits. He had put his life savings -- totaling about 6 million yuan ($890,000) -- into a rural bank in Henan, and since April hasn't been able to withdraw a penny.

Over the past two months, thousands of depositors like Liu have been fighting to recover their savings from at least four rural banks in Henan -- in a case that involves billions of dollars. In late May, hundreds of them traveled to Zhengzhou from across China and staged a protest outside the office of the Henan banking regulator to demand their money back -- to no avail.

Another protest was planned for Monday. But as the depositors arrived in Zhengzhou, they were stunned to find that their health codes -- which were green upon departure -- had turned red, according to six who spoke with CNN and social media posts.

Dozens of depositors were taken into a quarantine hotel guarded by police and local officials, before being sent away on trains bound for their hometowns the next day; others were "quarantined" at several other locations in the city, including a college campus, according to the witnesses and online posts.

Depositors accused Zhengzhou authorities of tampering with the health code system to prevent them from returning to the city -- and thus thwarting their plans to fend for their rights.

"The health code should have been used to prevent the spread of the pandemic, but now it has deviated from its original role and become something like a good citizen certificate," said Qiu, a depositor in eastern Jiangsu province.

Qiu, a teacher, had not been to Henan to protest, but his health code also turned red on Sunday evening after he scanned a QR code from Zhengzhou. He said a fellow depositor had shared a photo of the Zhengzhou QR code on the WeChat messaging app, in an attempt to find out whether depositors outside Henan were also affected.

The red code seems to target only depositors. Qiu used his wife's phone to scan the QR code, and it came back green, he said. "I called the government hotline in Zhengzhou to complain about my red code, and they told me there was some error with the Big Data information database."

[onawah]

Analysis of critical points of freezing of over one million deposits by Chinese banks
2,615 views Jun 24, 2022
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(It's all connected to the fraudulent building industry in China, which is completely out of control.)

"According to Liberty Times Net, all deposits in Yuzhou Xin Minsheng Village Bank, Shangcai Huimin Village Bank, Zhecheng Huanghuai Village Bank, and Kaifeng New Oriental Village Bank have been frozen since April 18, resulting in several protests in Zhengzhou, Henan’s capital."

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More here:
Gravitas: Angry depositors in China protest for their money
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"For almost two months, thousands of desperate depositors in China have been struggling to recover their savings. 4 banks suddenly suspended cash withdrawals. Palki Sharma tells you about the latest bank runs in China."
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From CNN (and many other blog pages, reported on 15 June):


https://cnn.com/2022/06/15/china/china-zhengzhou-bank-fraud-health-code-protest-intl-hnk/index.html

China's bank run victims planned to protest. Then their Covid health codes turned red

Liu, a 39-year-old tech worker in Beijing, arrived in the central city of Zhengzhou on Sunday with all the boxes ticked to travel under China's stringent Covid restrictions.

He had tested negative for Covid-19 the day before; his hotel had confirmed he could be checked in; and the health code on his phone app was green -- meaning he had not been exposed to people or places deemed risks and was therefore free to travel.

But when Liu scanned a local QR code to exit the Zhengzhou train station, his health code came back red -- a nightmare for any traveler in China, where freedom of movement is strictly dictated by a color-code system imposed by the government to control the spread of the virus.

Anyone with a red code -- usually assigned to people infected with Covid or deemed by authorities to be at high risk of infection -- immediately becomes persona non grata. They are banned from all public venues and transport, and are often subject to weeks of government quarantine.

That all but derailed plans for Liu, who had come to Zhengzhou, the provincial capital of Henan province, to seek redress from a bank that has frozen his deposits. He had put his life savings -- totaling about 6 million yuan ($890,000) -- into a rural bank in Henan, and since April hasn't been able to withdraw a penny.

Over the past two months, thousands of depositors like Liu have been fighting to recover their savings from at least four rural banks in Henan -- in a case that involves billions of dollars. In late May, hundreds of them traveled to Zhengzhou from across China and staged a protest outside the office of the Henan banking regulator to demand their money back -- to no avail.

Another protest was planned for Monday. But as the depositors arrived in Zhengzhou, they were stunned to find that their health codes -- which were green upon departure -- had turned red, according to six who spoke with CNN and social media posts.

Dozens of depositors were taken into a quarantine hotel guarded by police and local officials, before being sent away on trains bound for their hometowns the next day; others were "quarantined" at several other locations in the city, including a college campus, according to the witnesses and online posts.

Depositors accused Zhengzhou authorities of tampering with the health code system to prevent them from returning to the city -- and thus thwarting their plans to fend for their rights.

"The health code should have been used to prevent the spread of the pandemic, but now it has deviated from its original role and become something like a good citizen certificate," said Qiu, a depositor in eastern Jiangsu province.

Qiu, a teacher, had not been to Henan to protest, but his health code also turned red on Sunday evening after he scanned a QR code from Zhengzhou. He said a fellow depositor had shared a photo of the Zhengzhou QR code on the WeChat messaging app, in an attempt to find out whether depositors outside Henan were also affected.

The red code seems to target only depositors. Qiu used his wife's phone to scan the QR code, and it came back green, he said. "I called the government hotline in Zhengzhou to complain about my red code, and they told me there was some error with the Big Data information database."

[Matthew]

Name and shame. Coming to a country near you soon.



China names and shames citizens with a 'D' Social Credit Rating, by displaying their faces, IDs, addresses...on every billboard in the bus (subway/train/plane) for all to see.

This also alerts who you may want to 'stay away' from, lest your social credit score goes down!

https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1665334164323958784

[Franny]

Aman Jabbi, tech entrepreneur and Silicon Valley veteran discusses the social credit system that is already here and ready to go.

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[palehorse]

Found this article today when looking how things are going in Portugal and Spain.

Technocrat says quiet part out loud: A Digital ‘World ID’ will soon be mandatory for anyone who wishes to partake in day-to-day functions of society

Biometric iris scanners being set up throughout Southern Europe; precursor to a global digital ID system being ushered in for citizens around the world whether they ‘like it or not‘ says technocrat CEO of new company that plans to scan the eyeballs of every human on the planet.

Worldcoin is co-founded by Sam Altman, the head of the company Open AI, which is behind the AI-powered chatbot ChapGPT.


Listen what this old whore said

When it’s all in place and no longer “voluntary,” these technologies will be used to create and enforce 15-minute cities, says Christine Anderson, a member of the E.U. Parliament from Germany. Watch her describe how it will work below.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1681913189624160257



ref.: https://leohohmann.com/2023/07/20/technocrat-says-quiet-part-out-loud-a-digital-world-id-will-soon-be-mandatory-for-anyone-who-wishes-to-partake-in-day-to-day-functions-of-society/