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Laurel
5th January 2019, 23:08
Has anyone been to or know anything about the Spirit Vine Ayahuasca Retreat in Brazil? Reviews online are very positive. I am considering booking trip, and am hoping someone might have a little insight into this place.

https://spiritvineretreats.com/

DeDukshyn
5th January 2019, 23:36
Well, I couldn't find any negative info on them, that might say a fair bit actually.

Mike
6th January 2019, 00:59
This type of thing has always appealed to me. The degree to which it is wise or foolish depends largely on luck, I think. You have to get to the retreat in one piece, that's number 1. Second you have to find the right shaman or shamans, which is no easy matter, from what I understand. Third, you have to pray you don't sh!t yourself after a few sips of that funky brew and run off into the inky night playing soccer with imaginary skulls...never to be seen again.

The opportunity for catharsis seems equally balanced by the chance of disaster. I think I'd have to be pretty desperate to truly consider it, which is precisely why I've been truly considering it lately.

I just have this sinking feeling it would be a one way trip for me. Id go insane during a sitting and stay behind, wandering those rustic villiages looking like Tom Hanks from 'Castaway', eating crickets and spiders to stay alive. Over time i'd morph into a Colonel Kurtz type character, and give gentle sounding soliloquies about the merits of madness to my imaginary friends...

But don't let me discourage you.

5th
6th January 2019, 10:09
That's a very pessimistic view Mike! For most people Ayahuasca is the best and easiest route to spiritual awakening and a way of truly seeing the demons within (trauma repressions) that are holding them back in life. In fact, it is exactly these that give rise to your negative view on the matter...

But yes, you need a good shaman or guide and then you have nothing to lose except bad things and everything to gain. I would highlyrecommend it to anyone who feels a calling. Go for it, take that leap of faith into the unknown.

Orobo
6th January 2019, 12:56
Laurel,

I checked out the site and it is well done, both the site and the retreats. This is kind of the pinnacle of modernized ayahuasca use.
If you can spare the money it seems like a safe way to meet the tea.

Seems like this is the place where David Icke got his experiences.

If you are more the adventurous type there are other, less expensive options.
For us western peoples the group sharing is a great way to learn from each other. That the person there has been an experienced psycho-therapist is a nice thing also.

One of the people I met was a brazillian man, psychologist if I am not mistaken, who became enlightened. He has an ashram in India and a centre near Sao Paolo. Where he works with a crossover between the brazillian way and the Indian way. "Path of the Heart" it is called. Lots of westerners visit.

Another path I walked was with Brazillians living in the amazon, who after some years started a cooperation with indians in the forrest. Then you are talking about Rapť (snuff tobacco and ash-mix) and the SapŰ/kambŰ (the heavy frog slime cleansing ritual, non-hallucinogenic)
The more primitive tour that would be.
I visited also the village of the Santo Daime people near Boca de Acre int the amazon, which is another road. More like christian imagery/lore and the vine. This is a real mix, which has little to do, if any, with christendom as a power system.

They are all different ways to harness the possibilities ayahuasca offers. The site you came up with looks definately appealing for westerners.

My take, so far, is that it is a nice crash course to get a kick in da butt and reset on a deep psychological level. Very nice in combination with the physical reset fasting makes possible.

I stopped altogether since the returns deminished. No need to linger. But I am willing to share my experiences.
I am the silent ear on the forum, until there is something can contribute with instead of futureshocking. Keeping it lean and mean so to speak.

PM me if you like, for questions about the process. Or ask me here, for all to see.

Love, O.

Sunny-side-up
6th January 2019, 13:31
Has anyone been to or know anything about the Spirit Vine Ayahuasca Retreat in Brazil? Reviews online are very positive. I am considering booking trip, and am hoping someone might have a little insight into this place.

https://spiritvineretreats.com/


Pun intended ? :)

As long as you trust the Shaman and the rest of the group and try to pair up with some one, to look out for each other.
Wish I was going.
:sun:

Orobo
6th January 2019, 14:54
Sunny,

There are people in the UK doing sessions. but sure, going there is something else.

O.

Mike
6th January 2019, 15:31
That's a very pessimistic view Mike! For most people Ayahuasca is the best and easiest route to spiritual awakening and a way of truly seeing the demons within (trauma repressions) that are holding them back in life. In fact, it is exactly these that give rise to your negative view on the matter...

But yes, you need a good shaman or guide and then you have nothing to lose except bad things and everything to gain. I would highlyrecommend it to anyone who feels a calling. Go for it, take that leap of faith into the unknown.



i agree with you 5th- take the leap of faith! i'm all for it, actually.

my last post was a little tongue in cheek, but i really do have 'what if' fears and all that. but i wouldn''t let them stop me if i had the resources for the trip. i think i'd go thru with it.

as an aside: there is a really cool documentary on netflix called 'the last shaman' - originally brought to my attention by Rachel - about a college age guy who seeks out a shaman as a last resort for his depression and hopelessness. i strongly recommend it. it gives the viewer a realistic look into what the whole process is like

Retief
6th January 2019, 15:58
Laurel,

Last month I attended a weekend retreat at https://www.ayahuascachurches.org/. The program was 3 ceremonies over the weekend. It was a great (although in my case hard) experience and the staff was very professional. As the old saying goes you might not get what you want but you'll get what you need. That was certainly true in my case. I plan on going again sometime in the future. Good fortune in your journey.

Laurel
7th January 2019, 04:47
Thanks to everyone for the fantastic comments and advice! :heart:


Well, I couldn't find any negative info on them, that might say a fair bit actually.


I checked out the site and it is well done, both the site and the retreats. This is kind of the pinnacle of modernized ayahuasca use.
If you can spare the money it seems like a safe way to meet the tea.

Thank you for checking it out. It seems to be about the same price as the retreats in Peru and Ecuador, and about half the price of the one in Costa Rica.

I remember reading a thread awhile back about the ashram in India. It sounds fascinating.



Pun intended ? :)

As long as you trust the Shaman and the rest of the group and try to pair up with some one, to look out for each other.
Wish I was going.
:sun:

LOL!! Nice catch :bigsmile:
The person I was supposed to do this with changed his mind. I would have been nice to have a friend there, but ultimately this is my personal journey.
Youíre more than welcome to join me.


Last month I attended a weekend retreat at https://www.ayahuascachurches.org/. The program was 3 ceremonies over the weekend. It was a great (although in my case hard) experience and the staff was very professional. As the old saying goes you might not get what you want but you'll get what you need. That was certainly true in my case. I plan on going again sometime in the future. Good fortune in your journey.

This isnít quite what Iím looking for at this time, but Iíll keep it in mind for the future. I appreciate the info!


This type of thing has always appealed to me. The degree to which it is wise or foolish depends largely on luck, I think. You have to get to the retreat in one piece, that's number 1. Second you have to find the right shaman or shamans, which is no easy matter, from what I understand. Third, you have to pray you don't sh!t yourself after a few sips of that funky brew and run off into the inky night playing soccer with imaginary skulls...never to be seen again.

The opportunity for catharsis seems equally balanced by the chance of disaster. I think I'd have to be pretty desperate to truly consider it, which is precisely why I've been truly considering it lately.

I just have this sinking feeling it would be a one way trip for me. Id go insane during a sitting and stay behind, wandering those rustic villiages looking like Tom Hanks from 'Castaway', eating crickets and spiders to stay alive. Over time i'd morph into a Colonel Kurtz type character, and give gentle sounding soliloquies about the merits of madness to my imaginary friends...

But don't let me discourage you.

Iíve dipped my toes into the shimmering pool of madness, so falling all the way in or out can only be an improvement. Plus, I hear crickets are crunchy goodness that taste like chicken.

Getting to the retreat could be an upcoming challenge with the unrest in Brazil. The highway near my home in the land of cheese & beer has been completely shut down three times in the past few months due to shootings. Brazil canít be much scarier than driving home from work.

I veered off my path years ago through choices - some good, some that I thought were good - and I feel like a phonograph needle stuck in the groove of Skeleton and Roses. I just need a nudge back onto the vinyl and not fade away. This is a rite of passage I need to make; to face my demons and gaze at the beauty theyíve been hiding.

Morbid
7th January 2019, 12:39
just remember to 'let go'.

AutumnW
7th January 2019, 19:15
That's a very pessimistic view Mike! For most people Ayahuasca is the best and easiest route to spiritual awakening and a way of truly seeing the demons within (trauma repressions) that are holding them back in life. In fact, it is exactly these that give rise to your negative view on the matter...

But yes, you need a good shaman or guide and then you have nothing to lose except bad things and everything to gain. I would highlyrecommend it to anyone who feels a calling. Go for it, take that leap of faith into the unknown.

Your opinion has to be countered, 5th. Approaching a drug with great caution indicates common sense. I'm fascinated with what I read about these trips too but realize that the entire experience is very specific to the individual.

Some people may not be wired mentally or physically for it. Other trippers may encounter shady faux shamans out to make a quick buck.

To infer caution is the result of some kind of subversive force interfering with the mind of the cautious comes across as a new form of fundamentalism, where those who refuse to embrace a god (or drug in this case) are possessed or in league with the devil.

Great that it worked for you and would love to hear more about your experiences though! Will you write about them? :clapping: you psychonaut share a remarkably brave bunch! Exploring what we currently refer to as inner worlds is the future of tourism. And I imagine it will take place in our own homes.